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Post by colfoley on Jun 8, 2017 5:17:28 GMT
if he survived then the twins wouldn't have been pathfinder. Why? When he transferred everything to his kid he believed he was going to die, but survived. Once he regained conciousness, he wouldn''t be able to do much because of the injury that he suffered to his hip/upper leg. ah i misunderstood the parameters. In that case...well all we can do is assume what he told Cora and what her reactions would be. |
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Post by General Mahad on Jun 8, 2017 8:47:19 GMT
The way I see it:
Sheperd earned his/her spot as a warrior, Ryder got his/her daddy's chair.
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Post by smilesja on Jun 13, 2017 17:23:18 GMT
The way I see it: Sheperd earned his/her spot as a warrior, Ryder got his/her daddy's chair. And the story is about Ryder earning that right to get that spot |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 13, 2017 18:46:17 GMT
And the story is about Ryder earning that right to get that spot Hardly, considering all the actual heavy lifting is done by SAM. |
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Post by smilesja on Jun 13, 2017 18:47:48 GMT
And the story is about Ryder earning that right to get that spot Hardly, considering all the actual heavy lifting is done by SAM. SAM did help but Ryder's choices and accomplishments such as gaining the squads trust and helping the initiative be successful was mostly Ryder |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 13, 2017 18:54:45 GMT
SAM did help but Ryder's choices and accomplishments such as gaining the squads trust and helping the initiative be successful was mostly Ryder Any interaction with Remnant/Kett Technology required SAM to step and do it's plot magic. Without SAM no vault's would be activated, not Kett facilty would be infiltrated and no locked door would be opened meaning Ryder would be practically be stuck at square one. |
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Post by colfoley on Jun 13, 2017 18:56:02 GMT
Honestly the more i think of it the more i realize it's hard to tell exactly where Ryder begins and SAM ends. This does not take away from Ryders accomplishments merely points out that the two have a symbiotic relationship.
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Post by colfoley on Jun 13, 2017 18:58:21 GMT
SAM did help but Ryder's choices and accomplishments such as gaining the squads trust and helping the initiative be successful was mostly Ryder Any interaction with Remnant/Kett Technology required SAM to step and do it's plot magic. Without SAM no vault's would be activated, not Kett facilty would be infiltrated and no locked door would be opened meaning Ryder would be practically be stuck at square one. you know the same is true for anyone else in the universe. Shepard for all their machismo would be just as unable to do anything. And if Ryder can't bring SAM and SAM makes Ryder an impotent Character then Shepard can't bring EDI. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 13, 2017 19:02:38 GMT
you know the same is true for anyone else in the universe. Shepard for all their machismo would be just as unable to do anything. And if Ryder can't bring SAM and SAM makes Ryder an impotent Character then Shepard can't bring EDI. Agreed, Mass Effect's tendacy to have the protagonist's succes depend on omnipotent AI has not done the story quality much good. |
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Post by colfoley on Jun 13, 2017 19:09:10 GMT
you know the same is true for anyone else in the universe. Shepard for all their machismo would be just as unable to do anything. And if Ryder can't bring SAM and SAM makes Ryder an impotent Character then Shepard can't bring EDI. Agreed, Mass Effect's tendacy to have the protagonist's succes depend on omnipotent AI has not done the story quality much good. unexpected. But it does miss the point. Ryder may not be able to do much without SAM but the same logic applies to sam. He can't do much without Ryder. SAM provides analysis and enhancements. Ryder does and decides. Ryder earns their spot as Pathfinder. |
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Post by themikefest on Jun 13, 2017 19:14:52 GMT
you know the same is true for anyone else in the universe. Shepard for all their machismo would be just as unable to do anything. And if Ryder can't bring SAM and SAM makes Ryder an impotent Character then Shepard can't bring EDI. Shepard didn't need the edi thing to stop Saren |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 13, 2017 19:16:38 GMT
unexpected. But it does miss the point. Ryder may not be able to do much without SAM but the same logic applies to sam. He can't do much without Ryder. SAM provides analysis and enhancements. Ryder does and decides. Ryder earns their spot as Pathfinder. Without SAM Remnant Vaults remain offline and the worlds remain uninhabitable. Ryder's Succes is 100% depandant on SAM's ability to interact with Remnant (And other) Alien technology. SAM Meanwhile, doesn't a specific individual, anybody with an implant should suffice: Cora, Liam, Ryder's Sibling, Fisher, Greer, Raeka, etc. |
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Post by colfoley on Jun 13, 2017 20:00:53 GMT
unexpected. But it does miss the point. Ryder may not be able to do much without SAM but the same logic applies to sam. He can't do much without Ryder. SAM provides analysis and enhancements. Ryder does and decides. Ryder earns their spot as Pathfinder. Without SAM Remnant Vaults remain offline and the worlds remain uninhabitable. Ryder's Succes is 100% depandant on SAM's ability to interact with Remnant (And other) Alien technology. SAM Meanwhile, doesn't a specific individual, anybody with an implant should suffice: Cora, Liam, Ryder's Sibling, Fisher, Greer, Raeka, etc. the end of the game proves the lie to that statement. Also not true. Granted it is slightly debatable but do you really think that Greer...who essentially let a broken.leg get in the way of being on.the team...or for that matter Liam...could do with SAM what Ryder did? You must have such a low opinion of Ryder and their abilities that it borders on the absurd. |
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Post by themikefest on Jun 13, 2017 20:41:34 GMT
that Greer...who essentially let a broken.leg get in the way of being on.the team.. It was Fisher that believes he has a broken leg. Greer is the one facing two Kett when Ryder shows up to save him |
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Post by colfoley on Jun 13, 2017 20:45:29 GMT
that Greer...who essentially let a broken.leg get in the way of being on.the team.. It was Fisher that believes he has a broken leg. Greer is the one facing two Kett when Ryder shows up to save him point taken but then that makes him even more unfit to be Pathfinder since nothing happened to him. |
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Post by themikefest on Jun 13, 2017 20:48:20 GMT
point taken but then that makes him even more unfit to be Pathfinder since nothing happened to him. Never said he was. Even if he was, he came across as someone who doesn't want to be put in a leadership position. |
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Post by obatalaryder on Jun 13, 2017 23:03:14 GMT
And the story is about Ryder earning that right to get that spot Hardly, considering all the actual heavy lifting is done by SAM. Did you miss the last part of the game where Ryder manages to access Remnant tech and even summons a fleet without the assistance of SAM? Ryder earning his/her role and finally able to fit into the shoes of their father are explored in the last mission of the game. |
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Post by colfoley on Jun 13, 2017 23:19:08 GMT
The fact is we have a before and after portrait of Ryder with SAM.
Before (habitat 7): Ryder demonstrated leadership, combat ability, and the ability to adapt to various situations. All the while facing extreme combat, witnessing the murder of their fellow squadmstes, and the death of their father...but they did not fold.
After (meridian): Ryder shows strength and deterioration in the face of tremendous pain...the ability to use remnant tech, and tactical and strategic thinking.
All without SAM.
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Post by tjmitchem on Jun 14, 2017 1:23:51 GMT
After (meridian): Ryder shows strength and deterioration in the face of tremendous pain...the ability to use remnant tech, and tactical and strategic thinking. All without SAM. This. Pulling an entire Remnant fleet out of your ass is no small feet. As for people claiming Ryder is a door mat? In my playthrus, Ryder tells the AI leadership what they want to hear or what will placate them, then goes off and does whatever the hell s/he wants  |
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Post by colfoley on Jun 14, 2017 1:29:08 GMT
After (meridian): Ryder shows strength and deterioration in the face of tremendous pain...the ability to use remnant tech, and tactical and strategic thinking. All without SAM. This. Pulling an entire Remnant fleet out of your ass is no small feet. As for people claiming Ryder is a door mat? In my playthrus, Ryder tells the AI leadership what they want to hear or what will placate them, then goes off and does whatever the hell s/he wants kind of Robert in a nut shell. |
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Post by tjmitchem on Jun 14, 2017 2:00:33 GMT
kind of Robert in a nut shell. Robert? |
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Post by colfoley on Jun 14, 2017 3:49:50 GMT
kind of Robert in a nut shell. Robert? my bro Ryder. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 14, 2017 8:10:00 GMT
Did you miss the last part of the game where Ryder manages to access Remnant tech and even summons a fleet without the assistance of SAM? That Interaction is still fully dependant on both the presenence the SAM implant in Ryder's body and Ryders Prior experience with activating Remnant technology. If SAM did not exist Ryder would have never made it that far. |
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