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Post by mordrek on May 15, 2017 23:56:22 GMT
That truly is the scary thing, that who ever was in charge thought the writing was great and ready for the masses. How could no one say anything? You do realize that the quality of the writing is subjective yes? I'm about 5 hours in and I like it so far. All ratings/reviews are subjective, unless you have some concrete measurement you are comparing them to, like say a car going 0-60, then it's objective. I've never understood why people feel the need to say something is subjective when it comes to writing, it's like saying the sky is blue, or ice is cold. |
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Post by Cyan_Griffonclaw on May 15, 2017 23:58:26 GMT
Okay, then. With being said, I'm excited. Dylan and DA4 are on the docket. HR, from what it sounds like, hit the hard 'reset' button. Marketing still is as useless as my nipples. But overall, from what I little I know and just hear from amateur YouTubers is that Bioware listened. They still need their own official forums or put on payroll the guys that made this forum happen. Communication is so important when it comes to the art Bioware makes. It's not a single artist on an easel. It's not a musician or even a band making music. It's not a single author putting out a book. It's an amalgamation of all these things and INTERACTIVITY. Bioware is, in my opinion, a master of this medium. It's not alone, though. CD ProjektRed, Rockstar and even Bethesda to some extent are making their case to be better than Bioware. Fans of CDPR have already claimed that title, and frankly, I can't disagree. Do I love competition? You bet I do. It's what spurs and motivates to be better than your current state. Do I believe Bioware 2.0 is better than Bioware 1.0? Not yet, but do I see improvement? Yes and they're going to eventually earn that Bioware reputation. Right now, they're still baptized by fire thanks to Frostbite. Edmonton has to lead by example, and I'm sorry, but everything wrong with Inquisition was played out in Andromeda. Montreal is not to blame for that. I also believe there was a near-catastrophic failure by HR and PR because you don't lose leads like that and in that number no matter how big the project is. NASA had less employees on the Rover missions and they made unsung history. The hours were terrible, the funding was always questionable, but they were passionate about what they did. They poured love into their work. I saw that in a lot of places in Andromeda, but for every "Woohoo! moment, there was "F***! I just replayed this m*****f*****ing level. (CENSOR ME FOR ABOUT 50 SECONDS. IMAGINE TOURRETTE'S ON SUPER CRACK.) I'm so tired of this bullcrap." I ENVY the gamers that said they had no issues. ENVY THEM. Anyway, I ramble, but I love Bioware's artistry in all its complicated levels. As long as they stick to being genuine, the competition will always admire from 2nd place. As much as I wish they hadn't and miss the old forums I don't blame them for closing them down. This place, and that place, somtimes it was really tough finding diamonds in all the crap that was being forced around. All of the "I didn't like this game for *insert reason that clearly indicates that they did not actually play the game*" I think any official forum needs to come with a game validation key. That way, you can track hours and achievement on your terms, not through a random email. If a person with a complaint of 20 hours in is going to have a hell of a lot more weight than someone who clocked at under 2 hours. When I hear some nitpicking, it's nitpicking but I would address it nonetheless as "Something we'll put on our notepads the next time we discuss the new title or address with our limited DLC team." Something like that. Communication is not a given role. People that are adept at communicating (like SofaJockey) are clear examples of this and these are the unofficial forums. They're doing WAY BETTER... WAYYYYYYYYYY BETTER... than the mooks at the official ones. |
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Post by colfoley on May 16, 2017 0:04:34 GMT
As much as I wish they hadn't and miss the old forums I don't blame them for closing them down. This place, and that place, somtimes it was really tough finding diamonds in all the crap that was being forced around. All of the "I didn't like this game for *insert reason that clearly indicates that they did not actually play the game*" I think any official forum needs to come with a game validation key. That way, you can track hours and achievement on your terms, not through a random email. If a person with a complaint of 20 hours in is going to have a hell of a lot more weight than someone who clocked at under 2 hours. When I hear some nitpicking, it's nitpicking but I would address it nonetheless as "Something we'll put on our notepads the next time we discuss the new title or address with our limited DLC team." Something like that. Communication is not a given role. People that are adept at communicating (like SofaJockey) are clear examples of this and these are the unofficial forums. They're doing WAY BETTER... WAYYYYYYYYYY BETTER... than the mooks at the official ones. Oh I like that idea. I like that idea a lot. |
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Post by Deleted on May 16, 2017 1:21:27 GMT
It also provoked one of the biggest internet reactions I've ever seen. They should have had real different endings, how could they get it so wrong. At least 6, with real different outcomes etc Defeat the reapers, survive, live happily ever after and relax with some beers and squad on the beach and so on and son etc There was real, different endings. It's just the internet boiled everything down to a different color, and thought they were all the same. Even after the EC, they thought there wasn't enough of a difference. That's on them, not on Bioware. |
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Post by Daft Arbiter on May 16, 2017 1:41:32 GMT
They should have had real different endings, how could they get it so wrong. At least 6, with real different outcomes etc Defeat the reapers, survive, live happily ever after and relax with some beers and squad on the beach and so on and son etc There was real, different endings. It's just the internet boiled everything down to a different color, and thought they were all the same. Even after the EC, they thought there wasn't enough of a difference. That's on them, not on Bioware. Real different endings where most of the audience's biggest questions were simply not answered. |
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Post by The Twilight God on May 16, 2017 2:01:41 GMT
Would you play it instead of another Andromeda chapter/game? Assuming they could make it work story wise. This is purely hypothetical, Andromeda isn't doing as well as they would have hoped and they're going back to Shepard. Would you prefer that or would you prefer a new Andromeda game? I'll be honest, I'm biased, for me the Mass Effect games were all about Shepard and his/her relationships, adventures and just the general gameplay really.
They will never go back to Shepard. It's a stupid idea. Even hypothetically. The only way Shepard comes back is if they reboot the series and start from scratch with a reimagined ME1 with a different take on the Reapers. Which I doubt they'll do and hope they don't because they lack the writing talent, forethought or managerial personnel to do it properly. It's amazing the original trilogy came out as well as it did considering they were making it up as they went with nobody thinking about consistency at all.
Now they can do the "direct" sequel that A.) Acknowledges Destroy as the canon ending (nobody is going to cry about this), B.) takes place hundreds of years after ME3, C.) Features Leviathans as the antagonist and D.) features old squadmates and direct references to them.
Characters like Matriarch Liara, Clan chief Urdnot Grunt, references like Wrex was the first Krogan to die of old age in the entire history of the krogan. I think they could actually explore true synthesis and not reaperization that occurred in the green ending and how it may be necessary to combat the Leviathans control. It would also be cool to have options for the main character like the backgrounds in ME1 like "being a child of Shepard and Liara for Asari. And oh, yes, drop the human-only bullshit. They need to own up to those broken relays and Earth should be this melting pot society were all the races were stranded there and formed a unified society, but now they have advanced to the point where they are reconnecting with the other societies. So when you meet the asari again they could be warlike and the turians more peaceful and less militaristic. Krogans being an race of intellectual philosophers. Salarians, being mostly untouched by the Reapers, may be even snootier as they may be more advanced than the other races. Given that the fact that the Leviathans only need to get to the delatesses the Salarians could be the unwitting Geth/Collectors of the new game. But at first you don't realize it's the Leviathans behind their aggression. Maskless qurians maybe actually being a synthesized race having combined with the Geth willingly and maybe being the ones who close the tech gap and make the first contact with Earth. Although we know they'll make earth the special culture that fixes the galaxy because of diversity and crap. I'm just saying stuff of the top of my head here. I could craft a good story with this thought... :ulikeit:
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Post by dragontartare on May 16, 2017 2:19:11 GMT
Would you play it instead of another Andromeda chapter/game? Assuming they could make it work story wise. This is purely hypothetical, Andromeda isn't doing as well as they would have hoped and they're going back to Shepard. Would you prefer that or would you prefer a new Andromeda game? I'll be honest, I'm biased, for me the Mass Effect games were all about Shepard and his/her relationships, adventures and just the general gameplay really.
They will never go back to Shepard. It's a stupid idea. Even hypothetically. The only way Shepard comes back is if they reboot the series and start from scratch with a reimagined ME1 with a different take on the Reapers. Which I doubt they'll do and hope they don't because they lack the writing talent, forethought or managerial personnel to do it properly. It's amazing the original trilogy came out as well as it did considering they were making it up as they went with nobody thinking about consistency at all.
Now they can do the "direct" sequel that A.) Acknowledges Destroy as the canon ending (nobody is going to cry about this), B.) takes place hundreds of years after ME3, C.) Features Leviathans as the antagonist and D.) features old squadmates and direct references to them.
Characters like Matriarch Liara, Clan chief Urdnot Grunt, references like Wrex was the first Krogan to die of old age in the entire history of the krogan. I think they could actually explore true synthesis and not reaperization that occurred in the green ending and how it may be necessary to combat the Leviathans control. It would also be cool to have options for the main character like the backgrounds in ME1 like "being a child of Shepard and Liara for Asari. And oh, yes, drop the human-only bullshit. They need to own up to those broken relays and Earth should be this melting pot society were all the races were stranded there and formed a unified society, but now they have advanced to the point where they are reconnecting with the other societies. So when you meet the asari again they could be warlike and the turians more peaceful and less militaristic. Krogans being an race of intellectual philosophers. Salarians, being mostly untouched by the Reapers, may be even snootier as they may be more advanced than the other races. Given that the fact that the Leviathans only need to get to the delatesses the Salarians could be the unwitting Geth/Collectors of the new game. But at first you don't realize it's the Leviathans behind their aggression. Maskless qurians maybe actually being a synthesized race having combined with the Geth willingly and maybe being the ones who close the tech gap and make the first contact with Earth. Although we know they'll make earth the special culture that fixes the galaxy because of diversity and crap. I'm just saying stuff of the top of my head here. I could craft a good story with this thought... :ulikeit:
You got me thinking. I would enjoy a Milky Way game with the Leviathans as the antagonist. It could be set far enough in the future that the Leviathans have once again subjugated the other races and obscured their history, allowing some customized ME3 ending details to be discovered throughout the course of the game, without the developers having to account for huge visual or functional variations. The game could center around a group trying to overthrow Leviathan, which should prove interesting...provided they aren't too reaper-ish as antagonists. |
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Post by gkonone on May 16, 2017 3:06:02 GMT
Would you play it instead of another Andromeda chapter/game? Assuming they could make it work story wise. This is purely hypothetical, Andromeda isn't doing as well as they would have hoped and they're going back to Shepard. Would you prefer that or would you prefer a new Andromeda game? I'll be honest, I'm biased, for me the Mass Effect games were all about Shepard and his/her relationships, adventures and just the general gameplay really.
They will never go back to Shepard. It's a stupid idea. Even hypothetically. The only way Shepard comes back is if they reboot the series and start from scratch with a reimagined ME1 with a different take on the Reapers. Which I doubt they'll do and hope they don't because they lack the writing talent, forethought or managerial personnel to do it properly. It's amazing the original trilogy came out as well as it did considering they were making it up as they went with nobody thinking about consistency at all.
Now they can do the "direct" sequel that A.) Acknowledges Destroy as the canon ending (nobody is going to cry about this), B.) takes place hundreds of years after ME3, C.) Features Leviathans as the antagonist and D.) features old squadmates and direct references to them.
Characters like Matriarch Liara, Clan chief Urdnot Grunt, references like Wrex was the first Krogan to die of old age in the entire history of the krogan. I think they could actually explore true synthesis and not reaperization that occurred in the green ending and how it may be necessary to combat the Leviathans control. It would also be cool to have options for the main character like the backgrounds in ME1 like "being a child of Shepard and Liara for Asari. And oh, yes, drop the human-only bullshit. They need to own up to those broken relays and Earth should be this melting pot society were all the races were stranded there and formed a unified society, but now they have advanced to the point where they are reconnecting with the other societies. So when you meet the asari again they could be warlike and the turians more peaceful and less militaristic. Krogans being an race of intellectual philosophers. Salarians, being mostly untouched by the Reapers, may be even snootier as they may be more advanced than the other races. Given that the fact that the Leviathans only need to get to the delatesses the Salarians could be the unwitting Geth/Collectors of the new game. But at first you don't realize it's the Leviathans behind their aggression. Maskless qurians maybe actually being a synthesized race having combined with the Geth willingly and maybe being the ones who close the tech gap and make the first contact with Earth. Although we know they'll make earth the special culture that fixes the galaxy because of diversity and crap. I'm just saying stuff of the top of my head here. I could craft a good story with this thought... :ulikeit:
How is it a stupid idea though? I've reread your post a couple of times and I couldn't find the reason it's a stupid idea, unless the argument is 'Shepard's story is done'. A story is done when it's done, it's very easy to come up with another story. And I'm sure it's very easy to retcon or just resolve the ending of ME3 so it would make sense. I've seen people saying that Shepard saved the galaxy and faced the biggest threats there are, so what is Ryder doing right now? Shepard could be dealing with a similar situation, wouldn't make it less of a story. I am almost 100% sure that if Bioware made the ending of ME3 so Shepard would live on and would be ready for another adventure, most people would be fine with it. It's just crappy writing that put the trilogy where it is now. I mean, the trilogy was a big success, why not continue with at least another game? If you only consider all the threads about companions and how much people love them. I think Bioware shot themselves in the foot with they way the handled the ending. |
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Post by gkonone on May 16, 2017 3:26:06 GMT
Would you play it instead of another Andromeda chapter/game? Assuming they could make it work story wise. This is purely hypothetical, Andromeda isn't doing as well as they would have hoped and they're going back to Shepard. Would you prefer that or would you prefer a new Andromeda game? I'll be honest, I'm biased, for me the Mass Effect games were all about Shepard and his/her relationships, adventures and just the general gameplay really. I'd prefer to have BW give Shep her/his due and retire them to a well earn rest, off with their LI and loyal crew on other tasks. I'd prefer to have more adventures in the Milky Way with another / other protags and crew. I've been on the fence (50/50) when MEA was announced, not really liking the idea but not going to condemn it until the product is out. Well, it's out. While it's not a terrible product, it's not good either. For me, ME ended with the MET. I don't get the whole retirement argument, it's not as if Shepard is 65 or so. If you're tired of Shep, fair enough. I think it would have been awesome to expand more on the love interests you've encountered in the previous games. How awesome would it be to see them after all those years, on a new adventure? Reminiscing, thinking about the good old days. Connecting and bonding again, exploring deeper levels, partly because of past experiences. To me it feels almost like one of those heist movies, where the crew meets up again after the last heist, getting ready for it again. I would have loved to see that. A bit of a homecoming, the feels you got when you saw Garrus again in ME2 for instance. Anyway, I'm in a minority here, I still hope they bring Shep back again. Although it's probably gonna take a long time if ever. |
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Post by KaiserShep on May 16, 2017 3:31:50 GMT
You know, even if the ending of ME3 had Shepard come out perfectly OK and alive, simply throwing them back into a combat adventure seems like terrible treatment of the character. I'd bet Hackett didn't do half the crazy shit Shepard did before becoming Admiral, so why can't Shepard get some more stripes or something?
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Post by alanc9 on May 16, 2017 3:45:00 GMT
There was real, different endings. It's just the internet boiled everything down to a different color, and thought they were all the same. Even after the EC, they thought there wasn't enough of a difference. That's on them, not on Bioware. Real different endings where most of the audience's biggest questions were simply not answered. What questions are those, exactly? Can you list the top three? |
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Post by Obsidian Gryphon on May 16, 2017 3:54:35 GMT
I'd prefer to have BW give Shep her/his due and retire them to a well earn rest, off with their LI and loyal crew on other tasks. I'd prefer to have more adventures in the Milky Way with another / other protags and crew. I've been on the fence (50/50) when MEA was announced, not really liking the idea but not going to condemn it until the product is out. Well, it's out. While it's not a terrible product, it's not good either. For me, ME ended with the MET. I don't get the whole retirement argument, it's not as if Shepard is 65 or so. If you're tired of Shep, fair enough. I think it would have been awesome to expand more on the love interests you've encountered in the previous games. How awesome would it be to see them after all those years, on a new adventure? Reminiscing, thinking about the good old days. Connecting and bonding again, exploring deeper levels, partly because of past experiences. To me it feels almost like one of those heist movies, where the crew meets up again after the last heist, getting ready for it again. I would have loved to see that. A bit of a homecoming, the feels you got when you saw Garrus again in ME2 for instance. Anyway, I'm in a minority here, I still hope they bring Shep back again. Although it's probably gonna take a long time if ever.  I wasn't arguing anything, merely stating my preference. The immense expanse of the Milky Way with thousands of possibilities. Diversity. I'd like to experience the galaxy of ME in the MW from another POV; non-human. Hence, my inclination to retire Shep and Co. They could come back but in secondary roles when the story calls for it. It's unlikely to happen but this is what I'd like to see. |
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Post by dragontartare on May 16, 2017 3:55:19 GMT
I'd prefer to have BW give Shep her/his due and retire them to a well earn rest, off with their LI and loyal crew on other tasks. I'd prefer to have more adventures in the Milky Way with another / other protags and crew. I've been on the fence (50/50) when MEA was announced, not really liking the idea but not going to condemn it until the product is out. Well, it's out. While it's not a terrible product, it's not good either. For me, ME ended with the MET. I don't get the whole retirement argument, it's not as if Shepard is 65 or so. If you're tired of Shep, fair enough. I think it would have been awesome to expand more on the love interests you've encountered in the previous games. How awesome would it be to see them after all those years, on a new adventure? Reminiscing, thinking about the good old days. Connecting and bonding again, exploring deeper levels, partly because of past experiences. To me it feels almost like one of those heist movies, where the crew meets up again after the last heist, getting ready for it again. I would have loved to see that. A bit of a homecoming, the feels you got when you saw Garrus again in ME2 for instance. Anyway, I'm in a minority here, I still hope they bring Shep back again. Although it's probably gonna take a long time if ever. I said earlier in this thread that while I love Shepard, she (he) is done. That's partially because I think the character in-universe deserves a rest (people can "retire" from the military quite young, though "retire" may not be the official term for doing so), but also partially because I just don't see how this new team of writers can write the old characters correctly. Not to rag on them; even if they are extremely talented writers, they still aren't the team who originally brought us the MET characters, so they would likely write them differently, and it may no longer feel like them. I don't know if you've had any experience with something like the Star Wars Expanded Universe (now SW Legends) where a number of different authors contributed to each series, and each tried to tackle characters they didn't themselves create...but the results were very hit-and-miss, to put it mildly. I think it's likely that the same thing would happen to Shepard. Hell, even Hawke's little cameo in DAI apparently pissed off a lot of people because it wasn't "their" character. Maybe I'd feel differently if I'd first played MET years ago instead of months ago, but as it is now, I'd rather never have another Shepard game, than to have Shepard come back and be unrecognizable. |
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Post by Cyan_Griffonclaw on May 16, 2017 4:02:56 GMT
You know, even if the ending of ME3 had Shepard come out perfectly OK and alive, simply throwing them back into a combat adventure seems like terrible treatment of the character. I'd bet Hackett didn't do half the crazy shit Shepard did before becoming Admiral, so why can't Shepard get some more stripes or something? Exactly. Rambo is fiction. I served six years. I saw enough action and we were out of the Cold war for friggin' sake. Shepard's story should end the way it was promised... a pick-your-path adventure and it would fulfill the promise. No matter what happens. They would have to give Shepard time to assume a new role. Whether be starring in Blasto! movies, being a human ambassador (Paragon) or some vagabond (Renegade), or whatever. The authors leave that to you. They now have another story they want to share, so buckle up... the vastness of space is vast. Andromeda or bust. |
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Post by gkonone on May 16, 2017 4:28:24 GMT
I don't get the whole retirement argument, it's not as if Shepard is 65 or so. If you're tired of Shep, fair enough. I think it would have been awesome to expand more on the love interests you've encountered in the previous games. How awesome would it be to see them after all those years, on a new adventure? Reminiscing, thinking about the good old days. Connecting and bonding again, exploring deeper levels, partly because of past experiences. To me it feels almost like one of those heist movies, where the crew meets up again after the last heist, getting ready for it again. I would have loved to see that. A bit of a homecoming, the feels you got when you saw Garrus again in ME2 for instance. Anyway, I'm in a minority here, I still hope they bring Shep back again. Although it's probably gonna take a long time if ever. I said earlier in this thread that while I love Shepard, she (he) is done. That's partially because I think the character in-universe deserves a rest (people can "retire" from the military quite young, though "retire" may not be the official term for doing so), but also partially because I just don't see how this new team of writers can write the old characters correctly. Not to rag on them; even if they are extremely talented writers, they still aren't the team who originally brought us the MET characters, so they would likely write them differently, and it may no longer feel like them. I don't know if you've had any experience with something like the Star Wars Expanded Universe (now SW Legends) where a number of different authors contributed to each series, and each tried to tackle characters they didn't themselves create...but the results were very hit-and-miss, to put it mildly. I think it's likely that the same thing would happen to Shepard. Hell, even Hawke's little cameo in DAI apparently pissed off a lot of people because it wasn't "their" character. Maybe I'd feel differently if I'd first played MET years ago instead of months ago, but as it is now, I'd rather never have another Shepard game, than to have Shepard come back and be unrecognizable. So your main argument for not wanting Shepard back, or a big one at least, is 'the writers wouldn't be able to pull it off'. Just so I understand where you're coming from. By the way, Shepard died at the beginning of ME2, that's retirement. What I'm saying is, the whole retirement argument, not getting it. Apart from that, hero's don't retire from being a hero, sounds cliche, but that's how it goes in game land. |
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Post by gkonone on May 16, 2017 4:35:50 GMT
You know, even if the ending of ME3 had Shepard come out perfectly OK and alive, simply throwing them back into a combat adventure seems like terrible treatment of the character. I'd bet Hackett didn't do half the crazy shit Shepard did before becoming Admiral, so why can't Shepard get some more stripes or something? Exactly. Rambo is fiction. I served six years. I saw enough action and we were out of the Cold war for friggin' sake. Shepard's story should end the way it was promised... a pick-your-path adventure and it would fulfill the promise. No matter what happens. They would have to give Shepard time to assume a new role. Whether be starring in Blasto! movies, being a human ambassador (Paragon) or some vagabond (Renegade), or whatever. The authors leave that to you. They now have another story they want to share, so buckle up... the vastness of space is vast. Andromeda or bust. Bust I guess then  Rambo is fiction yes, but so are games. Shepard's story didn't end the way it was promised btw. Anyway, this thread has been a long discussion and as much as I feel there could have been more story for Shepard, most, at least here, disagree. I hope Bioware will bring back Shepard one day though, but that's probably not gonna happen. I'll leave it at that. |
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Post by alanc9 on May 16, 2017 4:36:02 GMT
Apart from that, hero's don't retire from being a hero, sounds cliche, but that's how it goes in game land. That just means that there's something wrong with game land |
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Post by Cypher on May 16, 2017 4:38:12 GMT
They need to move past Shepard. Post-Reaper Milky Way with a rebuilding galaxy and an up and coming new threat or bust.
Or Andromeda 2. I consider Shepard's story done, unless they somehow make a Shepard game Post-Reapers that involves Shepard and the rebuilding galaxy and some mysterious new up and coming alien threat, of course.
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Post by gkonone on May 16, 2017 4:43:06 GMT
Apart from that, hero's don't retire from being a hero, sounds cliche, but that's how it goes in game land. That just means that there's something wrong with game land Or not. Game land isn't reality, as movies aren't either. We watch movies and play games to experience another reality, perhaps one we aspire to. Doesn't make them wrong or right. Unrealistic perhaps yes, but that's irrelevant. |
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Post by Cyan_Griffonclaw on May 16, 2017 4:44:46 GMT
Exactly. Rambo is fiction. I served six years. I saw enough action and we were out of the Cold war for friggin' sake. Shepard's story should end the way it was promised... a pick-your-path adventure and it would fulfill the promise. No matter what happens. They would have to give Shepard time to assume a new role. Whether be starring in Blasto! movies, being a human ambassador (Paragon) or some vagabond (Renegade), or whatever. The authors leave that to you. They now have another story they want to share, so buckle up... the vastness of space is vast. Andromeda or bust. Bust I guess then Rambo is fiction yes, but so are games. Shepard's story didn't end the way it was promised btw. Anyway, this thread has been a long discussion and as much as I feel there could have been more story for Shepard, most, at least here, disagree. I hope Bioware will bring back Shepard one day though, but that's probably not gonna happen. I'll leave it at that. Yes, you're correct. This needs to be addressed and it will increase the size of the customer base because a newer generation can now be properly INDOCTRINATED. I should be EA's CEO. Not the clowns right now. |
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Post by alanc9 on May 16, 2017 4:51:12 GMT
That just means that there's something wrong with game land Or not. Game land isn't reality, as movies aren't either. We watch movies and play games to experience another reality, perhaps one we aspire to. Doesn't make them wrong or right. Unrealistic perhaps yes, but that's irrelevant. You aspire to a reality where the hero's story is drawn out pointlessly forever? Pass. |
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Post by dragontartare on May 16, 2017 4:58:07 GMT
I said earlier in this thread that while I love Shepard, she (he) is done. That's partially because I think the character in-universe deserves a rest (people can "retire" from the military quite young, though "retire" may not be the official term for doing so), but also partially because I just don't see how this new team of writers can write the old characters correctly. Not to rag on them; even if they are extremely talented writers, they still aren't the team who originally brought us the MET characters, so they would likely write them differently, and it may no longer feel like them. I don't know if you've had any experience with something like the Star Wars Expanded Universe (now SW Legends) where a number of different authors contributed to each series, and each tried to tackle characters they didn't themselves create...but the results were very hit-and-miss, to put it mildly. I think it's likely that the same thing would happen to Shepard. Hell, even Hawke's little cameo in DAI apparently pissed off a lot of people because it wasn't "their" character. Maybe I'd feel differently if I'd first played MET years ago instead of months ago, but as it is now, I'd rather never have another Shepard game, than to have Shepard come back and be unrecognizable. So your main argument for not wanting Shepard back, or a big one at least, is 'the writers wouldn't be able to pull it off'. Just so I understand where you're coming from. By the way, Shepard died at the beginning of ME2, that's retirement. What I'm saying is, the whole retirement argument, not getting it. Apart from that, hero's don't retire from being a hero, sounds cliche, but that's how it goes in game land. Not sure what you don't get about the retirement argument, so maybe I'm misunderstanding the context. Are you referring to "retiring" the character, or the character in-universe retiring from the military? As for one of my reasons, it's more...pessimism, I suppose. Maybe the new writers will recreate the old characters perfectly, but likely they will not. Not due to lack of talent (again, I'm not trying to pile on them here) but because they would have their own interpretations of the characters, which could potentially make them unrecognizable if the writing goes very wrong. And if that happens, then the game would not be about the old characters anyway, not really...so what would be the point? Not only that, but people have formed their own ideas of what happened to their Shepard after the game was supposed to have ended, and unless the new Shepard game had a LOT of worldstates to choose from to try to account for these possibilities, you're going to have a lot of fans understandably angry that their character was taken away from them. The whole idea just seems like a minefield. |
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Post by gkonone on May 16, 2017 4:58:20 GMT
Or not. Game land isn't reality, as movies aren't either. We watch movies and play games to experience another reality, perhaps one we aspire to. Doesn't make them wrong or right. Unrealistic perhaps yes, but that's irrelevant. You aspire to a reality where the hero's story is drawn out pointlessly forever? Pass. No, we play games for several reasons, one of them being: to experience a character we normally wouldn't be able to play/be in real life. I thought that was obvious. This was about Shepard being a hero that could have had a prolonged story, not about whether the game was bad or good. |
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Post by gkonone on May 16, 2017 5:06:12 GMT
So your main argument for not wanting Shepard back, or a big one at least, is 'the writers wouldn't be able to pull it off'. Just so I understand where you're coming from. By the way, Shepard died at the beginning of ME2, that's retirement. What I'm saying is, the whole retirement argument, not getting it. Apart from that, hero's don't retire from being a hero, sounds cliche, but that's how it goes in game land. Not sure what you don't get about the retirement argument, so maybe I'm misunderstanding the context. Are you referring to "retiring" the character, or the character in-universe retiring from the military? As for one of my reasons, it's more...pessimism, I suppose. Maybe the new writers will recreate the old characters perfectly, but likely they will not. Not due to lack of talent (again, I'm not trying to pile on them here) but because they would have their own interpretations of the characters, which could potentially make them unrecognizable if the writing goes very wrong. And if that happens, then the game would not be about the old characters anyway, not really...so what would be the point? Not only that, but people have formed their own ideas of what happened to their Shepard after the game was supposed to have ended, and unless the new Shepard game had a LOT of worldstates to choose from to try to account for these possibilities, you're going to have a lot of fans understandably angry that their character was taken away from them. The whole idea just seems like a minefield. When people claim that Shepard should retire or has retired, I think off: 'he/she has done enough and deserves a rest, has done enough'. I'm assuming that's what you meant anyway. And that really doesn't make any sense. Through story telling Shepard could have gotten plenty of rest or found new motivation or insert whatever reason to join N7 again after the events of ME3. Shepard fought big threats in ME1 and ME2 and didn't retire back then, why would he/she retire after ME3? Well, the only thing the writers really will have to deal with is the horrible ending of ME3. What will become canon? Was it all a dream or whatever. Plenty of ways to resolve that. |
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Post by KaiserShep on May 16, 2017 5:16:51 GMT
I'd much rather have my Shepard end up commanding a fleet or at least a starship. Eventually the SR2 gets decommissioned, gutted and put on display at the Alliance Navy Museum, and the SR3 rolls off the showroom floor for someone else to have adventures on.
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I wasn't arguing anything, merely stating my preference. The immense expanse of the Milky Way with thousands of possibilities. Diversity. I'd like to experience the galaxy of ME in the MW from another POV; non-human. Hence, my inclination to retire Shep and Co. They could come back but in secondary roles when the story calls for it. It's unlikely to happen but this is what I'd like to see. 
