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Post by Furisco on May 15, 2017 4:07:30 GMT
It amusing me that, with all the bitching, the "direct sequel" option is winning by a landslide in both of these threads. (Not sure why we have two of them.) Either the disappointed fans still want a direct sequel, or the less vocal majority actually likes MEA. While the game had a lot of cool things and some better aspects when compared to the OT, there's a lot of really bad things about this game. I'm hella disappointed with Andromeda but i still want a sequel and i wanna see Bioware getting shit done this time. They CAN do better and they better do it.
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Post by Fen'Harel Faceman on May 15, 2017 4:10:27 GMT
Only when it suits them they are. They certainly didn't bow to vocal requests regarding the ME3 ending and pissed off a lot of people with the Refusal ending and the EC. I can think of many more examples. I never saw the Refusal ending as some kind of middle finger to fans, and I'm guessing that maybe the word "Extended" in Extended Cut was interchangeable with Alternate Ending to a lot of folks. I've been on the board a long time and the Refusal ending did piss off a lot of folks, as did the EC. I stand by what I said.
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Post by Fen'Harel Faceman on May 15, 2017 4:11:37 GMT
It's the same small group being melodramatic from thread to thread. They'll probably work it out of their system eventually. I want ME3 to get a direct sequel. But I'm not being melodramatic. I just really liked the characters from that game and feel as though it didn't have a proper ending. I don't recall calling you melodramatic.
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Post by KaiserShep on May 15, 2017 4:11:37 GMT
It's the same small group being melodramatic from thread to thread. They'll probably work it out of their system eventually. I want ME3 to get a direct sequel. But I'm not being melodramatic. I just really liked the characters from that game and feel as though it didn't have a proper ending. Realistically, a direct sequel to ME3 would probably involve none of the original characters anyway, even the ones that are pretty much guaranteed to survive all the way up to every ending except a low EMS one. I'd be curious to see feedback if an actual sequel to ME3 canonized Destroy, but left Shepard dead and the Milky Way galaxy largely fragmented so we never see the Citadel again.
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Post by themikefest on May 15, 2017 4:11:42 GMT
I like a direct sequel to ME3 I like a direct sequel to MEA I like them to remake the trilogy I like them to have Hawke for another game. Hmmm wrong Bioware team I like them to have the Inquisitor in another game. Damn. I did it again. Wrong Bioware team
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Post by Daft Arbiter on May 15, 2017 4:24:09 GMT
I want ME3 to get a direct sequel. But I'm not being melodramatic. I just really liked the characters from that game and feel as though it didn't have a proper ending. I don't recall calling you melodramatic. I was under the impression all the "ME4" crowd were being lumped in together. My mistake. I want ME3 to get a direct sequel. But I'm not being melodramatic. I just really liked the characters from that game and feel as though it didn't have a proper ending. Realistically, a direct sequel to ME3 would probably involve none of the original characters anyway, even the ones that are pretty much guaranteed to survive all the way up to every ending except a low EMS one. I'd be curious to see feedback if an actual sequel to ME3 canonized Destroy, but left Shepard dead and the Milky Way galaxy largely fragmented so we never see the Citadel again. It's not the ending I had in mind, but I'd gladly accept that scenario. I'd prefer playing as Shepard for sure, but I'm used to game series where the protagonist in one game isn't the protagonist in any sequels. There's just so much that got abandoned for MEA, having the feeling that they're never going back to that rich universe of characters and stories and uncharted worlds is a bitter pill to swallow.
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Post by Element Zero on May 15, 2017 4:24:20 GMT
It amusing me that, with all the bitching, the "direct sequel" option is winning by a landslide in both of these threads. (Not sure why we have two of them.) Either the disappointed fans still want a direct sequel, or the less vocal majority actually likes MEA. While the game had a lot of cool things and some better aspects when compared to the OT, there's a lot of really bad things about this game. I'm hella disappointed with Andromeda but i still want a sequel and i wanna see Bioware getting shit done this time. They CAN do it and they better do it. A reasonable attitude. Reasonable criticism doesn't get an IP shelved. The hint of an outcry on par with the ME3 endings might, in this case. Financial reasons certainly would. Honestly, I suspect that those of us who'd like a sequel are screwed. This game was a bit of a dice roll, or testing of the post-ME3 waters. Unfortunately, those waters are still full of piranhas. Most of the criticism leveled at BioWare hasn't been balanced or sensible since 2010. It wouldn't at all surprise me if ME gets shelved for a long time. I bluntly predicted this outcome just before release, as the "reviews" began to appear. People here got pissy and said I was being overly dramatic. I really wasn't, as time has sadly revealed.
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Post by projectpatdc on May 15, 2017 4:25:31 GMT
Bioware should look at Heir to the Empire. It revitalized a universe because it had a new spin and a good new perspective. You can't make a game with another ancient, advanced, mysterious technology; a normal organic race; and an "ascended" race that "ascends" -or "exalts"- normal races; and humans as newcomers to the galaxy, and expect us to be excited about it. Going to another galaxy still feels to me like running from the endings and a bit of a franchise-milking cop out. If EA isn't willing to own the endings, they should at least try to come up with a new concept. Instead they pulled a Force Awakens and did ME1 again only with less charismatic characters. In short, make MEA2 but get rid of Ryder. Offer a new perspective. Tom Taylorson/Scott Ryder might be my favorite mass Effect human character. I'd be pretty sad to see him go and I really want to see a darker, older version of him.
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Post by Furisco on May 15, 2017 4:31:20 GMT
Bioware should look at Heir to the Empire. It revitalized a universe because it had a new spin and a good new perspective. You can't make a game with another ancient, advanced, mysterious technology; a normal organic race; and an "ascended" race that "ascends" -or "exalts"- normal races; and humans as newcomers to the galaxy, and expect us to be excited about it. Going to another galaxy still feels to me like running from the endings and a bit of a franchise-milking cop out. If EA isn't willing to own the endings, they should at least try to come up with a new concept. Instead they pulled a Force Awakens and did ME1 again only with less charismatic characters. In short, make MEA2 but get rid of Ryder. Offer a new perspective. Tom Taylorson/Scott Ryder might be my favorite mass Effect human character. I'd be pretty sad to see him go and I really want to see a darker, older version of him. Tom did a great job even if the writing of his character wasn't that good.
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Post by projectpatdc on May 15, 2017 4:35:37 GMT
Tom Taylorson/Scott Ryder might be my favorite mass Effect human character. I'd be pretty sad to see him go and I really want to see a darker, older version of him. Tom did a great job even if the writing of his character wasn't that good. As long as he gets better at conducting meetings and has a more tough side to him the next go around, I'm good
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Post by Shinrai on May 15, 2017 6:31:08 GMT
Maybe we'll see a Sequel of ME:A or the Shepard Triology in 10 years or so. Maybe something like the Enderal mod for Skyrim but for ME:A as a fan project. Hopefully not with the same law enfrindgement that they did with the fanmade KoTor Project. Hopefully with a better story pacing and better written characters. Or more interesting npcs as a whole. And I hope they find the airlock to throw those terrible ideas of open world as a must have in Mass Effect out. Maybe let the "exploring" be optional for those who like to drive with the Nomad or get us smaller hubworlds like the Citadel but with wildlife and fauna & shorter but meaningful for the mainstory sidecontent. And maybe - someday - there will be a creative and brave soul that wishes to create appealing character face models out there.
So long I let Mass Effect rather rest - though I was intrigued by ME:A it is the first game I never finished from Bioware. 99 hours in and still can't force me to end the thing. Never had experienced this before. I love the franchise and I hope it will get one day the shining light back that it deserves - created from people who love the franchise and want to tell an engaging story in the ME Universe. Without restrictions from corporations, time or money issues.
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Post by phantomrachie on May 15, 2017 7:25:09 GMT
Direct sequel to Mass Effect 3, yea I went there. Honestly I would take anything other than a ME-Andromeda direct sequel made by the same people, but I will not be pre-ordering again. so a game where you play as Shep in a medically induced coma and then help her go through the months of physiotherapy needed to get her back on her feet after all of her injuries she got during the destroy ending?
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Post by kumazan on May 15, 2017 7:55:40 GMT
Direct sequel to Mass Effect 3, yea I went there. Honestly I would take anything other than a ME-Andromeda direct sequel made by the same people, but I will not be pre-ordering again. so a game where you play as Shep in a medically induced coma and then help her go through the months of physiotherapy needed to get her back on her feet after all of her injuries she got during the destroy ending? Months of physiotherapy like those we got in ME2 I assume?
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Post by phantomrachie on May 15, 2017 8:01:57 GMT
so a game where you play as Shep in a medically induced coma and then help her go through the months of physiotherapy needed to get her back on her feet after all of her injuries she got during the destroy ending? Months of physiotherapy like those we got in ME2 I assume? lol - yeah you're right. I was mostly being hyperbolic to highlight the fact that by the end of ME3 Shep is either dead or has been so injured both physically & mental that she deserves to be able to retire.
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Post by KaiserShep on May 15, 2017 8:05:48 GMT
In a hypothetical post-reaper war game, if Shepard was still a front-line combatant like she was throughout the first 3 games, that would be kind of an insult to the character. Shepard should be like: "What's a bitch gotta do to get some rank around here?"
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Post by Furisco on May 15, 2017 18:01:51 GMT
And I hope they find the airlock to throw those terrible ideas of open world as a must have in Mass Effect out. Maybe let the "exploring" be optional for those who like to drive with the Nomad or get us smaller hubworlds I would love the idea of hub worlds in a new Mass Effect game instead of the huge worlds that we got... The fact that H-047c was great and the best planet by far says a lot about it.
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Post by zanephiri on May 15, 2017 23:13:52 GMT
I prefer a direct sequel as well. I want to see these characters grow - that's what I loved about the OT - and see the writers (or new ones) build on all the things they left open with this one.
I would prefer it if it was less 'we watched The Guardians of the Galaxy and played the Citadel DLC one too many times' and more serious. I don't even mind a jokey tone, but it seemed highly at odds with the story they were telling in this game. And at times it was just too much; it felt like an older team trying to emulate 'youth culture', and the new athletic outfit isn't helping change that idea. Having said that, I do like Ryder and would want them to return, but just be more serious, see them grow up.
I'd also like there to be some actual high stakes next time around, here it just felt like the second Ryder arrives everything only improved. And I never felt like Ryder or the Initiative itself could fail. Even your squad is loyal no matter what. At the very least I would have expected Peebee to walk out if I didn't do her loyalty mission - after all she tells you this is just temporary, you'd assume you have to befriend her to make her consider the Tempest her home.
There are things from this game that I would love to see explored properly. Like the Jardaan, or what the Angara were created for. Was the Scourge a natural phenomenon or a weapon created to fight the Jardaan. And of course more about the Initiative's true beginnings.
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Post by alanc9 on May 15, 2017 23:29:51 GMT
I never saw the Refusal ending as some kind of middle finger to fans, and I'm guessing that maybe the word "Extended" in Extended Cut was interchangeable with Alternate Ending to a lot of folks. I've been on the board a long time and the Refusal ending did piss off a lot of folks, as did the EC. I stand by what I said. Pissing off folks isn't actually proof that the reaction was rational. We can certainly stipulate that plenty of people whined about Refuse, though.
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Post by Fen'Harel Faceman on May 16, 2017 0:26:18 GMT
I've been on the board a long time and the Refusal ending did piss off a lot of folks, as did the EC. I stand by what I said. Pissing off folks isn't actually proof that the reaction was rational. We can certainly stipulate that plenty of people whined about Refuse, though. I don't recall the discussion was about how rational the anger at Refusal was... though I do remember agreeing with those at the time that this was one of many reactions by Bioware that came across as giving customers the middle finger.
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Post by Cyan_Griffonclaw on May 16, 2017 0:29:01 GMT
Pissing off folks isn't actually proof that the reaction was rational. We can certainly stipulate that plenty of people whined about Refuse, though. I don't recall the discussion was about how rational the anger at Refusal was... though I do remember agreeing with those at the time that this was one of many reactions by Bioware that came across as giving customers the middle finger. That was my impression as well.
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Post by PostGameParty on May 19, 2017 2:23:18 GMT
I will buy any game that has Mass Effect in the title if its stylistically consistent with the past 4.
I loved Andromeda. I love Bioware games. I hope this doesn't kill them, people just have meltdowns after every release lol. This is nothing compared to the ME3 SHITSTORM but it reminds me of my own irrational hatred of DAI, which I'm playing again soon to see if I was right.
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Post by KaiserShep on May 19, 2017 3:47:19 GMT
Pissing off folks isn't actually proof that the reaction was rational. We can certainly stipulate that plenty of people whined about Refuse, though. I don't recall the discussion was about how rational the anger at Refusal was... though I do remember agreeing with those at the time that this was one of many reactions by Bioware that came across as giving customers the middle finger. The original endings were pretty goddamn terrible, but I'd be lying if I said I wasn't greatly amused by how angry Refuse made some people. I mean………what did they realistically expect from such an option? OK, the shooting the kid "easter egg" was something, but I was glad to have it, mainly because I got to trick a couple people into taking that option convincing them that it would unlock a secret new ending that changes the entire story.
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Post by clips7 on May 19, 2017 5:16:07 GMT
I would like to see a direct sequel, but the stakes have to be higher, with a more darker tone and theme. With the recordings Ryder found, there has to be some sort of urgency to find out what happened in the Milky Way. I wouldn't mind having Ryder somehow travel back to the Milky Way to find out what happened there while also building upon what he started in the first game and maybe have the Kett or some other entity take advantage of that while the team is split. Alot can happen in 600 years tho....if it was possible for Ryder to go back, at this point the Milky Way i think would have recovered from the Reaper threat. I personally would like Ryder to return to a Milky Way that has been ravaged by the Reaper threat and finding maybe another universal threat that surrounds the dark matter storyline. And maybe using some form of space magic to get to the Milky Way in a much shorter time than 600 years.... .....i think ultimately people want to know what happened in the MW. They need to hire stronger writers for the story and character development tho.
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Post by qunaripenis on May 19, 2017 5:24:17 GMT
As opposed to a poor soundtrack and boring open world simulator. Ugly uninspiring characters and child like writing in Andromeda. I will agree that whoever wrote Morda sucked. Felt like a teen movie. And Vetra complaining about her sister was god awful. And Reyes' gay comments can burn in hell with any other forced flamboyance. The rest was good This along side JillGil's garbage romance and I was pretty much a hand man because of how I was disgusted with the outcome of everything. Also what the hell happened to default Scott? He looks like a freakin' Ken Doll with lipstick now. Out of all the things they updated, that was the most unnecessary.
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Post by bizantura on May 19, 2017 7:03:22 GMT
Stop reading any board with what the fanbase wants.
Choose what genre you want to make and go for it, the hybrid status of MEA isn't working great. If the more RPG-oriented players don't want to follow, have the guts and take the consequences of leaving them behind and state very clearly what kind of game you are making and what the targeted audience is.
Make up your minds if you are making a game for adults or a much broader audience and write/choreographe accordingly. If you want to write for giggling 12-13 year olds scrap the sex scenes.
I am a bit tired of the compromises to keep your revenues intact which is also not working great. In other words, come clean the new audience you capture might surprise you.
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