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Post by Deleted on May 19, 2017 9:17:35 GMT
Maybe this thread or topic has already been brought up and I can understand the game devs decision not to include any trace or word of reapers in Andromeda.
But..if the reapers are as advanced as we have seen in ME 1 through 3 and reapers reside in dark space between galaxies would they be drawn to Andromeda.
I mean you have the kett, angara and remnant. Surely the reapers would want to harvest their tech and turn them into goo..
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Post by liquidsnake on May 19, 2017 11:24:04 GMT
No. They were created by Leviathan's race to take care of the "problem" with organic and synthetic war in the Milky Way galaxy. That is their function, and they return to the Milky Way every 50,000 years to carry out their solution. It's not in their design or interest to start branching out and exploring around every galaxy in the universe (of which the Hubble Telescope estimates there are 100 billion, meaning there are likely far more). It would be a completely infeasible task for the Reapers to hunt down organics in every single galaxy across the universe. They were created for the Milky Way. The Milky Way they stay.
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Post by corsair on May 19, 2017 12:07:09 GMT
No. They were created by Leviathan's race to take care of the "problem" with organic and synthetic war in the Milky Way galaxy. That is their function, and they return to the Milky Way every 50,000 years to carry out their solution. It's not in their design or interest to start branching out and exploring around every galaxy in the universe (of which the Hubble Telescope estimates there are 100 billion, meaning there are likely far more). It would be a completely infeasible task for the Reapers to hunt down organics in every single galaxy across the universe. They were created for the Milky Way. The Milky Way they stay. I concur. But what would happen if the Reapers knew the Initiative were travelling to Andromeda? Do you think they would follow them?
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Post by tjmitchem on May 19, 2017 12:28:45 GMT
No. They were created by Leviathan's race to take care of the "problem" with organic and synthetic war in the Milky Way galaxy. That is their function, and they return to the Milky Way every 50,000 years to carry out their solution. It's not in their design or interest to start branching out and exploring around every galaxy in the universe (of which the Hubble Telescope estimates there are 100 billion, meaning there are likely far more). It would be a completely infeasible task for the Reapers to hunt down organics in every single galaxy across the universe. They were created for the Milky Way. The Milky Way they stay. I concur. But what would happen if the Reapers knew the Initiative were travelling to Andromeda? Do you think they would follow them? Why would the Reapers care? "On the way to Andromeda" = "Not in the Milky Way. Zero fucks given"
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Post by Sanunes on May 19, 2017 12:35:11 GMT
No. They were created by Leviathan's race to take care of the "problem" with organic and synthetic war in the Milky Way galaxy. That is their function, and they return to the Milky Way every 50,000 years to carry out their solution. It's not in their design or interest to start branching out and exploring around every galaxy in the universe (of which the Hubble Telescope estimates there are 100 billion, meaning there are likely far more). It would be a completely infeasible task for the Reapers to hunt down organics in every single galaxy across the universe. They were created for the Milky Way. The Milky Way they stay. I concur. But what would happen if the Reapers knew the Initiative were travelling to Andromeda? Do you think they would follow them? It would depend on their programming, personally I doubt it because they were created to solve the AI problem in the Milky Way. The Reapers felt they had the perfect solution until Humanity screwed it up, for they would go to the Citadel shut down the relays after making all species completely reliant on them so they wouldn't develop other technology that could allow species to go to other galaxies.
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Post by chris2365 on May 19, 2017 12:39:20 GMT
Devs have confirmed that the Reapers only care about the Milky Way galaxy. So the Initiative has nothing to worry about with regards to Reapers
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Post by tantumdicverbo on May 19, 2017 12:40:43 GMT
I concur. But what would happen if the Reapers knew the Initiative were travelling to Andromeda? Do you think they would follow them? Why would the Reapers care? "On the way to Andromeda" = "Not in the Milky Way. Zero fucks given" Except that people who know about them are demonstrating an ability to travel to a new galaxy in a mere few hundred years. That means thousands of years to develop their own technology outside of Reaper influence, and with the enormous advantage of using element zero tech as a starting point. With 49000 years or so to work on the problem, they could end up coming back before the next harvest cycle with a lot of surprising new technology that far exceeds the level artifical maintained by the Reapers in the Milky Way. I think the Reapers would feel the need to respond.
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Post by themikefest on May 19, 2017 12:40:54 GMT
The Reapers felt they had the perfect solution until Humanity screwed it up, for they would go to the Citadel shut down the relays after making all species completely reliant on them so they wouldn't develop other technology that could allow species to go to other galaxies. Humanity didn't screw anything up. It was the prothean scientists. If it wasn't for them, the reapers would have harvested this cycle
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Post by decafhigh on May 19, 2017 12:44:49 GMT
I don't see why they would restrict themselves to just the Milky Way. It would make perfect sense to me for the Reapers to have branched out to other galaxies.
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Post by Rivercurse on May 19, 2017 12:49:59 GMT
"To preserve life at any cost". Not life in the Milky Way. This debate rages every single time this thread pops up.
Even if the intelligence was programmed to care about the MW and only the MW, there's no telling how an AI of it's complexity could branch beyond it's mandate or it's programming over the course of millions of years. Life is life, irrespective of galaxy or scope of original mission.
Anything is possible, and no one knows for sure. There's almost no chance the Reapers will figure anywhere in the Andromeda arc, but if Bio really wanted them to they have tonnes of options/ways to make it happen.
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Post by Deleted on May 19, 2017 12:57:28 GMT
The reapers won't come because it likely won't benefit the game or profits or the story. Also, if the reapers come it nullifies the endings. They were either destroyed, controlled or turned to friendlies via synthesis based on the choices given. If they come to milkyway then that changes the endings because with synthesis they should be happy in their perfect utopia, with destroy and control they have no choice where they could come.
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Post by Deleted on May 19, 2017 12:58:17 GMT
No and I don't even care about logical reason. I'm done with the Reapers. Keep them in the Milky Way.
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Post by Deleted on May 19, 2017 13:15:17 GMT
I think it adds more to the whole new direction bioware were taking while developing the game.
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Post by ozzie on May 19, 2017 16:55:39 GMT
No. They were created by Leviathan's race to take care of the "problem" with organic and synthetic war in the Milky Way galaxy. That is their function, and they return to the Milky Way every 50,000 years to carry out their solution. It's not in their design or interest to start branching out and exploring around every galaxy in the universe (of which the Hubble Telescope estimates there are 100 billion, meaning there are likely far more). It would be a completely infeasible task for the Reapers to hunt down organics in every single galaxy across the universe. They were created for the Milky Way. The Milky Way they stay. But what if that was why they only appear every 50000 years? they are busy with the other galaxies and it just happens that the MW is part of a 50000 year patrol. A timeless being/race (whatever we want to call them) like the Reapers would most certainly concern themselves with the Andromeda galaxy given it's destiny to merge with the Milky Way in a paltry 4Bn years. The last thing they want is a more advanced civilisation wiping them out and undoing all their works when that happens.
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Post by Seera1024 on May 19, 2017 17:11:02 GMT
I don't care whether or not they were able to do so or not or had any desire to do so, I'd rather not fight Reapers or their minions in ME games centered in the Andromeda Galaxy. I already spent 3 games fighting them and dealt with them at the end of ME3. I want to fight new species like the Kett or whatever species took out the Jardaan and the Remnant or whatever species sent the Scourge if it wasn't a defense mechanism by a friendly species that went wrong.
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Post by griffith82 on May 19, 2017 17:12:58 GMT
No. They were created by Leviathan's race to take care of the "problem" with organic and synthetic war in the Milky Way galaxy. That is their function, and they return to the Milky Way every 50,000 years to carry out their solution. It's not in their design or interest to start branching out and exploring around every galaxy in the universe (of which the Hubble Telescope estimates there are 100 billion, meaning there are likely far more). It would be a completely infeasible task for the Reapers to hunt down organics in every single galaxy across the universe. They were created for the Milky Way. The Milky Way they stay. But what if that was why they only appear every 50000 years? they are busy with the other galaxies and it just happens that the MW is part of a 50000 year patrol. A timeless being/race (whatever we want to call them) like the Reapers would most certainly concern themselves with the Andromeda galaxy given it's destiny to merge with the Milky Way in a paltry 4Bn years. The last thing they want is a more advanced civilisation wiping them out and undoing all their works when that happens. Except it is clearly stated that the Reapers only are interested in the MW.
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Post by liquidsnake on May 19, 2017 17:27:29 GMT
No. They were created by Leviathan's race to take care of the "problem" with organic and synthetic war in the Milky Way galaxy. That is their function, and they return to the Milky Way every 50,000 years to carry out their solution. It's not in their design or interest to start branching out and exploring around every galaxy in the universe (of which the Hubble Telescope estimates there are 100 billion, meaning there are likely far more). It would be a completely infeasible task for the Reapers to hunt down organics in every single galaxy across the universe. They were created for the Milky Way. The Milky Way they stay. But what if that was why they only appear every 50000 years? they are busy with the other galaxies and it just happens that the MW is part of a 50000 year patrol. A timeless being/race (whatever we want to call them) like the Reapers would most certainly concern themselves with the Andromeda galaxy given it's destiny to merge with the Milky Way in a paltry 4Bn years. The last thing they want is a more advanced civilisation wiping them out and undoing all their works when that happens. They wouldn't be able to search and cull 100 billion galaxies or far more than that (considering that's only how many our technology of today estimates exist) in 50,000 years. Especially when Liara says in game that it took several centuries to wipe out the Protheans. Assuming they can cull a galaxy in 200 years, which is frankly being conservative, it would take them 20 trillion years to cull the universe without even factoring any travel time in. So... no. I suppose that's assuming there is organic life that is creating synthetic life in every single galaxy but if they were really concerned with the entire universe, that would require them to constantly be cycling every single galaxy to check. I don't really know how they would just KNOW where life is during each cycle and they would have no way of knowing if one galaxy from the last cycle hasn't sprung up organic life that has become advanced the next cycle. So they would have to constantly be checking to see if there is life and if they have synthetic creations etc. That's quite a bit of legwork to cycle back to the Milky Way every 50,000 years. Also, when the Leviathan race created the reapers however many millions of years prior to our ME timeline I'm sure they didn't really care about the rest of the universe and were concerned with what was going on right there in their own galaxy. Which is what they did care about and what they did. Assuming they even knew that the Milky Way and Andromeda would at some point in the future collide, I don't think they really cared at that point. They wanted something to fix the issue they faced at that moment. They didn't even want to be wiped out. To put it in more perspective, the Reapers would have to search and wipe out 2 million galaxies PER YEAR to make it back to the Milky Way on time for their scheduled annihilation.
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Post by kino on May 19, 2017 17:34:49 GMT
The Leviathan DLC explains a lot of the reasoning behind the Reapers, their purpose and programing. The Leviathans were only concerned about "their" galaxy.
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Post by Iakus on May 19, 2017 18:57:17 GMT
Maybe this thread or topic has already been brought up and I can understand the game devs decision not to include any trace or word of reapers in Andromeda. But..if the reapers are as advanced as we have seen in ME 1 through 3 and reapers reside in dark space between galaxies would they be drawn to Andromeda. I mean you have the kett, angara and remnant. Surely the reapers would want to harvest their tech and turn them into goo.. I've been saying this ever since Andromeda was announced.
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Post by Iakus on May 19, 2017 18:58:12 GMT
I concur. But what would happen if the Reapers knew the Initiative were travelling to Andromeda? Do you think they would follow them? Why would the Reapers care? "On the way to Andromeda" = "Not in the Milky Way. Zero fucks given" Until synthetic life comes to the Milky Way from Andromeda and starts "inevitably" killing all biological life.
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Post by Iakus on May 19, 2017 18:58:56 GMT
The Leviathan DLC explains a lot of the reasoning behind the Reapers, their purpose and programing. The Leviathans were only concerned about "their" galaxy. The Reapers kinda showed how many f*cks they gave about what the Leviathans wanted when they started mulching them.
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Post by Iakus on May 19, 2017 19:11:08 GMT
I concur. But what would happen if the Reapers knew the Initiative were travelling to Andromeda? Do you think they would follow them? It would depend on their programming, personally I doubt it because they were created to solve the AI problem in the Milky Way. The Reapers felt they had the perfect solution until Humanity screwed it up, for they would go to the Citadel shut down the relays after making all species completely reliant on them so they wouldn't develop other technology that could allow species to go to other galaxies. Leviathan: Over time, the species built machines that then destroyed them. Tribute does not flow from a dead race. To solve this problem, we created an intelligence with the mandate to preserve life at any cost.Leviathan: The intelligence has one purpose: preservation of life. Catalyst: They created me to oversee the relations between synthetic and organic life - to establish a connection. But our efforts always ended in conflict. So a new solution was required.Nothing either the Leviathans nor the Catalyst say restricts the Reapers to the Milky Way. Only the realization that Bioware royally screwed the pooch with them keeps them out of Andromeda.
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Post by AnDromedary on May 19, 2017 19:15:57 GMT
Oh, this thread takes me back to my very first post on these boards. The nostalgia... Note: There were a lot of unknowns still in these days which are answered today. So today we can say with certainty, the quetion how we go to Andromeda is answered with the ODSY drive which makes no sense. The question as to why we go never really got answered at all (I still don't quite know why Garson thought this was a particularly good idea when she started) and the question as to why it's not mentioned and how the catalyst/the reapers could possibly ignore the implications of the AI is still a mystery as well. So, in summary ... the whole thing was, is and remains a hot mess.
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Post by decafhigh on May 19, 2017 20:07:12 GMT
Oh, this thread takes me back to my very first post on these boards. The nostalgia... Note: There were a lot of unknowns still in these days which are answered today. So today we can say with certainty, the quetion how we go to Andromeda is answered with the ODSY drive which makes no sense. The question as to why we go never really got answered at all (I still don't quite know why Garson thought this was a particularly good idea when she started) and the question as to why it's not mentioned and how the catalyst/the reapers could possibly ignore the implications of the AI is still a mystery as well. So, in summary ... the whole thing was, is and remains a hot mess. Yeah there is a level of writing that once you drop below it you just have to stop asking logical questions or else the whole thing falls apart. I don't get the impression MEA is supposed to be looked at this deeply.
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Post by traks on May 19, 2017 20:37:28 GMT
I don't see why they would restrict themselves to just the Milky Way. It would make perfect sense to me for the Reapers to have branched out to other galaxies. 2 things: 1) They don't restrict themselves, it is their programming. 2) If 1 doesn't apply, we still wouldn't see any Reapers in Andromeda, because Shepard solved that problem a long time ago.
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