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Post by cloud9 on May 13, 2017 7:32:54 GMT
This guy nails everything down that BioWare flaws that they could fix if they decide to remake the trilogy.(The guy is a nitpicker though and for only for twists of humor) What do you think?
Me personally I think it would be a very smart thing to do if they decide to reboot and remake the trilogy to rebuild their reputation after the whole Andromeda had a very poor launch. I just hope they've learned their lessons this time.
And if you like the videos be sure to subscribe to this channel GCN m.youtube.com/user/GameCareNetwork
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Post by gothpunkboy89 on May 13, 2017 12:53:54 GMT
If they remaster the trilogy all they will do is up the visuals to be more inline with current gen consoles. Much like how Skyrim was nothing but a graphically updated version of the same game on PS3/360.
That being said I never watched any of the videos. I've seen similar video format for other content and the content creator always comes across as whinny. So not going to bother watching another video in the same format that is just someone looking for any and all reasons and or excuses to complain about something. I can do that in my own head for free and I don't provide add revenue to them doing so.
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Post by dmc1001 on May 13, 2017 22:17:59 GMT
I watched a couple of minutes of the second one. I lost any respect when the reviewer failed to understand that Shepard was held down by grav boots rather than gravity. Shepard even uses grav boots in ME1 to get to the Citadel Tower after going through the Conduit.
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Post by Darth Dennis on May 13, 2017 22:35:49 GMT
50 minutes? Fuck that.
So I just skipped to a random point of the ME2 one, and he gave a sin for Rana Thanoptis saying the words "it's complicated". That's not even a plot hole.
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A remaster should not change anything about the story plot of the game or the game play itself. Reboots, remakes and adaptations are a different matter; but a remaster, by definition, is a re-release of the original with updated graphics and sound. A remaster should stay true to the original regardless of any flaws different individuals perceive... and there is no universal agreement on those flaws anyways. The original ME stories are what they are... and they should stay that way in any remastered version.
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I watched a couple of minutes of the second one. I lost any respect when the reviewer failed to understand that Shepard was held down by grav boots rather than gravity. Shepard even uses grav boots in ME1 to get to the Citadel Tower after going through the Conduit. I figured it would be something stupid like that being brought up. These kind of videos are all the same.
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Post by cloud9 on May 14, 2017 8:49:21 GMT
A remaster should not change anything about the story plot of the game or the game play itself. Reboots, remakes and adaptations are a different matter; but a remaster, by definition, is a re-release of the original with updated graphics and sound. A remaster should stay true to the original regardless of any flaws different individuals perceive... and there is no universal agreement on those flaws anyways. The original ME stories are what they are... and they should stay that way in any remastered version. It would be a smart move to reboot and remake the trilogy but keep the story just edit and fix inconsistencies and that way BioWare's reputation will revover to be the top devs of RPG again.
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Post by cloud9 on May 14, 2017 8:54:46 GMT
I watched a couple of minutes of the second one. I lost any respect when the reviewer failed to understand that Shepard was held down by grav boots rather than gravity. Shepard even uses grav boots in ME1 to get to the Citadel Tower after going through the Conduit. Yeah he did missed that part of how Shep could get around where there's no gravity, but the rest of the video has very valid points like why the Council still denying the Reaper's existence and the Asari councilor simply meld with Shepard to find all the evidence they need to prepare for the threat. The guy may be a nitpicker but he shows a lot of conviction with the inconsistency in Mass Effect though.
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Post by cloud9 on May 14, 2017 9:30:10 GMT
If they remaster the trilogy all they will do is up the visuals to be more inline with current gen consoles. Much like how Skyrim was nothing but a graphically updated version of the same game on PS3/360. That being said I never watched any of the videos. I've seen similar video format for other content and the content creator always comes across as whinny. So not going to bother watching another video in the same format that is just someone looking for any and all reasons and or excuses to complain about something. I can do that in my own head for free and I don't provide add revenue to them doing so. There's an old saying: "Don't judge the book by it's cover". Don't make judgments when you never watch the vids. And the videos are very informative and the guy is hilarious!! Give it a chance.
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Post by gplayer on May 14, 2017 10:51:11 GMT
I really did not watch the vids, probably because I have strong feelings on the matter. Won't go into the ending (dead horse) but I will say I did not like the renegade/paragon options that 'let you have your cake and eat it too'. So for instance passing a reputation check to make Saren/TIM kill himself vs. doing it yourself is fine. It adds to the feel of the story and sometimes saves time from a tough battle. What I did not like were the reputation options for Tali's Loyalty mission. I felt they were opportunities for making real choices and were subverted by a reputation-dialog cop out. For Wrex it definitely made sense since you are convincing one guy to stand down, and you already did a pretty big favor for him before. Similar to the Tali/Legion and Miranda/Jack dispute.
So less use of reputation to avoid making decisions.
Like I mentioned in another thread, I would pay for re-master or redo that: 1- Updated all textures 2- New voice acting for male shep. The rest are fine as is, but male shep Voice actor is the reason I have 1 or 2 male sheps per ME game vs 10 or 12 fem sheps. 3- Complete rewrite of the last 15 minutes of ME3
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Post by gothpunkboy89 on May 14, 2017 12:23:30 GMT
If they remaster the trilogy all they will do is up the visuals to be more inline with current gen consoles. Much like how Skyrim was nothing but a graphically updated version of the same game on PS3/360. That being said I never watched any of the videos. I've seen similar video format for other content and the content creator always comes across as whinny. So not going to bother watching another video in the same format that is just someone looking for any and all reasons and or excuses to complain about something. I can do that in my own head for free and I don't provide add revenue to them doing so. There's an old saying: "Don't judge the book by it's cover". Don't make judgments when you never watch the vids. And the videos are very informative and the guy is hilarious!! Give it a chance. Under normal circumstances you might be right how ever.... I watched a couple of minutes of the second one. I lost any respect when the reviewer failed to understand that Shepard was held down by grav boots rather than gravity. Shepard even uses grav boots in ME1 to get to the Citadel Tower after going through the Conduit. Which is completely in line with this video mentality in which the person there is just complaining for the sake of complaining. 9 out of 10 videos of this nature I question if they actually watched/played the tv show/movie/game.
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Post by Deleted on May 14, 2017 12:23:56 GMT
A remaster should not change anything about the story plot of the game or the game play itself. Reboots, remakes and adaptations are a different matter; but a remaster, by definition, is a re-release of the original with updated graphics and sound. A remaster should stay true to the original regardless of any flaws different individuals perceive... and there is no universal agreement on those flaws anyways. The original ME stories are what they are... and they should stay that way in any remastered version. It would be a smart move to reboot and remake the trilogy but keep the story just edit and fix inconsistencies and that way BioWare's reputation will revover to be the top devs of RPG again. I disagree... remaking the endings has a lot of downside to it as well. Some people here have an agenda about pushing Bioware into that decision, but there is also a significantly less vocal group who believe the work should stay as it was completed despite it being imperfect. One doesn't rewrite the endings to famous novels or movies just because they didn't like how the author originally chose to do it. The work passes into the realm of history... flaws and all intact. In the case of games... there is also the option of using mods available for those players who absolutely insist on a different ending. Bioware rewriting the endings who "stomp" on all those mods. The EC is also actually a Bioware made mod. They could, IMO, make another alternate ending(s) DLC... effectively modding their own game. It would be a cheaper cost, and people would have the option then of using it or not. I would also like them to modify the EC so that, even if it is installed, the player retains the option of using the original endings if they so desire. There should be no need to squelch any of the existing endings in this process, and that way, both the people who do happen to like the existing endings and those who don't can be satisfied. IMO, ME:A now is it's own story. It should be allowed to move forward from that point... and perhaps return some day to the Milky Way... but a Milky Way so changed over time that whatever ending Shepard selected has no visual impact on the state of the galaxy in the new game. At most, the result of the ME3 should be inputted through a keep-like function and reduced to a textual footnote in the new codex. Time... and in this case distance... should be allowed by the fan base to heal all wounds. THAT would be the smart move on the part of fans... we'd get better games out of Bioware in the long run without this "war" with the fans going on over ME3 that's been raging for 5 years now. Peace.
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I really did not watch the vids, probably because I have strong feelings on the matter. Won't go into the ending (dead horse) but I will say I did not like the renegade/paragon options that 'let you have your cake and eat it too'. So for instance passing a reputation check to make Saren/TIM kill himself vs. doing it yourself is fine. It adds to the feel of the story and sometimes saves time from a tough battle. What I did not like were the reputation options for Tali's Loyalty mission. I felt they were opportunities for making real choices and were subverted by a reputation-dialog cop out. For Wrex it definitely made sense since you are convincing one guy to stand down, and you already did a pretty big favor for him before. Similar to the Tali/Legion and Miranda/Jack dispute. So less use of reputation to avoid making decisions. Like I mentioned in another thread, I would pay for re-master or redo that: 1- Updated all textures 2- New voice acting for male shep. The rest are fine as is, but male shep Voice actor is the reason I have 1 or 2 male sheps per ME game vs 10 or 12 fem sheps. 3- Complete rewrite of the last 15 minutes of ME3 Asking Bioware to redo the voice acting is an absolutely ridiculous request for a remaster. Lots of people actually prefer MaleShep to FemShep. (It equates to my saying.. I don't like TW3 and part of the reason for that is I hate Geralt's voice... so I want CDPR to find a different VA for Geralt and redo that game in it's entirety with that different VA.... absolutely unreasonable and ridiculous request).
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Post by gplayer on May 14, 2017 13:07:58 GMT
Asking Bioware to redo the voice acting is an absolutely ridiculous request for a remaster. Lots of people actually prefer MaleShep to FemShep. I don't think I am in the minority here, but I would concede its less of a priority than the other 2 requests.
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Post by Deleted on May 14, 2017 13:17:20 GMT
Asking Bioware to redo the voice acting is an absolutely ridiculous request for a remaster. Lots of people actually prefer MaleShep to FemShep. I don't think I am in the minority here, but I would concede its less of a priority than the other 2 requests. I actually think the polls show that the majority of players play as MaleShep and that there is a significant number who prefer Meer's less emotional delivery to having to suffer thorugh Hale's sexpot lines in ME2.
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Post by dmc1001 on May 14, 2017 13:42:02 GMT
I watched a couple of minutes of the second one. I lost any respect when the reviewer failed to understand that Shepard was held down by grav boots rather than gravity. Shepard even uses grav boots in ME1 to get to the Citadel Tower after going through the Conduit. Yeah he did missed that part of how Shep could get around where there's no gravity, but the rest of the video has very valid points like why the Council still denying the Reaper's existence and the Asari councilor simply meld with Shepard to find all the evidence they need to prepare for the threat. The guy may be a nitpicker but he shows a lot of conviction with the inconsistency in Mass Effect though. There was one other thing. He shows his clear bias against EA right from the start. I've seen other "sins" type videos, and they're generally meant to be tongue-in-cheek rather than believe they're a legitimate review. How can you take someone serious when, right from the start, they tell you they have a dislike for the company putting out the game?
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Post by Monica21 on May 14, 2017 13:45:17 GMT
having to suffer thorugh Hale's sexpot lines in ME2. Hey! What? I play mostly as FemShep and have never heard "sexpot" when she's delivering lines.
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Post by cloud9 on May 14, 2017 13:46:55 GMT
Yeah he did missed that part of how Shep could get around where there's no gravity, but the rest of the video has very valid points like why the Council still denying the Reaper's existence and the Asari councilor simply meld with Shepard to find all the evidence they need to prepare for the threat. The guy may be a nitpicker but he shows a lot of conviction with the inconsistency in Mass Effect though. There was one other thing. He shows his clear bias against EA right from the start. I've seen other "sins" type videos, and they're generally meant to be tongue-in-cheek rather than believe they're a legitimate review. How can you take someone serious when, right from the start, they tell you they have a dislike for the company putting out the game? Hey what can I say? The guy is hilarious.
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Post by dmc1001 on May 14, 2017 14:00:29 GMT
2- New voice acting for male shep. The rest are fine as is, but male shep Voice actor is the reason I have 1 or 2 male sheps per ME game vs 10 or 12 fem sheps. 3- Complete rewrite of the last 15 minutes of ME3 Asking Bioware to redo the voice acting is an absolutely ridiculous request for a remaster. Lots of people actually prefer MaleShep to FemShep. (It equates to my saying.. I don't like TW3 and part of the reason for that is I hate Geralt's voice... so I want CDPR to find a different VA for Geralt and redo that game in it's entirety with that different VA.... absolutely unreasonable and ridiculous request). I'm one of those who definitely prefers the voice of Meers to that of Hale. Wouldn't change that for any reason.
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having to suffer thorugh Hale's sexpot lines in ME2. Hey! What? I play mostly as FemShep and have never heard "sexpot" when she's delivering lines. Specifically, her delivery of the line "I'm just wanting to talk for a bit" when talking with Jacob in ME2 sounds like a come on and is really unavoidable if one wants to talk to Jacob at all in ME2. The line she can revert to when romancing Jacob is actually delivered in a less "come hither" tone. I also find the delivery of many of her lines to border on the "screeching female" stereotype. There was a lengthy thread on this on the old BSN... so I know I'm not alone in this assessment. A lot of people do prefer Meer's delivery to Hale's. The majority have individual lines they don't like in both of their deliveries and lines they like in both as well. For example, IMO - Meer really nailed "the best" line at the end of the Citadel DLC... way better than Hale. Neither performance warrants a demand for a redo... that's just ridiculous. Furthermore, the player can already choose between them... not like in TW3 where one must play as Geralt... "throat cancer" voice and all.
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Post by cloud9 on May 14, 2017 15:36:24 GMT
It would be a smart move to reboot and remake the trilogy but keep the story just edit and fix inconsistencies and that way BioWare's reputation will recover to be the top devs of RPG again. I disagree... remaking the endings has a lot of downside to it as well. Some people here have an agenda about pushing Bioware into that decision, but there is also a significantly less vocal group who believe the work should stay as it was completed despite it being imperfect. One doesn't rewrite the endings to famous novels or movies just because they didn't like how the author originally chose to do it. The work passes into the realm of history... flaws and all intact. In the case of games... there is also the option of using mods available for those players who absolutely insist on a different ending. Bioware rewriting the endings who "stomp" on all those mods. The EC is also actually a Bioware made mod. They could, IMO, make another alternate ending(s) DLC... effectively modding their own game. It would be a cheaper cost, and people would have the option then of using it or not. I would also like them to modify the EC so that, even if it is installed, the player retains the option of using the original endings if they so desire. There should be no need to squelch any of the existing endings in this process, and that way, both the people who do happen to like the existing endings and those who don't can be satisfied. IMO, ME:A now is it's own story. It should be allowed to move forward from that point... and perhaps return some day to the Milky Way... but a Milky Way so changed over time that whatever ending Shepard selected has no visual impact on the state of the galaxy in the new game. At most, the result of the ME3 should be inputted through a keep-like function and reduced to a textual footnote in the new codex. Time... and in this case distance... should be allowed by the fan base to heal all wounds. THAT would be the smart move on the part of fans... we'd get better games out of Bioware in the long run without this "war" with the fans going on over ME3 that's been raging for 5 years now. Peace. It's not just the endings it's other things that need to be fixed and revamp such as the first Mass Effect where they could fix the gameplay flaws like cover system, animations, enemy AI, and everything really. And revamp Shepard's character by playing back stories to get into the character like Origins (even the Uncharted series did an outstanding job of providing a back story of Drake's life of how he became an treasure hunter) and ME:A is a complete disaster and it shows that BioWare is not to be trusted to make the franchise, and it would be a smart move to remake the trilogy to be better than the original to regain the fan's trust. Just my 2¢.
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Post by Monica21 on May 14, 2017 15:46:02 GMT
Specifically, her delivery of the line "I'm just wanting to talk for a bit" when talking with Jacob in ME2 sounds like a come on and is really unavoidable if one wants to talk to Jacob at all in ME2. The line she can revert to when romancing Jacob is actually delivered in a less "come hither" tone. I also find the delivery of many of her lines to border on the "screeching female" stereotype. There was a lengthy thread on this on the old BSN... so I know I'm not alone in this assessment. A lot of people do prefer Meer's delivery to Hale's. The majority have individual lines they don't like in both of their deliveries and lines they like in both as well. For example, IMO - Meer really nailed "the best" line at the end of the Citadel DLC... way better than Hale. Neither performance warrants a demand for a redo... that's just ridiculous. Furthermore, the player can already choose between them... not like in TW3 where one must play as Geralt... "throat cancer" voice and all. I think that's all in the direction and I guess I've just learned to ignore it when talking to Jacob, though I can see how it can seem that way. I do think ME2 pushes a FemShep to romance Jacob, and that's all I took it as. I'd blame whoever told Hale to say it that way rather than Hale herself. I mean, if the intention is to portray a Shepard who's romantically interested in Jacob, then she pulled it off, even if it's out of character. And if that's the only line in ME2 that comes across that way, I don't think it's fair to characterize the entirety of her ME2 performance as "sexpot." As for the rest, I think they both have pluses and minuses. In my playthroughs Hale is far better at a Renegade Shep than Meer is, because he's either murderously angry or mildly annoyed. But hey, that's why we can have choices.
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Specifically, her delivery of the line "I'm just wanting to talk for a bit" when talking with Jacob in ME2 sounds like a come on and is really unavoidable if one wants to talk to Jacob at all in ME2. The line she can revert to when romancing Jacob is actually delivered in a less "come hither" tone. I also find the delivery of many of her lines to border on the "screeching female" stereotype. There was a lengthy thread on this on the old BSN... so I know I'm not alone in this assessment. A lot of people do prefer Meer's delivery to Hale's. The majority have individual lines they don't like in both of their deliveries and lines they like in both as well. For example, IMO - Meer really nailed "the best" line at the end of the Citadel DLC... way better than Hale. Neither performance warrants a demand for a redo... that's just ridiculous. Furthermore, the player can already choose between them... not like in TW3 where one must play as Geralt... "throat cancer" voice and all. I think that's all in the direction and I guess I've just learned to ignore it when talking to Jacob, though I can see how it can seem that way. I do think ME2 pushes a FemShep to romance Jacob, and that's all I took it as. I'd blame whoever told Hale to say it that way rather than Hale herself. I mean, if the intention is to portray a Shepard who's romantically interested in Jacob, then she pulled it off, even if it's out of character. And if that's the only line in ME2 that comes across that way, I don't think it's fair to characterize the entirety of her ME2 performance as "sexpot." As for the rest, I think they both have pluses and minuses. In my playthroughs Hale is far better at a Renegade Shep than Meer is, because he's either murderously angry or mildly annoyed. But hey, that's why we can have choices. There are other lines that are definite come ons... they are just more optional than that particular line and less frequently noted. Part of it is in the set up... i.e. There is no way to really play a romance with her where the LI is the one coming on to her because it's always set up as her being the forward one. It is much the same way with the Male Shep romances though... but Meer has a way of delivering some of those lines (i.e. deadpan enough) that they don't sound quite a "flirty"... and I prefer that. Other things also contribute to the "sexpot" image - her arm waving lope in ME3, for example. The hand on hip stance used frequently for her. Again, none of it is, IMO, bad enough though to warrant a redo.
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Post by Deleted on May 14, 2017 16:02:20 GMT
I disagree... remaking the endings has a lot of downside to it as well. Some people here have an agenda about pushing Bioware into that decision, but there is also a significantly less vocal group who believe the work should stay as it was completed despite it being imperfect. One doesn't rewrite the endings to famous novels or movies just because they didn't like how the author originally chose to do it. The work passes into the realm of history... flaws and all intact. In the case of games... there is also the option of using mods available for those players who absolutely insist on a different ending. Bioware rewriting the endings who "stomp" on all those mods. The EC is also actually a Bioware made mod. They could, IMO, make another alternate ending(s) DLC... effectively modding their own game. It would be a cheaper cost, and people would have the option then of using it or not. I would also like them to modify the EC so that, even if it is installed, the player retains the option of using the original endings if they so desire. There should be no need to squelch any of the existing endings in this process, and that way, both the people who do happen to like the existing endings and those who don't can be satisfied. IMO, ME:A now is it's own story. It should be allowed to move forward from that point... and perhaps return some day to the Milky Way... but a Milky Way so changed over time that whatever ending Shepard selected has no visual impact on the state of the galaxy in the new game. At most, the result of the ME3 should be inputted through a keep-like function and reduced to a textual footnote in the new codex. Time... and in this case distance... should be allowed by the fan base to heal all wounds. THAT would be the smart move on the part of fans... we'd get better games out of Bioware in the long run without this "war" with the fans going on over ME3 that's been raging for 5 years now. Peace. It's not just the endings it's other things that need to be fixed and revamp such as the first Mass Effect where they could fix the gameplay flaws like cover system, animations, enemy AI, and everything really. And revamp Shepard's character by playing back stories to get into the character like Origins (even the Uncharted series did an outstanding job of providing a back story of Drake's life of how he became an treasure hunter) and ME:A is a complete disaster and it shows that BioWare is not to be trusted to make the franchise, and it would be a smart move to remake the trilogy to be better than the original to regain the fan's trust. Just my 2¢. Stop trying to bill it as a "remaster" request then... because it's not. Remaking the same game at this stage will most likely not be profitable for Bioware. It's not going to happen.
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Post by Monica21 on May 14, 2017 16:35:50 GMT
There are other lines that are definite come ons... they are just more optional than that particular line and less frequently noted. Part of it is in the set up... i.e. There is no way to really play a romance with her where the LI is the one coming on to her because it's always set up as her being the forward one. This could just be a response to every romanceable crew member flirting with Shepard, ala ME1, and Shepard having to say, "No, I'm just being nice." I actually thought a lot of male Shep's flirts to be pretty wooden, in that I wouldn't know it was a flirtation unless I knew what that dialogue choice would lead to. Granted, this is with a male Shep and Miranda, because she's the only character I've romanced as male Shep. Oh, certainly not. And, just based on our conversation, much of this can just be chalked up to player perception. Certainly not worth dragging poor Mark Meer and Jennifer Hale back into the studio to re-record the same lines they recorded 10 years ago. (Though I would like an entirely new conversation with the VS on Horizon, but that won't happen.)
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