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Post by Sartoz on Sept 10, 2016 1:05:09 GMT
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From an interview with Aaryn Flynn.
-"Andromeda opens with you traveling to the Andromeda Galaxy" -"You fled the Milky Way galaxy...to start a new home for humanity" -"You brought along other races that pitched in too." -"The story begins as you arrive.." -"Now it's your job as the Pathfinder to begin to start the process to build a new home for humanity.." -"You got to do explorations, take on quests... there is a galactic mystery that you need to figure out..and work your way through that .. that form the critical path of the story line.... will we succeed in starting our new home or will we fail"
Note: not truly verbatim...
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Post by Sartoz on Sept 10, 2016 1:10:20 GMT
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Aaryn suggests that the ARKCON project is strictly a human Alliance initiative. Only those aliens that pitched in were brought along.
This implies Turians, Asari, Salarians and Krogans.
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Post by Petroshenko on Sept 10, 2016 1:17:09 GMT
Well, sounds reaching to me Alliance would be already plotting a voyage to another galaxy when it barely entered galactic scene in the Milky Way lol. But well, that seems to be the premise they're going with
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Sept 10, 2016 1:19:29 GMT
<<<<<<<<<<(0)>>>>>>>>>> From an interview with Aaryn Flynn. -" Andromeda opens with you traveling to the Andromeda Galaxy" -"You fled the Milky Way galaxy...to start a new home for humanity" -"You brought along other races that pitched in too." -"The story begins as you arrive.." -"Now it's your job as the Pathfinder to begin to start the process to build a new home for humanity.." -"You got to do explorations, take on quests... there is a galactic mystery that you need to figure out..and work your way through that .. that form the critical path of the story line.... will we succeed in starting our new home or will we fail"
Note: not truly verbatim...
link:
So yet another game where it is a human-centric ego-stroking because humans are superspecialawesome.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Sept 10, 2016 1:21:19 GMT
<<<<<<<<<<(0)>>>>>>>>>> Aaryn suggests that the ARKCON project is strictly a human Alliance initiative. Only those aliens that pitched in were brought along. This implies Turians, Asari, Salarians and Krogans. Here's hoping every race pitched in then. Well, sounds reaching to me Alliance would be already plotting a voyage to another galaxy when it barely entered galactic scene in the Milky Way lol. But well, that seems to be the premise they're going with "Gee, we've only been at this for 30 years and seen less than 1% of the Milky Way. Better start doing something races millennia more advanced than us haven't been able to do and create ships to go to a whole new galaxy." Utterly ridiculous.
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Post by Sartoz on Sept 10, 2016 3:23:32 GMT
Well, sounds reaching to me Alliance would be already plotting a voyage to another galaxy when it barely entered galactic scene in the Milky Way lol. But well, that seems to be the premise they're going with <<<<<<<<<<(0)>>>>>>>>> True. However, the good news is that the Alliance has colonization experience. Plus they came up with those prefab colony buildings that we saw in ME1-3. That made prefab manufacturing a no brainer and like cargo containers they all come in one size that can be slapped together to make "bigger buildings" or even a small town. These units fit perfect in the ARKs from a storage point of view. I can see that this phase of the project was quite easy to do and quick to complete. Now obviously the Salarians and Asaris and Krogans "pitched in". To what extent we don't know. But the " we brought them along" suggests the Alliance was in control.
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Post by Sartoz on Sept 10, 2016 3:35:28 GMT
<<<<<<<<<<(0)>>>>>>>>>> From an interview with Aaryn Flynn. -" Andromeda opens with you traveling to the Andromeda Galaxy" -"You fled the Milky Way galaxy...to start a new home for humanity" -"You brought along other races that pitched in too." -"The story begins as you arrive.." -"Now it's your job as the Pathfinder to begin to start the process to build a new home for humanity.." -"You got to do explorations, take on quests... there is a galactic mystery that you need to figure out..and work your way through that .. that form the critical path of the story line.... will we succeed in starting our new home or will we fail"
Note: not truly verbatim...
link:
So yet another game where it is a human-centric ego-stroking because humans are superspecialawesome. <<<<<<<<<<(0)>>>>>>>>>> I don't understand. Aaryn did say that the studio wants the player to feel they are the aliens. Which is why they designed strange planets and architectures. No ego stroking here. On the other hand it is a human centric story. Nothing we can do about that.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Sept 10, 2016 3:38:17 GMT
So yet another game where it is a human-centric ego-stroking because humans are superspecialawesome. <<<<<<<<<<(0)>>>>>>>>>> I don't understand. Aaryn did say that the studio wants the player to feel they are the aliens. Which is why they designed strange planets and architectures. No ego stroking here. On the other hand it is a human centric story. Nothing we can do about that. The fact that humans are able to do something that races with literally millennia more experience than we have are unable to do and were only able to pitch in because humans are just better than them is ego-stroking.
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Post by goishen on Sept 10, 2016 3:40:53 GMT
So yet another game where it is a human-centric ego-stroking because humans are superspecialawesome. Meh. I liked the idea of playing as an alien in my younger days, but I think that was to escape the whole reality of my own existence type of thing. Now, I'm perfectly fine in playing as a human, knowing that in my lifetime, we'll prolly never see the surface of another planet.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Sept 10, 2016 3:42:40 GMT
So yet another game where it is a human-centric ego-stroking because humans are superspecialawesome. Meh. I liked the idea of playing as an alien in my younger days, but I think that was to escape the whole reality of my own existence type of thing. Now, I'm perfectly fine in playing as a human, knowing that in my lifetime, we'll prolly never see the surface of another planet. Has nothing to do with playing as only a human, though I would love that feature. It is them making humanity the chosen race that the entire universe revolves around and the other races pale in comparison that irks me.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Sept 10, 2016 3:43:59 GMT
Now obviously the Salarians and Asaris and Krogans "pitched in". To what extent we don't know. But the " we brought them along" suggests the Alliance was in control. I'm curious about how in the world would the Krogan have pitched in in any way, though? At the time these ships are being made, Krogan aren't even allowed starships.
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Post by goishen on Sept 10, 2016 3:46:36 GMT
Meh. I liked the idea of playing as an alien in my younger days, but I think that was to escape the whole reality of my own existence type of thing. Now, I'm perfectly fine in playing as a human, knowing that in my lifetime, we'll prolly never see the surface of another planet. Has nothing to do with playing as only a human, though I would love that feature. It is them making humanity the chosen race that the entire universe revolves around and the other races pale in comparison that irks me. You know all the arguments I could make against that, about how we were the underdogs in ME1, etc. It's only in ME2 and ME3 that we were truly separated. Some might say it's because we were "super special", some might say it's because the reapers saw us as the biggest threat. Both to galactic stability and to them. Who knows?
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Post by Sartoz on Sept 10, 2016 3:48:06 GMT
Now obviously the Salarians and Asaris and Krogans "pitched in". To what extent we don't know. But the " we brought them along" suggests the Alliance was in control. I'm curious about how in the world would the Krogan have pitched in in any way, though? At the time these ships are being made, Krogan aren't even allowed starships. <<<<<<<<<<(0)>>>>>>>>>> Now, that, is an interesting question. Unless they were the hard labour force that put the ARKs together or the prefab buildings. = construction workers that got a free ride to elsewhere.
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Post by theflyingzamboni on Sept 10, 2016 3:52:11 GMT
Meh. I liked the idea of playing as an alien in my younger days, but I think that was to escape the whole reality of my own existence type of thing. Now, I'm perfectly fine in playing as a human, knowing that in my lifetime, we'll prolly never see the surface of another planet. Has nothing to do with playing as only a human, though I would love that feature. It is them making humanity the chosen race that the entire universe revolves around and the other races pale in comparison that irks me. Same. Although I wasn't sure why until I read this. And now I know. Because let's be honest, it's just western imperialism/"manifest destiny" in space. Imagine if they set this story in the time of American colonization... Different faces, same story.
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Post by Sartoz on Sept 10, 2016 3:59:47 GMT
Has nothing to do with playing as only a human, though I would love that feature. It is them making humanity the chosen race that the entire universe revolves around and the other races pale in comparison that irks me. Same. Although I wasn't sure why until I read this. And now I know. Because let's be honest, it's just western imperialism/"manifest destiny" in space. Imagine if they set this story in the time of American colonization... Different faces, same story. <<<<<<<<<<(0)>>>>>>>>>> What sci-fi story and chars would you write in the ME IP?
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Post by theflyingzamboni on Sept 10, 2016 4:12:00 GMT
Same. Although I wasn't sure why until I read this. And now I know. Because let's be honest, it's just western imperialism/"manifest destiny" in space. Imagine if they set this story in the time of American colonization... Different faces, same story. <<<<<<<<<<(0)>>>>>>>>>> What sci-fi story and chars would you write in the ME IP? To be clear, I'm talking about the MEU relationship between humans and other MW aliens in this game, from what they've said so far. Unless the game itself contradicts me, I see the venture to Andromeda as more of exploration for curiosity's sake than a "manifest destiny"-style land/resource acquisition. I imagine they'll let you play it either way, and I'm fine with that. It's just the basic ideas behind human exceptionalism in the MW that bother me. "American exceptionalism" is a thing I have to deal with all the time, and as an American it gets really fucking grating. Seeing that same kind of idea forming the basis for the story of a game I want to play is irksome. I wouldn't necessarily have written a different story, but I would have framed it as a collective effort between MW races. Rather than the super-special human race doing everything and letting those silly alien societies help out and tag along if they were useful. Goodness knows how they got along without the white man I mean humans to help them out.
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Post by Sartoz on Sept 10, 2016 5:07:34 GMT
<<<<<<<<<<(0)>>>>>>>>>> What sci-fi story and chars would you write in the ME IP? Snip I wouldn't necessarily have written a different story, but I would have framed it as a collective effort between MW races. Snip <<<<<<<<<<(0)>>>>>>>>>> Hm... collective effort...interesting viewpoint. I'll counter you, if you don't mind. -The Vorcha are short lived with low intelligence. No value in cultivating them except as canon fodder by the criminal elements. -The Krogans are mean son-of-bitches as mercenaries. But they have no cohesion, no collective will. Other than killing machines, also useless. -The Elcor are heavy gravity species that outside their home world have done what exactly, to influence the galactic races? Their psychology is extremely conservative. Innovation and new ideas are not who they are. -The Hanar are religious nuts... useless as well, in the greater scheme of things. - The Volus are a client race to the Turians. They must wear pressure suits and are not physically adept. Their only influence is through commerce. Fat good that will do in Andromeda. - The Drell are few in numbers and most live in a climate controlled city in the Hanar home world. The have no influence in the grand scheme of things. - The Batarians have isolated themselves, in their home world and are forbidden to leave by their paranoid government. - The Quarians are stuck in their dilapidated fleet with a dream to reprogramming the Geth and reclaim their home world. Yes, they are good engineers. A few can probably be of value and are willing to travel to Andromeda. - The Geth? I don't trust a machine AI, after the Terminator movies I could go on. The only species that can give the humans competition are: Asari, Salarians and Turians. Though, Turians, as a military society, have turned themselves into the galactic police and little else. The three older Council races don't trust or want little to do with these upstart humans. If I look at the above picture, what I come up with is this. "If you want something done, you do it yourself". So, the Alliance took the Bull by the horn and ran with it. I just don't see the ego-stroking in the Andromeda story because co-operation, in this instance, also requires that each species have something to offer.... something of value to the ARKCON project.
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Post by BansheeOwnage on Sept 10, 2016 5:26:54 GMT
<<<<<<<<<<(0)>>>>>>>>>> Aaryn suggests that the ARKCON project is strictly a human Alliance initiative. Only those aliens that pitched in were brought along. This implies Turians, Asari, Salarians and Krogans. Here's hoping every race pitched in then. Well, sounds reaching to me Alliance would be already plotting a voyage to another galaxy when it barely entered galactic scene in the Milky Way lol. But well, that seems to be the premise they're going with "Gee, we've only been at this for 30 years and seen less than 1% of the Milky Way. Better start doing something races millennia more advanced than us haven't been able to do and create ships to go to a whole new galaxy." Utterly ridiculous. 1. Me too... And I know we don't know enough yet, but this sounds like it might be an excuse to shoo away the less popular species (which I'd find doubly annoying since I really wanted to see more elcor, hanar, and volus in prominent roles). Not to mention the Geth, my favourite species, but we all saw that coming at least Anyway, can we take a moment to pause and realize the implications of "taking the species who contributed" please? If this is really true, it's downright horrible. What, you didn't help with the classified project? Okay, we'll leave your entire species to die here, see ya suckers! What the heck, writers/Alliance? 2. I agree, it makes less than no sense. Much better for a species new to interstellar travel to start colonizing a local area than to send a crazy amount of highly advanced resources on a one-way trip to another galaxy that has a high chance of failure, which of course was what humanity was doing before the ME trilogy. Just another way this retcon messes with what came before. And about that technology... Where exactly did they manage to build starships ridiculously more advanced than any Citadel species has, and why aren't they being used in the war effort? But no matter how advanced they are, there is one piece of technology they will not have: QECs. Why? Well, then they'd have to address the endings, because the Arks would contact Earth when they arrive at Andromeda, or Earth would contact them once the war is over. But nope. Bioware is going to tell us that (despite them apparently being so common all squadmates had access to one to talk to you at the end of ME3) they never thought to equip the Ark ships with the only real-time communication technology that currently exists. Ugh, that just... ugh. See, this is why I hate the premise of ME:A. It completely disregards what came before. It makes no sense. <<<<<<<<<<(0)>>>>>>>>>> I don't understand. Aaryn did say that the studio wants the player to feel they are the aliens. Which is why they designed strange planets and architectures. No ego stroking here. On the other hand it is a human centric story. Nothing we can do about that. The fact that humans are able to do something that races with literally millennia more experience than we have are unable to do and were only able to pitch in because humans are just better than them is ego-stroking. That bugs me too. An Alliance project? Are they serious? Why didn't they just say it was a Council Race initiative? That at least would have made some sense. But humans, the least experienced, least advanced species will, in 30 years of discovering ME technology, figure out a way to travel to distant galaxies when no one else has? Yeah, it's Humans Are Special, no way around it. I was hoping we'd be done with that after the first trilogy Now obviously the Salarians and Asaris and Krogans "pitched in". To what extent we don't know. But the " we brought them along" suggests the Alliance was in control. I'm curious about how in the world would the Krogan have pitched in in any way, though? At the time these ships are being made, Krogan aren't even allowed starships. I was wondering that too, but I've got nothing. And I guess we won't be seeing the quarians? How could they have possibly helped given their exile, and then war (that took place while the Arks launched, no less). Rant over, for now.
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Post by straykat on Sept 10, 2016 5:43:04 GMT
That bugs me too. An Alliance project? Are they serious? Why didn't they just say it was a Council Race initiative? That at least would have made some sense. But humans, the least experienced, least advanced species will, in 30 years of discovering ME technology, figure out a way to travel to distant galaxies when no one else has? Yeah, it's Humans Are Special, no way around it. I was hoping we'd be done with that after the first trilogy Well, I'm gonna say we should've just moved on in the first place. This game was unnecessary. But no one wants to hear that. Many want some kind of longevity and "franchise" potential out of it. But this is what you get. And while Humans were special in the original, it still had an air of humility about it. At least until 3. It was just colony defense, where people squeezed out a living on worlds no one wanted to live... and they constantly got jacked in the process. Nihlus' first lines hinted at how pathetic it was. "Is the Alliance truly ready for this?" So the idea that Shepard was a human hero had some charm to it.
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Post by shechinah on Sept 10, 2016 9:18:51 GMT
That bugs me too. An Alliance project? Are they serious? Why didn't they just say it was a Council Race initiative? That at least would have made some sense. But humans, the least experienced, least advanced species will, in 30 years of discovering ME technology, figure out a way to travel to distant galaxies when no one else has? Yeah, it's Humans Are Special, no way around it. I was hoping we'd be done with that after the first trilogy And while Humans were special in the original, it still had an air of humility about it. At least until 3. It was just colony defense, where people squeezed out a living on worlds no one wanted to live... and they constantly got jacked in the process. Nihlus' first lines hinted at how pathetic it was. "Is the Alliance truly ready for this?" So the idea that Shepard was a human hero had some charm to it. I always thought the first Mass Effect had the best and most interesting portrayal of humanity out of the games in the trilogy: look at Ashley who loved human poetry, was religious to an extent and had a xenophobic tinge to her character that seemed realistic given her family and humanity's history. Humanity had a sense of an identity that was influenced by their culture(s) and history especially the First Contact War.
As you said, there was a sense of humility to it including in that humanity made mistakes in how they handled certain things like biotics. I also think that they portrayed humanity's determination as both an asset and a flaw: humanity has accomplished a lot in their short time in space like, say, building colonies but at the same time, it seems this is also a flaw because they seem to sometimes bite off more than they can chew like not always being able to properly protect their colonies. After the first Mass Effect, I felt humanity became the blandest of the races and they just stopped being interesting to me. Individuals could still be interesting but humanity itself didn't interest me the same way the turians, krogan, salarian, batarian or even the asari did.
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Post by shechinah on Sept 10, 2016 9:25:04 GMT
I'm going to repost three of my posts from the Twitter thread. This rant only applies if the ARKs do turn out to be a human project that has humanity in charge.
"It's partially because it dosen't seem to make sense that this was a human project given the likely amount of resources, technology, time and funds that needed to be dedicated to this. It'd make more sense if this was a Council project where humanity pitched in. It's not as if this would make humanity suck or anything: it's just that the Council races would have the largest amount of what would be needed."
"It's still my worry that it is going to emphasises humanity because I think this would be the worse time for it since all of the Milky races are refugees: we're literally all in the same boat. We should be taking shifts rowing and generally be working together because we would be strongest together.
Think about it: We have the turian's hat of discipline and military know-how, we have the salarian's hat of intelligence and creativity, we have the asari's hat of biotics and diplomacy, we have humanity's hat of adaptability and determination, we have the volus' hat of building strong and steady economies, we have the krogan's hat of hardiness and so on.
Together, we have the best chance of surviving and building a new civilisation. I'm not in Mass Effect for humanity, I'm in Mass Effect for things like the other races. "
"Not to mention how going back to status quo of how the races interact and see each other would be such a wasted oppertunity in my opinion: this would be the time where the races would develop and be different from how they were in the Milky Way. They are in a whole new galaxy where they have to adapt to new challenges and survive with no safety net.
Humanity might even stop being bland and be more like Mass Effect 1's humanity: you know, like Ashley demonstrating a love for poetry and having a religion with a xenophobic tinge to her character that was realistic given the history of Mass Effect's humanity. The aliens get to have religions and poetry. I mean, we had a krogan reciting poetry."
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Post by straykat on Sept 10, 2016 9:29:21 GMT
And while Humans were special in the original, it still had an air of humility about it. At least until 3. It was just colony defense, where people squeezed out a living on worlds no one wanted to live... and they constantly got jacked in the process. Nihlus' first lines hinted at how pathetic it was. "Is the Alliance truly ready for this?" So the idea that Shepard was a human hero had some charm to it. I always thought the first Mass Effect had the best and most interesting portrayal of humanity out of the games in the trilogy: look at Ashley who loved human poetry, was religious to an extent and had a xenophobic tinge to her character that seemed realistic given her family and humanity's history. Humanity had a sense of an identity that was influenced by their culture(s) and history especially the First Contact War.
As you said, there was a sense of humility to it including in that humanity made mistakes in how they handled certain things like biotics. I also think that they portrayed humanity's determination as both an asset and a flaw: humanity has accomplished a lot in their short time in space like, say, building colonies but at the same time, it seems this is also a flaw because they seem to sometimes bite off more than they can chew like not always being able to properly protect their colonies. After the first Mass Effect, I felt humanity became the blandest of the races and they just stopped being interesting to me. Individuals could still be interesting but humanity itself didn't interest me the same way the turians, krogan, salarian, batarian or even the asari did.
I agree, but I think it applies to 2 as well. It's still just about colony defense and people getting by, living in those makeshift buildings and getting kidnapped by Collectors. They're not special per se. They're pretty helpless. And then they meet a terrible end no matter what. Humanity doesn't really win anything here. It just ends with you or TIM deciding who's really going to look out for them from now on.
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Post by shechinah on Sept 10, 2016 9:46:07 GMT
I agree, but I think it applies to 2 as well. It's still just about colony defense and people getting by, living in those makeshift buildings and getting kidnapped by Collectors. They're not special per se. They're pretty helpless. And then they meet a terrible end no matter what. Humanity doesn't really win anything here. It just ends with you or TIM deciding who's really going to look out for them from now on. I'll admit the flaw still applies to an extent in Mass Effect 2 but I still consider them more or less a bland race because outside of Kasumi, I felt humanity lost a lot of characterization they'd had in the first game. It began to feel like they expected you to care about Mass Effect's humanity simply because they were humans but that dosen't work for me because they aren't real life humans so I don't care about them simply because they exist.
Earth, I felt, was a pretty egregious example of this. We've only ever seen Mass Effect's Earth from space and we've never been able to set foot on Earth yet it felt like they wanted us to be invested in Earth. Compare Earth to the Citadel: the Citadel was a hub that players could and did visit in each of the games. The players could explore it and they saw it change over time. including from events that had occured. They met people who lived there. It was the stage for important events like meeting companions and Shepard becoming a Spectre to name a few. I was personally invested in the Citadel because of all of that allowed me to built a connection with it.
Example: when I heard that Cerberus (I still wonder how) or the Reapers had taken the Citadel, I was worried about some of the people I'd met there and hoping they had made it to safety. I still wanted to know by the end of the game.
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Post by straykat on Sept 10, 2016 9:50:43 GMT
I agree, but I think it applies to 2 as well. It's still just about colony defense and people getting by, living in those makeshift buildings and getting kidnapped by Collectors. They're not special per se. They're pretty helpless. And then they meet a terrible end no matter what. Humanity doesn't really win anything here. It just ends with you or TIM deciding who's really going to look out for them from now on. I'll admit the flaw still applies to an extent in Mass Effect 2 but I still consider them more or less a bland race because outside of Kasumi, I felt humanity lost a lot of characterization they'd had in the first game. It began to feel like they expected you to care about Mass Effect's humanity simply because they were humans but that dosen't work for me because they aren't real life humans so I don't care about them simply because they exist.
Earth, I felt, was a pretty egregious example of this. We've only ever seen Mass Effect's Earth from space and we've never been able to set foot on Earth yet it felt like they wanted us to be invested in Earth. Compare Earth to the Citadel: the Citadel was a hub that players could and did visit in each of the games. The players could explore it and they saw it change over time. including from events that had occured. They met people who lived there. It was the stage for important events like meeting companions and Shepard becoming a Spectre to name a few. I was personally invested in the Citadel because of all of that allowed me to built a connection with it.
Example: when I heard that Cerberus (I still wonder how) or the Reapers had taken the Citadel, I was worried about some of the people I'd met there and hoping they had made it to safety. I still wanted to know by the end of the game.
I suppose I understand that. Tbh, the humans I care about most in 2 are David and Jack.. and they're victims of fellow humans. But I love the main theme still, even if it's not entirely personal. "Fight for the Lost"... that was like their advertising gimmick at the time.
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Post by colfoley on Sept 10, 2016 10:36:07 GMT
Interesting. But this does bring up one potential problem. Since launching the Arks was likely as a result of the Reaper invasion it seems odd that humanity would do something of this major nature in terms of resources since they were the ones who were mainly working on the Crucible Project. Sure it makes sense that they would pitch in a little bit if another race was to take the lead on it, say the Asari, but the leaders? Nope. Makes no sense.
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