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Post by caterpillar on May 24, 2017 17:27:48 GMT
They are definitely aiming at younger audiences, probably around the same age as the Ryder twins. So early twenties. I stopped trying to relate to the characters and their coming of age stories, so I'm just along for the ride. My poor husband keeps trying and restarting, each time trying to make his Sara look older, giving her grayer hair, but it's not working for him. He says he can't take Ryder seriously, and he can't expect anyone on her crew to take her seriously because she's just this kid who got her job handed to her by her dad. Hehe, it's the sad fact of getting older, realizing the vast majority of entertainment and pop culture is not made for you. Most is aimed at the coveted 18-25 group. Still, the average gamer age is supposed to be around mid 30s nowadays, and DAI had an older cast. I'm sure they do have to think about attracting new and younger audiences though. Every time Drack would call Ryder (or anyone else) 'kid', I was just like, shit, I have turned that corner where I relate to the Old Guy Who Yells At Clouds.
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Post by alanc9 on May 24, 2017 17:35:38 GMT
The writing and characters are so infantile anyone over the age of 13 would not find them acceptable but the level of language and sex in the game make it inappropriate for kids. The tone and content of this game are like oil and water. Obviously, the devs don't share your premises. So any answer to your question will also have to assume that those premises are wrong.
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Post by Iakus on May 24, 2017 17:38:12 GMT
I wouldn't go that far. But I think they saw how much of a success the Citadel DLC was, and decided that laid back attitude could be used over the course of an entire game. I didn't like it, but others did. Yeah but the context around Citadel was different. It was a final DLC for a game that unleashed a storm of controversy over being too dark and depressing and sh*tting all over our characters. Citadel was to be a more upbeat send-off. A bit of light to balance the darkness. It's popularity largely came from contrast with the main game What was MEA trying to balance?
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Post by Deleted on May 24, 2017 17:39:30 GMT
I wouldn't go that far. But I think they saw how much of a success the Citadel DLC was, and decided that laid back attitude could be used over the course of an entire game. I didn't like it, but others did. Yeah but the context around Citadel was different. It was a final DLC for a game that unleashed a storm of controversy over being too dark and depressing and sh*tting all over our characters. Citadel was o be a more upbeat send-off. A bit of light to balance the darkness. What was MEA trying to balance? MEA wasn't balancing anything really. MEA is not ME4. It's meant to be the opposite of the trilogy. If you look around though, there's some deep, creepy and dark shit in MEA too, just no foreboding "end of the world" theme.
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Post by Iakus on May 24, 2017 17:40:45 GMT
Yeah but the context around Citadel was different. It was a final DLC for a game that unleashed a storm of controversy over being too dark and depressing and sh*tting all over our characters. Citadel was o be a more upbeat send-off. A bit of light to balance the darkness. What was MEA trying to balance? MEA wasn't balancing anything really. MEA is not ME4. It's meant to be the opposite of the trilogy. Ugh, don't say that! That means we'll get a grimdark DLC!
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Post by Deleted on May 24, 2017 17:41:40 GMT
MEA wasn't balancing anything really. MEA is not ME4. It's meant to be the opposite of the trilogy. Ugh, don't say that! That means we'll get a grimdark DLC! I think MEA2 will be darker. Not super dark, but dark enough to take on a tone that shows what didn't seem to matter in MEA is now coming back to bite us hard lol
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Post by Fen'Harel Faceman on May 24, 2017 17:43:49 GMT
The writing and characters are so infantile anyone over the age of 13 would not find them acceptable but the level of language and sex in the game make it inappropriate for kids. The tone and content of this game are like oil and water.
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Post by linksocarina on May 24, 2017 17:45:27 GMT
You ever watch Firefly?
That was the aim. Joss Whedon-style banter writing.
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Post by Deleted on May 24, 2017 17:52:40 GMT
At people with a sense of adventure who don't need everything to be grimdark, apparently.
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Post by djbare on May 24, 2017 17:53:45 GMT
I find it pretty mature but just to cheesy at times(and awkward at others). ^like cyp says, I think they tried incorporating citadel style to much into andromeda. I have to agree as far as the writing is concerned, and the fact the game does not change dialogue to reflect major changes, I just completed Elaaden(again), the water seller, I refused to let her continue, go back, and the dialogue is as if that quest never happened, population still complaining they have to buy the water from her, that's an example of quite a few like it in this game, these are not little forgettable side quests, they're the major side quests connected to the main quest, it's so poorly thought out, as for mature, huh yeh, I think Ryder gets to swear once in this game, just to say "F### Tann" oh, and "sh.." on occasion, I find the game to be pandering, I don't know who it's pandering too, but that's the way it feels. P.S, I will say I do enjoy the game if I fast skip through the dialogue.
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Post by Iakus on May 24, 2017 17:57:05 GMT
You ever watch Firefly? That was the aim. Joss Whedon-style banter writing. I've watched Firefly. I love that show. But MEA is not Firefly. Firefly is basically a crew of Han Solos out stealing, smuggling, and staying under the radar. MEA is "exploring strange new worlds" "seeking out new life and new civilizations". And oh, yeah, trying not to let tens of thousands of people slowly die as the power and food runs out. Not saying some humor would be inappropriate. But Mal Reynolds could not command the Enterprise.
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Post by abaris on May 24, 2017 17:58:43 GMT
P.S, I will say I do enjoy the game if I fast skip through the dialogue. I'd say the same on all accounts. The skip button has become my dearest friends in certain instances.
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Post by cypherj on May 24, 2017 17:59:44 GMT
You ever watch Firefly? That was the aim. Joss Whedon-style banter writing. But when they had to be serious in Firefly they were serious. When Mal and the crew came and found Shepard and all the people dead ME:A would have had Ryder or someone cracking a joke. Everything became serious after that, and other times when it needed to. The crew also had a range of personalities. You had Zoe/Simon all the way to Jayne. Pretty much everyone in ME:A was on Jayne's side of the line.
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Post by KaiserShep on May 24, 2017 18:00:49 GMT
You ever watch Firefly? That was the aim. Joss Whedon-style banter writing. I've watched Firefly. I love that show. But MEA is not Firefly. Firefly is basically a crew of Han Solos out stealing, smuggling, and staying under the radar. MEA is "exploring strange new worlds" "seeking out new life and new civilizations". And oh, yeah, trying not to let tens of thousands of people slowly die as the power and food runs out. Not saying some humor would be inappropriate. But Mal Reynolds could not command the Enterprise. Mal was a soldier, as was Zoe. Perhaps not the sort to command a starship, but could probably command a scouting vessel.
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Post by Iakus on May 24, 2017 18:05:18 GMT
I've watched Firefly. I love that show. But MEA is not Firefly. Firefly is basically a crew of Han Solos out stealing, smuggling, and staying under the radar. MEA is "exploring strange new worlds" "seeking out new life and new civilizations". And oh, yeah, trying not to let tens of thousands of people slowly die as the power and food runs out. Not saying some humor would be inappropriate. But Mal Reynolds could not command the Enterprise. Mal was a soldier, as was Zoe. Perhaps not the sort to command a starship, but could probably command a scouting vessel. Yeah, but aside from Kirk hitting on every female alien out there, the mood was (usually) more serious. Not grimdark, but not every episode featured tribbles either. Edit: basically, if they wanted to do a silly, light-hearted story, they should have had a silly, light-hearted plot to go with it. Not "If we don't fight off these genocidal aliens (which we are woefully, nay incompetently prepared for) and find some worlds to colonize WE ALL GONNA DIE!!!"
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Post by suikoden on May 24, 2017 18:18:20 GMT
The writing and characters are so infantile anyone over the age of 13 would not find them acceptable but the level of language and sex in the game make it inappropriate for kids. The tone and content of this game are like oil and water. Under 18 or under educated.
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Post by Sah291 on May 24, 2017 18:19:53 GMT
You ever watch Firefly? That was the aim. Joss Whedon-style banter writing. I've watched Firefly. I love that show. But MEA is not Firefly. Firefly is basically a crew of Han Solos out stealing, smuggling, and staying under the radar. MEA is "exploring strange new worlds" "seeking out new life and new civilizations". And oh, yeah, trying not to let tens of thousands of people slowly die as the power and food runs out. Not saying some humor would be inappropriate. But Mal Reynolds could not command the Enterprise. I'd say Scott Ryder is closer to young Kirk in the rebooted Trek. And Sara is a little reminiscent of...hmm I don't know, the rebooted Lara Croft maybe? But yeah they were obviously going for a similar style of humor, which Bioware has done quite a bit of in the past.
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Post by decafhigh on May 24, 2017 18:27:04 GMT
I'd say Scott Ryder is closer to young Kirk in the rebooted Trek. And Sara is a little reminiscent of...hmm I don't know, the rebooted Lara Croft maybe? Meh, maybe on the Scott comparison I can see a little bit of that but I'm not seeing that Sara/Lara comparison at all. But yeah they were obviously going for a similar style of humor, which Bioware has done quite a bit of in the past. MEA feels like it is going too hard for the Buffy tone (sticking with the Whedon comparison), which is fine for a story about a bunch of high school kids in a deliberately tongue in cheek supernatural setting. Not so much for an older crew in a sci-fi setting that is supposed to be taken seriously.
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Post by mmoblitz on May 24, 2017 18:42:54 GMT
They are definitely aiming at younger audiences, probably around the same age as the Ryder twins. So early twenties. I stopped trying to relate to the characters and their coming of age stories, so I'm just along for the ride. My poor husband keeps trying and restarting, each time trying to make his Sara look older, giving her grayer hair, but it's not working for him. He says he can't take Ryder seriously, and he can't expect anyone on her crew to take her seriously because she's just this kid who got her job handed to her by her dad. Hehe, it's the sad fact of getting older, realizing the vast majority of entertainment and pop culture is not made for you. Most is aimed at the coveted 18-25 group. Still, the average gamer age is supposed to be around mid 30s nowadays, and DAI had an older cast. I'm sure they do have to think about attracting new and younger audiences though.Agreed. I have seen other games released lately that looks like it is aimed at a different generation than it's earlier games. MEA and Sims 4 are two that come to mind right away. For me I could place DAI in that as well. It sucks getting older and realizing that life no longer caters to you. With games, you either have to change with the times, stick to older games, or find something else to do.
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Post by Kappa Neko on May 24, 2017 19:02:13 GMT
You ever watch Firefly? That was the aim. Joss Whedon-style banter writing. I've watched Firefly. I love that show. But MEA is not Firefly. Firefly is basically a crew of Han Solos out stealing, smuggling, and staying under the radar. MEA is "exploring strange new worlds" "seeking out new life and new civilizations". And oh, yeah, trying not to let tens of thousands of people slowly die as the power and food runs out. Not saying some humor would be inappropriate. But Mal Reynolds could not command the Enterprise. Yeah, MEA is NOTHING like Firefly. Or Farscape, or any of those cool shows that knew how to balance humor and drama. Not thematically, and sure as hell not tonally. Farscape nailed it perfectly. Equally utterly horrifying and stupid fun. The heart stuff gets to you, makes you cry, the humor makes you laugh tears. I would have LOVED Andromeda to be like that. The humor on these TV shows was actually really good and fairly grown up. There is a big difference between the type of humor on these sci-fi shows and MEA to me. MEA makes me feel ancient and I'm only 33. Like somebody said above, I relate more to Drack calling Ryder a kid than I do to Ryder or any of the sitcom crew. And I'm still a kid myself in comparison to people twice my age who've been through serious shit. The entire Initiative, except for Drack, feels like a bunch of morons to me. I'm having a hard time taking anybody seriously who decides to go to a new GALAXY and then cries how they want to go back because, big surprise, it's nothing like the fun journey they imagined. A year in and half of them are already murdering maniacs while the other half keeps demonstrating their incompetence. The best part were the protesters on the Nexus who demanded everybody to be woken up so they can all starve together, I guess. It's like nobody who joined has any common sense... not even Ryder's own crew. Just look at Cora during her loyalty mission! But I digress. If you want to sell a badass smartass you need to sell the badass part first. Otherwise you create a douche like Ryder. If you've got no skills and no experience due to age, you're not going to sound like a cool cat no matter how hard you try. Which is why listening to teenagers is so painful. They are so full of themselves, yet they understand nothing and don't realize that they know nothing. It's painful. Joke-cracking Ryder is painful. Professional Ryder is fine. Insecure and clueless but at least he admits it and tries his best despite it. I'm ok with that Ryder. I'm NOT ok with everyone else.
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Post by Iakus on May 24, 2017 19:06:20 GMT
Not saying some humor would be inappropriate. But Mal Reynolds could not command the Enterprise. I would have LOVED Andromeda to be like that. The humor on these TV shows was actually really good and fairly grown up. There is a big difference between the type of humor on these sci-fi shows and MEA to me. MEA makes me feel ancient and I'm only 33. Like somebody said above, I relate more to Drack calling Ryder a kid than I do to Ryder or any of the sitcom crew. And I'm still a kid myself in comparison to people twice my age who've been through serious shit. The entire Initiative, except for Drack, feels like a bunch of morons to me. I'm having a hard time taking anybody seriously who decides to go to a new GALAXY and then cries how they want to go back because, big surprise, it's nothing like the fun journey they imagined. A year in and half of them are already murdering maniacs while the other half keeps demonstrating their incompetence. The best part were the protesters on the Nexus who demanded everybody to be woken up so they can all starve together, I guess. It's like nobody who joined has any common sense... not even Ryder's own crew. Just look at Cora during her loyalty mission! [/quote] Eh, Vetra's okay. And Lexi. Cora too, if she'd talk about anything but asari commandos. I want to slap Peebee, though. I can't take her seriously as a college student, let alone a scientist.
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Post by Deleted on May 24, 2017 19:08:24 GMT
I've watched Firefly. I love that show. But MEA is not Firefly. Firefly is basically a crew of Han Solos out stealing, smuggling, and staying under the radar. MEA is "exploring strange new worlds" "seeking out new life and new civilizations". And oh, yeah, trying not to let tens of thousands of people slowly die as the power and food runs out. Not saying some humor would be inappropriate. But Mal Reynolds could not command the Enterprise. I'd say Scott Ryder is closer to young Kirk in the rebooted Trek. And Sara is a little reminiscent of...hmm I don't know, the rebooted Lara Croft maybe? But yeah they were obviously going for a similar style of humor, which Bioware has done quite a bit of in the past. I was about to say that what Mal lacks is ambition, and Mal+ consumate ambition = Kirk, at least in the new ST iteration. I also see (and love) the similarity to Kirk. I am not sure if F!Sara reminds me of Croft, but I only saw Croft in the movie. I wish she was a younger Janeway, and perhaps that's what they were shooting at. Perhaps it's not a bad thing that she is immediately recognizable.
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Post by sdzald on May 24, 2017 19:10:04 GMT
The writing and characters are so infantile anyone over the age of 13 would not find them acceptable but the level of language and sex in the game make it inappropriate for kids. The tone and content of this game are like oil and water. I bet if someone ran a demographic poll based on age groups of people who like the game, dislike it or hate it you would see a very distinct pattern.
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Post by vonuber on May 24, 2017 19:14:43 GMT
The writing and characters are so infantile anyone over the age of 13 would not find them acceptable but the level of language and sex in the game make it inappropriate for kids. The tone and content of this game are like oil and water. I bet if someone ran a demographic poll based on age groups of people who like the game, dislike it or hate it you would see a very distinct pattern. Well I'm 37 and I like it.
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