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Post by Fen'Harel Faceman on May 16, 2017 5:23:23 GMT
Well, the only thing the writers really will have to deal with is the horrible ending of ME3. What will become canon? Was it all a dream or whatever. Plenty of ways to resolve that. That's really the crux of the matter. They refused to "fix" the ME3 ending and stood behind it as a company. I don't see them reversing course on that. So I settle for MEHEM and don't really ever expect them to do anything more with Shep or the Milky Way. If I'm wrong and they come up with some good ideas, I'd probably be pleasantly surprised.
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Post by gkonone on May 16, 2017 5:25:36 GMT
Well, the only thing the writers really will have to deal with is the horrible ending of ME3. What will become canon? Was it all a dream or whatever. Plenty of ways to resolve that. That's really the crux of the matter. They refused to "fix" the ME3 ending and stood behind it as a company. I don't see them reversing course on that. So I settle for MEHEM and don't really ever expect them to do anything more with Shep or the Milky Way. If I'm wrong and they come up with some good ideas, I'd probably be pleasantly surprised. Bit off topic, but the MEHEM mod is awesome if you prefer a more positive ending, love that mod. To me it's what the ending of ME3 should have been in the first place. At least one of the endings anyway.
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Post by Fen'Harel Faceman on May 16, 2017 5:33:06 GMT
That's really the crux of the matter. They refused to "fix" the ME3 ending and stood behind it as a company. I don't see them reversing course on that. So I settle for MEHEM and don't really ever expect them to do anything more with Shep or the Milky Way. If I'm wrong and they come up with some good ideas, I'd probably be pleasantly surprised. Bit off topic, but the MEHEM mod is awesome if you prefer a more positive ending, love that mod. To me it's what the ending of ME3 should have been in the first place. At least one of the endings anyway. Yeah it's not a perfect solution but it does avoid the idiocy that is Starbrat.
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Post by Cyan_Griffonclaw on May 16, 2017 5:48:27 GMT
Bit off topic, but the MEHEM mod is awesome if you prefer a more positive ending, love that mod. To me it's what the ending of ME3 should have been in the first place. At least one of the endings anyway. Yeah it's not a perfect solution but it does avoid the idiocy that is Starbrat. Aw man. Starchild is an orphan that needs to be "tragically" sucked out of a "malfunctioning" airlock.
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Post by alanc9 on May 16, 2017 6:46:30 GMT
You aspire to a reality where the hero's story is drawn out pointlessly forever? Pass. No, we play games for several reasons, one of them being: to experience a character we normally wouldn't be able to play/be in real life. I thought that was obvious. This was about Shepard being a hero that could have had a prolonged story, not about whether the game was bad or good. You were just saying that heroes in games don't retire because that's not what games do. That's not an argument to stretch out Shepard's career forever. It might be an argument that games suck, but that's it. (I don't buy the argument in the first place, so I don't have to evaluate that.) If you want to prolong Shepard's career indefinitely, you'll have to sell it.
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Post by alanc9 on May 16, 2017 6:52:05 GMT
Yeah it's not a perfect solution but it does avoid the idiocy that is Starbrat. Aw man. Starchild is an orphan that needs to be "tragically" sucked out of a "malfunctioning" airlock. That's not how you kill a hologram, guys. Just trip the circuit breaker.
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Post by Cyan_Griffonclaw on May 16, 2017 6:54:08 GMT
Aw man. Starchild is an orphan that needs to be "tragically" sucked out of a "malfunctioning" airlock. That's not how you kill a hologram, guys. Just trip the circuit breaker. ROFL. Bastard... Logic wins out again. Pull the plug and tell the Reapers to head back into the void again.
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Post by decafhigh on May 16, 2017 13:08:26 GMT
Bit off topic, but the MEHEM mod is awesome if you prefer a more positive ending, love that mod. To me it's what the ending of ME3 should have been in the first place. At least one of the endings anyway. Yeah it's not a perfect solution but it does avoid the idiocy that is Starbrat. Yep for me it isn't even about having Shep live or having a "happy" ending. I like MEHEM because it removes the ridiculous parts of the ending and delivers on what the whole rest of the game and series set up.
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Post by alanc9 on May 16, 2017 14:37:46 GMT
If you can tolerate no explanation at all for the Reapers, yeah. In retrospect, maybe Bio should have accepted that Drew K. had dug the series an impossible hole and just given up on that.
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Post by Iakus on May 16, 2017 15:12:03 GMT
Aw man. Starchild is an orphan that needs to be "tragically" sucked out of a "malfunctioning" airlock. That's not how you kill a hologram, guys. Just trip the circuit breaker. I like to headcanon that both Shepard and Ash made it to Starbrat, and while Shepard was keeping it busy blathering about the inevitability of robot uprisings, Ash was busy reformatting its hard drive.
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Post by Iakus on May 16, 2017 15:12:42 GMT
If you can tolerate no explanation at all for the Reapers, yeah. Works for me
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Post by DoctorFox on May 16, 2017 15:17:02 GMT
Plot twist - the Shepard you play as in ME2 and 3 was in fact a clone and the real one was unsalvagable. Cerberus is the mysterious silent benefactor and they planted another Shepard clone in cryo aboard the human Ark.
I would play the shit out that MEA2
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Post by Iakus on May 16, 2017 15:34:45 GMT
Plot twist - the Shepard you play as in ME2 and 3 was in fact a clone and the real one was unsalvagable. Cerberus is the mysterious silent benefactor and they planted another Shepard clone in cryo aboard the human Ark. I would play the shit out that MEA2 Mass Effect Andromeda 2: The Force Unleashed!
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Post by CrutchCricket on May 16, 2017 15:43:09 GMT
Ignoring the obvious continuity problems beaten into the ground by now, if Shepard were to return I'd rather it not be as the protagonist but a more enigmatic, or even dubious major character. Maybe even as a villain?
I don't think such a story would fit within continuity. It'd have to be a remix/reimagining. Which could be fun, it could be a chance to (re)introduce a whole bunch of favorite characters in ways we haven't seen before.
Or you know, another clone.
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Post by mofojokers on May 16, 2017 15:51:23 GMT
Ignoring the obvious continuity problems beaten into the ground by now, if Shepard were to return I'd rather it not be as the protagonist but a more enigmatic, or even dubious major character. Maybe even as a villain? I don't think such a story would fit within continuity. It'd have to be a remix/reimagining. Which could be fun, it could be a chance to (re)introduce a whole bunch of favorite characters in ways we haven't seen before. Or you know, another clone. Better to let Shep story pass but a return to the Milky Way would be great. Let MEA remain the spinoff it is. Like a failed sitcom that could be revived later on. I adore Shep but even i know the story is complete. But if they finally picked a cannon ending and continued it would blow minds. Especially if set after the relays are rebuilt and order restored. Could be centered on possibly the Andromeda Kett alerting the Kett empire to the Milky Way. Although i find the Kett as a enemy insanely bland and tasteless. Especially the way their weapons and just the pure over all grey and green look. Possibly they could reinvent the Kett by making the ones in Andromeda a completely off brand wing of the Empire. An experiment gone wrong but given a chance to prove themselves.
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Post by CrutchCricket on May 16, 2017 16:06:50 GMT
Better to let Shep story pass but a return to the Milky Way would be great. Let MEA remain the spinoff it is. Like a failed sitcom that could be revived later on. I adore Shep but even i know the story is complete. But if they finally picked a cannon ending and continued it would blow minds. No thanks. No canon ending, ever. And the Milky Way post Reaper War is best left in our minds. It'll never be as good. Prequels-interquels, or a completely different reimagining. I don't know if there's a word for what I'm thinking of but if you know the Stephen King/Richard Bachman novels Desparation and Regulators, something like that. Same characters and villain, entirely different settings, circumstances and relationships. Though I'd advocate changing the villain in this case. I don't think anyone wants more Reapers, particularly post-holokid.
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Post by The Twilight God on May 16, 2017 16:40:20 GMT
How is it a stupid idea though? I've reread your post a couple of times and I couldn't find the reason it's a stupid idea, unless the argument is 'Shepard's story is done'. A story is done when it's done, it's very easy to come up with another story. OK, come up with one.
And I'm sure it's very easy to retcon or just resolve the ending of ME3 so it would make sense. Retcon the ending entirely? LOL. So just fuck continuity, right? You'd fit in perfectly with Bioware's current writers.
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Post by KaiserShep on May 16, 2017 16:44:27 GMT
Aw man. Starchild is an orphan that needs to be "tragically" sucked out of a "malfunctioning" airlock. That's not how you kill a hologram, guys. Just trip the circuit breaker. Heck the Shepard VI was almost destroyed by someone spilling a drink on it. Shepard should have tossed a bottle of ryncol at the power conduit.
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Post by The Twilight God on May 16, 2017 16:50:09 GMT
If you can tolerate no explanation at all for the Reapers, yeah. In retrospect, maybe Bio should have accepted that Drew K. had dug the series an impossible hole and just given up on that. There is no valid explanation for the Reapers by organic standards. The Leviathans gave their telling of events and that's enough. MEHEM is canon.
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Post by alanc9 on May 16, 2017 17:21:38 GMT
You use "canon" is a way that's never made sense.
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Post by chawktrick on May 16, 2017 17:25:06 GMT
No. I want to stick with Ryder. I love Shepard. But after ME3... it's time to let go. This. Shepard's story has been told and any enemy in the Milky Way galaxy would fail to compare to the tenacity and seriousness of the reapers. The reapers are the penultimate enemy, bent on destroying an entire galaxy of creatures. I'd consider a prequel, but there are a lot of elements that would seem anti-climatic (like the fact Shepard doesn't become a spectre until ME1). All good things must come to an end, and as much as we all love Shepard, I don't think there's much to gain from another game about him.
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Post by chawktrick on May 16, 2017 17:28:07 GMT
If you can tolerate no explanation at all for the Reapers, yeah. In retrospect, maybe Bio should have accepted that Drew K. had dug the series an impossible hole and just given up on that. What do you mean? The Leviathan DLC gave an explanation for the reapers.
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Post by alanc9 on May 16, 2017 18:22:48 GMT
If you can tolerate no explanation at all for the Reapers, yeah. In retrospect, maybe Bio should have accepted that Drew K. had dug the series an impossible hole and just given up on that. What do you mean? The Leviathan DLC gave an explanation for the reapers. I thought the idea was to get away from the Catalyst reveal, not to keep the same material with a different presentation, so I assumed Leviathan was out-of-scope; with a different ending plan we wouldn't have got that DLC. What's the advantage of cutting the Catalyst scene if everything he says is in the game anyway?
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Post by CrutchCricket on May 16, 2017 19:25:03 GMT
I thought the idea was to get away from the Catalyst reveal, not to keep the same material with a different presentation, so I assumed Leviathan was out-of-scope; with a different ending plan we wouldn't have got that DLC. What's the advantage of cutting the Catalyst scene if everything he says is in the game anyway? Get rid of the whole "capitulate to your enemy to 'win'" angle? If you must make the Reapers nothing but killbot the Leviathans made, I'd also remove the Skynet angle. Instead make the hypothesis about cultural stagnation and mortality- each species that rises reaches some apex but then starts to decline and their civilization ultimately crumbes and fades. Originally the Leviathans, masters of all they saw thought they were above this. But when it started to happen to them, they sought a solution because they feared their civilization would also fall and be forgotten. So instead they created a perfect machine to upload themselves into, made into their image. Within that machine their civilization would be eternal to be enjoyed by all who mattered- themselves. Not all Leviathans saw it that way and most of the dissenters were killed or forcefully uploaded, though a few escaped. This new machine, Harbinger, then sought to bring this same perfection to the thrall species. They fought of course but lost and were uploaded into forms like Harbinger itself. From that day forward Harbinger and its kind watch the galaxy for species worthy of adding to their network and thus preserving them for all time. They built the Citadel and Mass Relays to make the "harvest" more efficient but also as a legacy to the physical galaxy they left behind. Meanwhile the Leviathans that escaped did so with a copy of the master key to the Harbinger network- a way for organic species to take control of the Reaper network and therefore their fate. This idea would grow over time, becoming what we know as the Crucible. The main idea behind the above reworking is if you're gonna have flawed logic, might as well give it a reasonable source- the Leviathan's dickish ego. Not to mention the relative novelty of the idea compared to "oh noes the bad robots" yet again. Plus it's more poetic that the now significantly named Reapers are in fact harbingers to an afterlife of sorts but on an aggregate scale, and not as reward/punishment, but as an ultimate fear of death.
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Post by projectpatdc on May 16, 2017 19:30:09 GMT
Aw man. Starchild is an orphan that needs to be "tragically" sucked out of a "malfunctioning" airlock. That's not how you kill a hologram, guys. Just trip the circuit breaker. I always thought Star brat was just in Shepard's mind when it is talking to him. Even if he isn't indoctrinated, the Crucible/Reapers were talking to him via mind. The only way to get rid of him at that point is to kill Shepard.
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