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Post by slimgrin727 on Jul 9, 2020 22:05:31 GMT
I'm stoked that CDPR are putting the same amount of effort into world building that they did in The Witcher, though this time more of it is of their own creation. They've worked with Talsorian and Pondsmith from the beginning to write the history and lore.
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Post by turianlannister on Jul 9, 2020 22:49:48 GMT
forums.cdprojektred.com/index.php?threads/cyberpunk-2077-screenshot-master-thread.11012780/
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Post by Son of Dorn on Jul 10, 2020 15:58:43 GMT
I hope this game ends up being good.
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Post by therevanchist25 on Jul 11, 2020 11:53:45 GMT
I hope this game ends up being good. i mean, I would basically expect a bigger Witcher 3. A game with highly polished narrative elements with middling, acceptable combat mechanics.
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Post by Kappa Neko on Jul 11, 2020 14:34:46 GMT
What is it with the constant W3 combat bashing?? I LOVED the fluid fast combat. Thought it was super fun in a simple sort of way. I actually had FUN clearing the map because combat was so enjoyable. Loads better than DAI's boring ass combat. Never understood that complaint.
I'll probably enjoy Cyberpunk's combat a lot less. In fact, if it wasn't CDPR, I wouldn't look at this game twice. I expect the gunplay to be quite brutal so I'll try to avoid fights as much as possible. I'm in for the role-playing aspect, not the combat. Or the music. Or the setting really, lol.
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Post by Gwydden on Jul 11, 2020 17:59:19 GMT
What is it with the constant W3 combat bashing?? I LOVED the fluid fast combat. Thought it was super fun in a simple sort of way. I actually had FUN clearing the map because combat was so enjoyable. Loads better than DAI's boring ass combat. Never understood that complaint. You're comparing action to tactical combat—apples and oranges. The objection comes from comparing TW3 to other hack-and-slash games and ARPGs. Almost every battle can be beaten with the same roll, attack, attack, roll pattern, there's hardly any build variety, alchemy is kind of pointless... Mechanically, TW3 was really nothing special.
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Post by Kappa Neko on Jul 11, 2020 18:59:26 GMT
You're comparing action to tactical combat—apples and oranges. The objection comes from comparing TW3 to other hack-and-slash games and ARPGs. Almost every battle can be beaten with the same roll, attack, attack, roll pattern, there's hardly any build variety, alchemy is kind of pointless... Mechanically, TW3 was really nothing special. I wasn't saying combat style was comparable, just that DAI's combat sucked and W3's was fun to me personally. I guess I like simple non tactical but fast combat where timing is key. Combat doesn't have to be complicated to be fun. Maybe that's why I was so addicted to ME3MP. Only three abilities and yet exhilarating. It was all about timing too. I thought HZD had super fun combat too even though it was fairly simple as well. Personal taste and all. It's just that almost everyone disliked W3's combat whenever it's brought up online and I really don't get what's so bad about it. I really don't.
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Post by dragontartare on Jul 11, 2020 23:22:49 GMT
What is it with the constant W3 combat bashing?? I LOVED the fluid fast combat. Thought it was super fun in a simple sort of way. I actually had FUN clearing the map because combat was so enjoyable. Loads better than DAI's boring ass combat. Never understood that complaint. I'll probably enjoy Cyberpunk's combat a lot less. In fact, if it wasn't CDPR, I wouldn't look at this game twice. I expect the gunplay to be quite brutal so I'll try to avoid fights as much as possible. I'm in for the role-playing aspect, not the combat. Or the music. Or the setting really, lol. I didn't like TW3's combat at first because I was so used to pausing in BW games, that my reaction times weren't fast enough. However, I ended up finding it really fun once I got better at it. Cyberpunk is probably going to cause another new adjustment period for me, and I hope my silly fingers can adjust. I don't think DAI's combat is boring, exactly, but if either of these games can be accused of having encounters that are able to be beaten with the exact same attack pattern, it's DAI. By a long shot.
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Post by dragontartare on Jul 12, 2020 1:02:52 GMT
I'm not seeing any twisted knickers, personally. Parlock is just saying that since CDPR claims they don't believe in "combating phenomena which we regard as evil," he thinks the game itself will not tackle political issues of the genre. I don't agree with his conclusion, but I don't think it's completely irrational either.
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Post by UutIVvdPw7END0Ef on Jul 12, 2020 11:31:16 GMT
I'm not seeing any twisted knickers, personally. Parlock is just saying that since CDPR claims they don't believe in "combating phenomena which we regard as evil," he thinks the game itself will not tackle political issues of the genre. I don't agree with his conclusion, but I don't think it's completely irrational either. He was quoting Maria Ossowska and Karl Popper on the subject of tolerance, i don't see how that means the game won't have difficult subjects considering CP2077 is canon and the way they make gray characters and stories like in the TW.
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Post by therevanchist25 on Jul 12, 2020 15:18:00 GMT
I'm not seeing any twisted knickers, personally. Parlock is just saying that since CDPR claims they don't believe in "combating phenomena which we regard as evil," he thinks the game itself will not tackle political issues of the genre. I don't agree with his conclusion, but I don't think it's completely irrational either. He was quoting Maria Ossowska and Karl Popper on the subject of tolerance, i don't see how that means the game won't have difficult subjects considering CP2077 is canon and the way they make gray characters and stories like in the TW. Not to mention Mr Pondsmith has been involved with development at every single stage of production. One of the founders of the genre is going to ensure you deal with Cyberpunk style politics. The difference is, Cyberpunk politics probably isn't going to include a lot of things people want to see, because a lot of those things are non issues by that point. Like body modifications, what gender are you, orientation and so forth. Cyberpunk transcends those questions, Cyberpunk is more philosophical than that, typically. Like "What is the human soul? does it exist? How many machine parts can I attach before it disappears? Or will it? At what point am I no longer human? Questions about, as one anime aptly put it decades ago, The Ghost in the Shell. Freedom vs Security, Corporations ruling over society and what that means, weather or not it's a good thing. Stuff like that.
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Post by slimgrin727 on Jul 12, 2020 16:22:24 GMT
From reading the original interview, it seems Badowski was only saying they embrace diversity in the company but don't let it get in the way of the project and their ability to collaborate. So personal politics are set aside when it's time to work. This just seems like common sense to me. On the topic of politics in the game, Pondmsith has said they aren't avoiding them, but they don't want to preach. And as therevanchist25 pointed out, this is the future and also considered an alternate timeline. We likely won't see current political trends represented. That's the sticking point with some progressives who've been saying for it to be properly 'punk' it has to address trans issues, racism, capitalism etc as they see those things now. It has to speak out against the current situation. I'd personally hate this for a number of reasons, mostly because at the end of the day this is still escapism and not a work of activism.
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Post by dragontartare on Jul 12, 2020 20:39:56 GMT
I'm not seeing any twisted knickers, personally. Parlock is just saying that since CDPR claims they don't believe in "combating phenomena which we regard as evil," he thinks the game itself will not tackle political issues of the genre. I don't agree with his conclusion, but I don't think it's completely irrational either. He was quoting Maria Ossowska and Karl Popper on the subject of tolerance, i don't see how that means the game won't have difficult subjects considering CP2077 is canon and the way they make gray characters and stories like in the TW. Right, I did say I don’t agree with him, just pointing out that I didn’t see anyone’s panties in a bunch. I can see that his train of thought might be that if the studio avoids conflict with regard to political issues, then they must be avoiding those issues within the game itself, since the studio would then have to discuss those issues that they were avoiding. Since we got TW3, obviously the studio found ways to discuss problematic issues in the game despite what the quote said. But if we hadn’t gotten TW3, then I could certainly see the article’s interpretation as plausible.
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Post by therevanchist25 on Jul 12, 2020 22:44:01 GMT
A lot of it also comes from people I think, not actually understanding what a Dystopian Cyberpunk world actually means. It means you're going to see horrible things by the standards of our society that we live in, things that are wholly normalized and accepted. like exploitation of sex, gender, and literally everything else you can imagine for the sake of marketing and profit generation. Because Corporations LITERALLY rule the world. Imagine a world where Jeff Beezos literally, in a material sense, owns the Government, and can do absolutely anything he wants without legal consequence. He can own and field entire armies, wage war against other cities that are owned by, for example, Walmart. Who also owns their own private armies. imagine the hellscape such a society would be according to the standards of the world we live in.
In our current political climate I'm not sure people are fully prepared for it. Their going to see a lot of things they don't want to see by the nature of the Cyberpunk genre. Pure, unregulated Corporate Capitalism taken to it's most horrific extremes. it's literally a worst nightmare situation for many in this day and age.
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Post by masterwarderz on Jul 13, 2020 3:33:09 GMT
He was quoting Maria Ossowska and Karl Popper on the subject of tolerance, i don't see how that means the game won't have difficult subjects considering CP2077 is canon and the way they make gray characters and stories like in the TW. Not to mention Mr Pondsmith has been involved with development at every single stage of production. One of the founders of the genre is going to ensure you deal with Cyberpunk style politics. The difference is, Cyberpunk politics probably isn't going to include a lot of things people want to see, because a lot of those things are non issues by that point. Like body modifications, what gender are you, orientation and so forth. Cyberpunk transcends those questions, Cyberpunk is more philosophical than that, typically. Like "What is the human soul? does it exist? How many machine parts can I attach before it disappears? Or will it? At what point am I no longer human? Questions about, as one anime aptly put it decades ago, The Ghost in the Shell. Freedom vs Security, Corporations ruling over society and what that means, weather or not it's a good thing. Stuff like that. You left out everyone basically becoming racially inclusive to the point of absurdity. I suppose everyone focuses upon the transhumanism and corporate state to the point of forgetting about that bit. o.o I personally find it fascinating to see that portrayed though I expect a very neutered version of it for 77 if its included at all.
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Post by therevanchist25 on Jul 13, 2020 8:55:06 GMT
Not to mention Mr Pondsmith has been involved with development at every single stage of production. One of the founders of the genre is going to ensure you deal with Cyberpunk style politics. The difference is, Cyberpunk politics probably isn't going to include a lot of things people want to see, because a lot of those things are non issues by that point. Like body modifications, what gender are you, orientation and so forth. Cyberpunk transcends those questions, Cyberpunk is more philosophical than that, typically. Like "What is the human soul? does it exist? How many machine parts can I attach before it disappears? Or will it? At what point am I no longer human? Questions about, as one anime aptly put it decades ago, The Ghost in the Shell. Freedom vs Security, Corporations ruling over society and what that means, weather or not it's a good thing. Stuff like that. You left out everyone basically becoming racially inclusive to the point of absurdity. I suppose everyone focuses upon the transhumanism and corporate state to the point of forgetting about that bit. o.o I personally find it fascinating to see that portrayed though I expect a very neutered version of it for 77 if its included at all. I mean, I didn't forget. I personally just lump that into the transhumanism. Because how can someone be racist when you've reached a point where you don't know what even being human is?
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Post by masterwarderz on Jul 13, 2020 11:07:42 GMT
You left out everyone basically becoming racially inclusive to the point of absurdity. I suppose everyone focuses upon the transhumanism and corporate state to the point of forgetting about that bit. o.o I personally find it fascinating to see that portrayed though I expect a very neutered version of it for 77 if its included at all. I mean, I didn't forget. I personally just lump that into the transhumanism. Because how can someone be racist when you've reached a point where you don't know what even being human is? Because everything boils down into an either social or racial enclave in the game? Its either all about the corps or its all about race, its either all borgs and skins or its all about race, from the background fluff to the actual factions described in the modules of 2020 its the world and a major piece of it and it falls well away of just being another element of transhumanism. Also I do hope they include the 14mm Borg rifle because I just remember loving the fact you could augment yourself to the point of being able to shoot a fully automatic 14mm style battle rifle
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