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Post by Arcian on Sept 10, 2016 10:43:10 GMT
<<<<<<<<<<(0)>>>>>>>>>> From an interview with Aaryn Flynn. -" Andromeda opens with you traveling to the Andromeda Galaxy" -"You fled the Milky Way galaxy...to start a new home for humanity" -"You brought along other races that pitched in too." -"The story begins as you arrive.." -"Now it's your job as the Pathfinder to begin to start the process to build a new home for humanity.." -"You got to do explorations, take on quests... there is a galactic mystery that you need to figure out..and work your way through that .. that form the critical path of the story line.... will we succeed in starting our new home or will we fail"
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So yet another game where it is a human-centric ego-stroking because humans are superspecialawesome. It's written by Super MAC, what did you expect?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 10, 2016 12:16:37 GMT
Tbh I would have preferred this entire effort to be a Council initiative where the Council races (Turians, Salarians, Asari and Humans) established an Andromeda Council which would lead the entire expedition there.
I like playing as human because I'm one but I don't want Humanity to be the super awesome race that saves the world once again. I just hope we don't get Cerberus V 2.0.
Not big of a deal though.
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Post by Sartoz on Sept 10, 2016 12:23:31 GMT
Tbh I would have preferred this entire effort to be a Council initiative where the Council races (Turians, Salarians, Asari and Humans) established an Andromeda Council which would lead the entire expedition there. I like playing as human because I'm one but I don't want Humanity to be the super awesome race that saves the world once again. I just hope we don't get Cerberus V 2.0. Not big of a deal though. <<<<<<<<<<(0)>>>>>>>>>> The human antagonist is a smaller version of Cerberus. He doesn't have the resources, manpower, scientists and labs that Cerberus had back home. Bio probably introduced him as the guy that stole the Krogan colony ship and once the Krogan Loyalty mission is over, he's gone. My understanding is that he wears the same armour as Ryder's dad, without the N7.
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Post by fade9wayz on Sept 10, 2016 12:27:57 GMT
Interesting. But this does bring up one potential problem. Since launching the Arks was likely as a result of the Reaper invasion it seems odd that humanity would do something of this major nature in terms of resources since they were the ones who were mainly working on the Crucible Project. Sure it makes sense that they would pitch in a little bit if another race was to take the lead on it, say the Asari, but the leaders? Nope. Makes no sense. I too can better see the Asari leading that endeavor rather than humans. Although I would have said Turians instead, if their homeworld hadn't been one of the first to be attacked en masse by the Reapers, along with Earth, forcing them to pour most of their ressources in fighting Reapers off of Palaven. Asari are very rich and have access to a wealth of advanced technology too, they are experienced in building giant juggernauts, and their planets were some of the latest to be attacked. Travelling a few centuries, even without cryopods, is certainly doable for them, so I can imagine them risking sending part of their population away from a doomed galaxy quite easily.. The other advantage I see with Asari leading this, is that they would certainly lean towards saving other sentient species more than any others. They have entered bonds/marriage with every other species. Even Vorcha. Probably. Maybe?... err, moving on... Most people, and Asari don't strike me to be different from us in that regard, tend to care for their spouse or 'father' and don't want them to suffer any untimely demise if that can be helped at all... That, and make sure the number of Ardat Yakshi stays low would, I think, compel them to reach out to all the other (organic) species. I'm pretty sure Geth are screwed.
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Post by bshep on Sept 10, 2016 12:36:30 GMT
Interesting. But this does bring up one potential problem. Since launching the Arks was likely as a result of the Reaper invasion it seems odd that humanity would do something of this major nature in terms of resources since they were the ones who were mainly working on the Crucible Project. Sure it makes sense that they would pitch in a little bit if another race was to take the lead on it, say the Asari, but the leaders? Nope. Makes no sense. I too can better see the Asari leading that endeavor rather than humans. Although I would have said Turians instead, if their homeworld hadn't been one of the first to be attacked en masse by the Reapers, along with Earth, forcing them to pour most of their ressources in fighting Reapers off of Palaven. Asari are very rich and have access to a wealth of advanced technology too, they are experienced in building giant juggernauts, and their planets were some of the latest to be attacked. Travelling a few centuries, even without cryopods, is certainly doable for them, so I can imagine them risking sending part of their population away from a doomed galaxy quite easily.. The other advantage I see with Asari leading this, is that they would certainly lean towards saving other sentient species more than any others. They have entered bonds/marriage with every other species. Even Vorcha. Probably. Maybe?... err, moving on... Most people, and Asari don't strike me to be different from us in that regard, tend to care for their spouse or 'father' and don't want them to suffer any untimely demise if that can be helped at all... That, and make sure the number of Ardat Yakshi stays low would, I think, compel them to reach out to all the other (organic) species. I'm pretty sure Geth are screwed. This. I really hope Aaryn was just being really vague and dismissive to not spoiler the story during that interview. It makes little sense to me the Alliance could have the money and resources to pull this kind of project.
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Post by Arcian on Sept 10, 2016 12:37:56 GMT
Interesting. But this does bring up one potential problem. Since launching the Arks was likely as a result of the Reaper invasion it seems odd that humanity would do something of this major nature in terms of resources since they were the ones who were mainly working on the Crucible Project. Sure it makes sense that they would pitch in a little bit if another race was to take the lead on it, say the Asari, but the leaders? Nope. Makes no sense. Modern BioWare in a nutshell, "All the cool parts with none of the logic or consistency".
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Post by ClarkKent on Sept 10, 2016 12:39:47 GMT
Damn, I'd forgotten about humanity being the leaders of the crucible project...and we're leaders of the ark project as well? There's something icky about this writing.
When will Bioware(or Walters)learn that humanity is the least interesting part of the ME universe?
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Post by themikefest on Sept 10, 2016 12:41:08 GMT
So yet another game where it is a human-centric ego-stroking because humans are superspecialawesome. That's because humans are superspecialawesome. humanity #1
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Post by Sartoz on Sept 10, 2016 13:17:12 GMT
Interesting. But this does bring up one potential problem. Since launching the Arks was likely as a result of the Reaper invasion it seems odd that humanity would do something of this major nature in terms of resources since they were the ones who were mainly working on the Crucible Project. Sure it makes sense that they would pitch in a little bit if another race was to take the lead on it, say the Asari, but the leaders? Nope. Makes no sense. <<<<<<<<<<(0)>>>>>>>>>> Sure it does. The other three are more interested in the preservation of their own species and nothing was being done. So, the Alliance decided to go ahead and take control. Besides, , have you ever worked on very large government projects? Why spend 5 billion dollars when you can spend 10? The only "resources" that I'd be worried about is getting a trans-galactic drive working. Prefabs for colony buildings is already old hat. A one size prefab works best when loading them into a starship cargo bay and that is exactly what we have, as shown in the concept art images.. There would be no problems getting colonists from Earth. Many wanted to leave, anyway. The costs are overblown. In war, you worry about costs, later, once you survive. About leadership. Earthers, as a "young galactic race" are not bound by Council traditions or pace. If they can't get the Council moving, they do it themselves. That's Dynamic Leadership, by example. The "Council" was an ossified institution, similar the the US Congress.
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Post by bshep on Sept 10, 2016 13:28:14 GMT
Well it really doesn't bother me much right now since we have no idea how they story will unfold. And it is always wise to take what is beeing said during conferences with a grain of salt...
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Post by Balsam Beige on Sept 10, 2016 13:32:20 GMT
<<<<<<<<<<(0)>>>>>>>>>> From an interview with Aaryn Flynn. -" Andromeda opens with you traveling to the Andromeda Galaxy" -"You fled the Milky Way galaxy...to start a new home for humanity" -"You brought along other races that pitched in too." -"The story begins as you arrive.." -"Now it's your job as the Pathfinder to begin to start the process to build a new home for humanity.." -"You got to do explorations, take on quests... there is a galactic mystery that you need to figure out..and work your way through that .. that form the critical path of the story line.... will we succeed in starting our new home or will we fail"
Note: not truly verbatim...
Starting in Andromeda. Sounds like they are going to gloss over the "how" and "when" we leave the Milky Way. Maybe a early short conversation explanation or a Codex entry.
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Post by Arcian on Sept 10, 2016 13:41:36 GMT
Interesting. But this does bring up one potential problem. Since launching the Arks was likely as a result of the Reaper invasion it seems odd that humanity would do something of this major nature in terms of resources since they were the ones who were mainly working on the Crucible Project. Sure it makes sense that they would pitch in a little bit if another race was to take the lead on it, say the Asari, but the leaders? Nope. Makes no sense. <<<<<<<<<<(0)>>>>>>>>>> Sure it does. The other three are more interested in the preservation of their own species and nothing was being done. So, the Alliance decided to go ahead and take control. Besides, , have you ever worked on very large government projects? Why spend 5 billion dollars when you can spend 10? The only "resources" that I'd be worried about is getting a trans-galactic drive working. Prefabs for colony buildings is already old hat. A one size prefab works best when loading them into a starship cargo bay and that is exactly what we have, as shown in the concept art images.. There would be no problems getting colonists from Earth. Many wanted to leave, anyway. The costs are overblown. In war, you worry about costs, later, once you survive. About leadership. Earthers, as a "young galactic race" are not bound by Council traditions or pace. If they can't get the Council moving, they do it themselves. That's Dynamic Leadership, by example. The "Council" was an ossified institution, similar the the US Congress. How about you start backing up your claims with facts instead of trying to sell us your unsubstantiated headcanon?
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Post by themikefest on Sept 10, 2016 13:43:22 GMT
Starting in Andromeda. Sounds like they are going to gloss over the "how" and "when" we leave the Milky Way. Maybe a early short conversation explanation or a Codex entry. Even though I will be preordering the game, my concern is the beginning of the game. I too I'm curious to the explanation of the how/why/when the ships leave for Andromeda. The other concern I have is if these folks have technology more advanced than what is seen in ME3, what explanation will be given for that? If the beginning has a lame explanation, what would that say about the rest of the game?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 10, 2016 13:52:27 GMT
<<<<<<<<<<(0)>>>>>>>>>> From an interview with Aaryn Flynn. -" Andromeda opens with you traveling to the Andromeda Galaxy" -"You fled the Milky Way galaxy...to start a new home for humanity" -"You brought along other races that pitched in too." -"The story begins as you arrive.." -"Now it's your job as the Pathfinder to begin to start the process to build a new home for humanity.." -"You got to do explorations, take on quests... there is a galactic mystery that you need to figure out..and work your way through that .. that form the critical path of the story line.... will we succeed in starting our new home or will we fail"
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So yet another game where it is a human-centric ego-stroking because humans are superspecialawesome. All that writing has been on the wall for ages and ages now... time to stop getting re-upset over it.
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Post by Balsam Beige on Sept 10, 2016 13:54:44 GMT
Starting in Andromeda. Sounds like they are going to gloss over the "how" and "when" we leave the Milky Way. Maybe a early short conversation explanation or a Codex entry. Even though I will be preordering the game, my concern is the beginning of the game. I too I'm curious to the explanation of the how/why/when the ships leave for Andromeda. The other concern I have is if these folks have technology more advanced than what is seen in ME3, what explanation will be given for that? If the beginning has a lame explanation, what would that say about the rest of the game? Agreed. Credibility is important especially at the start of the game. Just getting to Andromeda safely speaks of "Advanced Tech".
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Post by Sartoz on Sept 10, 2016 16:05:46 GMT
<<<<<<<<<<(0)>>>>>>>>>> Sure it does. The other three are more interested in the preservation of their own species and nothing was being done. So, the Alliance decided to go ahead and take control. Besides, , have you ever worked on very large government projects? Why spend 5 billion dollars when you can spend 10? The only "resources" that I'd be worried about is getting a trans-galactic drive working. Prefabs for colony buildings is already old hat. A one size prefab works best when loading them into a starship cargo bay and that is exactly what we have, as shown in the concept art images.. There would be no problems getting colonists from Earth. Many wanted to leave, anyway. The costs are overblown. In war, you worry about costs, later, once you survive. About leadership. Earthers, as a "young galactic race" are not bound by Council traditions or pace. If they can't get the Council moving, they do it themselves. That's Dynamic Leadership, by example. The "Council" was an ossified institution, similar the the US Congress. How about you start backing up your claims with facts instead of trying to sell us your unsubstantiated headcanon? <<<<<<<<<(0)>>>>>>>>>> Lol, What head cannon? The Leadership statement?
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Post by bshep on Sept 10, 2016 16:50:04 GMT
Apart from the prefabs everyting else is assumptions with little to no base in the game (as i said before we know nothing about the story).
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Post by ApocAlypsE on Sept 10, 2016 18:16:12 GMT
Of course it will be a human centered story, it is an entertainment product for the wide masses that costs a shit ton of money if you like it or not, so better do something that new players or non-fans can relate to to get more easily invested.
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Post by Heimdall on Sept 10, 2016 19:06:42 GMT
Of course it will be a human centered story, it is an entertainment product for the wide masses that costs a shit ton of money if you like it or not, so better do something that new players or non-fans can relate to to get more easily invested. The story centering around humanity isn't the problem, the problem Mass Effect has is the tendency to portray humanity as special and at least equal in capability compared to the other species, despite the other species having settled the stars for two thousand years.
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Post by MasterJukes on Sept 10, 2016 19:10:55 GMT
<<<<<<<<<<(0)>>>>>>>>>> From an interview with Aaryn Flynn. -" Andromeda opens with you traveling to the Andromeda Galaxy" -"You fled the Milky Way galaxy...to start a new home for humanity" -"You brought along other races that pitched in too." -"The story begins as you arrive.." -"Now it's your job as the Pathfinder to begin to start the process to build a new home for humanity.." -"You got to do explorations, take on quests... there is a galactic mystery that you need to figure out..and work your way through that .. that form the critical path of the story line.... will we succeed in starting our new home or will we fail"
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So yet another game where it is a human-centric ego-stroking because humans are superspecialawesome. But Ryder is human, the protagonists of this game are humans, what did you expect? A Krogan-Centric game? I know we all hate humanity, because let's face that the humance race is the cancer of this planet and we wanted to see even more of the other races, but that's not going to happen and it was obvious this game was going to be human-centric since it was first announced.
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Post by shechinah on Sept 10, 2016 19:32:17 GMT
But Ryder is human, the protagonists of this game are humans, what did you expect? A Krogan-Centric game? I know we all hate humanity, because let's face that the humance race is the cancer of this planet and we wanted to see even more of the other races, but that's not going to happen and it was obvious this game was going to be human-centric since it was first announced. It's not that Ryder is a human or that the viewpoint is human: it's that some of us have gotten the (admittedly perhaps mistaken) impression primarily because of the wording that the ARKs were primarily funded by humanity. To some, it also seems like humanity leads the races in the Andromeda galaxy which does not seem like it would make a whole lot of sense.
It would make far more sense if this was a Council project since not only have those races been around for much longer, they would also be more likely to have the technology and the resources necessary to make the ARKs a reality with other races pitching in. This wouldn't be a case of the others races or humanity sucking as much as it would simply be a case of the Council races just having been around for much longer and having had time to develop access to such resources.
It would also make sense if the ARKs had a multiracial leadership as oppose to one race being the head honchos. A multiracial leadership wouldn't even need to exclude humanity.
Note: I don't hate humanity and I don't consider humanity to be a cancer. I find Mass Effect's humanity to be dull and uninteresting after the first Mass Effect but that's not why I dislike the things I've mentioned above: it's because I don't think they make sense.
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Post by MasterJukes on Sept 10, 2016 19:53:39 GMT
But Ryder is human, the protagonists of this game are humans, what did you expect? A Krogan-Centric game? I know we all hate humanity, because let's face that the humance race is the cancer of this planet and we wanted to see even more of the other races, but that's not going to happen and it was obvious this game was going to be human-centric since it was first announced. It's not that Ryder is a human or that the viewpoint is human: it's that some of us have gotten the (admittedly perhaps mistaken) impression primarily because of the wording that the ARKs were primarily funded by humanity. To some, it also seems like humanity leads the races in the Andromeda galaxy which does not seem like it would make a whole lot of sense.
It would make far more sense if this was a Council project since not only have those races been around for much longer, they would also be more likely to have the technology and the resources necessary to make the ARKs a reality with other races pitching in. This wouldn't be a case of the others races or humanity sucking as much as it would simply be a case of the Council races just having been around for much longer and having had time to develop access to such resources.
It would also make sense if the ARKs had a multiracial leadership as oppose to one race being the head honchos. A multiracial leadership wouldn't even need to exclude humanity.
Note: I don't hate humanity and I don't consider humanity to be a cancer. I find Mass Effect's humanity to be dull and uninteresting after the first Mass Effect but that's not why I dislike the things I've mentioned above: it's because I don't think they make sense.
I envy your capacity of not hating humanity, sincerely I've lost all my faith in the human race a few years ago. Also I agree with your viewpoint, it would really make more sense if it was a Council Project and if I remember correctly, it was always said in the first trilogy that the Asari was the most advanced race in the Milky Way, wasn't it? Because they had some extra help from the Protheans...
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Post by Sartoz on Sept 10, 2016 23:32:32 GMT
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Note: I don't hate humanity and I don't consider humanity to be a cancer. I find Mass Effect's humanity to be dull and uninteresting after the first Mass Effect but that's not why I dislike the things I've mentioned above: it's because I don't think they make sense.
I envy your capacity of not hating humanity, sincerely I've lost all my faith in the human race a few years ago. Also I agree with your viewpoint, it would really make more sense if it was a Council Project and if I remember correctly, it was always said in the first trilogy that the Asari was the most advanced race in the Milky Way, wasn't it? Because they had some extra help from the Protheans... <<<<<<<<<<(0)>>>>>>>>>> Speculation If you think about it, Drive and Will go a long way to get things done. A High tech civilization, with a life span of a thousand years will, by its nature, give the individual a long term view. In other words, it's becomes unnecessary to hustle and bustle in a 9-5 job. This attitude insinuates itself into every level of the Asari government . As a result, they make loooong term plans. Shep's "we gotta do something now" or Adena's pleas just doesn't resonate with them. I'm surprised at the Salarians, though.
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Post by goishen on Sept 11, 2016 0:15:36 GMT
I'm actually not as surprised at the salarians. If you think about it, who's the most likely to get into an argument? People with average to low intelligence? Or People who have higher than usual intelligence? My money's on people with higher than usual intelligence.
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Post by zlojeb on Sept 11, 2016 1:19:41 GMT
Since we're already using liar liar...
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