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Post by ZaudStorm™ on May 11, 2017 19:26:17 GMT
I say EVERYONE. (i) EA at the most by providing shitty deadlines, providing the responsibility of such a huge IP to an inexperienced team (BW Montréal) and outsourcing various animations to smaller companies. (ii) BioWare since they had 5 FuKIN YEARS to deliver a fresh new experience and yet they didn't deliver upto the expectations of the Mass Effect series. (iii) Intolerant Fans who would crucify BioWare for the slightest mistake ever since Mass Effect 3's ending. (iv) SJWs are one of the worst, wouldn't say the entirety of BioWare worships them but guys like Manveer Heir at the office definitely influenced a lot. (v) Most Haters who haven't even played the game but is already prepared to put MEA and BioWare on guillotine for no reason since it's a 2017 gaming trend.
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Post by Pearl on May 11, 2017 19:35:18 GMT
oh boy it's time to point fingers instead of engage in critical thinking
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Post by liquidsnake on May 11, 2017 20:00:51 GMT
If anyone has seen me post before, they know I'm a big fan of this game. However, this post, in my opinion, is going to take a critical look that will be as objective as I can. That being say, there is blame to be shared by everyone I'd say, but one party stands out far more than others..
Bioware launched an unfinished product that should have stayed in development for at least several more months. If reports are true that they outsourced the animations of characters, they, as a professional game developer with many AAA and highly rated titles under their belt, had the responsibility to play-test and ensure everything was running smoothly. Bugs and glitches in games are, sadly, just a part of the gaming industry. However, the amount of bugs reported by Andromeda, many of which I didn't experience myself but don't doubt they existed, should not occur. The animations should NEVER have been shipped pre-patch 1.05. Again, I had the benefit of not picking up the title until the day that patched was released. They launched an incomplete, buggy product. That's where mass criticism has come in and hurt this game's launch and that lays on their door step.
EA, as the parent company, also plays a part in this as well. Their unrealistic timetables and high pressure, as well as taking away creative freedom of their developers seems to stifle growth and innovation. Their focus on streamlined, "simple" games that are churned out like clockwork with heavy focus on multiplayer components has not done the industry any favors. I don't work for either company, but if reports I've read online (we know how reliable they can be) EA can be a nightmare to work for. Bottom line - they care about money. Not fans. Not good stories. Not even good games. They care how many copies they can push. They are certainly to blame.
Haters are absolutely part of the problem. The amount of people that have bashed this game everywhere from Facebook, to gaming article comments to blogs to.. frankly, everywhere and have NOT EVEN PLAYED THE GAME is astonishing. Many of these people either jumped on the bandwagon of hate or they are simply bitter still over the ME3 endings and quick to jump on anything that hates Mass Effect. There are plenty of people who enjoy the game, myself included, who are drowned out by the people who scream from the roof tops that they hate the game, many of whom only watched a video on Youtube or saw a meme.
However, all that being said, there wouldn't be a negative pushback, even by the mass of haters out there, for no reason if the game was solid at launch. Despite my love for this title, I must say that the blame for ME being put on the shelf, if the reports are true, can't be placed anywhere other than the developer who created it. EA's crunch time might be overkill. Maybe they gave no quarter to Bioware for extra time to fix the problems. However, Bioware dropped the ball with the release of a buggy, poorly animated game to people both overly hyped for the game and eager for any scrape to see them fail. Unfortunately, I have to be objective. The initial launch was awful. I don't think pushback would have been nearly as bad if the game had launched with patch 1.05 to fix the animations... or even if they had just animated the game in-house... or even CHECKED to see if it was properly animated. However, that's in the past. They launched it like they did and the blame for that falls at their feet.
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Post by KaiserShep on May 11, 2017 20:05:35 GMT
If you were to add "your mom" to the poll, I wonder how many people would pick it.
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Post by themikefest on May 11, 2017 20:06:42 GMT
you do not know them, and there's not enough time to explain EA/Bioware
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Post by helios969 on May 11, 2017 20:09:37 GMT
I was tempted to say EA because of that weak ass budget, but there's plenty of blame all around.
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Post by kumazan on May 11, 2017 20:10:15 GMT
No one other than those who put the game on hiatus can be held accountable, it's pretty basic. As much as I think this game has gotten an extremely unfair treatment, there are several legitimate gripes to have with ME:A, and it's EA/BioWare themselves who don't have much faith on turning the odds if their kneejerk reaction is to shelve ME.
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Post by Rivercurse on May 11, 2017 20:11:07 GMT
If you were to add "your mom" to the poll, I wonder how many people would pick it. Your mom would.
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Post by projectpatdc on May 11, 2017 20:18:04 GMT
I would say EA's strict deadline to have the game's revenue count for last year's fiscal year is what lead to most of the issues. The story and characters are subjective as many people like it so you can't blame Bioware there.
Mostly, I blame the entitled, over-dramatic fan base as the game's great aspects far outweigh its flaws. People also look at a score of 7/10 and lose their minds when the game is good.
After the patches, I would recommend this game to anyone who enjoys either RPGs or just a good single player story
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Post by Rivercurse on May 11, 2017 20:24:49 GMT
I would say EA's strict deadline to have the game's revenue count for last year's fiscal year is what lead to most of the issues. Five years man, they had five years. EA would have been negligent if they didn't call time on such an awful development cycle. Bio spent time and money (a lot of both) on ideas and concepts that flat out got binned and a new direction chosen midway through the process. Edit - The rest of your post, I absolutely agree with.
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Post by kino on May 11, 2017 20:27:48 GMT
No layoffs. No office closures. No adjustment in quarterly earnings. No official press release.
Yet there are still those who insist ME is on "hiatus".
And "SJW's"? hah. This poll just went into ludicrous speed.
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Post by maximusarael020 on May 11, 2017 20:29:45 GMT
You don't have an option for "It's not, because unsubstantiated rumors are not fact." Please add that option, because I have yet to see a single shred of credible evidence that this is true. Every single article about this topic references the Kotaku article, and that article just has rumors from sources "close to the company". If I believed everyone close to something about that something, I'd believe pretty much all the random bullshit on the internet, which apparently many here do.
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Post by decafhigh on May 11, 2017 20:30:02 GMT
The only one to blame here is Bioware. I suppose you could say EA shouldn't have given such a huge task to an unproven studio, but still all the issues with MEA are squarely on Bioware's shoulders.
Trying to blame fans or haters or SJWs for MEA's problems is just scapegoating to avoid the admitting the game's real issues.
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Post by KaiserShep on May 11, 2017 20:31:30 GMT
No layoffs. No office closures. No adjustment in quarterly earnings. No official press release. Yet there are still those who insist ME is on "hiatus". And "SJW's"? hah. This poll just went into ludicrous speed. It's plaid, son.
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Post by alihou on May 11, 2017 20:36:58 GMT
You can also blame the overall direction, the bad writing, and at times, the cringe worthy dialog. Those are my fundamental problems with the game, not the cosmetic stuff. If the game was actually well written and exciting, I think the bugs etc wouldn't be as showcased by people. The uninspired direction and technical issues is what led to the uproar. This game doesn't have a whole lot going for it, which is why it's very easy to criticize.
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Post by projectpatdc on May 11, 2017 20:38:39 GMT
I would say EA's strict deadline to have the game's revenue count for last year's fiscal year is what lead to most of the issues. Five years man, they had five years. EA would have been negligent if they didn't call time on such an awful development cycle. Bio spent time and money (a lot of both) on ideas and concepts that flat out got binned and a new direction chosen midway through the process. Edit - The rest of your post, I absolutely agree with. People keep saying 5 years but how much of that was spent on actually developing the main parts of the game we have today. They had to build everything from scratch on the new engine. They completely redid animations in terms of gameplay, combat, etc. nothing is the same from the original Trilogy in terms of core gameplay animations. They experimented a lot with procedurally generated worlds. And they had higher leadership change in the middle of it. The current game we have now, which takes about 80-120 hours to beat mostly everything has probably been in development for about 3 years. The writing and main story has probably been there since the start but they ran out of time having to rely on algorithms for animations to account for 1200 speaking characters. They should have released it in May or June. Scores would have been anywhere from an 8-8.7, maybe even a few 9s. They would have still be haters but the positive reviews would have drowned them out. The internet buzz about glitches and animations would have never been a factor and sales would have been much higher. It was also a poor decision to knowingly release the game in its state after it competition had such high praise. Waiting until May or June would have allowed it to be the only big AAA game being release right now and the buzz about Zelda, Horizon, Nier, , Nioh, Persona, etc would have died down. Very poor business decision on EA's part
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Post by SofNascimento on May 11, 2017 20:45:27 GMT
The people that you know, made the game.
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Post by lyq3r on May 11, 2017 20:47:54 GMT
oh boy it's time to point fingers instead of engage in critical thinking I think there's been a lot said and written on the topic as a constructive criticism, in rage, despair etc.. People have right to point fingers, in my opinion, of course it doesn't necessarily mean they're right. But $60 thrown away for Andromeda justifies some of the hell EA and BW is getting in exchange. BW and gamers just have to deal with it, move on and find something else to do/play.
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Post by linksocarina on May 11, 2017 20:48:41 GMT
It's fruitless to even make this poll, but everyone needs to look into a mirror then.
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Post by Bergmaniac on May 11, 2017 20:49:51 GMT
Bioware for making a terrible game and especially Mac Walters for being a talentless hack.
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Post by linksocarina on May 11, 2017 20:50:14 GMT
oh boy it's time to point fingers instead of engage in critical thinking It's what mobs do when the sky falls and the future is uncertain.
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Post by maximusarael020 on May 11, 2017 20:52:42 GMT
oh boy it's time to point fingers instead of engage in critical thinking It's what mobs do when the sky falls and the future is uncertain. When they think the sky is falling.
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Post by smudgedhorizon on May 11, 2017 20:54:38 GMT
Essentially no RPG I have ever played (Final Fantasy series, Star Ocean series, Elder Scrolls Morrowind, Oblivion, & Skyrim, Fallout 3, Fallout New Vegas, Fallout 4, to name just a couple) have been without their vast glaring flaws and bugs and issues. Andromeda is literally no worse than any of them. The fanbase reacted horribly and the overblown criticisms went viral and as expected - it has now killed the franchise. Like how Zelda fans praise and adore their games even if parts are bad - Bioware "fans" are the toxic opposite and viciously criticise pretty much everything even when it's good. The ridiculous vitriol over the sodding character creator for instance - it is just pathetic guys.
I adored the game, flaws and all, I've enjoyed hundreds of hours and while it isn't perfect, no game is. It's damn good fun, quintessentially Mass Effect, has interesting new characters and story, tons of content, exciting new worlds and romances, it's a great game and worth every penny I spent on it. I can see the team did their absolute best to create a Mass Effect game all the fans would love. It's a damn shame what our criticisms have caused and shame on us all for it, we've killed the franchise.
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Post by Cyan_Griffonclaw on May 11, 2017 20:57:00 GMT
If anyone has seen me post before, they know I'm a big fan of this game. However, this post, in my opinion, is going to take a critical look that will be as objective as I can. That being say, there is blame to be shared by everyone I'd say, but one party stands out far more than others.. Bioware launched an unfinished product that should have stayed in development for at least several more months. If reports are true that they outsourced the animations of characters, they, as a professional game developer with many AAA and highly rated titles under their belt, had the responsibility to play-test and ensure everything was running smoothly. Bugs and glitches in games are, sadly, just a part of the gaming industry. However, the amount of bugs reported by Andromeda, many of which I didn't experience myself but don't doubt they existed, should not occur. The animations should NEVER have been shipped pre-patch 1.05. Again, I had the benefit of not picking up the title until the day that patched was released. They launched an incomplete, buggy product. That's where mass criticism has come in and hurt this game's launch and that lays on their door step. EA, as the parent company, also plays a part in this as well. Their unrealistic timetables and high pressure, as well as taking away creative freedom of their developers seems to stifle growth and innovation. Their focus on streamlined, "simple" games that are churned out like clockwork with heavy focus on multiplayer components has not done the industry any favors. I don't work for either company, but if reports I've read online (we know how reliable they can be) EA can be a nightmare to work for. Bottom line - they care about money. Not fans. Not good stories. Not even good games. They care how many copies they can push. They are certainly to blame. Haters are absolutely part of the problem. The amount of people that have bashed this game everywhere from Facebook, to gaming article comments to blogs to.. frankly, everywhere and have NOT EVEN PLAYED THE GAME is astonishing. Many of these people either jumped on the bandwagon of hate or they are simply bitter still over the ME3 endings and quick to jump on anything that hates Mass Effect. There are plenty of people who enjoy the game, myself included, who are drowned out by the people who scream from the roof tops that they hate the game, many of whom only watched a video on Youtube or saw a meme. However, all that being said, there wouldn't be a negative pushback, even by the mass of haters out there, for no reason if the game was solid at launch. Despite my love for this title, I must say that the blame for ME being put on the shelf, if the reports are true, can't be placed anywhere other than the developer who created it. EA's crunch time might be overkill. Maybe they gave no quarter to Bioware for extra time to fix the problems. However, Bioware dropped the ball with the release of a buggy, poorly animated game to people both overly hyped for the game and eager for any scrape to see them fail. Unfortunately, I have to be objective. The initial launch was awful. I don't think pushback would have been nearly as bad if the game had launched with patch 1.05 to fix the animations... or even if they had just animated the game in-house... or even CHECKED to see if it was properly animated. However, that's in the past. They launched it like they did and the blame for that falls at their feet. This is the source of my rage. They openly said, "We're above criticism. People are going to buy our stuff because there are more fans out there that love whatever crap we sell than that hardcore RPG nerd-junkies that lose their minds on the old forums. We don't even have forums anymore. We're special..." That's my impression. Right or wrong, Bioware has done nothing to change that. They're enjoying a big, healthy slice of humble pie now. Dummies. Art is not a commodity, except in the hands of a salesman. Bioware, you're artists remember?
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Post by Pearl on May 11, 2017 20:59:59 GMT
If anyone has seen me post before, they know I'm a big fan of this game. However, this post, in my opinion, is going to take a critical look that will be as objective as I can. That being say, there is blame to be shared by everyone I'd say, but one party stands out far more than others.. Bioware launched an unfinished product that should have stayed in development for at least several more months. If reports are true that they outsourced the animations of characters, they, as a professional game developer with many AAA and highly rated titles under their belt, had the responsibility to play-test and ensure everything was running smoothly. Bugs and glitches in games are, sadly, just a part of the gaming industry. However, the amount of bugs reported by Andromeda, many of which I didn't experience myself but don't doubt they existed, should not occur. The animations should NEVER have been shipped pre-patch 1.05. Again, I had the benefit of not picking up the title until the day that patched was released. They launched an incomplete, buggy product. That's where mass criticism has come in and hurt this game's launch and that lays on their door step. EA, as the parent company, also plays a part in this as well. Their unrealistic timetables and high pressure, as well as taking away creative freedom of their developers seems to stifle growth and innovation. Their focus on streamlined, "simple" games that are churned out like clockwork with heavy focus on multiplayer components has not done the industry any favors. I don't work for either company, but if reports I've read online (we know how reliable they can be) EA can be a nightmare to work for. Bottom line - they care about money. Not fans. Not good stories. Not even good games. They care how many copies they can push. They are certainly to blame. Haters are absolutely part of the problem. The amount of people that have bashed this game everywhere from Facebook, to gaming article comments to blogs to.. frankly, everywhere and have NOT EVEN PLAYED THE GAME is astonishing. Many of these people either jumped on the bandwagon of hate or they are simply bitter still over the ME3 endings and quick to jump on anything that hates Mass Effect. There are plenty of people who enjoy the game, myself included, who are drowned out by the people who scream from the roof tops that they hate the game, many of whom only watched a video on Youtube or saw a meme. However, all that being said, there wouldn't be a negative pushback, even by the mass of haters out there, for no reason if the game was solid at launch. Despite my love for this title, I must say that the blame for ME being put on the shelf, if the reports are true, can't be placed anywhere other than the developer who created it. EA's crunch time might be overkill. Maybe they gave no quarter to Bioware for extra time to fix the problems. However, Bioware dropped the ball with the release of a buggy, poorly animated game to people both overly hyped for the game and eager for any scrape to see them fail. Unfortunately, I have to be objective. The initial launch was awful. I don't think pushback would have been nearly as bad if the game had launched with patch 1.05 to fix the animations... or even if they had just animated the game in-house... or even CHECKED to see if it was properly animated. However, that's in the past. They launched it like they did and the blame for that falls at their feet. This is that shit I do like. Objective analysis from someone who identifies as a big fan. This next bit isn't aimed at anyone in particular, it's just a short soapbox/rant thing. A lot of the time, I see people intentionally overlook or straight-up deny the flaws that are a part of something they like, and that is a big mistake. They seem to conflate being a fan of something with blind adoration for that thing, and I don't think I need to explain why this is bad. The truth of the matter is that everything in life has flaws, no matter how much you like it, and pretending that those flaws either don't matter or don't exist is disingenuous, and in some cases will only serve to discredit you. It's okay to like something no matter how flawed it is, and likewise it's okay to admit that something you like has glaring issues. You like what you like, and you don't need to attempt to excuse away the problems that said thing has, no matter how big or small they are. If anything, being able to identify and discuss the issues from an objective viewpoint while still liking/loving the product is an excellent measure of character.
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