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Post by jclosed on Jun 9, 2017 16:07:00 GMT
I don't get it. I thought we wanted BioWare not to be lazy with its writing. I assumed your slipping on bars of soap was a joke, and responded in a tongue-in-cheek manner, which I realize is hard to defermine in written form. My overall point is, this game didnt work for many, many people, myself included. In my opinion, the best way to move forward is just to wipe the slate clean and start with a new story. Which could be in Andromeda, but all ties (except an easter egg here or there) with MEA should be cut. At the other hand - It DID work for even more people, so the logic conclusion should be to go on with the story. Like it or not, if the majority of players want a follow-up, Bioware/EA would shoot themselves in the foot if they do a "wipe all clean and start anew". I get it that you would not like that, but personally I think they have laid down a foundation for a new trilogy, and it would be stupid not to follow that road (meanwhile improving things). Anyway - I think we have to wait for the DLC's to see where it is going. If those DLC's bring the story to a (irrevocable) final conclusion, then the next ME would be something completely different. If not, we probably will see thew Ryder twins (or one of the twins) in a new episode, just like Shep in the OT.
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Post by DarkBeaver on Jun 9, 2017 18:15:04 GMT
I think a large number of the people who pre-ordered the game and paid full price if not more for deluxe stuff were fans of the OT, and if they announce MEA2 to be a continuation of the Ryder and Friends story, you will see a LOT less of these. Obviously I dont speak for everyone, but i think there are many like me, who would really have to be won over by reviews and player response post release if that is the route they go. people who waited and got it at 30-50% off, while avoiding most of the troublesome bugs and issues will be much more common.
I think from a business perspective, if you are going to try to get people excited and willing to pay full price, they are better off skipping ahead 200 years and starting fresh and trying to get people intrigued about new chars and a new story. I could be wrong, but that will just save me $60, or $30 if I decide to buy it when it goes on sale.
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Post by decafhigh on Jun 9, 2017 18:19:57 GMT
I think a large number of the people who pre-ordered the game and paid full price if not more for deluxe stuff were fans of the OT, and if they announce MEA2 to be a continuation of the Ryder and Friends story, you will see a LOT less of these. Obviously I dont speak for everyone, but i think there are many like me, who would really have to be won over by reviews and player response post release if that is the route they go. people who waited and got it at 30-50% off, while avoiding most of the troublesome bugs and issues will be much more common. I think from a business perspective, if you are going to try to get people excited and willing to pay full price, they are better off skipping ahead 200 years and starting fresh and trying to get people intrigued about new chars and a new story. I could be wrong, but that will just save me $60, or $30 if I decide to buy it when it goes on sale. I'll be waiting for it to go on sale regardless until BW proves it can ship a polished product again.
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Post by ShadowAngel on Jun 9, 2017 19:58:02 GMT
I think a large number of the people who pre-ordered the game and paid full price if not more for deluxe stuff were fans of the OT, and if they announce MEA2 to be a continuation of the Ryder and Friends story, you will see a LOT less of these. Obviously I dont speak for everyone, but i think there are many like me, who would really have to be won over by reviews and player response post release if that is the route they go. people who waited and got it at 30-50% off, while avoiding most of the troublesome bugs and issues will be much more common. I think from a business perspective, if you are going to try to get people excited and willing to pay full price, they are better off skipping ahead 200 years and starting fresh and trying to get people intrigued about new chars and a new story. I could be wrong, but that will just save me $60, or $30 if I decide to buy it when it goes on sale. Playable races would be big brownie points for me. I honestly don't mind if they were to continue Ryder's story, Ryder wasn't the issue for me, the issue was the story itself being so rehashed and so jokingly light hearted (light hearted is fine, butwhen other characters don't even take you seriously just dear god). There's then the downgrade in various things: the cc, the combat (ability wise specifically), the lack of role playing and exclusion of classes actually mattering, an unstable and copy/pasted multiplayer. Get that story fixed fixed and the big issue is fixed, but getting everything else I mentioned makes it even better. i bought super deluxe edition, I'm a HUGE fan of bioware and the franchise and I was looking forward to Andromeda till I played it.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 9, 2017 20:03:07 GMT
I will buy Andromeda 2 full price no matter what. Whom am I kidding (sigh) I will probably even buy Dragon Age 4 full price even after not liking Inquisition. There is just not anything else out there.
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Post by Fen'Harel Faceman on Jun 10, 2017 7:37:18 GMT
I will buy Andromeda 2 full price no matter what. Whom am I kidding (sigh) I will probably even buy Dragon Age 4 full price even after not liking Inquisition. There is just not anything else out there. I don't think there's anything wrong with that. I'll probably do what I did in the case of Andromeda... check out the news prior to release then try it out for myself with the pre-release feature and then go from there. I lost all respect with the game review industry with ME3, so I won't be relying on them at all.
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Post by Conquer Your Dreams on Jun 10, 2017 8:22:04 GMT
I will buy Andromeda 2 full price no matter what. Whom am I kidding (sigh) I will probably even buy Dragon Age 4 full price even after not liking Inquisition. There is just not anything else out there. "no matter what". That says it all.
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Post by KaiserShep on Jun 10, 2017 8:23:38 GMT
I don't get it. I thought we wanted BioWare not to be lazy with its writing. I assumed your slipping on bars of soap was a joke, and responded in a tongue-in-cheek manner, which I realize is hard to defermine in written form. My overall point is, this game didnt work for many, many people, myself included. In my opinion, the best way to move forward is just to wipe the slate clean and start with a new story. Which could be in Andromeda, but all ties (except an easter egg here or there) with MEA should be cut. It was a joke, but the point is that you can't just arbitrarily gloss over major stuff in the setting just as it's being set up. The Kett empire can't just up and disappear from the setting. It'd be like if the reapers suddenly didn't exist in the story in ME2 and 3 and the trilogy just ended without them. I don't see any meaningful solution in "wiping the slate clean" in this case. If the game is going to be terrible, it won't be because they're following up on threads established by the first game or using the same protagonist. If they write this protagonist or follow-up story poorly in a subsequent, they would've written any new ones poorly as well.
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Post by hostaman on Jun 10, 2017 8:28:11 GMT
You're not going to want to hear this, but ME is dead.
BSN might look like all the ME players but the majority will be casual or first time players who will not trust a sequel. They see the metacritic scores and decide to spend their money elsewhere. Without them to push up the dollar value, it will not be worth EA investing in another giant space opera.
If there is to be another ME, then I would like to see a soft reboot (like Star Wars TFA). The MEA story is too weak, and the enemies too dull to support a sequel.
Even better - Just forget Mass Effect and Let BW design a new space opera using the OT as inspiration. I still have faith in the creative talent, just not in their leadership.
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Post by Conquer Your Dreams on Jun 10, 2017 8:40:19 GMT
Aaryn Flynn teased "Dylan" announcement during E3 on his twitter and i think this is their priority at the moment; i also think E3 is "be or not to be" for Andromeda, cause this is the place where they should announce any incoming DLC or series future; if nothing will happen we can assume MEA is really dead.
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Post by malgus on Jun 10, 2017 9:26:24 GMT
Aaryn Flynn teased "Dylan" announcement during E3 on his twitter and i think this is their priority at the moment; i also think E3 is "be or not to be" for Andromeda, cause this is the place where they should announce any incoming DLC or series future; if nothing will happen we can assume MEA is really dead. they have never announced any bioware dlc at E3 no matter how sucessful the game was. Even dragon age 2 who did not had spectacular sales, it still managed to get 2 dlcs. and none of them were anounced at E 3. By the way dlcs needs time to be made and if they show us something at E 3, it means those dlc would have been made in a short amount of time, in less than 3 months, which is not a good thing, and considering how much efforts they had to put into patches, we are probably going to have 5 months until the first story dlc. That is totally normal since DAI release its first dlc was 4 months after the release and they did not had a controversy and had to put this much ressources into patch as andromeda needed, so its totally normal they are not going to announce dlc for MEA at E3, but that would not mean deaths for ME A, absolutely not.
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Post by Fen'Harel Faceman on Jun 10, 2017 12:24:57 GMT
I will buy Andromeda 2 full price no matter what. Whom am I kidding (sigh) I will probably even buy Dragon Age 4 full price even after not liking Inquisition. There is just not anything else out there. "no matter what". That says it all.
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Post by Fen'Harel Faceman on Jun 10, 2017 12:29:45 GMT
You're not going to want to hear this, but ME is dead.
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Post by DarkBeaver on Jun 10, 2017 14:17:43 GMT
I assumed your slipping on bars of soap was a joke, and responded in a tongue-in-cheek manner, which I realize is hard to defermine in written form. My overall point is, this game didnt work for many, many people, myself included. In my opinion, the best way to move forward is just to wipe the slate clean and start with a new story. Which could be in Andromeda, but all ties (except an easter egg here or there) with MEA should be cut. It was a joke, but the point is that you can't just arbitrarily gloss over major stuff in the setting just as it's being set up. The Kett empire can't just up and disappear from the setting. It'd be like if the reapers suddenly didn't exist in the story in ME2 and 3 and the trilogy just ended without them. I don't see any meaningful solution in "wiping the slate clean" in this case. If the game is going to be terrible, it won't be because they're following up on threads established by the first game or using the same protagonist. If they write this protagonist or follow-up story poorly in a subsequent, they would've written any new ones poorly as well. I think it would be very easy. Setting:Planet Ryder, 200+ years after arrival. The Kett empire has withdrawn from the cluster after a virus created by Dr Lexi Whatever was introduced into their population by Salarian agents. No contact with the Kett has been reported in over 120 years. The Angaran are just another race with a seat on the council, like the Krogan, Salarians, Quarians, Humans, and Turians. All known Remnant sites have been cleared of hostiles. With the councils blessing, a new crew of adventurers is set to depart to the unknown sectors of the galaxy in....Mass Effect Beyond Heleus! There. Slate clean. New protaganist (hopefully of whatever species you choose), new chars, new planets, chance for new first contact with new races, new story...and that's just off the top of my head..there are some very talented people in these forums who I bet could flesh out a new story magnificently.
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Post by KaiserShep on Jun 10, 2017 14:58:18 GMT
It was a joke, but the point is that you can't just arbitrarily gloss over major stuff in the setting just as it's being set up. The Kett empire can't just up and disappear from the setting. It'd be like if the reapers suddenly didn't exist in the story in ME2 and 3 and the trilogy just ended without them. I don't see any meaningful solution in "wiping the slate clean" in this case. If the game is going to be terrible, it won't be because they're following up on threads established by the first game or using the same protagonist. If they write this protagonist or follow-up story poorly in a subsequent, they would've written any new ones poorly as well. I think it would be very easy. Setting:Planet Ryder, 200+ years after arrival. The Kett empire has withdrawn from the cluster after a virus created by Dr Lexi Whatever was introduced into their population by Salarian agents. No contact with the Kett has been reported in over 120 years. The Angaran are just another race with a seat on the council, like the Krogan, Salarians, Quarians, Humans, and Turians. All known Remnant sites have been cleared of hostiles. With the councils blessing, a new crew of adventurers is set to depart to the unknown sectors of the galaxy in....Mass Effect Beyond Heleus! There. Slate clean. New protaganist (hopefully of whatever species you choose), new chars, new planets, chance for new first contact with new races, new story...and that's just off the top of my head..there are some very talented people in these forums who I bet could flesh out a new story magnificently. Sure, a basic synopsis of setting with no actual story is fairly easy. Like I said, this isn't a real solution in and of itself. Like, what's the new enemy? Why couldn't it be introduced in, say, a direct sequel of the game before? It's not like continuing Ryder's story obligates the kett as the sole or even primary baddies in a new game. So other than the "many many" whoevers that have an issue with this game's storyline, what real problem is this angle aiming to solve?
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Post by Garo on Jun 10, 2017 16:02:14 GMT
If anyone would ask me that about 3 months ago, I would say, continue with Andromeda, of course! Now I'm not so sure. If they are going to release half done, poorly written and horrendously animated games like that maybe it's better to stop.
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Post by Conquer Your Dreams on Jun 10, 2017 16:06:48 GMT
Just 3 hours left... i really hope they will at least mention MEA at some point. Silence will be just horrible. Enough that no one from BW or EA doesn't wanna give us ANY info about series future.
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Post by pipip on Jun 10, 2017 17:04:12 GMT
Honestly, I like the game. Had the development been less turbulent, it would have been amazing. I still think it's good. I'd like to see a direct sequel. Now that the tools have been locked down and the engine development has gotten where it needed to be to finish MEA, an MEA2 would have a better starting point.
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Post by DarkBeaver on Jun 10, 2017 23:04:28 GMT
I think it would be very easy. Setting:Planet Ryder, 200+ years after arrival. The Kett empire has withdrawn from the cluster after a virus created by Dr Lexi Whatever was introduced into their population by Salarian agents. No contact with the Kett has been reported in over 120 years. The Angaran are just another race with a seat on the council, like the Krogan, Salarians, Quarians, Humans, and Turians. All known Remnant sites have been cleared of hostiles. With the councils blessing, a new crew of adventurers is set to depart to the unknown sectors of the galaxy in....Mass Effect Beyond Heleus! There. Slate clean. New protaganist (hopefully of whatever species you choose), new chars, new planets, chance for new first contact with new races, new story...and that's just off the top of my head..there are some very talented people in these forums who I bet could flesh out a new story magnificently. Sure, a basic synopsis of setting with no actual story is fairly easy. Like I said, this isn't a real solution in and of itself. Like, what's the new enemy? Why couldn't it be introduced in, say, a direct sequel of the game before? It's not like continuing Ryder's story obligates the kett as the sole or even primary baddies in a new game. So other than the "many many" whoevers that have an issue with this game's storyline, what real problem is this angle aiming to solve? It would solve a number of issues. #1 Ryder's personality. With a new protagonist, you can start fresh, have more variations from evil renegade to serious professional to goofy and snarky, without having to answer, "When did Ryder become so badass?". You could do it, it would just seem inconsistent with MEA. #2. At the end of MEA, the Kett and Remnant are still major players in Heleus cluster. You either have to deal with that in game, or out. If you jump forward, and write them out in a prologue, you can get on to the story without having to spend time dealing with it in-game. #3. New companions. A new protagonist, new crew. I think few people liked more than 2-3 of the companions, and those varied widely. Some hated Peebee, some liked her. Almost no one would miss Liam. I have seen few comments from thise who LOVED Cora or Vetra. Again, starting fresh means you dont have to explain how these chars personality shifted 180 degrees in a day, and there will be those who cannot bring themselves to like them, no matter what changes are made to them. I guess the difference is...would you rather take what is given and totally re-write it, and hope you can change people's opinions, or, (the better option IMO), start fresh and give people something totally new. I will use a food analogy. If I give you brussel sprouts and you hate them, is it better to keep giving you brussel sprouts, but try to put cheese, or sauce, or something so you will like them? Or better to just give you pizza next time? (Nutritional value aside )
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Post by alanc9 on Jun 10, 2017 23:11:17 GMT
New PCs every time works for DA, after all.
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Post by Cyan_Griffonclaw on Jun 11, 2017 1:09:39 GMT
New PCs every time works for DA, after all. I can't tell if you're being snarky, but in my case: it's true. I built a new rig for Origins because my old rig just wasn't good enough. Dragon Age 2 I ended upgrading the CPU and GPU. Inquisition came about and this rig is handling it. I'm building a new rig to accommodate DA4 and DA5. At least that's the goal.
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Post by biotichazard on Jun 11, 2017 2:04:58 GMT
I agree with some posters. ME is dead. I don't mean it's dead to us or to me. I mean the franchise is dead. It's really hard to revive a franchise. How many redoes or remakes have gamers seen? If any exist in the gaming world, I do not know of them. Also, EA has a track record here. Once a franchise peeters out because of bad reception, it never comes back. ME would have died with ME3 SP, but the MP success surprised them and gave it new life. I don't see how the game justifies another sequel after both the SP and MP got panned by fans. I wonder if MEA even broke even. My advice is go find other game series to enjoy while remembering how great the original Mass Effect trilogy was. I hear Bethesda is doing a new sci fi game, and I'm very curious about the cyberpunk game. If EA ever decides to bring back Mass Effect, it will be a long time in the future when all the bad feelings amongst fans have died out. I'm not trying to be dramatic. I really think this is reality.
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Post by KaiserShep on Jun 11, 2017 3:44:11 GMT
Sure, a basic synopsis of setting with no actual story is fairly easy. Like I said, this isn't a real solution in and of itself. Like, what's the new enemy? Why couldn't it be introduced in, say, a direct sequel of the game before? It's not like continuing Ryder's story obligates the kett as the sole or even primary baddies in a new game. So other than the "many many" whoevers that have an issue with this game's storyline, what real problem is this angle aiming to solve? It would solve a number of issues. #1 Ryder's personality. With a new protagonist, you can start fresh, have more variations from evil renegade to serious professional to goofy and snarky, without having to answer, "When did Ryder become so badass?". You could do it, it would just seem inconsistent with MEA. Adding more options doesn't really require a new protagonist, and in a scenario where you skip, say, a few years, shifts in character can be done without seeming totally inconsistent. Like, I'm not exactly the same person I was a few years ago, and I didn't go through nearly as much as the Ryder character has. Just the same, things like "evil renegade", or whatever it is people really think this means, is probably dead and not coming back. A new protagonist is no more likely to provide that option than future iterations of Ryder. The Kett are, but the Remnant aren't. They're not even really enemies so much as they're part of an automated system, and you could potentially skip even just a year and they may no longer be hostile because of the control over Meridian. 200 years forward is in no way necessary to deal with that. In any case, I consider writing out a major faction in a prologue a terrible idea. New companions don't require a huge time jump, but really, new companions don't really require a new protagonist either, as Mass Effect 2 and even 3 are keen on proving to some extent. Garrus and Tali were very different from their ME1 counterparts. There will be those who can't bring themselves to like much of anything. I can't say that I really care about those people. Well, obviously my preference is to take what is already there and build upon it, of course without the flawed premise of hoping to "change people's opinions". Food analogies never really work for these arguments. Regardless, I don't consider this a real solution moving forward, not in the sense like leaving the Milky Way solves the problem of how to go forward without picking a canon ending to Mass Effect 3.
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Post by DarkBeaver on Jun 11, 2017 19:11:39 GMT
It would solve a number of issues. #1 Ryder's personality. With a new protagonist, you can start fresh, have more variations from evil renegade to serious professional to goofy and snarky, without having to answer, "When did Ryder become so badass?". You could do it, it would just seem inconsistent with MEA Well, obviously my preference is to take what is already there and build upon it, of course without the flawed premise of hoping to "change people's opinions". Food analogies never really work for these arguments. Regardless, I don't consider this a real solution moving forward, not in the sense like leaving the Milky Way solves the problem of how to go forward without picking a canon ending to Mass Effect 3. I guess we will have to agree to disagree. For me,I struggle to find anything from this game worth saving. I didnt 'hate' Ryder, but didnt 'love' him either. The Kett seemed like re-skinned Collectors. The Angara were a big disappointment. I dont feel like I need to visit any if the planets again. The combat was good, but you can only drive around fighting the same bad guys and clearing the same random encounter locations so long. The companions? I liked Drack. Peebee and Vetra were ok. Cora was forgettable, and I hated Jaal and Liam. Suvi, Kallo, Gil, and Lexi were all just, meh. I barely talked to them after the first conversation. Unlike Garrus and Tali, etc, who people recalled at least somewhat fondly after ME1 and were glad to return, I dont really even want to see MEA's companions again. Beyond the basic concept of trying to colonize a new galaxy, there just isnt anything worth saving to me. To use your words, taking what is there and building on it....what would you use as the foundation to build on?
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Post by Dr. Vanity on Jun 12, 2017 2:55:38 GMT
Personal opinion is Bioware needs to get back to its roots. ME has drifted away from the formula and style that made the original game great and its gotten worse. Sure, ME2 was top notch for characters and the gameplay was a massive improvement but even it suffered from story degradation and a loss of RPG elements. ME:A tried to be too many different things and sacrificed core ME elements.
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