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Post by cloud9 on May 14, 2017 16:36:37 GMT
It's not just the endings it's other things that need to be fixed and revamp such as the first Mass Effect where they could fix the gameplay flaws like cover system, animations, enemy AI, and everything really. And revamp Shepard's character by playing back stories to get into the character like Origins (even the Uncharted series did an outstanding job of providing a back story of Drake's life of how he became an treasure hunter) and ME:A is a complete disaster and it shows that BioWare is not to be trusted to make the franchise, and it would be a smart move to remake the trilogy to be better than the original to regain the fan's trust. Just my 2¢. Stop trying to bill it as a "remaster" request then... because it's not. Remaking the same game at this stage will most likely not be profitable for Bioware. It's not going to happen.
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Post by Monica21 on May 14, 2017 16:41:08 GMT
It's not just the endings it's other things that need to be fixed and revamp such as the first Mass Effect where they could fix the gameplay flaws like cover system, animations, enemy AI, and everything really. And revamp Shepard's character by playing back stories to get into the character like Origins (even the Uncharted series did an outstanding job of providing a back story of Drake's life of how he became an treasure hunter) and ME:A is a complete disaster and it shows that BioWare is not to be trusted to make the franchise, and it would be a smart move to remake the trilogy to be better than the original to regain the fan's trust. Just my 2¢. The endings don't need to be "fixed." The endings are what they are and they are going to stay that way. There's literally nothing Bioware could do at this point that will please the fanbase if they did change the endings. And having gone through my share of ME1 playthroughs, I'd be happy if Bioware released a high-res texture pack. I don't want to have to screw around with game files, and I have a system that shows every flaw in the textures. Probably could do the same for ME2 and ME3. But again, the likelihood of any of that happening, much less something that (in your view) "fixes" the game mechanics themselves will never happen because it simply will not profit Bioware or EA. Your vision of a "correct" Mass Effect series likely does not gel with my vision of what I'd like to see in the Mass Effect series, and Bioware and EA do not exist to please you.
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Post by cloud9 on May 14, 2017 17:08:29 GMT
It's not just the endings it's other things that need to be fixed and revamp such as the first Mass Effect where they could fix the gameplay flaws like cover system, animations, enemy AI, and everything really. And revamp Shepard's character by playing back stories to get into the character like Origins (even the Uncharted series did an outstanding job of providing a back story of Drake's life of how he became an treasure hunter) and ME:A is a complete disaster and it shows that BioWare is not to be trusted to make the franchise, and it would be a smart move to remake the trilogy to be better than the original to regain the fan's trust. Just my 2¢. The endings don't need to be "fixed." The endings are what they are and they are going to stay that way. There's literally nothing Bioware could do at this point that will please the fanbase if they did change the endings. And having gone through my share of ME1 playthroughs, I'd be happy if Bioware released a high-res texture pack. I don't want to have to screw around with game files, and I have a system that shows every flaw in the textures. Probably could do the same for ME2 and ME3. But again, the likelihood of any of that happening, much less something that (in your view) "fixes" the game mechanics themselves will never happen because it simply will not profit Bioware or EA. Your vision of a "correct" Mass Effect series likely does not gel with my vision of what I'd like to see in the Mass Effect series, and Bioware and EA do not exist to please you. Insomniac Games reboot the original Ratchet & Clank from 2001 en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ratchet_%26_Clank_(2016_video_game) and it was successful. And why not? If they do it right it will pay off if they decide to do so. But first they need to get their team together first before taking that step. First they need to hire people from different cultures, ethnic backgrounds, and various religions to create a multicultural diverse team (like Ubisoft did with Assassin's Creed) to create a diverse stories, characters, and beliefs in Mass Effect after all the game is diverse with different species and cultures. Also they needed experienced designers such as animations, combat, level designing, and cinematics from companies who makes AAA games such as Naughty Dog, Rockstar , and Blizzard. And finally the most important thing of all is to listen to customers and critics and that is very important. I mean the last thing that BioWare wants to do is to shoo away people if they don't listen and ignore them by doing whatever they want to anyways is not a very bright move.
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Post by Deleted on May 14, 2017 17:17:36 GMT
The endings don't need to be "fixed." The endings are what they are and they are going to stay that way. There's literally nothing Bioware could do at this point that will please the fanbase if they did change the endings. And having gone through my share of ME1 playthroughs, I'd be happy if Bioware released a high-res texture pack. I don't want to have to screw around with game files, and I have a system that shows every flaw in the textures. Probably could do the same for ME2 and ME3. But again, the likelihood of any of that happening, much less something that (in your view) "fixes" the game mechanics themselves will never happen because it simply will not profit Bioware or EA. Your vision of a "correct" Mass Effect series likely does not gel with my vision of what I'd like to see in the Mass Effect series, and Bioware and EA do not exist to please you. Insomniac Games reboot the original Ratchet & Clank from 2001( en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ratchet_%26_Clank_(2016_video_game))and it was successful. And why not? If they do it right it will pay off if they decide to do so. But first they need to get their team together first before taking that step. First they need to hire people from different cultures, ethnic backgrounds, and various religions to create a multicultural diverse team (like Ubisoft did with Assassin's Creed) to create a diverse stories, characters, and beliefs in Mass Effect after all the game is diverse with different species and cultures. Also they needed experienced designers such as animations, combat, level designing, and cinematics from companies who makes AAA games such as Naughty Dog, Rockstar , and Blizzard. And finally the most important thing of all is to listen to customers and critics and that is very important. I mean the last thing that BioWare wants to do is to shoo away people if they don't listen and ignore them by doing whatever they want to anyways is not a very bright move. However, your opinion doesn't include listening to those customers who do want to keep the old endings and stay true to the original. You want the old endings expunged and you want ME:A to ONLY go ahead based on one ending of the Trilogy (and I'm betting that you would be less than happy if they happened to canonize one of the endings you don't like in the process)... and therein is the problem here. It's why we're all still fighting an online "war" over this. Bioware listening to ALL customers includes listening to those customers who happen to disagree with you... and they are out there in large numbers. There is a way everyone can get somewhat of what they want here... and that is with an expansion ending DLC to the old Trilogy as part of a remaster. So the original game doesn't get redone... the graphics get improved, the sound quality gets improved, some of the real bugs still lingering around are fixed, and most importantly, it gets released on the newest console systems. Ignoring the EC once installed becomes an option (so one doesn't have to uninstall it to go back to the very original endings) and a DLC pack (even if it's a freebie) adds on a Bioware version of MEHEM and even a couple of other ending scenarios. ME:A moves forward from where this ME:A story left off. No canon ending to MET... no one loses out by having their favored ending "expunged" in the process of pacifying you malcontents that can't let go and move on. Bioware, right now, is pretty crippled towards getting a prime "A" team together... They assigned ME:A to a young team who may have become eventually great talents... and they were promptly trounced on by the fans, the game metabombed and facial animations memed to death. Now that division is being downsized... Is it because EA are firing people or that there are just so many people really just now so discouraged they want out and Bioware can't keep enough of the staff to keep the studio running at full speed? I don't see a bunch of the industry's brightest clamouring to jump aboard Bioware's ship right now while the perception seems to be that it's a sinking one.
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Post by Monica21 on May 14, 2017 17:31:21 GMT
Good for them. Why do you think this means Mass Effect can be completely overhauled and re-released successfully? What it sounds to me like you should do is pull together your own development team that meets whatever ideas you have about forcefully inserting your vision of diversity into a space trilogy and creating your own game. Go do that. Because it's exhausting to listen to people still try to convince everyone else that the series is wrong and needs a new ending or (in your case) needs to be re-developed.
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Post by cloud9 on May 14, 2017 20:06:41 GMT
Insomniac Games reboot the original Ratchet & Clank from 2001( en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ratchet_%26_Clank_(2016_video_game))and it was successful. And why not? If they do it right it will pay off if they decide to do so. But first they need to get their team together first before taking that step. First they need to hire people from different cultures, ethnic backgrounds, and various religions to create a multicultural diverse team (like Ubisoft did with Assassin's Creed) to create a diverse stories, characters, and beliefs in Mass Effect after all the game is diverse with different species and cultures. Also they needed experienced designers such as animations, combat, level designing, and cinematics from companies who makes AAA games such as Naughty Dog, Rockstar , and Blizzard. And finally the most important thing of all is to listen to customers and critics and that is very important. I mean the last thing that BioWare wants to do is to shoo away people if they don't listen and ignore them by doing whatever they want to anyways is not a very bright move. However, your opinion doesn't include listening to those customers who do want to keep the old endings and stay true to the original. You want the old endings expunged and you want ME:A to ONLY go ahead based on one ending of the Trilogy (and I'm betting that you would be less than happy if they happened to canonize one of the endings you don't like in the process)... and therein is the problem here. It's why we're all still fighting an online "war" over this. Bioware listening to ALL customers includes listening to those customers who happen to disagree with you... and they are out there in large numbers. There is a way everyone can get somewhat of what they want here... and that is with an expansion ending DLC to the old Trilogy as part of a remaster. So the original game doesn't get redone... the graphics get improved, the sound quality gets improved, some of the real bugs still lingering around are fixed, and most importantly, it gets released on the newest console systems. Ignoring the EC once installed becomes an option (so one doesn't have to uninstall it to go back to the very original endings) and a DLC pack (even if it's a freebie) adds on a Bioware version of MEHEM and even a couple of other ending scenarios. ME:A moves forward from where this ME:A story left off. No canon ending to MET... no one loses out by having their favored ending "expunged" in the process of pacifying you malcontents that can't let go and move on. Bioware, right now, is pretty crippled towards getting a prime "A" team together... They assigned ME:A to a young team who may have become eventually great talents... and they were promptly trounced on by the fans, the game metabombed and facial animations memed to death. Now that division is being downsized... Is it because EA are firing people or that there are just so many people really just now so discouraged they want out and Bioware can't keep enough of the staff to keep the studio running at full speed? I don't see a bunch of the industry's brightest clamouring to jump aboard Bioware's ship right now while the perception seems to be that it's a sinking one. I made a post similar to the situation with BioWare bsn.boards.net/thread/1895/rip-biowareAnd it was EA who screwed up BioWare in the first place if why they have all these problems today, and me personally I think EA are sabotaging BioWare on purpose like get did with other companies they've bought.
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Post by cloud9 on May 14, 2017 20:10:10 GMT
Good for them. Why do you think this means Mass Effect can be completely overhauled and re-released successfully? What it sounds to me like you should do is pull together your own development team that meets whatever ideas you have about forcefully inserting your vision of diversity into a space trilogy and creating your own game. Go do that. Because it's exhausting to listen to people still try to convince everyone else that the series is wrong and needs a new ending or (in your case) needs to be re-developed. I'm not even convincing anyone I'm merely sharing my ideas and opinions and it's fine that you agree or disagree. Either way that's fine by me.
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Post by Deleted on May 14, 2017 20:56:03 GMT
However, your opinion doesn't include listening to those customers who do want to keep the old endings and stay true to the original. You want the old endings expunged and you want ME:A to ONLY go ahead based on one ending of the Trilogy (and I'm betting that you would be less than happy if they happened to canonize one of the endings you don't like in the process)... and therein is the problem here. It's why we're all still fighting an online "war" over this. Bioware listening to ALL customers includes listening to those customers who happen to disagree with you... and they are out there in large numbers. There is a way everyone can get somewhat of what they want here... and that is with an expansion ending DLC to the old Trilogy as part of a remaster. So the original game doesn't get redone... the graphics get improved, the sound quality gets improved, some of the real bugs still lingering around are fixed, and most importantly, it gets released on the newest console systems. Ignoring the EC once installed becomes an option (so one doesn't have to uninstall it to go back to the very original endings) and a DLC pack (even if it's a freebie) adds on a Bioware version of MEHEM and even a couple of other ending scenarios. ME:A moves forward from where this ME:A story left off. No canon ending to MET... no one loses out by having their favored ending "expunged" in the process of pacifying you malcontents that can't let go and move on. Bioware, right now, is pretty crippled towards getting a prime "A" team together... They assigned ME:A to a young team who may have become eventually great talents... and they were promptly trounced on by the fans, the game metabombed and facial animations memed to death. Now that division is being downsized... Is it because EA are firing people or that there are just so many people really just now so discouraged they want out and Bioware can't keep enough of the staff to keep the studio running at full speed? I don't see a bunch of the industry's brightest clamouring to jump aboard Bioware's ship right now while the perception seems to be that it's a sinking one. I made a post similar to the situation with BioWare bsn.boards.net/thread/1895/rip-biowareAnd it was EA who screwed up BioWare in the first place if why they have all these problems today, and me personally I think EA are sabotaging BioWare on purpose like get did with other companies they've bought. Oh yeah... it's very logical to spend a bunch of money buying out a lucrative company only to sabotage the assets you paid for in the first place (sarcasm - because that doesn't make sense at all). Absorbing the company makes sense even dissolving the company makes sense... sabotaging the good name of its assets makes no sense. In Canada... a lot of businesses are sucked under through being taken over by American conglomerates. Their assets, however, are generally absorbed into the larger company. The chafe is discarded. Given the Mass Effect 2 is listed among the greatest games of all time makes that IP a valuable asset. EA would not go out of its way to destroy the good name of that asset. It's the fan who have been destroying that good name... Would you want to work for a company where you know other employees have even received death threats from fans?... didn't think so.
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Post by cloud9 on May 15, 2017 0:36:01 GMT
I made a post similar to the situation with BioWare bsn.boards.net/thread/1895/rip-biowareAnd it was EA who screwed up BioWare in the first place if why they have all these problems today, and me personally I think EA are sabotaging BioWare on purpose like get did with other companies they've bought. Oh yeah... it's very logical to spend a bunch of money buying out a lucrative company only to sabotage the assets you paid for in the first place (sarcasm - because that doesn't make sense at all). Absorbing the company makes sense even dissolving the company makes sense... sabotaging the good name of its assets makes no sense. In Canada... a lot of businesses are sucked under through being taken over by American conglomerates. Their assets, however, are generally absorbed into the larger company. The chafe is discarded. Given the Mass Effect 2 is listed among the greatest games of all time makes that IP a valuable asset. EA would not go out of its way to destroy the good name of that asset. It's the fan who have been destroying that good name... Would you want to work for a company where you know other employees have even received death threats from fans?... didn't think so. They're just stupid assholes and they don't even count and the fans don't destroy their company is EA is dissolving the company that causes the problem and turning it into part of EA just like the past companies like Maxis, Westwood, and LucasArts.
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Post by Deleted on May 15, 2017 0:44:27 GMT
Oh yeah... it's very logical to spend a bunch of money buying out a lucrative company only to sabotage the assets you paid for in the first place (sarcasm - because that doesn't make sense at all). Absorbing the company makes sense even dissolving the company makes sense... sabotaging the good name of its assets makes no sense. In Canada... a lot of businesses are sucked under through being taken over by American conglomerates. Their assets, however, are generally absorbed into the larger company. The chafe is discarded. Given the Mass Effect 2 is listed among the greatest games of all time makes that IP a valuable asset. EA would not go out of its way to destroy the good name of that asset. It's the fan who have been destroying that good name... Would you want to work for a company where you know other employees have even received death threats from fans?... didn't think so. They're just stupid assholes and they don't even count and the fans don't destroy their company is EA is dissolving the company that causes the problem and turning it into part of EA just like the past companies like Maxis, Westwood, and LucasArts. Now your sentence structure isn't even making sense.
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Post by cloud9 on May 15, 2017 17:01:14 GMT
They're just stupid assholes and they don't even count and the fans don't destroy their company is EA is dissolving the company that causes the problem and turning it into part of EA just like the past companies like Maxis, Westwood, and LucasArts. Now your sentence structure isn't even making sense. I meant the stupid people who's making death threats to the devs don't count as fans or you just being picky?
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Now your sentence structure isn't even making sense. I meant the stupid people who's making death threats to the devs don't count as fans or you just being picky? No, I honestly was not understanding what it was you were saying. We agree... "fans" who make death threats are certainly not fans... IMO, neither really are fans who go overboard with their criticisms and fail to try to base them on legitimate defects or "pad" their complaints with requests they know are completely unreasonable or who fail to consider that the company is trying to please a wider, more diverse group who have different likes and dislikes. IMO, everyone should be willing to compromise a bit every now and then. There's reasonable and constructive criticism and then there's overboard reactionism for the sake of sensationalism and creating tensions. A lot of the time, ME "fans" tend to lean towards the latter while claiming the former.
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I've seen those videos before. Don't agree with everything in them.
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Post by cloud9 on May 16, 2017 4:09:06 GMT
I meant the stupid people who's making death threats to the devs don't count as fans or you just being picky? No, I honestly was not understanding what it was you were saying. We agree... "fans" who make death threats are certainly not fans... IMO, neither really are fans who go overboard with their criticisms and fail to try to base them on legitimate defects or "pad" their complaints with requests they know are completely unreasonable or who fail to consider that the company is trying to please a wider, more diverse group who have different likes and dislikes. IMO, everyone should be willing to compromise a bit every now and then. There's reasonable and constructive criticism and then there's overboard reactionism for the sake of sensationalism and creating tensions. A lot of the time, ME "fans" tend to lean towards the latter while claiming the former. As far as I've noticed they cater more to LGBT/"SJW" ( the whole SJW is so lame) than anything else. And BTW the whole "blaming fans for criticism" is just another copout of not accepting responsibility and another thing that the company should realize that it's the fans that pay money for their games so they have every right to criticize their games.
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Post by dmc1001 on May 16, 2017 4:29:39 GMT
No, I honestly was not understanding what it was you were saying. We agree... "fans" who make death threats are certainly not fans... IMO, neither really are fans who go overboard with their criticisms and fail to try to base them on legitimate defects or "pad" their complaints with requests they know are completely unreasonable or who fail to consider that the company is trying to please a wider, more diverse group who have different likes and dislikes. IMO, everyone should be willing to compromise a bit every now and then. There's reasonable and constructive criticism and then there's overboard reactionism for the sake of sensationalism and creating tensions. A lot of the time, ME "fans" tend to lean towards the latter while claiming the former. As far as I'm noticed they cater more to LGBT/"SJW" ( the whole SJW is so lame) than anything else. Really? Because I've seen the BroShep/Kaidan romance vs the FemShep/Kaidan romance and I can tell you that FemShep is much better done. And don't even get me started on the bullshit they offered in MEA with Scott/Gil. It has the least amount of time for any romance in the game at 19 minutes. Peebee gets more than an hour of romance content. Please, take your bullshit about catering to gays somewhere else when you have a leg to stand on.
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Post by cloud9 on May 16, 2017 7:55:03 GMT
As far as I've noticed they cater more to LGBT/"SJW" ( the whole SJW is so lame) than anything else. Really? Because I've seen the BroShep/Kaidan romance vs the FemShep/Kaidan romance and I can tell you that FemShep is much better done. And don't even get me started on the bullshit they offered in MEA with Scott/Gil. It has the least amount of time for any romance in the game at 19 minutes. Peebee gets more than an hour of romance content. Please, take your bullshit about catering to gays somewhere else when you have a leg to stand on. I'm merely making an observation not judging people's sexuality. Dude calm down.
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Post by dmc1001 on May 16, 2017 10:29:23 GMT
Really? Because I've seen the BroShep/Kaidan romance vs the FemShep/Kaidan romance and I can tell you that FemShep is much better done. And don't even get me started on the bullshit they offered in MEA with Scott/Gil. It has the least amount of time for any romance in the game at 19 minutes. Peebee gets more than an hour of romance content. Please, take your bullshit about catering to gays somewhere else when you have a leg to stand on. I'm merely making an observation not judging people's sexuality. Dude calm down.
Observation: a remark, statement, or comment based on something one has seen, heard, or noticed.
You say that but the evidence runs contrary. That was my point.
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Post by cloud9 on May 16, 2017 10:40:13 GMT
I'm merely making an observation not judging people's sexuality. Dude calm down.
Observation: a remark, statement, or comment based on something one has seen, heard, or noticed.
You say that but the evidence runs contrary. That was my point. But it was never my intent to insult just to observe or you just want to fight over nothing.
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Post by dmc1001 on May 16, 2017 10:51:47 GMT
For the record, "SJW" is a derogatory term. When you throw it out there, there's no way to look at it as anything other than a negative. Now, no one in my life has ever accused me of being an SJW but I do take issue when you claim to "observe" BioWare catering to LGBT people when the overwhelming evidence is that they, at best, take a pass at inclusiveness. In fact, they tend to cater to straight males, and that includes the f/f relationships.
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Post by Deleted on May 16, 2017 13:20:08 GMT
No, I honestly was not understanding what it was you were saying. We agree... "fans" who make death threats are certainly not fans... IMO, neither really are fans who go overboard with their criticisms and fail to try to base them on legitimate defects or "pad" their complaints with requests they know are completely unreasonable or who fail to consider that the company is trying to please a wider, more diverse group who have different likes and dislikes. IMO, everyone should be willing to compromise a bit every now and then. There's reasonable and constructive criticism and then there's overboard reactionism for the sake of sensationalism and creating tensions. A lot of the time, ME "fans" tend to lean towards the latter while claiming the former. As far as I've noticed they cater more to LGBT/"SJW" ( the whole SJW is so lame) than anything else. And BTW the whole "blaming fans for criticism" is just another copout of not accepting responsibility and another thing that the company should realize that it's the fans that pay money for their games so they have every right to criticize their games. I have absolutely no idea why you're bringing sexuality into this discussion. When I'm talking about diverse groups... I'm talking about people who have some different tastes in games. Nothing more. An over-the-top criticism is still an over-the-top criticism... and complaining vehemently about the endings of a game that is five years old and still demanding rewrites to those endings IS over-the-top... regardless of sexuality and even minus death threats. It's indicative of being "stuck" in an obsession and unable to move forward from that. It's indicative of an unwillingness to allow the company to move forward. It's vindictive... and it is a certain group of "fans" that keep spearheading that sort of behavior on sites like this one... starting new threads daily, attacking players who post that they like the games... and on and on and on. Then, to top it all off, whenever anyone calls them on that behavior they sink to new lows... bringing in slanderous terms like SJW into the discussion... ensuring that no reasonable discussion can be had on the matter. People have a right to legitimately criticize... sure... BUT what occurs here on this site and on much of the internet regarding Bioware games much of the time is well beyond reasonable and legitimate criticism. It's vindictive. Demanding a complete revoicing of a game 5 years old is unreasonable; and still demanding a rewrite of the ending IS also unreasonable. Metabombing a game because of another game 5 years old IS also unreasonable behavior. Picking a new game apart on every little detail while forgiving the same sort of flaws in other games IS also unreasonable behavior. Picking that new game apart for years before it was even release is also unreasonable behavior.
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Post by cloud9 on May 16, 2017 17:28:50 GMT
For the record, "SJW" is a derogatory term. When you throw it out there, there's no way to look at it as anything other than a negative. Now, no one in my life has ever accused me of being an SJW but I do take issue when you claim to "observe" BioWare catering to LGBT people when the overwhelming evidence is that they, at best, take a pass at inclusiveness. In fact, they tend to cater to straight males, and that includes the f/f relationships. I meant the whole SJW as a silly way of calling someone who believes in feminism, race issues, etc. People are overusing the term and I know that they cater to straight romances. Once again you want to engage an unnecessary fight over nothing.
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Post by cloud9 on May 16, 2017 17:38:41 GMT
As far as I've noticed they cater more to LGBT/"SJW" ( the whole SJW is so lame) than anything else. And BTW the whole "blaming fans for criticism" is just another copout of not accepting responsibility and another thing that the company should realize that it's the fans that pay money for their games so they have every right to criticize their games. I have absolutely no idea why you're bringing sexuality into this discussion. When I'm talking about diverse groups... I'm talking about people who have some different tastes in games. Nothing more. An over-the-top criticism is still an over-the-top criticism... and complaining vehemently about the endings of a game that is five years old and still demanding rewrites to those endings IS over-the-top... regardless of sexuality and even minus death threats. It's indicative of being "stuck" in an obsession and unable to move forward from that. It's indicative of an unwillingness to allow the company to move forward. It's vindictive... and it is a certain group of "fans" that keep spearheading that sort of behavior on sites like this one... starting new threads daily, attacking players who post that they like the games... and on and on and on. Then, to top it all off, whenever anyone calls them on that behavior they sink to new lows... bringing in slanderous terms like SJW into the discussion... ensuring that no reasonable discussion can be had on the matter. People have a right to legitimately criticize... sure... BUT what occurs here on this site and on much of the internet regarding Bioware games much of the time is well beyond reasonable and legitimate criticism. It's vindictive. Demanding a complete revoicing of a game 5 years old is unreasonable; and still demanding a rewrite of the ending IS also unreasonable. Metabombing a game because of another game 5 years old IS also unreasonable behavior. Picking a new game apart on every little detail while forgiving the same sort of flaws in other games IS also unreasonable behavior. Picking that new game apart for years before it was even release is also unreasonable behavior. They should realize that it's not about them they could either play hard or go home, and if BioWare fixed these problems and listen to criticism they wouldn't end up in this situation that they're in the first place. The problem is EA that is forcing them to meet deadlines which is stupid and that's why the ending is poorly written, and the founders left the company after the debacle in 2012. (That's not a good sign) I wish they didn't sold their company to EA.
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Post by Deleted on May 16, 2017 19:32:14 GMT
I have absolutely no idea why you're bringing sexuality into this discussion. When I'm talking about diverse groups... I'm talking about people who have some different tastes in games. Nothing more. An over-the-top criticism is still an over-the-top criticism... and complaining vehemently about the endings of a game that is five years old and still demanding rewrites to those endings IS over-the-top... regardless of sexuality and even minus death threats. It's indicative of being "stuck" in an obsession and unable to move forward from that. It's indicative of an unwillingness to allow the company to move forward. It's vindictive... and it is a certain group of "fans" that keep spearheading that sort of behavior on sites like this one... starting new threads daily, attacking players who post that they like the games... and on and on and on. Then, to top it all off, whenever anyone calls them on that behavior they sink to new lows... bringing in slanderous terms like SJW into the discussion... ensuring that no reasonable discussion can be had on the matter. People have a right to legitimately criticize... sure... BUT what occurs here on this site and on much of the internet regarding Bioware games much of the time is well beyond reasonable and legitimate criticism. It's vindictive. Demanding a complete revoicing of a game 5 years old is unreasonable; and still demanding a rewrite of the ending IS also unreasonable. Metabombing a game because of another game 5 years old IS also unreasonable behavior. Picking a new game apart on every little detail while forgiving the same sort of flaws in other games IS also unreasonable behavior. Picking that new game apart for years before it was even release is also unreasonable behavior. They should realize that it's not about them they could either play hard or go home, and if BioWare fixed these problems and listen to criticism they wouldn't end up in this situation that they're in the first place. The problem is EA that is forcing them to meet deadlines which is stupid and that's why the ending is poorly written, and the founders left the company after the debacle in 2012. (That's not a good sign) I wish they didn't sold their company to EA. Except... them listening to your criticism means not listing to the opposing criticisms launched by others... and over 5 years of bickering no middle ground seems to have emerged... so they'd be in a similar boat just with the "sides" in this war flipped. It's not unreasonable for them to decide to not rewrite an old game.
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Post by cloud9 on May 17, 2017 1:16:34 GMT
They should realize that it's not about them they could either play hard or go home, and if BioWare fixed these problems and listen to criticism they wouldn't end up in this situation that they're in the first place. The problem is EA that is forcing them to meet deadlines which is stupid and that's why the ending is poorly written, and the founders left the company after the debacle in 2012. (That's not a good sign) I wish they didn't sold their company to EA. Except... them listening to your criticism means not listing to the opposing criticisms launched by others... and over 5 years of bickering no middle ground seems to have emerged... so they'd be in a similar boat just with the "sides" in this war flipped. It's not unreasonable for them to decide to not rewrite an old game. Hey everyone has differences of opinion.
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Post by cloud9 on May 18, 2017 8:39:43 GMT
50 minutes? Fuck that. So I just skipped to a random point of the ME2 one, and he gave a sin for Rana Thanoptis saying the words "it's complicated". That's not even a plot hole. I understand his point of she should never said that phrase in a middle of a situation that she was suspicious of doing but refuse to answer.
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