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Post by Heimdall on May 13, 2017 14:30:06 GMT

I oppose it if it would limit race choice.

And as long as I can choose my own name.

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Post by Gilli on May 13, 2017 16:09:59 GMT

May 13, 2017 0:21:59 GMT Nightscrawl said:

May 12, 2017 23:24:16 GMT Gilli said:

The only thing I want, is that your LI stops using "Sie" in the german dub when talking to you.
"Sie" is the formal you, which is used when you talk to someone who you're not on first name basis with (boss, co-worker, stranger, a teacher etc). I hate it when it's used between people who are clearly in a relationship.

It feels so impersonal. The personal you would be "Du" which is used between friends and family (and co-workers if you're on first name basis)

So far I heard the "Du" being used between:
Hawke and family
and...that's it... :mellow:

Of course I don't want them to just address you with "Du" from the beginning, but maybe when you reach a specific point in a friendship. Like for example dealing with Dorian's Father, or doing Cassandra's quest about the Seekers. At least your LI should (when you're locked in) call you "Du" in personal conversations. (When I played ME2 I had a conversation with Thane and he said "Du bist mein bester Freund." (You are my best friend) and I was SO happy he addressed my Shepard with Du and not Sie. QwQ It was only one line, but still.)

I know, this thread is about first names, but the "Sie" feels more impersonal to me, then getting called by a title. :-/

You have to consider that most conversations, outside of specific romance scenes, are used for both friend/romance and non-friend/non-romance. Having to record the line multiple times takes additional resources.

I can only think of one example right now where the PC is addressed with "you," where relationship status changes. After Adamant and The Fade, Dorian asks the Inquisitor, "Are you all right?"

Now, you can be friends with Dorian. You can be romance partners with Dorian. You can also be non-friends and have low approval. The line is recorded once and used for all three. While it would be nice for him to say, "Are you all right, amatus?" (along with the informal "you" in German) to a lover, for him to only use the informal "you" to a friend, and for him to use the formal "you" to a non-friend, they're not going to commit that many resources to such variation.

However, scenes that are romance specific I definitely agree should have those sorts of things accounted for in different languages.

Yeah, I agree. That actually came to my mind after already had posted my post and laid in my bed. :facepalm:

I'd be okay if they'd only use the informal you in romance specific scenes, or in romance banter.

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Post by dragontartare on May 14, 2017 0:12:47 GMT

I like the way they handled this in MEA, actually. I played the preview with "Emily" Ryder, but then started again with the default name, and I really like other characters calling her Sara, especially the LI. I think it's important to let people pick a custom first name, but having other characters use the default first name for players who keep it is a nice feature.

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Post by doflamingodonquijote on May 14, 2017 0:38:19 GMT

I've never liked the protagonists being called only by their titles.
It makes them bland and generic. Better one race done well than 100 shallow protagonists added just for the sake of race selection.

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Would you be against a named main character in the next game May 23, 2017 17:35:25 GMT

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Post by monuhm on May 23, 2017 17:35:25 GMT

I wish they would do a name library.....I can imagine how annoying and tedious it would be....but it was such a nice touch with Fallout 4 when I played that....I like naming my characters and it's never been a negative for the experience truly, but I always did wish that the first name would be said....

Even if they provided us with a list of names to pick from (granted that would still have to be quite a long list) I would be pleased with that...

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Post by Sylvius the Mad on May 23, 2017 19:24:52 GMT

I still object to the assigned surname. I don't think the devs should decide anything at all about our characters.

I really like how NWN handled names. The %CHARNAME% variable was sometimes inserted into subtitles, but the voiced lines avoided it. I understand this creates some localization issues, however, so I'd rather they just left the name out of dialogue entirely.

For romances, they could use subplot-relevant pet names, where the NPC addresses the protagonist by a nickname that would have been earned as a previous part of the romance quest-line.

I certainly don't want a mandatory name. I am indifferent to an optional assigned name like MEA, because I'm confident I would never use it unless by some chance they managed to choose a name I would have chosen (which strikes me as highly unlikely).

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Post by Blaze on May 25, 2017 6:43:43 GMT

well in andromeda the first name for the protagonist ony in effect if you kept the default name, otherwise they call you by family name or title only. so yeah it's nice to have a firt name and if you don't want default than it's like any other game where you don't being called by first name. so basicly, no harm no foul, since it wasn't forced.

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Post by B. Hieronymus Da on May 25, 2017 7:23:32 GMT

Yes. - Absolutely!

It goes against the reasons I play these games in the first place. Just like voiced PC and dialogue wheel.

You get yet another mindless, formulaic action-killfest with very little wiggle-room. Is it enough to serve a story on the side?
More an afterthought than the Multiplayer? If that is the game that a large audience wants, well then, good luck and all the power to EA, ME and DA. But goodbye.

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Post by Melcara on May 25, 2017 11:04:57 GMT

May 23, 2017 19:24:52 GMT Sylvius the Mad said:

I still object to the assigned surname. I don't think the devs should decide anything at all about our characters.

I really like how NWN handled names. The %CHARNAME% variable was sometimes inserted into subtitles, but the voiced lines avoided it. I understand this creates some localization issues, however, so I'd rather they just left the name out of dialogue entirely.

For romances, they could use subplot-relevant pet names, where the NPC addresses the protagonist by a nickname that would have been earned as a previous part of the romance quest-line.

I certainly don't want a mandatory name. I am indifferent to an optional assigned name like MEA, because I'm confident I would never use it unless by some chance they managed to choose a name I would have chosen (which strikes me as highly unlikely).

Well, character's have to refer to you somehow. Would you rather have it so that they constantly call you "Inquisitor, Inquisitor, Inquisitor"?

That would be really awkward. Especially the romance scenes.

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Post by Melcara on May 25, 2017 11:08:10 GMT

I don't think that most people replying in this thread understood the proposition here. It would be handled the way it was in MEA. You would still be able to call your character whatever the heck you want, but if you picked the default name, characters will refer to you that way in the game. You wouldn't lose anything.

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Post by shechinah on May 25, 2017 12:10:20 GMT

May 25, 2017 11:04:57 GMT Melcara said:

May 23, 2017 19:24:52 GMT Sylvius the Mad said:

Well, character's have to refer to you somehow. Would you rather have it so that they constantly call you "Inquisitor, Inquisitor, Inquisitor"?

That would be really awkward. Especially the romance scenes.

Like Sylvius the Mad says, they can use nicknames and terms of endearment. This has been seen before in Bioware games.

As an example of a term of endearment: Solas refers to a romanced Lavellan as vhenan which is elvhen for heart.

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Post by Melcara on May 25, 2017 13:10:19 GMT

May 25, 2017 12:10:20 GMT shechinah said:

May 25, 2017 11:04:57 GMT Melcara said:

Well, character's have to refer to you somehow. Would you rather have it so that they constantly call you "Inquisitor, Inquisitor, Inquisitor"?

That would be really awkward. Especially the romance scenes.

Like Sylvius the Mad says, they can use nicknames and terms of endearment. This has been seen before in Bioware games.

As an example of a term of endearment: Solas refers to a romanced Lavellan as vhenan which is elvhen for heart.

Okay, fine. But there are still NPC's outside of the romances - not every one of them is going to have a nickname for your character. Hearing your title all the time gets old after a while.

Maybe it's just my preference, but I like the way they implemented the surnames into DAI. It felt more personal to me that way.

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May 23, 2017 17:35:25 GMT monuhm said:

I wish they would do a name library.....I can imagine how annoying and tedious it would be....but it was such a nice touch with Fallout 4 when I played that....I like naming my characters and it's never been a negative for the experience truly, but I always did wish that the first name would be said....

Even if they provided us with a list of names to pick from (granted that would still have to be quite a long list) I would be pleased with that...

Heh, my names are all non standard, so that's a waste of resources imo. I understand why they have the iconic name for the main char, and understand why it would be voiced, but I don't get the library, because I just don't normally play with common names. It's one thing I seek to leave behind in the Real World when I do my happy escapism.

overall, I am for once with Sylvius, because I am sad that they stoped using the unvoiced name you gave your character in subtitles.

so, if I was to strike a name deal with Bio, I'd accept the voiced "official" name for those who like a fixed protagonist if I can see my unvoiced one in the text and over my char avatar's head.

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Post by formerfiend on May 25, 2017 15:53:10 GMT

Yeah, I can't imagine them doing a Fallout 4 style name library - which, while a great and appreciated addition to the game, let's not forget was only used by one character.

Largely because as a fantasy game there's such a wider berth of weird, obscure, and archaic names that players are likely to choose from. Especially when we consider different playable races and all the weird names people could pick for dwarves/elves/qunari. I could see them doing it for a Mass Effect game because they are only ever going to let us play as humans in ME and it's more reasonable that they could limit it to a selection of popular real world modern day names. But it isn't something I could see them doing for DA.

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Post by shechinah on May 25, 2017 16:01:59 GMT

May 25, 2017 15:53:10 GMT formerfiend said:

Yeah, I can't imagine them doing a Fallout 4 style name library - which, while a great and appreciated addition to the game, let's not forget was only used by one character.

Largely because as a fantasy game there's such a wider berth of weird, obscure, and archaic names that players are likely to choose from. Especially when we consider different playable races and all the weird names people could pick for dwarves/elves/qunari. I could see them doing it for a Mass Effect game because they are only ever going to let us play as humans in ME and it's more reasonable that they could limit it to a selection of popular real world modern day names. But it isn't something I could see them doing for DA.

That's why I don't see a name library as being doable for Bioware games in a way that feels like it matters. You have so many more interpersonal conversations amongst other things. It's a neat idea but not one I think could be implemented in a worthwhile manner. In Dragon Age, you'd need so many different names. Not to mention in the case of multiple races since most of the races have different kinds of names: the dwarves, the qunari, the human and the elves.

Again, neat idea but not one that I could see implemented in a worthwhile manner.

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Post by shechinah on May 25, 2017 16:04:12 GMT

May 25, 2017 13:10:19 GMT Melcara said:

May 25, 2017 12:10:20 GMT shechinah said:

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Okay, fine. But there are still NPC's outside of the romances - not every one of them is going to have a nickname for your character. Hearing your title all the time gets old after a while.

Maybe it's just my preference, but I like the way they implemented the surnames into DAI. It felt more personal to me that way.

I think surnames are a fine inclusion. I like the idea of a blend between surname, term of endearment, title and nickname especially when the title was accompanied by the surname like during Vivienne's soiree and the Winter Ball.

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Post by Felya87 on May 25, 2017 16:24:26 GMT

I would hate not having the chance to give my character the name I want.
First, I make more than one character: giving them different names make me disitinguish better the saves and the story I want to play with them.
Second, I love give my characters names, expecially from LotR: in DAI, a part from Zula (my Qunari mage) all my characters had a name from Sindarin and all had a meaning: Darel (to stop, impede something), Gwath (shadow), Amrod (nomad), Maethorn (warrior) Tithen (little, small).
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May 25, 2017 11:04:57 GMT Melcara said:

Well, character's have to refer to you somehow. Would you rather have it so that they constantly call you "Inquisitor, Inquisitor, Inquisitor"?

That would be really awkward. Especially the romance scenes.

I did specify an alternative for romances.

Also, I don't find real-world conversations involve people addressing each other by name, much. And with the cinematics available to direct focus, I expect it would rarely be necessary.

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Post by KaiserShep on May 25, 2017 22:27:17 GMT

I was reluctant to bother keeping the default name in MEA, but after a while, I became rather fond of characters actually being able to be totally informal without always simply using the title or last name. Sera sort of worked around this in Inquisition with the use of randomly selected nicknames, but hearing the first name somehow made the protag seem a bit more like an actual person.

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