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Post by vilegrim on May 29, 2017 9:33:06 GMT
I want a sequel to ME3. Pick Destroy as the ending, make a game that takes place a hundred years later. Done. If they want to kill the franchise they can just not make another game, but forcing the shittest ending in bioware history to be cannon? That may actually kill the studio, not just the franchise.
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Post by duelli75 on May 29, 2017 10:02:29 GMT
Well, all anybody really wants, is a complete game and not being a "Beta-Tester". Still disappointed by Mac Walters, Mike Gamble and the likes who said:"Yeah, the game is ready to be released." Even in it's 1.07 state the game needs almost another year development time. Maybe they ran out of money? Anyways 40 million dollars would have been barely enough if MEA had none of that open world crap. @bioware Pick up at least 80 million dollars, if you want the sequel to be as open world as MEA was. Looking at the inflation rate, make it +100 Millions, assuming it'll take another 5 years until we see the next Mass Effect game. An 80 million budget? You'd need to massively outsell any other ME game to break even. Well Andromeda made almost 200 million dollars(~3 million copies) so far. It's not good but also not a financial disaster. Just imagine what they could have done if this game had a budget like the Witcher 3 had(81 million dollars). And that was in 2015. All i wanted to say is, if Bioware wanted MEA to be a AAA-title they need a AAA-budget and at least a few experienced developers. Even ME3 got a bigger budget considering they got 40 million dollars, too. But only 3 years.
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Post by alanc9 on May 29, 2017 16:53:32 GMT
That's confused. EA only keeps all $60 from a direct sale. Physical sales split revenue with the retailer, typically at 50%. So that 3 million copies means something like $100 million in revenue.
I don't know how expensive the ME:A marketing campaign was, but we're talking quite a few millions for the TV spots and so forth.
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Post by ShadowAngel on May 29, 2017 18:47:03 GMT
An 80 million budget? You'd need to massively outsell any other ME game to break even. Well Andromeda made almost 200 million dollars(~3 million copies) so far. It's not good but also not a financial disaster. Just imagine what they could have done if this game had a budget like the Witcher 3 had(81 million dollars). And that was in 2015. All i wanted to say is, if Bioware wanted MEA to be a AAA-title they need a AAA-budget and at least a few experienced developers. Even ME3 got a bigger budget considering they got 40 million dollars, too. But only 3 years. They've got to sell more to make the investment of a bigger budget worth it. Doubtful it'll happen cause bioware games don't sell like the top games do. People ask why bioware gets such a small budget each game, well it's because they can't over extend on it in case a game does bomb, or else they lose far more than they should. Get a game to sell 10+ copies and maybe you'd see a budget increase, till then they've got to make do like they always have. Plus, throwing money at a game doesn't make it better, in fact, I'd say it can actually hurt more than anything cause you then have them tinkering around with things before making a decision on what to do.
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Post by duelli75 on May 29, 2017 21:12:44 GMT
That's confused. EA only keeps all $60 from a direct sale. Physical sales split revenue with the retailer, typically at 50%. So that 3 million copies means something like $100 million in revenue. I don't know how expensive the ME:A marketing campaign was, but we're talking quite a few millions for the TV spots and so forth. What physical sales? And TV spots? There were none to speak of really. The marketing was short and therefore really cheap.
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Post by Cannibal on May 29, 2017 21:20:11 GMT
Either direct sequel, or just throw the IP in the trash bin til you hire some actual writers again.
The problems that the game has on a technical level, can be improved on by the same people that made it initially, they'll get better at their jobs.
But the writing, these writers aren't going to get better, this is what we will be getting going forward, I expect DA4 to be about the same level, maybe worse.
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Post by KaiserShep on May 29, 2017 22:46:26 GMT
Either direct sequel, or just throw the IP in the trash bin til you hire some actual writers again. The problems that the game has on a technical level, can be improved on by the same people that made it initially, they'll get better at their jobs. But the writing, these writers aren't going to get better, this is what we will be getting going forward, I expect DA4 to be about the same level, maybe worse. Who says that DA4 is using the same writers?
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Post by Cannibal on May 29, 2017 23:16:51 GMT
Either direct sequel, or just throw the IP in the trash bin til you hire some actual writers again. The problems that the game has on a technical level, can be improved on by the same people that made it initially, they'll get better at their jobs. But the writing, these writers aren't going to get better, this is what we will be getting going forward, I expect DA4 to be about the same level, maybe worse. Who says that DA4 is using the same writers? They might not be the same, but they're at the same level. Except Weekes is weaker than Walters.
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Post by cloud9 on Jun 4, 2017 2:55:06 GMT
Move as far away from Andromeda as possible, start fresh with new people involved or head back to the milkyway. I agree because the game is a disaster and they have 5 friggin' years to make the game. And it looks like shit? They need to get their shit together because they will be someone who will make the game better than Mass Effect.
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Post by SwobyJ on Jun 4, 2017 4:14:39 GMT
This is a bit difficult, I wish we could pick a Top 2 or 3.
Am I good with a second (or maybe even more) game with Ryder and an Andromedan continuity? Sure. Do much better, but sure. Hope that SP DLC happens that has me more enjoying of the setting.
But perhaps more of an indirect sequel. I've said how I'm good with a 'fresh start' (as I see it), with an ark more revolving around Andromeda (sure, though the writing to enforce that in MEA was too heavy handed for my liking). But involve Milky Way more. Up to (whether in a next game or beyond) revelations about ME3. Calm any replies - this is just me, my opinion, where I've arrived.
So to express this, I'm going with Option 2.
Make things just more ...compelling. To me, that can mean expanding existing MEA into something bigger and more interesting, but it can also mean a few new thing, ...but it can also mean the journeys of the past meaning more than one may think.
-Direct Sequel to ME3: No, I think that has passed. However, I have never dropped it, never dropped the galaxy, never dropped Shepard (however I agree with any sentiments of Bioware that Shepard's story has 'ended', but more in terms of never protagonist and core element of things again). -Direct Sequel to MEA: I have doubts it would be responded to well. I know I won't be preordering, etc. -First Contact War: Side game. -Prothean Cycle: Uh no.. however, I wouldn't mind at all weird storytelling putting us there. -Let Mass Effect rest in its grave: I have enough in me to give a last chance. Guess I'll have to wait for Dylan, DA4, maybe more, before that though.
Just make a goddamn great Mass Effect game. That's all.
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Post by Fen'Harel Faceman on Jun 4, 2017 8:06:13 GMT
Move as far away from Andromeda as possible, start fresh with new people involved or head back to the milkyway. I agree because the game is a disaster and they have 5 friggin' years to make the game. And it looks like shit? They need to get their shit together because they will be someone who will make the game better than Mass Effect. I wonder how long they've had to make the game? It hasn't been mentioned before, anywhere.
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Post by thelonelypoet on Jun 4, 2017 9:14:16 GMT
Sequel to Andromeda feels like a most logical answer and a route I would have expected couple a months ago, but I seriously don't trust enough to this team atm to make it wortwhile. I don't think they have more resources to spend than to Andromeda and it seems that 40 millions wasn't even enough.
IF they fix the face creation, bring back the most beautiful asari and correct enough things with a DLC, I consider changing my attitude towards MEA2. Otherwise, I will be bold enough to send my CV to the writing team and offer my ideas (not even joking) how to change the course at BioWare. Starting with going back to the old days and real rpg's without forgetting multiplayer community - which has decreased since ME3MP.
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Post by Zemgus on Jun 4, 2017 9:22:26 GMT
I answered '100-200 years in the future' but I feel like MEA has made me lose interest in Mass Effect entirely, at least for now. But who knows it's probably going to be a long time before there's - or IF there's - another Mass Effect game. If it's a direct sequel however with Ryder as the protagonist then it's not for me.
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Post by mugwump v1 on Jun 4, 2017 16:11:51 GMT
Whatever their approach, i'd like to see a leadership change and big investment in better writing staff.
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Post by djbare on Jun 4, 2017 16:22:34 GMT
A direct sequel, I'm on my fifth play through, archiving my saves as I go, I want to carry those forward, especially as there is obviously unfinished business with some major characters.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 4, 2017 17:11:47 GMT
Many people said the Assassin's Creed series should stop after AC3 but we would never have gotten Black Flag if they did. So direct sequel
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Post by Atemporal Vanguardian-Debugger on Jun 4, 2017 22:11:26 GMT
Would not a sequel to ME3 set 2000 years also be a sequel to MEA as well?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 5, 2017 2:42:46 GMT
I think they should go in another direction with different leadership. They probably won't do that though.
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Post by KaiserShep on Jun 5, 2017 3:38:10 GMT
Would not a sequel to ME3 set 2000 years also be a sequel to MEA as well? Not really.
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Post by marshalmoriarty on Jun 5, 2017 4:01:30 GMT
The quality of the writing really needs to be addressed. The overly simplistic trends of Politicians and Bereaucrats = bad, maverick space cowboys = good is wearing very thin. And I insist that the Kett and Remnant were dull and the Angara weren't much better. Tbey'll get nowhere by focusing on such things again.
Even as someone who quite enjoyed MEA, its hard to know where they could go. Because the whole main plot with the Kett and Remnant was such unutterly dull sub Halo tripe. By far my least favkrite thing about the game.
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Post by The Biotic Trebuchet on Jun 5, 2017 5:32:08 GMT
How should uncle Bio move foward? oh wait, wrong place. Leave MEA2 to Edmont or whoever did the OT...
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Post by cloud9 on Jun 5, 2017 16:34:20 GMT
Ignore MEA and make a new one that plays out in the milky way some time after the reaper war. Have no direct connection with anything from the original trilogy. Let players play any of the alien races, don't make the player some big shot like n7/spectre/pathfinder. Instead just be smaller no-name captain of a ship, lawless pirates, legal shipping, whatever and build some story from there. Nothing big to save the whole galaxy n what not, since nothing can top the original trilogy so don't even try. If anything then let the player and companions be a small cog in a bigger story that can span several games, also if they are going to let us continue with the same character in sequal games, then let us keep the companions. Don't repeat Liara/Jack.... Let us decide which companions we want, for example if we want to play a bad person then let us space the companion if we think s/he's worthless(Looking at you Cora and Liam). Better than a sequel to ME:A (they should've kept that game) and more freedom to do whatever you want and make your own story. I like this idea.
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Post by griffith82 on Jun 6, 2017 18:09:33 GMT
I want a sequel to ME3. Pick Destroy as the ending, make a game that takes place a hundred years later. Done. Yeah no just no. There is still way much more to do in Andromeda many more clusters to explore.
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Post by ShadowAngel on Jun 6, 2017 18:22:10 GMT
I think they should go in another direction with different leadership. They probably won't do that though. Doubtful. They're adding on more studios to expand. One studio will most likely head one franchise and the other one the other. I imagine we're stuck with Montreal being head of ME, but I'm at least hoping they'll do better next time since this was their first full game. really it's at a point where any franchise could take a blow. Move the experienced team to ME and DA may suffer from it, move them to DA and ME suffers. Can't forget they also have the Dylan project going at full sail right now as well.
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Post by auu on Jun 7, 2017 4:20:03 GMT
I want a sequel to ME3. Pick Destroy as the ending, make a game that takes place a hundred years later. Done. Yeah no just no. There is still way much more to do in Andromeda many more clusters to explore. And there were still places to explore in the milky way. Bioware was just too much of a wimp to piss off the babies with picking an ending.
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