I recently had the chance to be amused by yet another reminder that gamers are fickle divas, what with all the Sturm und Drang surrounding CDPR's announcement of their plans for the future. A few years ago, the studio was God's gift to gaming, goddamn geniuses who could do no wrong, Cyberpunk 2077 was gonna be the greatest game ever and bring about world peace, all because they had made one very successful game. Now the narrative is CDPR is dead, they're talentless hacks, they've learned nothing, all their future games are gonna suck, all on the basis of one bad release.
Not quite. The latest news is how CDPR has turned the game around with the latest patches and it is now declared "fixed" by the media and players alike.
Plus we have the latest massive resurgence of players after the success of the Edgerunners anime. On top of that, CDPR is back with the announcement of the sequal. More hype!
There's also me who have been enjoying the game since day one. I just chuckle at these things and keep playing.
There's also me who have been enjoying the game since day one. I just chuckle at these things and keep playing.
To be fair, as someone who hasn't played the game but followed its development and reception, while it does seem CDPR was misleading about how unpolished the game was on release, particularly on consoles, I get the impression most of the disappointment over alleged "lies" comes from folks overhyping themselves and imagining the game to be something it was never meant to be or even marketed as.
There were so many people expecting a simulation or GTA-style sandbox, rather than a sci fi Witcher 3—an open world that's a series of pretty but mostly non-interactive set pieces for the story missions, with a fair amount of filler thrown in as in every open world. Meanwhile, I have this distinct memory of one of the quest designers for Cyberpunk being asked by an interviewer what there was to do in the game besides doing quests. The response was, pretty much, "sidequests."
And not to belabor the point, but it's interesting how things no one cared about in Witcher 3 suddenly become issues in Cyberpunk. In the former, Roach controls like crap and bugs out all the time, there is no amazing police system, I don't think you can even interact with most NPCs in any way besides bumping into them, there's vast stretches of contentless wilderness, and you can't take Triss on a date to a noodle shop in Novigrad or choose whether to purchase a villa in Toussaint or a hovel in Skellige.
Different genres bring different expectations. CDPR clearly is trying to straddle the line between Deus Ex and GTA. TW3 doesn't require the same kind of interactivity because the questing, exploration, talking to NPCs, looting etc are the gameplay loop. In an open world urban setting, you need a different gameplay loop. You have to make NPC reactions more dynamic, cars more relevant to missions rather than scripted action sequences. You need to have a purpose to such a complex, layered city so it feels unpredictable and full of stuff to do. This is why they've already added more random events and why they'll be implementing vehicular combat and a full police system. Also, TW3's AI actually was better because 2077's NPC AI at launch was straight up broken.
In my current V run, Mr. Sandy Gorilla we'll call him, I have followed Fixer instructions to the letter. When I am getting paid for a job, I do it the way they want.
I can't find interest in pacifism for this game, like in Deus Ex. First, the characters to be killed or spared are generally less sympathetic in ny opinion than the average DE story NPC. Second, the game world doesn't really care how I do things, it doesn't really react to me <<this is the kicker, and still a disappointment in the game>>. Finally, no achievements related to it.
If the world cared about my actions, or there was a carrot on a stick (cheevo) I would definitely play non-lethal (it's my first approach on DE everytime). For me, and again I am not saying for you but for me - Night City is not a place for wishful thinking. You can dream in bed, on the streets you better be on your toes.
It's not about doing it for the achievement or my personal wishful thinking. I mean after 1300 hours, I've seen and done pretty much everything this game has to offer. So it's just fun for me to try out different playstyles and the game gives me the freedom to do that. It's as simple as that.
I guess for roleplaying, my current V has developed rather unconventional principles in a place like Night City. There's already enough crime and violence in the city, my V doesn't need to contribute more. No spoilers are allowed here. So I'll just say, for once, I can finally have a good final payout for the gig "They Won't Go When I Go."
That's fun, for you.
I wasn't trying to tell you how to have fun, or that killing people is the best way to play Cyberpunk. Like you, I have found my own ways to have fun in-game, and it is interesting that our two methods of entertaining ourselves are so different, but that's just people being people so only a little interesting.
I wasn't preaching. If it was a persistent world MMO you would absolutely hate me. But it isn't
There's also me who have been enjoying the game since day one. I just chuckle at these things and keep playing.
To be fair, as someone who hasn't played the game but followed its development and reception, while it does seem CDPR was misleading about how unpolished the game was on release, particularly on consoles, I get the impression most of the disappointment over alleged "lies" comes from folks overhyping themselves and imagining the game to be something it was never meant to be or even marketed as.
Lol. Didn't follow the marketing much, did you?
And not to belabor the point, but it's interesting how things no one cared about in Witcher 3 suddenly become issues in Cyberpunk. In the former, Roach controls like crap and bugs out all the time, there is no amazing police system, I don't think you can even interact with most NPCs in any way besides bumping into them, there's vast stretches of contentless wilderness, and you can't take Triss on a date to a noodle shop in Novigrad or choose whether to purchase a villa in Toussaint or a hovel in Skellige.
These points, I find a little frustrating because I don't know how to address them properly, so I think they are ultimately good points.
The car driving never bothered me, except on release when the road would occasionally eat you for fun. The world had tons of Z-axis collision issues, most have been addressed.
The police system - see marketing you never saw. Not slices, not beta builds with "content that may not represent actual gameplay", marketing.
The NPC interaction - yes, is pretty much exactly like Witcher games. This again goes to marketing, the AI systems of the game were touted to be the heart of what we would get. There was a lot of hype created by CDPR, they never tampered down any of it.
It is easy to hate "the gamers" for overreacting, now that the game is fixed well enough for all the devices it was sold on to be fully played and enjoyed. It was always at base a game with a compelling, if linear, story, and some well crafted sidequests in a beautifully planned map. It was mostly playable on a good PC from day one, but there were broken quests all over the place.
I appreciate that some people just had a blast from day 1 and never had many problems with the game. This is just as anecdotal an experience as the complainers, it is not more valid.
I am enjoying Edgerunners. I love the game, despite wishing it was the game they said it would be. The truest claim made was by Pawel - "The entire game is a meme."
I wasn't trying to tell you how to have fun, or that killing people is the best way to play Cyberpunk. Like you, I have found my own ways to have fun in-game, and it is interesting that our two methods of entertaining ourselves are so different, but that's just people being people so only a little interesting.
I wasn't preaching. If it was a persistent world MMO you would absolutely hate me. But it isn't
Yeah, I just like to explore different playstyles, experience different methods, and try out new dialogue options as well. Even though I get the same results most of the time in this game. I would be mad to keep doing the same things over and over again in my 1300 hours of playtime.
It's a single player game, so do whatever you want and have fun. If it was an online multiplayer game, I would take a completely different approach to everything.
Post by Pounce de León on Oct 10, 2022 11:06:33 GMT
Pacing compared to TW is completely different. Density of map encounters too. Urban world plays differently to rural open world. The big city (Novigead?) is OK as backdrop for TW3 it would be no use in an urban centric game. Too static, not enough random stuff.
Post by Pounce de León on Oct 10, 2022 11:13:46 GMT
CP2077 is a decent urban open world experience on PC. The only thing that soured it was that it took so long to get patches. And new content still isnt there. I might have done around a dozen playthrus and dont feel like doing another - I've seen about everything, tried any build. I'm kinda done and you cant sell stuff to people who are done.
CP2077 is a decent urban open world experience on PC. The only thing that soured it was that it took so long to get patches. And new content still isnt there. I might have done around a dozen playthrus and dont feel like doing another - I've seen about everything, tried any build. I'm kinda done and you cant sell stuff to people who are done.
The bolded is very Yogi Berra, and Yogi was often very right.
I am glad that I reached this point before ever playing it, and let them have lots of time (until 1.52) for me to jump back in. I haven't done that many playthroughs, but already the veneer is thin. However, I'm not done yet and can still find fun in the game and am looking forward to the DLC.
That said, what you describe is a real thing and publishers need to wake up to this. I am done with R* and Ubi, and the number of people like me there is growing. I am mostly done with EA - I follow BioWare and will buy their games if they are good enough, but a title from another EA dev is going to take a ton of praise for me to buy at any price. Damage to brands is not easily reversed, and the idiots in charge these days think that somehow the world changed. It didn't.
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Post by Unicephalon 40-D on Oct 12, 2022 18:58:38 GMT
Thats me in the corner, there... yeah. But apart from this not a lot of bugs seen, or lets say game breaking ones.
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So apparently Sasha Grey will be voicing Ash, the DJ/radio host of GrowlFM and part of Mox. She voiced Viola DeWynter in 2 Saints Row games, so this would be her third video game.
So apparently Sasha Grey will be voicing Ash, the DJ/radio host of GrowlFM and part of Mox. She voiced Viola DeWynter in 2 Saints Row games, so this would be her third video game.
This is news, but it isn't news, but to some people it is massive news and to others it may be the 7th Seal of the Apocalypse.
I have seen maybe two pieces of her earlier "body of work". Not my kink, but certainly she gained fame there. People are allowed to grow and move forward with life, and for that I am happy for her and celebrate that. If she does a good job with the VA, then great nothing to see here actor acts.
It will be under a microscope because of CDPR bro culture and puritanical hate. It is an interesting decision for CDPR. If they can keep it in their pants and she does a solid job, it will be a good hire.
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I have seen maybe two pieces of her earlier "body of work". Not my kink, but certainly she gained fame there. People are allowed to grow and move forward with life, and for that I am happy for her and celebrate that. If she does a good job with the VA, then great nothing to see here actor acts.
She stopped doing adult videos like ten years ago and has been doing some normie acting (including voice acting) since then - what's the point of bringing up her porn career at this point?
So apparently Sasha Grey will be voicing Ash, the DJ/radio host of GrowlFM and part of Mox. She voiced Viola DeWynter in 2 Saints Row games, so this would be her third video game.
This is news, but it isn't news, but to some people it is massive news and to others it may be the 7th Seal of the Apocalypse.
I have seen maybe two pieces of her earlier "body of work". Not my kink, but certainly she gained fame there. People are allowed to grow and move forward with life, and for that I am happy for her and celebrate that. If she does a good job with the VA, then great nothing to see here actor acts.
It will be under a microscope because of CDPR bro culture and puritanical hate. It is an interesting decision for CDPR. If they can keep it in their pants and she does a solid job, it will be a good hire.
She wouldn't have been my first choice because she's not a professional voice actor. She does however sound great in that clip so if she can pull it off then good for her. Them hiring a porn star to voice a Mox member is pretty cheeky.
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I have seen maybe two pieces of her earlier "body of work". Not my kink, but certainly she gained fame there. People are allowed to grow and move forward with life, and for that I am happy for her and celebrate that. If she does a good job with the VA, then great nothing to see here actor acts.
She stopped doing adult videos like ten years ago and has been doing some normie acting (including voice acting) since then - what's the point of bringing up her porn career at this point?
That's why she goes by her born name now, right?
She literally made her current name up, to be a porn star. "Sasha Grey" is famous for being a pornstar. You do know that, yeah?
If that is coarse to you, sorry I hit a sensitive spot - I am simply speaking the truth. You cannot say Sasha Grey and not think of porn, if that was the single and only reason you ever knew her name in the first place. That's a non-trivial portion of the populace.
So apparently Sasha Grey will be voicing Ash, the DJ/radio host of GrowlFM and part of Mox. She voiced Viola DeWynter in 2 Saints Row games, so this would be her third video game.
This is news, but it isn't news, but to some people it is massive news and to others it may be the 7th Seal of the Apocalypse.
I have seen maybe two pieces of her earlier "body of work". Not my kink, but certainly she gained fame there. People are allowed to grow and move forward with life, and for that I am happy for her and celebrate that. If she does a good job with the VA, then great nothing to see here actor acts.
It will be under a microscope because of CDPR bro culture and puritanical hate. It is an interesting decision for CDPR. If they can keep it in their pants and she does a solid job, it will be a good hire.
She sounded good. Felt very 'Night City-ish' in her delivery.
I feel like CDPR will get hate from those two sources regardless. And in both instances, some of it will be deserved and the vast majority of it will not.
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This is news, but it isn't news, but to some people it is massive news and to others it may be the 7th Seal of the Apocalypse.
I have seen maybe two pieces of her earlier "body of work". Not my kink, but certainly she gained fame there. People are allowed to grow and move forward with life, and for that I am happy for her and celebrate that. If she does a good job with the VA, then great nothing to see here actor acts.
It will be under a microscope because of CDPR bro culture and puritanical hate. It is an interesting decision for CDPR. If they can keep it in their pants and she does a solid job, it will be a good hire.
She sounded good. Felt very 'Night City-ish' in her delivery.
I feel like CDPR will get hate from those two sources regardless. And in both instances, some of it will be deserved and the vast majority of it will not.
I will judge her work, by judging her work when I play the game. This sounds, crazy. I know.
I have no prejudice, I don't care if she got famous knitting kitten capes and then wanted to be an actress. I made the comment because whether or not her past will be brought up was already moot when posted - it has been brought up, and will be again.
I am encouraged that you got a good NC vibe from the clip, I am trying not to spoil the DLC much myself thus why posting in this thread
She sounded good. Felt very 'Night City-ish' in her delivery.
I feel like CDPR will get hate from those two sources regardless. And in both instances, some of it will be deserved and the vast majority of it will not.
I will judge her work, by judging her work when I play the game. This sounds, crazy. I know.
Madness.
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She literally made her current name up, to be a porn star. "Sasha Grey" is famous for being a pornstar. You do know that, yeah?
I've never heard of her to be honest, but then I don't really follow porn stars.
I guess it makes sense to hire a her for a Mox role.
That's the thing. I don't want to appear like a deviant, because I'm not. I don't watch a lot of porn, and didn't watch a lot of porn when she became famous either. However, I knew her name from the water cooler, because that's how the water cooler works. She burst onto the scene in a big way, and made a big name for herself. None of that was by accident, she leveraged what she looked like with what she was ok with doing, and now she gets to do cool things like act in video games.
I am a fan of what she has done with her life. I am not judging anyone for being a porn performer - if it is made by consenting adults, there is very little chance something "wrong" is happening.