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Post by KalleDemos on Mar 5, 2017 7:11:11 GMT
Slightly nsfw, it doesn't look like he minds given things like this. Ohhh, he modeled for Andrew Christian. Well, I guess he doesn't hate the gays? His support of the orange one suggest otherwise. No matter how you slice it the support and enabling of Troompa Loompa invites harm to the LGBT community.
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Post by KalleDemos on Mar 5, 2017 6:29:03 GMT
Wayment. The Krogan, known for their issues with reproduction, come along with the Initiative to Andromeda...Pick a desert planet in the back ass end of nowhere and scarce in resources to live on...and now for some reason decide not to trust the Initiative, isolating themselves from all the other races in unknown hostile territory after being in cryo-sleep together for 600+ years when they need each other most? I have a feeling that the Krogan may go extinct in my playthrough... New Tuchanka looks like old Tuchanka but instead of a huge Tresher Maw it has a huge Remnant worm thing. No, the Krogan essentially destroyed Tuchanka in a self inflicted nuclear disaster. The planet was originally lush and crawling with life. Just because the Krogan CAN survive in a wasteland doesn't mean they should try. Considering their declining situation and prospects given the Genophage would it not be more prudent for them to select a planet where any surviving young would be able to thrive? Would it not be in their best interest to maintain ties with known allies while trying to survive in the hostile Andromeda that they no little to nothing about? Since none of this has apparently occurred to the Krogan I can only come to the conclusion that they aren't interested in their own future, so why should I be? Sorry, I didn't mean to rant at you but those are my thoughts.
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Post by KalleDemos on Mar 5, 2017 6:24:49 GMT
Well Iron Bull did have sex with various Inquisitors- and other people without problem. I think Sten had line that it was dangerous, but I'm not sure how literal he was with it. Maybe being careful and have lot of prep would be simply needed. It's not like Qunari are poisonous to others, it's just that they are bit larger and can have more strength. In terms of ME, Mordin did talk to Shepard about compatibility with Tali, Thane and Garrus- there was some things to watch out like getting rash from Thane's skin and hallucinations from his saliva but conclusion was that sex can happen ^^; Asari in other hand can have sex with everyone it appears since their sex is linking nervous systems and minds. In terms of Kallo and Salarians, well they have canonically little to no sex drive, they only have sex for reproduction. So I think romance with Kallo would be one without sex. I guess I have to say that these are from my memory so I didn't check these from sources (even if they have those somewhere). Personally I agree with those who say Sten was just trolling Morrigan when he said that stuff. As for Mass Effect, yeah while some interspecies relationships require some precautions it is possible for them all to have sex with each other. Is it though? I brought up genital diversity on earth alone, imagine the variances in a whole galaxy. Lets take Bedbugs for example. When Bedbugs mate there is no 'traditional' intercourse. The male just walks up and literally stabs a female with his needle penis. Female Bedbugs can actually die if they mate too often. Now lets pretend that there is a Bedbug analog evolving on a planet somewhere and they achieve spaceflight like the Rachni. I don't see humans or Quarians getting it on with alien bedbugs very often. Another less horrible example are Salmon. Salmon practice external fertilization and so their genitals have not evolved for intercourse. Male and Female Salmon swim side by side over a nest, the female lays her eggs and then the male releases his sperm...and then they both die. Lets imagine that there is a Salmon analog on a planet somewhere that evolves and achieves space flight. When they meet up with humans they will have no concept of sexual penetration which to some humans is an integral part of sex. On top of that if they did find a way to have sex with humans via sex compatibility tech they'd also be killing themselves. I don't think even an Ardat-Yakshi would appreciate that. Sex on earth is incredibly diverse and when considering the vast, albeit fictional galaxy of Mass Effect I find it hard to believe that all the species, even the handful we've encountered in gameplay, would all be compatible. Even still I can accept that future tech would overcome SOME barriers.
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Post by KalleDemos on Mar 4, 2017 7:42:15 GMT
I've thought about this and some possibilities may be that:
1. The races of Andromeda have not yet reached the point in which the Reapers like to harvest. 2. The Reapers had not gathered sufficient data on Andromeda before attempting the costly trip and harvest. 3. The races of the Andromeda galaxy are or were too advanced for the Reapers to comfortably challenge them. 4. They have and we just don't know it.
This brainstorm without the benefit of knowing much about the Purple Squid Cobra Cat People, Kett or other sentient races of Andromeda.
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Post by KalleDemos on Mar 4, 2017 7:32:51 GMT
Random thoughts from this video: > Hopefully the whole Nexus upgrades and viability points don't require that you go out of your way to do a bunch of side stuff just for the sake of the critical path, like what happened in DA:I. > Making the Nomad have its own life support system that's affected by the hazards seems like it has the potential to just be a limiter on exploration without being very engaging gameplay. Fast travel points will at least be nice to have. > It seems the Nomad does have a very minor defensive capability in the Emergency Shield Discharge upgrade which causes a shockwave whenever its shields go down. > Most of the environments look great. > It seems only a percentage of people were woken from cryo-stasis, one again suggesting that more things have gone rather wrong for the whole initiative.I don't think anything has gone wrong. It makes sense that they would wait to wake people up in intervals instead of all at once. The Nexus wasn't scheduled to be completed until after the arrival in Andromeda correct? I don't think that, after just arriving in Andromeda that they would have the space and resources to take care of everyone in one huge burst.
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Post by KalleDemos on Mar 4, 2017 7:28:21 GMT
Wayment. The Krogan, known for their issues with reproduction, come along with the Initiative to Andromeda...Pick a desert planet in the back ass end of nowhere and scarce in resources to live on...and now for some reason decide not to trust the Initiative, isolating themselves from all the other races in unknown hostile territory after being in cryo-sleep together for 600+ years when they need each other most? I have a feeling that the Krogan may go extinct in my playthrough...
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Post by KalleDemos on Mar 4, 2017 6:41:00 GMT
No, nothing new romance-wise. Mostly just arguing about various things. Alas. Well, at least arguing is entertaining enough. There has been important and enlightening dialog being exchanged as well.
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Post by KalleDemos on Mar 4, 2017 6:39:36 GMT
The asari were absolutely designed around the concept of the alien space babe. It makes sense, since (correct me if I'm wrong) the original vision for Mass Effect was to create a "classic" Sci-Fi space adventure setting. The Asari were designed as a subversion of the typical trope regarding space babes. Most science fiction franchises had them in subservient roles, like the Orion slave girls or the Twi'leks, where in Mass Effect the asari pretty much run the galaxy. While some aspects of the Asari are problematic I do absolutely love how badass they are.
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Post by KalleDemos on Mar 4, 2017 5:51:11 GMT
Hmmm...Many of us seem to love the idea of cross species romances but I wonder if we shouldn't talk about physical sexual compatibility. Recall that in the Dragon Age series, sex between Qunari and other races is described as not being safe for the non-Qunari. I wonder if the same could be said of various species in the Mass Effect series. On Earth alone there is a wide variety of genital diversity between species. I wonder if even a Human and Salarian or an Asari and Quarian wanted to have sex with each other, would they physically be able to? Or has technology been developed to help partners with non compatible parts find satisfaction? Not to suggest that sex is necessary for a meaningful relationship.
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Post by KalleDemos on Mar 4, 2017 1:44:16 GMT
I'm still holding out hope for 1 of the male squadmates is bi. It just seems unbelievable to me that they would leave out gay men from romancing a squadmate. If this is the case, did they not think they wouldn't get backlash. Did they not care? This is why I'm holding out on hope. Bioware has been paying attention to their fan base and they KNOW that there would be backlash if they were biased in their Squadmate romance diversity. More so if the options were any less than in previous games. I hope they would have stepped forward on the issue but I honestly find it hard to believe that they would have stepped back. Like others have said nothing is 100% yet. We shall see. As to the devs handling of the situation? Fucked. Perhaps marketing has the bulk of the blame here but the manner in which they responded or didn't to one specific fan base is simply galling especially in the context of the #verygoodbanging or whatever hashtag. Not forgetting that anytime soon.
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Post by KalleDemos on Mar 4, 2017 1:23:29 GMT
Let me know if you do get one? I'll friend code you so hard, it'll bruise your mailbox. ❤ Of course! Tho that may be a looong shot. While Dorian's romance can potentially break your heart it looks like his romance will carry over into DA4. There were very strong hints that The Inquisitor may play a role in upcoming games, even if they aren't returning as a playable character. And Dorian has been cemented as part of the overreaching story and will no doubt be featured when we go to Tevinter. So Dorian's romance, while we may not be actively involved in it, will traverse games, just as Solas' and Lavellan's may. Morrigan and Leliana's romance with the Warden didn't exactly carry over as the Warden was absent but I personally consider it to be romance content. An echo if you will. The same with Hawke and their romance. Every romance from DAO but Zevran was "an echo" (Zev, out of them all, is actually with warden), but they all hope for a reunion. It's hard to bring Gray Warden back since they had no voice, 3 race options and tons of possible outcomes. So, maybe in DA4 we'll get a letter with Leliana/Morri/Alistair's reunion with them if they are not present in game? And to think about Hawke, I wouldn't drag my loved one with me too in that situation (and Hawke actually has well-reasoned explanation for every LI). But it is mentioned that they are still together and happy. I really don't know what to think about DA4 at this point. Everything they revealed so far seems to be about Tevinter, and Dorian looks like an important person there by the end of Trespasser. Considering they need to include options for: a) Dorian with no romance and no Bull; Dorian with Inquisitior; c) Dorian with Bull... Too much work. Probably another letter, or 1-quest-screentime for the inquisitor. Or a mere mention. And that's me being optimistic. There were no actual hints of Inquisitor being present in-game, only overreaching about their maybes. There are inquisitors who are living happily in Antiva with Josie, who are living simple life with Cullen. There was an option to say "nope outta here, I'm too tired, never again" at the end. It will be hard to bring them back as a character, way harder than Hawke, who ultimately had one ending. Easier than warden, but still. I think that regardless of the Inquisitor's romance or specific location during the epilogue Trespasser confirmed that at some point in the future He/She/They will make an effort to stop Solas. It was made very obvious to me at least that at some point the Inquisitor and their forces will make their way to Tevinter and playable characters or no this will open up the opportunity for various reunions. I also think that DA4 will take place not only in Tevinter but in the neighboring Anderfels as well. If Hawke is still there and involved in whatever the mess the Wardens have cooked up this opens up the opportunity for DA2 romance reunions as well. Several quotes from Varric in DA:I gave me a very strong impression that this is where the story is headed. The lack of a voice actor has never been a legitimate reason for the Warden to not return in my opinion. Anyway I hope that some of this happens over the course of the next few games.
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Post by KalleDemos on Mar 3, 2017 22:56:05 GMT
Pfft... Jaal is gonna break our hearts. Female gamers always get screwed over. Liam is a safer bet imo. To be fair, Dorian, Anders, and Iron Bull can break some hearts too, and they're all m/m options. While Dorian's romance can potentially break your heart it looks like his romance will carry over into DA4. There were very strong hints that The Inquisitor may play a role in upcoming games, even if they aren't returning as a playable character. And Dorian has been cemented as part of the overreaching story and will no doubt be featured when we go to Tevinter. So Dorian's romance, while we may not be actively involved in it, will traverse games, just as Solas' and Lavellan's may. Morrigan and Leliana's romance with the Warden didn't exactly carry over as the Warden was absent but I personally consider it to be romance content. An echo if you will. The same with Hawke and their romance.
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Post by KalleDemos on Mar 3, 2017 22:48:56 GMT
To be fair, Dorian, Anders, and Iron Bull can break some hearts too, and they're all m/m options. So can Zevran, when you play DA2 and HE CHEATS ON YOU BECAUSE THEY NEVER FIXED THAT BUG And Kaiden can die even before ME3 and again during ME3 before the romance content kicks in depending on our decisions. And the romance ends tragically in most possible outcomes, though that goes for all of them as well.
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Post by KalleDemos on Mar 3, 2017 22:11:52 GMT
Yep, I really hate it when people use "realism" argument when it comes to lgbt content. People are willing to ignore other unrealistic in ME series, but when we ask for more lgbt content, it's almost as if the existence of lgbt people offends them. Indeed. People screaming "UNREALISTIC!!!" at the thought of numerous characters in a video game liking the same sex has always been a completely absurd argument to me. Complain about the lack of LGBT content and you get responses like, "Well, I know it sucks for you, but you have to remember that the devs are striving for realism here!" Meanwhile, Sara is bumping uglies with a purple squid cobra cat man and nobody cares. HA HA!!! Jaal will now forever be known to me as 'Purple Squid Cobra Cat Man'.
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Post by KalleDemos on Mar 3, 2017 21:52:47 GMT
Is it just me or has the same discussion been going on for 100+ pages now? Bioware tries to make realistic people, and sometimes that means that a character you like won't return your affection - which sucks, I understand. I am not saying that their shouldn't be as many gay romances as straight ones or that what you want is wrong (personally I completely understand), but I feel bad for Bioware because this is something they can't win. The only way to make everyone happy is to make every romance player-sexual - like in DA II. Personally I am completely fine with this, but I also saw the uproar it caused when all in DA II were romancable by both genders. No matter what they do, someone will be dissapointed, outraged or feel stepped on. The only way to avoid this is by having a "will you allow same-sex relationships?" button, and I don't see anyone responding well to that idea. To me, the issue isn't that some people won't return my gay Scott's affection. It's that consistently, gay male PC's have gotten less options and/or less prominent options. I'm fine with them making characters with pre-determined sexualities. In fact, I prefer it. My issue is when they seem to follow the same old patterns and the same group(s) seem to be on the receiving end of the less desirable options. Female character with the strongest plot connection? Always available to straight guys (Bastila, Dawn Star, Morrigan, Miranda, Cassandra, Cora, every plot relevant female companion in SWTOR), sometimes bisexual (Liara, Isabela) Male character with the strongest plot connection? Always straight ( maybe you could argue that Anders played this role in DA2) Starting female squadmate/companion (i.e. in the group the longest and always mandatory recruitment)? Almost always available to only straight guys (Dawn Star, Ashley, Morrigan, Miranda, Cassandra) - Aveline is the notable exception, because she's not an LI Starting male squadmate/companion? Almost always available to only straight gals (Carth, Kaidan in ME, Alistair, Jacob, Solas, Liam [likely]) It's just an unfortunate trend and there's no reason why people can't call it out. Why can't Liam be gay? Why can't Cora be a lesbian? They could but it's never happened and that's the issue. Not that characters have set sexualities. img.pandawhale.com/95471-renly-clapping-gif-Imgur-Yy5I.gif
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Post by KalleDemos on Mar 3, 2017 9:34:06 GMT
First, none of the sexualities has been confirmed for any of the characters that are being teased, so I don't know where you're getting the assumption that it has to be m/f or f/f. The people who are asking about m/m wants to know which characters that are available to them. Teasing about sexy time doesn't equal their gender preference. Second, the last game that came out had some great NPCs with some really good romance arc. Plus, if I remember correctly, M/f and F/f had one companion romance while M/m had two of them. With F/m having the most romance available as companion. Bioware has already stated countless time that the NPCs onboard the Tempest have just as content as the Squad member. Even some of the articles that came out praised the Npc onboard the Tempest. But, you guys are all adults with mind of y'all own. Keep thinking Bioware is personally attacking you, when they've been making LGBT characters just as important as the straight characters. Companion wise, Still hope you guys can at least get Jaal. I feel like I keep coming back to this point in this thread, and because I have responded to it multiple times, I feel that I have enough experience talking about the issue to try to simplify and clarify my position here.
When considering romance content, there is a difference between quantity, quality, and kind. NPC romances can have the same quantity of content as squad romances. NPC romances can have the same quality of content as squad romances. But NPC romances cannot have the same kind of content as squad romances.
As has been said before, there are certain kinds of events and interactions that can only take place in the field, and there is a certain level of depth of relationship that can only be developed through the constant contact that being a member of the squad can provide. Banter, reactions, and the sheer force of physical presence are, with few and limited exceptions, within the sole domain of squadmates, and, as such, can only be used as tools to develop a romantic arc with those squadmates. NPCs might get a few lines of dialogue spoken in the player's ear sprinkled throughout the game, but there is simply no comparison between the weight of interaction that NPCs have in the field when held against squadmates.
I hope that everyone gets at least one squad romance option. I hope the pessimism that I've seen in this thread turns out to be unwarranted. I want everyone to be fairly treated, and I want everyone to be happy with what the game presents them.
But the reality is that the marketing and developer comments have not come across as understanding of the concerns that have been raised in this thread. It took us two full games of drought before m/m options were even a possibility for Shepard, and while it would be disappointing if there was no m/m option for Ryder on the squad in Andromeda, it would not be a surprise.
Okay, now... /rant off
That was a bit longer than I expected. Time for happy hopeful thoughts.
I absolutely love when people who have no idea what we're experiencing interject to tell us how we should feel and what we should be happy with.
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Post by KalleDemos on Mar 2, 2017 13:48:51 GMT
But not showing/promoting them doesn't mean they're not important. Joker, Adams, Chocolates, Gabby&Kent were fan favorites, let's add similar characters with more content. The names you mentioned are the results and probably there are others like them. Gil confirmed, Suvi semi-confirmed, Lexi is hope-LI and after the success of DAI I don't think they are just sideline romances. They have always improved on the squad/crew interactions. ME1 long elevator rides and walkuptothem cutcenes. ->Add Kelly to signal when they have important things to say. Still had about 25 chats with Garrus about calibrations.->ME3 talk if there is something new, 'hi' if there isn't. I think they'll do the same in MEA with more DAI like casual chats (Josie and the chantry)/interactions (Cullen and chess). Both for LIs and non-LIs. I think everyone on the Tempest is an important part of the crew and story, no one will be there to just 'be there'. This is a smaller and ~civilian ship no need for guards to stand at a door or nameless grunts walking around in circles. I like your optimism, but I'll believe it when I see it. I still doubt that the other crew member romance will have equal quantity, quality, and plot importance to those that squad mates have. I could not see how, say, Gil will be as important as Jaal. And even if they are equal, I still very much prefer squad mate romance. I like the idea of spending time fighting and exploring along side with an LI. I would be quite upset if straight dudes get more than one squad mate romances (which seem to be the case), while there are no m/m squad romance. Bioware has promised variety in romance, and I expect that they deliver such variety not only just for straight guys but to all. This. Even IF the amount of content is equal, which I can't see how it could be, the dynamics are completely different. Squad Mates, Companions will always be held to a higher standard than the rest of the cast because we will spend most of out time with them. Intentionally excluding m/m romances from that standard would be a huge step backwards and discriminatory. I for one will not be praising Bioware should the leaks turn out to be accurate. media.giphy.com/media/b4pPnoO1QDd1C/giphy.gif
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Post by KalleDemos on Mar 2, 2017 12:57:26 GMT
Aaryn Flynn aarynflynn I might be in love with Jaal
Choose Wisely @_choosewisely_ Come on! Jaal can't be serious...
Aaryn Flynn aarynflynn At the very least, I'm Jaal-ing for him, hard...
Shane Ryan @shanegerardryan Is it the smooth talking or the smooth moves?
Aaryn Flynn aarynflynn so smooth in all the ways media.giphy.com/media/12dA9Gei6U4in6/giphy.gif
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Post by KalleDemos on Mar 2, 2017 2:09:50 GMT
Those are general markers not absolutes. There are a number of Asari we meet throughout the series that defy these markers. Voyaging into the unknown frontier of the Andromeda galaxy doesn't exactly fit the 'Matron' mold.
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Post by KalleDemos on Mar 2, 2017 1:26:05 GMT
I am not giving up hope just yet. Until the game is out or Bioware themselves deny it, I will still believe that at least three of Liam, Jaal, Gil, and Reyes will be m/m options. As well you should keep believing. I've watched some people change their stories on the leaks, so I am taking what they say as rumor and speculation. I've said it before in other threads, but people should not take these rumors as facts; if the leaks aren't true, then a lot of people got worked up/had mental breakdowns/spazzed the hell out, etc. for no reason whatsoever. We haven't heard anything officially, and I would like to think that Bioware has kept going forward on inclusiveness in their games. At this point, we can only cross our fingers and hope. True. Nothing is confirmed yet. Even if it turns out to be completely untrue the devs reaction to our inquiries and concerns should not just be brushed off. The bias in their responses ,or lack there of, to m/f and m/m questions from fans is deplorable.
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Post by KalleDemos on Mar 1, 2017 23:58:09 GMT
Yup, and said person who holds such dumb and dated views on such things is the creative director of the game, and clearly seems to have had a lot of influence too if these leaks are true, and also just look at how everywhere you go its Peebee Peebee Peebee And until today, the only special voice actor videos were the two asari ones, Peebee and Lexi, both with Mac present, cause he just has to make sure there are asari in every shot, like feet in Tarantino films I think I'd be more into asari love interests, personally, if they weren't all so damn young (like Samara would have been fantastic as a romance option if she had more content that isn't gated to DLC). But, yeah, they're essentially the "fan service" race, and it's always been pretty clear that they're not so much designed for LGBT women as for straight men into alien space babes. Someone stated that Dr. Lexi is over 200 years old.
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