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Post by derrame on May 12, 2017 6:22:05 GMT
hi there pathfinders
i found this video, which says almot all i was thinking about the MEA put on hiatus by EA
just listen from 8:46 to end
the game was disappointing, but it saddens me deeply this decision by EA, at least they could learn from the mistakes, make good story dlc's, and a sequel or just another ME game way better
EA just fucks over ME fans and says "well, sucks to suck, good bye"
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Post by ApocAlypsE on May 12, 2017 6:41:58 GMT
1. The franchise should have ended in ME3. There is no way to continue the story of the OT without resorting to canonizing an ending, and escaping on large scale leave large plot holes.
2. This is how EA always have done stuff. Doesn't work? Scrap it. (RIP C&C)
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Post by vonuber on May 12, 2017 6:55:06 GMT
Wait you aren't suikoden! What's going on???
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Post by Pearl on May 12, 2017 7:48:53 GMT
Wait you aren't suikoden! What's going on??? It's almost as if different people can have similar opinions or something. Mind-boggling.
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Post by malgus on May 12, 2017 8:35:32 GMT
The problem is that guy is relying on that clickbait kotaku article as a reliable source.
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Post by Cyan_Griffonclaw on May 12, 2017 9:51:26 GMT
The problem is that guy is relying on that clickbait kotaku article as a reliable source. Even though he makes valid points from the moment on about two-way communication, he's still using Kotaku's malice-intended article (which has been re-edited twice now) as source information. I would like to see more genuine communication and that's on EA. They're so damn cheap. In this industry, when the competition is gaining on your heels and you've pissed on your fanbase so many times, how long do you think it will before people just ignore a respected name brand? Even if it's the best art dealer in the industry, they're throwing money away by betting low and not addressing why their golden goose is struggling. Art this complicated doesn't happen overnight and certainly not by a handful of individuals anymore. You can't cheap out on your employees and not expect them to keep their resumes polished. Bioware had better get off their ego trip or they're going to be served another portion of humble pie. I may be wrong. I may see it all out context, but that's the impression I get. You can blame things on bad luck, but you can blame lack of oversight, lack of polish, lack of professionalism. I know I've hammered HR, but I wonder what power they have and how much is to blame on the people above them. All I hope for is that they're past all that crap and nonsense. I hope their focused to make whatever next comes our way is worthy of being called Bioware. It still means something and that something is above the rest.
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Post by cypherj on May 12, 2017 12:25:29 GMT
One point that is completely true, is that the game is what it is at this point.
If your only issue with the game was bugs and technical issues, then yes patches will improve the game for you. Had EA given Bioware more time the game would have been better.
However, if you didn't like the story, the writing, the protagonist, the antagonist, the tone, or other major elements, patches aren't going to make the game any more appealing. Just like EA having given them more time would not have produced a better game in any of these regards.
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Post by wolfsite on May 12, 2017 12:45:08 GMT
Broken game? really? Broken means being unable to even start it. There are developers out there who have games that can be used as a text-book definition of broken who wish they could make a game like Andromeda.
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Post by The Arbiter on May 12, 2017 12:48:18 GMT
1. The franchise should have ended in ME3. There is no way to continue the story of the OT without resorting to canonizing an ending, and escaping on large scale leave large plot holes. 2. This is how EA always have done stuff. Doesn't work? Scrap it. (RIP C&C) yep kinda reminds me about the Medal of Honor Franchise. darn... at this point I would totally accept a canon ending of destroy just to save this franchise. But when they completely deleted the original BioWare forums from existence I saw this coming
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Post by KaiserShep on May 12, 2017 12:54:37 GMT
Broken game? really? Broken means being unable to even start it. There are developers out there who have games that can be used as a text-book definition of broken who wish they could make a game like Andromeda. Well, maybe not broken broken, but this is the first time in a long time where I felt like I was gaming on eggshells waiting to see what does and doesn't work. Heck just micromanaging Movie Night (and ultimately failing) was rather aggravating. So yeah, broken is not really the right word; unreliable would be a fair assessment, however.
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Post by vonuber on May 12, 2017 13:02:57 GMT
I've only really had one bad bug (the save / viability issue). Guess I've just been lucky.
Mind you I am playing so slowly maybe they have all been patched before I get there.
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Post by force58 on May 12, 2017 13:06:32 GMT
hi there pathfinders i found this video, which says almot all i was thinking about the MEA put on hiatus by EA just listen from 8:46 to end the game was disappointing, but it saddens me deeply this decision by EA, at least they could learn from the mistakes, make good story dlc's, and a sequel or just another ME game way better EA just fucks over ME fans and says "well, sucks to suck, good bye" I had a conversation yesterday on the same topic, different post. What exactly is so wrong with the game that you all feel this strongly about it. First, I've played 2-3 hours every day since launch and am nowhere near completion. How did you all finish the game so fast? Are you only playing the main story mission? Secondly, you all complain about the animations. I've seen a few animations where the audio/video were out of synch, a few times where the AI mouth didn't move when they were obviously speaking, but so what. It doesn't detract from the gameplay at all. Am I the only one enjoying the hell out of the game right now? It seems as though I am. And if that's the case, and I'm in the minority, what am I not seeing? Again, the story is great, the R&D is amazing, crafting weapons is nicely done, what's not to like? I will admit, my Ryder looks like a dufus, but I can get past that. I'm growing fond of Peebee and Drake, and I was afraid I wouldn't get attached to any of the AI like in ME3. So, I'm back to, what's the big deal????
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Post by Sanunes on May 12, 2017 13:08:44 GMT
I've only really had one bad bug (the save / viability issue). Guess I've just been lucky. Mind you I am playing so slowly maybe they have all been patched before I get there. Its not being lucky or unlucky, that is the nature of an open world game with having a lot of variables. I could understand the game being considered broken if everyone was encountering the exact same issues all the time, but it seems a lot of the problems that people are using as examples for the game being broken don't happen to everyone.
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Post by Deleted on May 12, 2017 13:10:21 GMT
Yeah watched a few of his videos on Andromeda, they are good, on point and everyhting. He seems more sad than mad, which is something many fans are feeling. It is not a good feeling to have about one of your favourite franchises.
I kind of agree with him though, they are taking the cowards way out. When you reach a roadblock, just drive through it and do better. Easy for me to say, i don't have millions of dollars invested in something that's not paying off.
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Post by Sanunes on May 12, 2017 13:12:14 GMT
hi there pathfinders i found this video, which says almot all i was thinking about the MEA put on hiatus by EA just listen from 8:46 to end the game was disappointing, but it saddens me deeply this decision by EA, at least they could learn from the mistakes, make good story dlc's, and a sequel or just another ME game way better EA just fucks over ME fans and says "well, sucks to suck, good bye" I had a conversation yesterday on the same topic, different post. What exactly is so wrong with the game that you all feel this strongly about it. First, I've played 2-3 hours every day since launch and am nowhere near completion. How did you all finish the game so fast? Are you only playing the main story mission? Secondly, you all complain about the animations. I've seen a few animations where the audio/video were out of synch, a few times where the AI mouth didn't move when they were obviously speaking, but so what. It doesn't detract from the gameplay at all. Am I the only one enjoying the hell out of the game right now? It seems as though I am. And if that's the case, and I'm in the minority, what am I not seeing? Again, the story is great, the R&D is amazing, crafting weapons is nicely done, what's not to like? I will admit, my Ryder looks like a dufus, but I can get past that. I'm growing fond of Peebee and Drake, and I was afraid I wouldn't get attached to any of the AI like in ME3. So, I'm back to, what's the big deal???? I find with BioWare games the internet as a whole loves to complain about it because its all clickbait. I have seen plenty of people that are enjoying the game and there are plenty around here the polls just after launch where people wanted to show the same negativity around ME:A as ME3 showed plenty of people that were "okay" with the game and better. There are flaws within the game and there are just a group of people that want to bring every little video that might be negative around here to prove how right they are about the game. Even look since that Kotaku article how many videos or "news" sites are using it as a basis of the game being put on hiatus with no proof aside from that.
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Post by ShadowAngel on May 12, 2017 13:12:32 GMT
Another scapegoat at EA rather than a rookie bioware team making various mistakes. Not to mention 5 years of dev time is more than most games get, and they even had a delay. I don't blame EA at all if they were to shelve the franchise until they can get a group more serious about it.
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Post by Sanunes on May 12, 2017 13:13:55 GMT
Yeah watched a few of his videos on Andromeda, they are good, on point and everyhting. He seems more sad than mad, which is something many fans are feeling. It is not a good feeling to have about one of your favourite franchises. I kind of agree with him though, they are taking the cowards way out. When you reach a roadblock, just drive through it and do better. Easy for me to say, i don't have millions of dollars invested in something that's not paying off. I would think he feels that way, but my problem is that people are using that saying "everyone should feel this way" which is not correct. I think Andrew Wilson put it right when he was talking about how some people like the game and other don't. I just wish people that kept making all these videos would understand that the game just isn't for them, but it doesn't mean that it is broken at a fundamental level for there are people that are enjoying it as it is.
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Post by ShadowAngel on May 12, 2017 13:14:23 GMT
hi there pathfinders i found this video, which says almot all i was thinking about the MEA put on hiatus by EA just listen from 8:46 to end the game was disappointing, but it saddens me deeply this decision by EA, at least they could learn from the mistakes, make good story dlc's, and a sequel or just another ME game way better EA just fucks over ME fans and says "well, sucks to suck, good bye" I had a conversation yesterday on the same topic, different post. What exactly is so wrong with the game that you all feel this strongly about it. First, I've played 2-3 hours every day since launch and am nowhere near completion. How did you all finish the game so fast? Are you only playing the main story mission? Secondly, you all complain about the animations. I've seen a few animations where the audio/video were out of synch, a few times where the AI mouth didn't move when they were obviously speaking, but so what. It doesn't detract from the gameplay at all. Am I the only one enjoying the hell out of the game right now? It seems as though I am. And if that's the case, and I'm in the minority, what am I not seeing? Again, the story is great, the R&D is amazing, crafting weapons is nicely done, what's not to like? I will admit, my Ryder looks like a dufus, but I can get past that. I'm growing fond of Peebee and Drake, and I was afraid I wouldn't get attached to any of the AI like in ME3. So, I'm back to, what's the big deal???? You're not paying attention to people very well if all you see is complaints on animations, like look around the forums lol.
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Post by liquidsnake on May 12, 2017 13:21:47 GMT
Meh, I've watched several of this guy's videos and I take everything he says with a grain of salt. He's been very critical since day one, which is fine... It's his opinion. However, it seems like the only complaint he really has is with the animations. Again, that's fine. Again I say, however, to call the game broken, and be as negative as he is about Andromeda by the animations alone, to me, is mind boggling. If he hated the story, or hated the characters or the setting... okay, then I understand his animosity. He makes video after video after video that he repeats the same thing over and over again about how awful the animations are, and then admits that Bioware is working on them and improving them and they are looking much better after each patch. Then he releases a video calling it a broken game.
Again, I say 'meh' to this guy and his opinion. It's one opinion that differs from mine.
The animations at launch sucked. No getting around it. Bioware could have just ignored the outcry and left the game as is. As I said in a different thread, they are responsible for launching the game in the condition it was. However, the Montreal team as a whole isn't completely at fault. Bioware upper management certainly is. The Montreal team has been hard at work since launch to fix the issues the game launched with, and I'm sure they knew about. They've been trying since week 1 to make it right. I didn't start playing the game until 1.05 and while a few parts seem a tad wonky to me, the game runs great, I enjoy the characters and I like the story. In no way to I consider Andromeda a "broken" game.
That's just my opinion though.
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Post by vonuber on May 12, 2017 13:24:34 GMT
That's just my opinion though. Which is clearly worthless unless you put it on YouTube.
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Post by liquidsnake on May 12, 2017 13:27:42 GMT
That's just my opinion though. Which is clearly worthless unless you put it on YouTube. Ha ha ha. That's funny. Very true. Maybe it's time for me to start my own channel! Again, I don't have an issue with this guy as a person. His videos are far too long where he repeats himself over and over again. Like I said, if he was critical of the story or characters or setting etc. then I'd understand the amount and length of videos he puts out. However, it's all about animations. Over and over again. That's his only complaint and he has nothing but harsh criticism for the game, Bioware and the franchise in general because of it. His videos were some of the first "reviews" or complaints I watched after the game's launch before i could get a copy. I heard what he had to say, said, once again, "meh" and bought the game any way to form my own opinion. It couldn't have differed from his more. I'm glad I got the game. I'll be playing it again and I will always enjoy it.
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Post by decafhigh on May 12, 2017 13:32:01 GMT
Those are some big improvements. If they had released the game in that state they could have avoided all the silly memes and internet hate trolling. Lesson learned? Bah, its EA who are we kidding. I agree it feels a bit like they are taking the easy way out (if ME is in fact going on hiatus), but it may be for the best.
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Post by mmoblitz on May 12, 2017 13:41:16 GMT
hi there pathfinders i found this video, which says almot all i was thinking about the MEA put on hiatus by EA just listen from 8:46 to end the game was disappointing, but it saddens me deeply this decision by EA, at least they could learn from the mistakes, make good story dlc's, and a sequel or just another ME game way better EA just fucks over ME fans and says "well, sucks to suck, good bye" I had a conversation yesterday on the same topic, different post. What exactly is so wrong with the game that you all feel this strongly about it. First, I've played 2-3 hours every day since launch and am nowhere near completion. How did you all finish the game so fast? Are you only playing the main story mission? Secondly, you all complain about the animations. I've seen a few animations where the audio/video were out of synch, a few times where the AI mouth didn't move when they were obviously speaking, but so what. It doesn't detract from the gameplay at all. Am I the only one enjoying the hell out of the game right now? It seems as though I am. And if that's the case, and I'm in the minority, what am I not seeing? Again, the story is great, the R&D is amazing, crafting weapons is nicely done, what's not to like? I will admit, my Ryder looks like a dufus, but I can get past that. I'm growing fond of Peebee and Drake, and I was afraid I wouldn't get attached to any of the AI like in ME3. So, I'm back to, what's the big deal???? Subjective. What you seem to think is great, I think is mediocre at the best. I buy Bioware games for story/characters and that is it. As long as combat is playable then I'm fine with it. That hasn't been a strong point of their games anyway. This is the worst for me in what I'm looking for in the series and worse than even DAI which I thought was the worst in that series. As others have said, patches aren't going to fix what I find wrong with the game. They made the decision to move away from what I think made the MA series one of the best ever made and give more focus to combat and the open world aspect than anything else. Most reviews that tend to be critical mention story/characters as well so I know I'm not alone on that front. Like I said, It's all subjective. You like it and I don't. Nothing wrong with that.
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Post by rasande on May 12, 2017 13:46:45 GMT
As a fan, i would love for them to pour more money into the franchise and improve ect. But seriously, it's very naive to expect EA to do so if Andromeda sold poorly compared to what they expected.
EA already took a chance on the unproven Montreal studio and they fucked it up. There might be some very good reasons for that and i do hope they've learned from their mistakes, but second chances in life are rare, especially when millions of dollars are involved. They don't have infinite funds, and if they have many projects to fund that are more likely to be more profitable you can bet your ass they're not gonna take another risk on something that was financially disappointing and hope they learned their lesson just to please fans. Bioware Montreal/who ever takes the lead would have to be very convincing.
Don't think Bioware even have much say in the matter, i'd bet the people that worked on Andromeda would like nothing more than get a second chance. It's not like they're a single employee that's inexperienced and messed up where EA would just call them into their office, chew them out, send them off with a pat on the bum and a sack of bazillion dollars for the next project. There's a lot money involved and we don't really know what happened during development. If they were still self published they probably would give it another go but, you know, woulda,coulda,shoulda.
Hopefully the whole hiatus thing is overblown but seriously, if i wasn't a fan and strutted around the EA office in a pants suit i probably would give Mass Effect a pass for the moment too.
Fortunently i have a soul.
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