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Post by DoctorFox on May 13, 2017 17:51:45 GMT
First we learned that Bioware Montreal was being turned back into a support studio and ME was going on hiatus. Now we learn that Bioware Edmonton will be delaying their new IP (code name 'Dylan') for an entire year.
It could be that EA saw how badly ME:A's launch was after it rushed BW Montreal to get the game out the door before it was ready for release. And now they don't want that to happen again with BW Edmonton's new IP.
Or... it could be that EA values the Mass Effect franchise and doesn't want it's cash cow to die. How would you save it? By putting the original trilogy team back on the task. Why would they do this? Because new IP's are risky. EA knows Mass Effect has worked extraordinarily well in the past and before ME:A, the OT's only bad blip was in the final 10 minutes of the 3rd game. And that was due to EA rushing Bioware. But i digress.
The point is, could EA be trying to bully Bioware Edmonton into abandoning 'Dylan' to go fix the Mass Effect franchise? If they are, would BW Edmonton want to abandon their new baby? Would they want to return to the Mass Effect universe? What if they disagreed with EA and refused to fix Mass Effect or make ME:Andromeda 2? My guess is that 'Dylan' would be canned completely and Bioware would get the Westwood Studios/Maxis/Bullfrog treatment and be thinned out until the talent leaves and the studio gets closed.
These are wild speculations of course, but stranger things could happen right?
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Post by kumazan on May 13, 2017 17:57:09 GMT
You guys are going to cause a worldwide shortage of aluminium foil at this rate.
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Post by Deleted on May 13, 2017 18:00:17 GMT
First we learned that Bioware Montreal was being turned back into a support studio and ME was going on hiatus. Now we learn that Bioware Edmonton will be delaying their new IP (code name 'Dylan') for an entire year. It could be that EA saw how badly ME:A's launch was after it rushed BW Montreal to get the game out the door before it was ready for release. And now they don't want that to happen again with BW Edmonton's new IP. Or... it could be that EA values the Mass Effect franchise and doesn't want it's cash cow to die. How would you save it? By putting the original trilogy team back on the task. Why would they do this? Because new IP's are risky. EA knows Mass Effect has worked extraordinarily well in the past and before ME:A, the OT's only bad blip was in the final 10 minutes of the 3rd game. And that was due to EA rushing Bioware. But i digress. The point is, could EA be trying to bully Bioware Edmonton into abandoning 'Dylan' to go fix the Mass Effect franchise? If they are, would BW Edmonton want to abandon their new baby? Would they want to return to the Mass Effect universe? What if they disagreed with EA and refused to fix Mass Effect or make ME:Andromeda 2? My guess is that 'Dylan' would be canned completely and Bioware would get the Westwood Studios/Maxis/Bullfrog treatment and be thinned out until the talent leaves and the studio gets closed. These are wild speculations of course, but stranger things could happen right? Hah¬ EA. EA has been so evil that every decisions they make are now considered as somthing sinister by people. karma
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Post by abaris on May 13, 2017 18:00:27 GMT
Going by what little we know of that new IP, this is going to be an MMO. Hence EAs wet dream with microtransactions galore and many opportunities to cash in for a stretch of time.
So, no, they won't try to convince them to ditch it. Apart from the fact, that I highly doubt that Bioware develops anything these days without the green light from EA.
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Post by Link"Guess"ski on May 13, 2017 18:02:28 GMT
Never. Everything is riding on their new IP while Mass Effect has become a rather toxic brand since ME3's ending controversy and Andromeda has done it no favors. I'm sure Mac and co are sad they have to stop making more of these games. There's always a chance they can return to it but I think part of the reason of the hiatus despite EA looking at where money goes is because BioWare absolutely can't keep up this 3-4 studio thing with so many huge multimillion projects at once, so my bet is that by putting a lid on the Mass Effect department for now and focusing on New IP and Dragon Age next they can improve their work elsewhere. New IP was just delayed and EA ambiguously said it was to improve the online, social aspect and they also mentioned the SWTOR team was building the online infrastructure for them (or helping), so chances are New IP is in the same state as this game was at some point. I don't even expect to see gameplay at E3 this year, because I think BioWare wants it to be as ready as possible before showing anything.
As for why Mass Effect may have been dropped in favor of Dragon Age, well... I think there's more professional interest from old-time BioWare fans, DA:I sold well and it earned GOTY so as far as Electronic "We-only-make-decisions-based-on-statistics" Arts are concerned Dragon Age is a safer bet for BioWare's future and their company's profit going forward. Unless Andrew Wilson understands the appeal of Mass Effect I have the idea that he won't like to see his BioWare subsidiary make another one while he's in charge, because he'll see it as shooting himself in the foot based on Andromeda's market performance.
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Post by DoctorFox on May 13, 2017 18:06:00 GMT
You guys are going to cause a worldwide shortage of aluminium foil at this rate. When talking about any other publisher, my conspiracy theories would be far-fetched. But with EA... we've already seen them pick apart and destroy several dev studios when shit doesn't go their way.
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Post by kino on May 13, 2017 18:08:44 GMT
Doubtful. The most likely reason Dylan was pushed back a year was to ensure that it's as polished as possible, especially since it's new IP. Since Battlefront 2 comes out in Nov. I suspect ME:A staff who worked on the main game were moved over for the final push of BattleFront.
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Post by Deleted on May 13, 2017 18:17:05 GMT
I think some of the higher ups from Bioware went to a party hosted by Bethesda. There was cocaine. There were hookers. Photos were taken. And that's why Andromeda is what it is.
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Post by KaiserShep on May 13, 2017 18:20:34 GMT
You guys are going to cause a worldwide shortage of aluminium foil at this rate. I swear if there's none left by the time Thanksgiving comes around I'm going to hurt people.
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Post by decafhigh on May 13, 2017 18:22:47 GMT
The point is, could EA be trying to bully Bioware Edmonton into abandoning 'Dylan' to go fix the Mass Effect franchise? If they are, would BW Edmonton want to abandon their new baby? Would they want to return to the Mass Effect universe? What if they disagreed with EA and refused to fix Mass Effect or make ME:Andromeda 2? First off, no I don't think that is happening. Secondly to that point I quoted, BW gave up their ability to disagree when they sold themselves to EA. EA makes those decisions. If EA tells them to drop what they are doing and go back to ME then they do it. Doesn't matter if they like it or not. Or they resign/get fired I suppose, but EA makes the call on what they work on and when whether they like it or not.
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Post by abaris on May 13, 2017 18:28:17 GMT
You guys are going to cause a worldwide shortage of aluminium foil at this rate. When talking about any other publisher, my conspiracy theories would be far-fetched. But with EA... we've already seen them pick apart and destroy several dev studios when shit doesn't go their way. It's still far fetched, since it doesn't follow the corporate motto: Make money by any means possible. So yes, it's more than far fetched. It misses the mark by a million lightyears.
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Post by alanc9 on May 13, 2017 18:30:33 GMT
This is just stupid. EA can order Bio to do anything it wants..
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Post by Deleted on May 13, 2017 18:36:55 GMT
Had ME ever pulled CoD or Skyrim sales numbers, EA might be a lot more concerned about the franchise. But in that case, they probably never would have given it to Montreal in the first place.
I expect they're under a fair bit of pressure to make Dylan successful. IIRC, some other secret IP under development was cancelled a few years ago, and Dylan was born. It undoubtedly represents a pretty hefty investment, and it will still be awhile before it generates any revenue.
That said, I'm sure that Edmonton consults with Montreal to help move ME forward. They're working on patches and fixes, and I'd expect those along with some well-received DLCs could do a lot to help the brand.
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Post by paridave42 on May 13, 2017 18:37:40 GMT
I think some of the higher ups from Bioware went to a party hosted by Bethesda. There was cocaine. There were hookers. Photos were taken. And that's why Andromeda is what it is. I totally agree. Maybe that's why they started saying you can still play MEA after the primary mission is finished.
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Post by shechinah on May 13, 2017 18:41:14 GMT
So ditch a game that they've potentially already sunk quite a bit of money into to start on a new game? Basically, throw who knows how much money away to spend more money on something that can't be released for years.
You may think that they can easily go back to the old game after finishing the new one but technology moves forward so by the time they return to the new IP, it may have become outdated so they'll have to start over and spend more money to do so. Splitting the development team would just as bad a decision in a whole different way.
What you propose is politely and briefly put not a very business sound decision and I cannot see EA considering doing so.
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Post by abaris on May 13, 2017 18:41:48 GMT
They're working on patches and fixes, and I'd expect those along with some well-received DLCs could do a lot to help the brand. I'm pretty confident that they keep on patching the game for a while. As far as DLCs are concerned, we're not privy to the actual sales, so that will very much depend on these numbers. Unless they already have something at the ready. Kind of a day 1 DLC they didn't publish so far.
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Post by alanc9 on May 13, 2017 18:45:28 GMT
I expect they're under a fair bit of pressure to make Dylan successful. IIRC, some other secret IP under development was cancelled a few years ago, and Dylan was born. It undoubtedly represents a pretty hefty investment, and it will still be awhile before it generates any revenue. Wasn't that their MOBA attempt? Good thing they had the sense to kill that.
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Post by shechinah on May 13, 2017 18:51:44 GMT
Secondly to that point I quoted, BW gave up their ability to disagree when they sold themselves to EA. Just a small correction: EA purchased the holding company that owned Bioware as well as Pandemic Studios. I don't Bioware could have sold itself to EA.
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Post by shechinah on May 13, 2017 18:57:52 GMT
Going by what little we know of that new IP, this is going to be an MMO. Hence EAs wet dream with microtransactions galore and many opportunities to cash in for a stretch of time. I don't think so. I believe Bioware once showed early footage of a multiplayer or four-player co-op game that they had in the works but the project was shut down as far as I can recall. Bioware is also handling Star Wars: The Old Republic so unless that's being shut down, I don't see EA deciding to set up a new MMO. The new IP will probably be a singleplayer game with multiplayer that has a similar shop to the previous ones. That seems to have been profitable enough given the free DLC it recieved.
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Post by Deleted on May 13, 2017 18:59:44 GMT
I expect they're under a fair bit of pressure to make Dylan successful. IIRC, some other secret IP under development was cancelled a few years ago, and Dylan was born. It undoubtedly represents a pretty hefty investment, and it will still be awhile before it generates any revenue. Wasn't that their MOBA attempt? Good thing they had the sense to kill that. Yeah - my memory is really vague on that, but I believe that's right.
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Post by foxhole on May 13, 2017 19:29:03 GMT
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Post by Doctor Fumbles on May 13, 2017 19:32:58 GMT
Yeah, no. I don't see that happening. Plus, I am kind of excited about Dylan from what they said about it. It sounds like a game from my wet dreams.
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Post by Fen'Harel Faceman on May 13, 2017 19:36:00 GMT
First we learned that Bioware Montreal was being turned back into a support studio and ME was going on hiatus. Now we learn that Bioware Edmonton will be delaying their new IP (code name 'Dylan') for an entire year. It could be that EA saw how badly ME:A's launch was after it rushed BW Montreal to get the game out the door before it was ready for release. And now they don't want that to happen again with BW Edmonton's new IP. Or... it could be that EA values the Mass Effect franchise and doesn't want it's cash cow to die. How would you save it? By putting the original trilogy team back on the task. Why would they do this? Because new IP's are risky. EA knows Mass Effect has worked extraordinarily well in the past and before ME:A, the OT's only bad blip was in the final 10 minutes of the 3rd game. And that was due to EA rushing Bioware. But i digress. The point is, could EA be trying to bully Bioware Edmonton into abandoning 'Dylan' to go fix the Mass Effect franchise? If they are, would BW Edmonton want to abandon their new baby? Would they want to return to the Mass Effect universe? What if they disagreed with EA and refused to fix Mass Effect or make ME:Andromeda 2? My guess is that 'Dylan' would be canned completely and Bioware would get the Westwood Studios/Maxis/Bullfrog treatment and be thinned out until the talent leaves and the studio gets closed. These are wild speculations of course, but stranger things could happen right?
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Post by brandoftime on May 13, 2017 19:47:26 GMT
It's most likely EA who pushed Edmonton studio to do Dylan at the ultimate expense of A team production on Mass Effect. So, no.
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Post by bakgrind on May 13, 2017 19:47:42 GMT
This is just stupid. EA can order Bio to do anything it wants.. In this case it does kind of seem that the future of Bioware depends on their new IP being a success.
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