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Post by Iakus on May 16, 2017 19:32:38 GMT
Ignoring the obvious continuity problems beaten into the ground by now, if Shepard were to return I'd rather it not be as the protagonist but a more enigmatic, or even dubious major character. Maybe even as a villain? I don't think such a story would fit within continuity. It'd have to be a remix/reimagining. Which could be fun, it could be a chance to (re)introduce a whole bunch of favorite characters in ways we haven't seen before. Or you know, another clone. Better to let Shep story pass but a return to the Milky Way would be great. Let MEA remain the spinoff it is. Like a failed sitcom that could be revived later on. I adore Shep but even i know the story is complete. But if they finally picked a cannon ending and continued it would blow minds. Especially if set after the relays are rebuilt and order restored. Could be centered on possibly the Andromeda Kett alerting the Kett empire to the Milky Way. Although i find the Kett as a enemy insanely bland and tasteless. Especially the way their weapons and just the pure over all grey and green look. Possibly they could reinvent the Kett by making the ones in Andromeda a completely off brand wing of the Empire. An experiment gone wrong but given a chance to prove themselves. Change a few lines and MEA could have easily been set in the Milky Way.
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Post by projectpatdc on May 16, 2017 19:38:17 GMT
Plot twist - the Shepard you play as in ME2 and 3 was in fact a clone and the real one was unsalvagable. Cerberus is the mysterious silent benefactor and they planted another Shepard clone in cryo aboard the human Ark. I would play the shit out that MEA2 I like this. I still don't get how he was salvageable. But this would be pretty awesome since we do choose the the sex of Shepard in MEA. Imagine being able to choose between Scott, Sara, or Fem/male Shepard. The one you don't pick is a squadmate. This could also allow us to just pick between a paragon or renegade play style at the beginning instead of always pressing up or down on the dialogue choices. Pick Ryder, you have the more paragon emotional, logical, casual, professional. Pick Shepard, you have the more renegade options.
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Post by kumazan on May 16, 2017 19:44:29 GMT
Better to let Shep story pass but a return to the Milky Way would be great. Let MEA remain the spinoff it is. Like a failed sitcom that could be revived later on. I adore Shep but even i know the story is complete. But if they finally picked a cannon ending and continued it would blow minds. Especially if set after the relays are rebuilt and order restored. Could be centered on possibly the Andromeda Kett alerting the Kett empire to the Milky Way. Although i find the Kett as a enemy insanely bland and tasteless. Especially the way their weapons and just the pure over all grey and green look. Possibly they could reinvent the Kett by making the ones in Andromeda a completely off brand wing of the Empire. An experiment gone wrong but given a chance to prove themselves. Change a few lines and MEA could have easily been set in the Milky Way. More than a few. It's not just the ending that's a problem to continue in the MW, but the existance/exitintion of several species, and the genophage. I don't think MW games set after ME3 are viable without a hard reboot.
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Post by themikefest on May 16, 2017 19:45:58 GMT
I like to headcanon that both Shepard and Ash made it to Starbrat, and while Shepard was keeping it busy blathering about the inevitability of robot uprisings, Ash was busy reformatting its hard drive. I wouldn't mind seeing that happen After the fob, Javik is required. A distraction is created giving Shepard and squad time to get up the beam. Once up there, they encounter the keystone cops. A squadmate tells Shepard to go open the arms while they deal with the wanna-be cops. Just before TIM does his fist pump thing a squadmate shoots him. After Hackett says nothing is happening, The platform takes Shepard, Javik, Anderson and other squadmate up to the promised land. They meet the thing. After thing finishes whatever its saying, Javik steps up to say he will destroy the reapers. He wants his revenge. Shepard or Anderson call for a shuttle. As the bay door closes, Shepard looks back to see a red light appear. The problem with this is that Javik is a dlc character. So everyone may not have purchased the dlc. Here's something I've posted many times. After the coup, Hackett mentions they believe the crucible has enough energy to destroy the reapers. Just didn't know how. There's your ending. Once the arms to the Citadel are fully opened, the crucible fires its bag of goodies all over the galaxy destroying the reapers. What the above does is remove the magic carpet ride up to lala land. It removes the thing taking the form of a human child. It removes "You don't know them, and there's not enough time to explain". It removes "synthesis is the final evolution of all life". It removes the pull this, shoot that, and jump in there endings.
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Post by Iakus on May 16, 2017 20:05:30 GMT
Change a few lines and MEA could have easily been set in the Milky Way. More than a few. It's not just the ending that's a problem to continue in the MW, but the existance/exitintion of several species, and the genophage. I don't think MW games set after ME3 are viable without a hard reboot. Well, yeah, virtually the entirety of ME3 would have to be ignored and handwaved away as "There was a Reaper War, Shepard saved us all, now let's never speak of it again" But MEA on its own could easily have fit into some remote corner of the Milky Way.
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Post by Deleted on May 16, 2017 20:12:39 GMT
I don't want the real MET destroyed and retconed in the name of a questionable re-reboot. I love MET too much to see it ripped apart.
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Post by Doctor Fumbles on May 16, 2017 20:56:41 GMT
What if the whole MET was just in Shepards mind. You know he took a little to many hallucinogens, and it never happened. In reality, he is just an average joe working at some space port.
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Post by Deleted on May 16, 2017 21:00:47 GMT
What if the whole MET was just in Shepards mind. You know he took a little to many hallucinogens, and it never happened. In reality, he is just an average joe working at some space port. ...and then s/he wakes up with a memory loss and has to recover them one by one and remake his/her own nature, and of course s/he can be a totally different Jedi/Sith now. Obviously, in his/her delirium s/he accidently triggered the creation of Reapers by Cerberus.
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Post by decafhigh on May 16, 2017 21:02:27 GMT
What if the whole MET was just in Shepards mind. You know he took a little to many hallucinogens, and it never happened. In reality, he is just an average joe working at some space port. After ME2 and ME3 I always kinda hoped Shep is still laying on the bed in the SR1's med-bay after the beacon exploded.
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Post by Doctor Fumbles on May 16, 2017 21:04:20 GMT
What if the whole MET was just in Shepards mind. You know he took a little to many hallucinogens, and it never happened. In reality, he is just an average joe working at some space port. After ME2 and ME3 I always kinda hoped Shep is still laying on the bed in the SR1's med-bay after the beacon exploded. A lot of people thought that. You weren't the only one. I personally like Shepard being a druggy who is tripping balls, but I know not a lot will like that.
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Post by Iakus on May 16, 2017 21:06:38 GMT
What if the whole MET was just in Shepards mind. You know he took a little to many hallucinogens, and it never happened. In reality, he is just an average joe working at some space port. After ME2 and ME3 I always kinda hoped Shep is still laying on the bed in the SR1's med-bay after the beacon exploded. Or was a completely fictional character in the ME universe. Humanity's answer to Blasto
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Post by themikefest on May 16, 2017 21:09:59 GMT
What if the whole MET was just in Shepards mind. You know he took a little to many hallucinogens, and it never happened. In reality, he is just an average joe working at some space port. Or what if the story the guy told the kid never happened? The real story is that Shepard wasn't a soldier, but a farmer.
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Post by decafhigh on May 16, 2017 21:10:24 GMT
After ME2 and ME3 I always kinda hoped Shep is still laying on the bed in the SR1's med-bay after the beacon exploded. A lot of people thought that. You weren't the only one. I personally like Shepard being a druggy who is tripping balls, but I know not a lot will like that. ME3: The Epilogue DLC Conrad wakes up in a cold wet gutter shaking violently after that last hit of red sand wears off. "Boy that was one weird ass dream".
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Post by Doctor Fumbles on May 16, 2017 21:10:40 GMT
After ME2 and ME3 I always kinda hoped Shep is still laying on the bed in the SR1's med-bay after the beacon exploded. Or was a completely fictional character in the ME universe. Humanity's answer to Blasto Now, that would be a twist I hope BioWare will do. Everything we are doing is just a movie for human species.
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Post by themikefest on May 16, 2017 21:14:46 GMT
Conrad wakes up in a cold wet gutter shaking violently after that last hit of red sand wears off. "Boy that was one weird ass dream". That could have happened at the end of MEA. After the credits, Shepard wakes up saying, "What the heck kind of dream was that?"
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Post by Doctor Fumbles on May 16, 2017 21:15:46 GMT
A lot of people thought that. You weren't the only one. I personally like Shepard being a druggy who is tripping balls, but I know not a lot will like that. ME3: The Epilogue DLC Conrad wakes up in a cold wet gutter shaking violently after that last hit of red sand wears off. "Boy that was one weird ass dream". Not too shabby. I may have to make that my head canon.
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Post by decafhigh on May 16, 2017 21:19:12 GMT
Conrad wakes up in a cold wet gutter shaking violently after that last hit of red sand wears off. "Boy that was one weird ass dream". That could have happened at the end of MEA. After the credits, Shepard wakes up saying, "What the heck kind of dream was that?" Hahaha. That is a MEA DLC I'll put money down for.
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Post by Doctor Fumbles on May 16, 2017 21:26:17 GMT
I got it figured out. All of this is just a dream of space hamster while he patiently waits for someone to buy him from the shop.
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Post by themikefest on May 16, 2017 21:58:54 GMT
I got it figured out. All of this is just a dream of space hamster while he patiently waits for someone to buy him from the shop. That I would pay to have. Play as space hamster. The player gets to see what space Hamster did before Shepard buys him. He can have his own loyalty mission. In ME3, he has to leave the Normandy for a top-secret-double-hush-hush mission. He heads to his homeworld, Furworld, to help the 82nd Airborne Hamster unit to rescue a bunch of Hamsters captured by the reapers. Once done, the unit attacks the capital ship. They climb up the reaper and chew on the giant sized exposed cables. The reaper falls over destroyed. In the city of Furry, he and the unit are made heroes. Once back, he sits with Shepard having drinks telling her about his heroic adventures. His last mission is the bravest. Realizing that his Commander is on the Citadel, he takes the shuttle to where the Commander is. He makes it in time to protect her from the blast. The Commander gets up and looks down. She sees space Hamster. She picks up the little guy with a tear running down her cheek. He sacrificed his life to make sure she survived. Millions gather for his funeral. On Earth and Furworld, all flags are flying at half-mast. In honor of his bravery, the galaxy is renamed, The Hamster Way.
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Post by KaiserShep on May 16, 2017 23:30:33 GMT
What if the whole MET was just in Shepards mind. You know he took a little to many hallucinogens, and it never happened. In reality, he is just an average joe working at some space port. Or what if the story the guy told the kid never happened? The real story is that Shepard wasn't a soldier, but a farmer. Or a dog. "Gotta get the reapers! Gotta get the reapers!"
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Post by Cyan_Griffonclaw on May 17, 2017 5:35:52 GMT
After ME2 and ME3 I always kinda hoped Shep is still laying on the bed in the SR1's med-bay after the beacon exploded. A lot of people thought that. You weren't the only one. I personally like Shepard being a druggy who is tripping balls, but I know not a lot will like that. People are so judging. They came up short on why they had to reset Shepard's powers. Lazarus. (slaps forehead)
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Post by gkonone on May 18, 2017 2:52:51 GMT
No, we play games for several reasons, one of them being: to experience a character we normally wouldn't be able to play/be in real life. I thought that was obvious. This was about Shepard being a hero that could have had a prolonged story, not about whether the game was bad or good. You were just saying that heroes in games don't retire because that's not what games do. That's not an argument to stretch out Shepard's career forever. It might be an argument that games suck, but that's it. (I don't buy the argument in the first place, so I don't have to evaluate that.) If you want to prolong Shepard's career indefinitely, you'll have to sell it. It's true that's not an argument, but the opposite can be said as well. Why not stretch it out? Games are not reality. Why retire a popular character? Because the story is done, is it really? A story is done when it's done. Shepard's story could have been done at the end of ME1 really. Shepard died at the start of ME2, they could have introduced a new character. Anyway, I would love another Shepard game, most don't here, that's fine, I was just curious.
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Post by decafhigh on May 18, 2017 3:01:08 GMT
Like I said earlier I am fine with Shepard retiring and the series moving on.
If I think about it another way though, if BW made MEA2 which starts off with Ryder and his crew after the events of MEA1 and they also made ME4 which picked up after the end of ME3 with Shepard as the lead and his crew returning and released them both on the same day with a condition that I couldn't buy both of them, I had to choose to buy one or the other which would I buy?
ME4 with Shepard, no hesitation at all.
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Post by gkonone on May 18, 2017 3:05:08 GMT
How is it a stupid idea though? I've reread your post a couple of times and I couldn't find the reason it's a stupid idea, unless the argument is 'Shepard's story is done'. A story is done when it's done, it's very easy to come up with another story. OK, come up with one.
And I'm sure it's very easy to retcon or just resolve the ending of ME3 so it would make sense. Retcon the ending entirely? LOL. So just fuck continuity, right? You'd fit in perfectly with Bioware's current writers. I have to come up with one? I just said it's not a stupid idea. That's one? You gave no reasons why continueing Shepard's story is stupid. Retconning endings, stories or lore has been done before, it's not like the world ends. It's not as big of a deal as you make it out to be. The definition of a retcon: revise (an aspect of a fictional work) retrospectively, typically by introducing a piece of new information that imposes a different interpretation on previously described events. So lets say that Shepard was indoctrinated for instance, that popular theory. Or the Illusive Man brainwashed Shepard, or maybe starchild did, in the end the destroy choice was made canon because the other options were just Shepard being brainwashed. Shepard fought that and decided to destroy the Reapers. There are plenty of ways to 'retcon' the ending if you wanna call it that.
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