Bad Weapon Showdown 3-D: Raptor Vs. Scimitar!

While Scimitars mounted at possessed kittens can be dangerous...



... this Raptor has a hat.



Raptor seems clearly superior to me.

I vote Scimitar. Mostly because it's easier to use since you don't have to scope. A good choice for, as you said, a melee oriented class to help with some stagger or to quickly help taking down something that your melee didn't finish. Raptor is just... Hard to use. But it's base damage is higher (scoped).

For the record, when I modded Scimitar damage from 45 to 70  (still less than Eviscerator, sitting at 80, Wraith at 150) it became a very, very powerful gun. Since it fires twice as fast as Evi and Wraith, it basically equaled the dps of Wraith. In my latest version it's at 65 and I absolutely love this gun now. The question you need to answer is: do I want more burst per single shot to one-shot mooks, or more adaptable dps over time.

But in terms of raw dps Raptor might be better since it's base damage is 107 and a higher RoF, but... It's Raptor.

The raptor is quite good on a caster (or a GI). Good primer, lightweight, pre-dlc, decent damage, built-in scope. Here's a video I did dome time ago to showcase it on a human engineer.


Wheras the scimitar has nothing to save it, everything about it sucks, if you just want an omni-blade carrier go disciple, it does everything a zillion times better.

Ouch, that is a tough one as I have no patience for either of those guns . So I´ll just cheat my way out of it by choosing an omniblade Scimitar on a melee character, most likely Krosent or Warlord  . 

Scimitar for sure! (my avatar may give it away..)

Turian solider with it is a beauty, specially on smaller maps, debuffing with proximity mine, with right ammo (incendiary or ammo piercing) shoots very fast as Qui mentioned easy for head shots so great to take out smaller enemies, larger are manageable.

I cannot see much of an improvement equipping the Raptor on the Tsol. I cannot click faster than maybe 600 rpm if I super concentrate on that (clicking plus aiming? yeah, not happening) and the Raptor already has a maximum 550 RPM so it's pointless to me. The stability bonus is quite useless too since the gun is pretty low recoil and has a very good and very fast recover, you don't even have to compensate.

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They are both quite terrible compared to, well, anything else. But if I absolutely must choose, it'll be the Raptor. The Scimitar is a gun not mean to kill, so you're supposed to use it on casters, but then again you cannot mount a power amp on it as you can on SMGs or Pistols that could do way more damage. The only thing you could do is going for a melee build and equip the bayonet. But I for one like a bit more firepower on my gun even for melee builds, just in case.
Raptor's damage is 107. To give you an idea the Phalanx is 143, and the Phalanx is quite crap as a "killing" pistol. A Cerberus Assault Trooper has 1125 health on Bronze/Silver, to kill just one it'll take about 10 shots (less if headshots, but still). Gun has a 15 round mag, so you wont even kill 2 before reloading on Bronze/Silver ! And that's just for a basic Trooper.

Scimitar's damage is 44. Although I don't know if it's 44 per pellet or 44 total, we can all agree that it sucks balls.

I actually moded my Raptor to deal 307 damage and tested it yesterday for "science". Now that's way more useful, it feels like a proper low damage fast firing SR rather than a painful pew-pew underwhelming gun.

So I tried out the Scimitar, today. Never again.

Before I grew a brain I loved the raptor in the single layer game. The problem with the Raptor is that after a match I end up with a twisted deformed claw with carpal tunnal wherein I used to have a functioning hand.

you guys need to train more, use mattock or raptor and you can get these results in no time

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I like the Raptor just fine in Gold. I like the lower-powered scope, and the trigger-spamming doesn't bother me, though it gets a bit tiring after a couple of games. Certainly benefits from level IV ammo though.

The Raptor is also the weapon I was using in my one successful Silver solo.

(Aside: in a Glacier/Reapers/Gold game a while ago, I came close to outscoring a Harrier TGI while playing as Raptor QFI. The only reason I didn't was that the TGI player nuked objective waves and W11).

Scimitar is okay in Silver, I quite like it there actually on a THavoc. I did try it in Gold on an AIU and it was lacklustre even on her.

Both guns suffer from this quite a lot.
Indra and Valiant both render the Raptor almost obsolete, while Disciple Piranha and Wraith do the same to the Scimitar as you mentioned.

Still, they can be made usable on gold if you're determined to use them regardless of the fact better options exist.


The Raptor doesn't really benefit from RoF accuracy or stability boosts, boosting the RoF just increases finger strain which ends up being counterproductive and the others are fine anyway.
It needs extra damage output.
Either dump it on a caster to add power DPS or put it on an infiltrator/HSol to boost the gun's DPS.
Or better yet, do both.

Drell assassin murders stuff with the raptor nicely as GruntKitterhand  mentioned earlier.
Of course, the assassin can murder just about anything or anyone he wants with nothing more than a toothpick, so that's not really saying much.


Scimitar can be good with RoF and accuracy boosts, but those RoF kits would perform twice as well with a Piranha every single time.
In my experience the Scimitar's 2 small advantages over the Piranha are slightly lower weight and slightly better ammo application, so I used it solely and specifically as an ammo applicator on power spamming kits.

Cryo builds such as the concussive shot HSol are a good example.