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Post by KalleDemos on Mar 15, 2017 21:21:09 GMT
...For serious?...They REALLY need to hire more gay play testers. Yeah, they should ask for sexuality in their CVs. That sounds like perfectly legal stuff, what could possibly go wrong? Is a company that claims to be an LGBT ally asking actual LGBT's for their input and opinions on their product before release really such a terrible thing?
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Post by KalleDemos on Mar 15, 2017 20:50:54 GMT
They didn't show Suvi turning down a guy in the flirt video. I remember somebody posting a spoiler that they almost made her bi because a male play tester complained. They thought she was still a lesbian, though. Maybe they did go ahead and make her bi, though, who knows. Did they officially confirm Vetra was bi and not lesbian? ...For serious?...They REALLY need to hire more gay play testers.
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Post by KalleDemos on Mar 15, 2017 8:29:07 GMT
For years,I've been a proponent of distinct sexualities for squad mates because of representation and bi-eraser. But I've come to believe that with the addition of non-squad LI that the best way to go is have 4 bi squad mates (2 male, 2 female). Then have the crew members have set sexualities both gay and straight of each gender. I also want to see more non-love interest NPCs be LGBT+. Like you go to a town and a man runs up to Ryder, "Pathfinder, my husband went out exploring and hasn't come beck. I'm worried. Could you look for him?" Then he tells you the general direction where hubby went. You end up finding hubby cornered by a space-bear. Bonus points is if hubby is a Turian. 😄 And maybe you overhear two ladies chatting about how now that the colony's more secure, maybe it's time to have kids. Just thinking of natural ways we could meet LGBT+ NPCs. The ME3 had two conversations you could overhear that had human females with an asari. (The lady talking to he asari lover about telling her husband she's leaving him, and the woman at the human embassy trying to get a visa to send her daughter to her wife's relatives on Thessia.) I think if there were more of these sprinkled out if would do a lot for representation. This. Having LGBT NPCs outside of romance is important representation. I can see many here have played Skyim, which wasn't big on romance in general, but it's 'spin-off', if you want to call it that(Skyrim is actually NOT the only Elder Scrolls game ), Elder Scrolls Online(ESO) has a number of LGB NPCs involved in various quests. I remember this one quest where an ageing Elven man asked me to collect a specific flower for his dying husband. It was touching.
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Post by KalleDemos on Mar 15, 2017 7:55:08 GMT
I am really glad that the Gil thread has come to terms with the character and are excited to romance him. That engineer still needs a bit more time to settle in, as I had my sights set on different LIs for months now, ever since the Funko Pops came out. I was like, "Jaal and Liam are mine." Now, I'll be lucky to get Jaal. I really, really don't want to play a different gender or orientation to get the 3 Romance Achievement, so I hope flings and Reyes will count towards my m/m kingdom. Ugh, this day... But, yay for the happiness here! *claps* I agree, it sucks that gaymers may have to roleplay outside of their orientation in order to get the achievement while straight Scott will not. I've come to the conclusion that the this particular achievement was tailor made for him. Straight Scott has all three women in the squad as options and it's a coincidence that the achievement requires exactly three romances? Why not four? Why shouldn't straight Scott broaden his horizon for the achievement like everyone else? It's really tone deaf how they rub it in our faces. Anyway, I personally have no problem with playing outside of my gender or orientation because I rarely encounter a Bioware character I dislike(that includes Sera fight me) and like to explore the various branches that open up in gameplay via different choices. Morrigan(baby thief) and Solas(arm ripper) are among my favorite romances in the game(Anders is bae) but experiencing romances that I, we, can identify with on a personal level is very important and can be the factor make or break the game for some.
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Post by KalleDemos on Mar 15, 2017 7:32:37 GMT
If I recall it was stated or at least implied that Reyes, along with Jaal, do not appear within the first few hours of the game. Initially we are restricted to one planet. Reyes must be on another one.
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Post by KalleDemos on Mar 15, 2017 0:26:05 GMT
I agree, let the game speak for itself. The marketing is a total disaster but let's not make assumptions until the game is in our hands. If Jaal is bi, or Drack, Kallo, Tiran is a full romance option for male Ryder, I will forgive everything. But if this is not the case, I'm going to be roasting some goddamn nuts. IF Jall is bi and we have Gil whom we can only hope has comparable content then m/m players have two full romance options. Less than everyone else overall. I will not even consider counting Reyes as he isn't a member of the Tempest crew. We are right back at ME3 levels with only one Squad and crew m/m options. At least there are f/f options but I have no intention of forgiving anything. Many of us in the forums have been roiling for a month wondering IF we would have options at all and the big IF is still hanging in the air. It didn't have to go down this way.
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Post by KalleDemos on Mar 14, 2017 20:37:42 GMT
Lol at Gil calling Liam a tool, as if that was going to convince m/m players that he is a better option. That tool has been modelled after a face model, is a squad mate, has a proper full sex scene and has much more (probably better and more carefully made) content. Gil afaik has none of those things. A tool is what the de a think we m/m players are! Hahahaha I think they knew we would be pissed off about this situation but went for it anyway. Making light of it in-game doesn't help and will only sour us further. Perhaps I shouldn't have assumed they would do better than ME3 but this..this is just... 33.media.tumblr.com/ac692cfb82e9997e6e93d1b0f72e1587/tumblr_ngxt36Zsn71smwj1yo1_500.gif
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Post by KalleDemos on Mar 14, 2017 19:26:44 GMT
The Krogan probably.
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Post by KalleDemos on Mar 14, 2017 2:20:21 GMT
I always cheat on Liara for the lolz Same. The one time I didn't find it funny was when you romance Thane and she turns around and brings up his dead wife. My face was like: Liara likes to act all innocent but she really shady af.
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Post by KalleDemos on Mar 14, 2017 0:12:12 GMT
Mass Effect Gaymer @gayme_massAre you able to say at this point whether Jaal is a romance option for both Ryder's at this point 😶??? 🤞🤞🤞 *please* Ian S. Frazier @tibermoonI can't say if he's a romance option *at all* at this point. Gotta stay mum, sorry. 38.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m51wwhV5PN1qh2hv3.gif
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Post by KalleDemos on Mar 13, 2017 22:29:19 GMT
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Post by KalleDemos on Mar 13, 2017 4:21:52 GMT
Yes they do. All of this could have easily been avoided. Edit: And by this I mean backlash and negative criticism. Not threats or harassment. I didn't say they don't deserve criticism. I meant they don't deserve personal attacks and threats. Apologies.
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Post by KalleDemos on Mar 13, 2017 3:56:13 GMT
I understand that. But I'm also concerned about the state this thread and forum will find itself in after the game is released. If the information is accurate then this place will explode when it becomes official knowledge, and the attacks towards devs and other members of the forums will be much worse than the scenario you described. I certainly don't envy the position you and the other mods will be in should that come to pass. Until then I'd simply urge everyone to keep their expectations very low. I mentioned in the Jaal thread that I feel bad for the devs. Regardless of the fact that they may have screwed gay players. They don't deserve the bashing they're gonna get if the leaks are true. No one deserves to be treated like that. Yes they do. All of this could have easily been avoided. Edit: And by this I mean backlash and negative criticism. Not threats or harassment.
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Post by KalleDemos on Mar 12, 2017 18:15:29 GMT
I'm not sure BioWare cares if the romance scenes are unequal because they justify to themselves that they include nudity and or sex for character development (as opposed to pointless titilation), so if a scene is less sexy or risqué they'd just say it was to fit that character better. This makes it difficult to argue that say an m/m scene on the gay character that fades to black and has no animated kissing is not as good as say a pretty revealing sex scene between Scott and Cora with tits out and butts bouncing. But that is another concern/expectation of mine that I am hoping BioWare proves me wrong on: that m/m content will be more prone to fade to black and not feature pixel nudity. Yeah, but they can't justify everything. Fade-to-black sex scenes are only the tip of the ice berg. Like, how are they going to justify all this ( NOTE: if it is true!!!!!) 1. No m/m squadmate 2. No m/m alien romance (after 3 games) 3. Sole gay NPC romance having a CC face 4. M/m sex scenes fading to black 5. Less full romances than other sexualities 6. Sole gay NPC romance not having an integral part in the story (we don't know this, but if you take the CC face and lack of marketing..) They can't justify all of this. Can they? thebrendans.files.wordpress.com/2014/03/lana-kane.gif
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Post by KalleDemos on Mar 12, 2017 17:54:32 GMT
The Krogan will not be doomed because of their altered birth rate. The Genophage was meant to slow their reproduction not eliminate it. Still cruel tho. The Krogan will be doomed because of their violent tendencies and horrible choices. The game hasn't even been released yet and we already know the Krogan are screwing themselves.
We already know that the Krogan have chosen a hostile desert planet low on natural resources to settle on. Um, maybe it would be better to choose a planet where any young Krogan would have a better chance at survival?
We already know that the Krogan have, upon almost immediately arriving to Andromeda, a hostile and unknown frontier, isolated themselves from The Initiative and other Milky Way species. So if the Krogan, through their predictably violent and irrational behavior, piss off the Kett, Angara or another advanced Andromeda species why would the other Milky Way species, who have problems of their own, come to their aid?
If the Krogan go extinct in Andromeda it will be of their own doing, not because of the Genophage.
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Post by KalleDemos on Mar 12, 2017 16:42:49 GMT
kinda impatient to see what the CC can do. show us your custom ryders, reviewers! i never go in intending to create a certain look, but this time, i sooooorta know what i'm going for? Well, a reviewer over in the review codes thread (general discussion section) revealed that he used it to create this abomination: Looks like our options will be extensive. media.giphy.com/media/fgeqfO7oAN0eA/giphy.gif
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Post by KalleDemos on Mar 11, 2017 20:36:25 GMT
This company have to mark a precedent with a m/m trailer first to make me believe that f/f one is targeted to lesbians instead of dudebros. In the meantime I will be a villainous mind every time I think about their marketing A trailer that gets instabanned in huge portions of the world is not a useful marketing tool. It's not right, but EA presumably doesn't want to get dragged into a fight with certain governments. An M/M trailer for something that's not deliberately directed towards the LGBT community is not coming until China (especially China) and India catch up with attitudes towards the LGBT community here in the West. There's a reason there hasn't been a big budget movie with prominent LGBT content where some aspect of the community was not the focus. I'll have to keep an eye on Deadpool 2, this one might be the big break but the big companies are straddling a very careful line here. They can't afford to cater solely to American audiences anymore. EDIT: We can't forget the dudebros and their fragile masculinities here in the West either. BW is in a very difficult position with marketing ATM. They are getting plenty of irate complaints hurled at them certain elements. One side calling them cucked SJW man-hating libtards and the other calling them homophobic, woman-haters. You can see the problem here, right? Oh poor, poor Bioware. Please. They will make money off of this game no matter who individual trailers cater to. Throwing a bone to a loyal fan base that has stuck with them for years is not an unreasonable expectation. You know who's REALLY in a difficult position? Members of marginalized communities that lack representation in various media, who have far more important things to spend their money on like tools needed to defend themselves against their own governments and neighbors, who come to find that one of their few 'allies' have decided that they aren't a priority and can just be shuffled to the side, fed scraps and are expected not to complain.
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Post by KalleDemos on Mar 11, 2017 19:43:42 GMT
Why would they cut it though, especially after hearing that they write the characters first, then assign the romances, and if someone is lacking (basically lgbt folk) then they'll add more characters instead of going back to previous characters and changing their romances. Hard to say. Cutting Thane's bi romance was no excuse imo, but they did it anyways. Solas, Cullen and now Thane. This pattern of cutting the gay side of intended bi romances is really beginning to grate on my nerves. 31.media.tumblr.com/019cba68163025bfb24c2ff4ac522de9/tumblr_ne039xtIMo1tros9go1_500.gif
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Post by KalleDemos on Mar 11, 2017 8:43:41 GMT
Idk why this keeps getting brought up. Cora would make more sense in this statement in the point you're trying to make. Of course there would be backlash because it would be lore breaking for an asari to refuse to get with one gender of a species over another. They don't have that same perception of gender as other species do.
Surely though preferences wouldnt be uncommon??? I mean, the Asari look similar to women, I can imagine an Asari preferring women over men and refusing a man to be honest... it wouldnt exactly be lore breaking???
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Post by KalleDemos on Mar 11, 2017 7:07:36 GMT
I hope that, if Gil is a m/m romance option, that he lives up to your expectations. For me personally tho, even if he is an amazing character that will NOT make up for the lack of m/m options in the Squad. Frankly I find it disturbing how so many of us are even giddy over secondhand options when Bioware has better in their most recent projects. And to everyone who has a problem with Gil or any character having brown skin: images1.tickld.com/live/articles/mrs%20doubtfire%20middle%20finger_e4a8e34430ce7f6b20cad0faa453e547.gif
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Post by KalleDemos on Mar 11, 2017 6:51:44 GMT
I've been carefully listening to Gil's voice in that Tempest video and I'm pretty sure it's the same voice actor who also voiced Gatt from Bull's loyalty mission and Lysas, I believe. I couldn't stand that voice; it was so annoying. That alone is a turn off and I don't personally find Gil's looks appealing at all. So, he's not going to be a romance option for my Ryder, that's for sure. I'm happy for those who feel differently. I just wish we could get to know more characters, like Reyes. Gethin Anthony had some voice work for DAI as well.
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Post by KalleDemos on Mar 11, 2017 6:43:30 GMT
Never played Dragon Age. Why was everyone betting on bi-Cullen?Wasn't there during the release of Dragon Age but from what I've heard: Devs were '' queerbaiting '' and giving hope to gay/bi male fans of Cullen on social media. In the end, Cullen ended up being straight, yet datamining showed that he was at one point supposed to be bisexual. Hell, he is the only straight dude in the game a man can flirt with (and get shut down). And why everyone likes Cullen is, well, he is a very pretty, handsome boy who has been around since the first DA. His romance is sweet and adorkable, and ends up with a marriage and pretty comfy living. Basically an A+ candidate for a gay romance. Solas was intended to be bisexual as well. Of course BOTH of them had the gay side cut. What are the odds. media.giphy.com/media/6IVq9lErsYbEA/giphy.gif
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Post by KalleDemos on Mar 11, 2017 6:24:41 GMT
I just got around to looking into romances for Andromeda after not really following releases for the last year. Can't say I'm not disappointed with how it looks. It's great if other people like Gil's appearance, but I feel the same as the poster that said he looks like a random CC, honestly. IMO, Liam is not only more attractive, but just stands out so much more as a fully fleshed out, unique character model. This is part of why I have very little faith NPCs and their romances will ever be as good as companion romances. Basically just, ugh. I guess I'll just keep hoping until Liam is a definite no, even though he seems like a 99% no. It's just a big let down. I thought after adding Kaidan in ME3 they wouldn't backslide like this. Maybe naive, but I thought one decent m/m companion romance wasn't an unrealistic expectation. i2.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/000/533/709/8ae.gif
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