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Post by sageoflife on May 29, 2017 1:15:43 GMT
You do realize that Kaidan was a marine for ten years before he and Shepard met, right? He probably had a few dates in that time.
And the thing about MShenko pulling an inverse Korrasami was just something funny I noticed. It wasn't supposed to be a serious character analysis.
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Post by dmc1001 on May 29, 2017 1:18:07 GMT
I don't really know what Korrsami is so the reference went over my head. I did know you weren't super serious. And, yes, I'm aware of Kaidan's history.
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Post by Deleted on May 29, 2017 4:20:19 GMT
I'm just here for the Kaidan art and romance talk. I'd don't really care about Kaidan's past sexual adventures-just the ones he has with male Shepard. So I'll let you 2 have fun with that. Thanks again to you dmc1001 for sharing all that amazing Kaidan art, you are my personal hero!
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Post by L2 Sentinel on May 29, 2017 10:51:26 GMT
My headcanon is that Kaidan and John were both inexperienced in the love department before they got together. They were too focused on their careers. In-game dialogue supports it well enough.
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Post by aoibhealfae on May 29, 2017 12:44:32 GMT
I kinda assumed Hendel Mitra was Kaidan's friend and considering Kaidan bequeathed scholarship to the Grissom Academy's kids, I happily assumed that Kahlee Sanders also knew him and Jack and the kids is his J-squad. But if you want to assume he had a prior relationship with Kaidan, go ahead. But I was sure Hendel was having a bad breakup prior to the novel.
Korra/Asami is from Legend of Korra. Two girls who dated the same guy but ended up being friends and being together in the end.
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Post by vana on May 31, 2017 14:35:37 GMT
I have a question, as I'm going to play again to the ME trilogy, and try to romance Kaidan this time (in the first one)
Is it possible to romance him in ME1, then romance Garrus in ME2, and keep Garrus in ME3? what does Kaidan say in ME3 if Shepard is with someone else than him?
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Post by aoibhealfae on May 31, 2017 17:42:30 GMT
I have a question, as I'm going to play again to the ME trilogy, and try to romance Kaidan this time (in the first one) Is it possible to romance him in ME1, then romance Garrus in ME2, and keep Garrus in ME3? what does Kaidan say in ME3 if Shepard is with someone else than him? Kaidan isn't a fling. He want commitment from the very beginning and he is faithful for years even while he thinks Shepard is dead so he will say it straight, he doesn't mind if Shepard cheated on him, as long as you don't lie to his face. He's not the beta male everyone think he is. Don't jerk his chains and expect him to react well like he's an idiot. If you want Garrus, leave Kaidan be.
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Post by vana on May 31, 2017 19:40:57 GMT
No need to be agressive. I was not speaking about feelings of Kaidan here but just "technically", maybe the devs didn't think, when they created ME1, that Kaidan would not be a romance in ME2 for example. I was wondering if the romance of ME1 would lock the romances of ME2 or not.
AND as I did not do the Kaidan romance in ME1 I don't know how it's ending, I thought maybe they separate at the end, so I was not talking about cheating either. And you know in real life, couples can separate without being jerks or cheating, so I don't see why it could not be the same in Mass Effect.
But yeah, I wanted Garrus from the start in ME1 but it was not possible.
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Post by fraggle on May 31, 2017 19:53:39 GMT
I have a question, as I'm going to play again to the ME trilogy, and try to romance Kaidan this time (in the first one) Is it possible to romance him in ME1, then romance Garrus in ME2, and keep Garrus in ME3? what does Kaidan say in ME3 if Shepard is with someone else than him? Yes, it's possible to romance him in ME1 and then move on to Garrus in ME2. In ME3, when the cheating topic comes up, you can choose to confess or deny you had something with Garrus. Kaidan will probably mention Garrus by name, as the VS usually knows about the person you had something with. I once did the same with Ashley when I romanced her in ME1, but then romanced Jack in ME2/3.
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Post by vana on May 31, 2017 19:58:02 GMT
I have a question, as I'm going to play again to the ME trilogy, and try to romance Kaidan this time (in the first one) Is it possible to romance him in ME1, then romance Garrus in ME2, and keep Garrus in ME3? what does Kaidan say in ME3 if Shepard is with someone else than him? Yes, it's possible to romance him in ME1 and then move on to Garrus in ME2. In ME3, when the cheating topic comes up, you can choose to confess or deny you had something with Garrus. Kaidan will probably mention Garrus by name, as the VS usually knows about the person you had something with. I once did the same with Ashley when I romanced her in ME1, but then romanced Jack in ME2/3. Thanks, it's all I needed to know as I didn't do the Kaidan romance in the first one I thought that Shepard and him decided to maybe separate at the end of the first game. So I wondered how he would react in ME3, too, I didn't know that they were supposed to be still together since ME1.
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Post by dmc1001 on May 31, 2017 22:17:20 GMT
They're not together. By the time the see each other in ME2, Shepard has been gone for two years and Kaidan is unwilling to compromise. Even in the apology email, Kaidan in no way suggests they will be together once Shepard leaves Cerberus. It's just that in his heart, Kaidan was still in love with Shepard even if they were not actually committed.
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Post by aoibhealfae on May 31, 2017 23:09:31 GMT
Because I've really had it with these memes. He's a simple guy who want nothing of that drama (he said so in ME1 itself, if you're not serious about him then don't bother at all). Because you will complain how unfair it was since you think you're on a break in ME2. He won't see your new relationship with either Garrus or Thane being beautiful as you hope he would because you think in ME1 he's such a Mr Nice Guy. Well, the Mr Nice Guy is a closet Renegade and he won't react pathetically as Liara and Ashley did. He's full of snark which can be deeply infuriating (there's even a mod for this just to snub Kaidan and "Shepard regains her backbone."). In all the years I had in this fandom, I've seen large outbursts of how 'Kaiden' is a horrible whiny person for asking Shepard to apologize to him for being a cheater and that he's a terrible lesser romance simply for that. If you go back to some of early pages of this thread, you will see some posts about this too, blaming Kaidan for not reacting as he should be (docile, agreeable, comforting etc) If you want to do it anyway, just do it, I'm not stopping you. But you're asking for opinion and I don't mince words, if you plan on cheating on him, just leave him be. Toying with him add nothing except colouring your perception on him. I'm not even joking how toxic it gets to be a FemShep/Kaidanmancer when the hate train happens especially over something that was optional and a player's choice to begin with.
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Post by dmc1001 on Jun 1, 2017 0:15:35 GMT
I understand you, aoibhealfae! I actually am unable to romance anyone but Kaidan. I just can't bring myself to do it. However, I understand what the OP wanted to know. She was talking game mechanics rather than how she ought to actually play the game. In other words, if I do This, is it still possible to do That or must The Other Thing happen instead? I don't think she was seeking an opinion of the morality of the characters. I mean, I cringe every time I read that someone chose Ash over Kaidan, or when I saw a video of Kaidan dying on the beam run. Or when, you know, people pick Synthesis. But people play how they want.
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Post by sageoflife on Jun 1, 2017 0:42:12 GMT
On a different topic, something I've found interesting for a while now is that people used to talk about how Shepard is old enough that he should be an L2, rather than an L3, which is explained by Shepard gaining his powers late due to needing a second exposure. However, I've never seen anyone point out that Kaidan's age implies that he should be an L1 rather than an L2. I assume that the frequent moves due to his father's military career are the reason why Conatix tracked Kaidan down so much later than the other Singapore biotics.
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Post by aoibhealfae on Jun 1, 2017 1:03:28 GMT
Its just a topic that I have very little patience with, in particular how very easy it was to bait for hundreds likes and thousands upvotes simply for the shared hatred for Kaidan due to this. BroShep/Kaidan reception is still relatively positive and supportive and I hardly see any excessive sentiment against the pairing but FemShep/Kaidan always get the worse end of it for some reason (and its been 10 years since ME1 ffs). As I always said, I don't mind everyone having their own romance preference but I rather not want to see another session of "We're on a break!" angry reacts.
The difference is two scenes in ME3 really.... which is by itself a testament of Raphael Sbarge's and Jennifer Hale's excellent performance. People simply don't stay pissed off for years with mediocre acting.
- Was there something between you and Garrus? - When you worked for Cerberus, was there something between you and one of your crew? - I heard something about you and some assassin... >>> Shepard: Kaidan, I'm sorry. I never meant to hurt you. We were so far apart -- physically. And after our fight on Horizon... Kaidan: Yeah, I'll own that. Man, seeing you alive sent me spinning... and I handled it badly. I'm sorry, Shepard. I just want you to know that, for me, there isn't anyone else. And... I still care. >>> Shepard: Our fight on Horizon really threw me out. You just shut me down. Kaidan: I know. I just couldn't believe my eyes. There you were... alive! Can't we-- can we just put this behind us. Please. >>> Shepard: I wouldn't cheat on you, Kaidan. Kaidan: You're lying. I know. Everyone knows. And you know what's crazy? I still care about you... I think you should go. >>> Shepard: I should've been straight with you. I'm sorry. Kaidan: No. Thank you for apologizing. Shepard: Thanks. I didn't want to leave like that. >>> Shepard: Take care, Kaidan. See you around. Kaidan: Yeah. See you around. Shepard: Feel like we cleared the air? Kaidan: Yeah. You know, I'm not sure that I've been wrong about Cerberus... but I've been wrong about you. I should let you get back to the Normandy. Wish I could come with you. * Shepard: Take care of yourself, Kaidan. We need you at a hundred percent. * Shepard: Take care of yourself, Major. This war needs you at a hundred percent.
Kaidan: The war isn't the only thing keeping me up at night... I wonder about us. Shepard: Us? * Kaidan: I understand why you cheated, but I still love you, Shepard. * Kaidan: I love you, Shepard. I always have. I want to understand what this is between us... and make it real. * Kaidan: I... I have feelings for you, Shepard. And I want more. Kaidan: That's what I want. What do you want? >>> Shepard: I can't bury what I feel for you anymore. And I don't want to. Kaidan: And that... makes me so happy. And there are benefits to that happiness... But more on that later. Shepard: Later? We need to get back to the Normandy, ASAP. Kaidan: Too late. Our drinks are here, and I am going to take my time. >>> Shepard: I'm sorry, Kaidan, but we should just keep it professional. Kaidan: Right. Well, not the answer I was hoping for... >>> Shepard: Times are... complicated. Kaidan: Oh, I understand. It's okay. So... when does that steak get here? Incidentally, you'd better be buying now.
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Post by Kaidan Fan on Jun 1, 2017 1:19:21 GMT
On a different topic, something I've found interesting for a while now is that people used to talk about how Shepard is old enough that he should be an L2, rather than an L3, which is explained by Shepard gaining his powers late due to needing a second exposure. However, I've never seen anyone point out that Kaidan's age implies that he should be an L1 rather than an L2. I assume that the frequent moves due to his father's military career are the reason why Conatix tracked Kaidan down so much later than the other Singapore biotics. That's something I've never thought of/noticed to be honest. May be time for another very slow play through of Mass Effect (in the near future) and try to see it with fresh eyes. Thanks.
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Post by sageoflife on Jun 1, 2017 1:22:38 GMT
The Mass Effect fandom has the worst case of Fourth Wall Myopia I've ever witnessed. It just amazes me how many players can't wrap their heads around the fact that Kaidan, and Ashley for that matter, thought Shepard's death was faked and no one gave them any reason to think it was actually history's first prove resurrection. Not to mention the fact that the Illusive Man was intentionally feeding Kaidan biased, if not outright false, information to encourage thinking that Shepard was a traitor.
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Post by aoibhealfae on Jun 1, 2017 1:43:02 GMT
On a different topic, something I've found interesting for a while now is that people used to talk about how Shepard is old enough that he should be an L2, rather than an L3, which is explained by Shepard gaining his powers late due to needing a second exposure. However, I've never seen anyone point out that Kaidan's age implies that he should be an L1 rather than an L2. I assume that the frequent moves due to his father's military career are the reason why Conatix tracked Kaidan down so much later than the other Singapore biotics. Here's the deal, Alec Ryder was born in 2129, 14 years BEFORE discovery of Element Zero on Mars. (plotholes!) He should be the first generation Human Biotics with L1 implants (and N7 to boot) whereas Kaidan was the generation of human biotic potential being closely studied for a program. They're likely the test subjects for L2 implants which said to allow more powerful spike but at a cost of severe health issues. Miranda is also older than Kaidan and nobody really know which implant she uses. The lore is dicey right now.
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Post by sageoflife on Jun 1, 2017 1:53:29 GMT
On a different topic, something I've found interesting for a while now is that people used to talk about how Shepard is old enough that he should be an L2, rather than an L3, which is explained by Shepard gaining his powers late due to needing a second exposure. However, I've never seen anyone point out that Kaidan's age implies that he should be an L1 rather than an L2. I assume that the frequent moves due to his father's military career are the reason why Conatix tracked Kaidan down so much later than the other Singapore biotics. Here's the deal, Alec Ryder was born in 2129, 14 years BEFORE discovery of Element Zero on Mars. (plotholes!) He should be the first generation Human Biotics with L1 implants (and N7 to boot) whereas Kaidan was the generation of human biotic potential being closely studied for a program. They're likely the test subjects for L2 implants which said to allow more powerful spike but at a cost of severe health issues. Miranda is also older than Kaidan and nobody really know which implant she uses. The lore is dicey right now. Alec doesn't naturally have biotics. He gets them from SAM. There's no detail given on how SAM can do that, but that's the official explanation. Kaidan is officially one of humanity's very first biotics. The Singapore biotics are the obvious subject for the L1 implants simply by virtue of humanity not having any others initially. Since Kaidan is an L2 and Citadel confirms that his powers manifested early unlike Shepard, this means that something happened to delay Conatix's discovery of Kaidan's abilities. The simplest and therefore most likely answer is that the family's frequent moves due to Alenko Sr.'s career accidentally covered up Kaidan's trail. Of course, since the family is originally from Canada, that same career is probably the reason Kaidan was exposed in the first place. As for Miranda, she's only a year older than Kaidan. It's hardly unreasonable like a few unscrupulous individuals like the sociopath calling himself her father would engage in underground research into the effects if in-utero eezo exposure.
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Post by dmc1001 on Jun 1, 2017 2:41:12 GMT
The Mass Effect fandom has the worst case of Fourth Wall Myopia I've ever witnessed. It just amazes me how many players can't wrap their heads around the fact that Kaidan, and Ashley for that matter, thought Shepard's death was faked and no one gave them any reason to think it was actually history's first prove resurrection. Not to mention the fact that the Illusive Man was intentionally feeding Kaidan biased, if not outright false, information to encourage thinking that Shepard was a traitor. True. When I write up my playthroughs (I'm currently in ME2), I've mentioned things like how, despite being angry over what happened on Horizon, I'm still glad Kaidan isn't with me. In the end, TIM would try to further use Kaidan against Shepard so it's best they're parted. How I see things when writing from Shepard's perspective versus from my own is different. So, in ME2, I understand where Kaidan is coming from. In ME3, where Shepard has been interrogated by the Alliance - and almost certainly given a very thorough physical - it's not reasonable to assume Shepard is with Cerberus. The real problem is that Hackett and Anderson - who both knew more about Shepard's activities, including those done on behalf of the Alliance or just themselves - never bothered to clue Kaidan in that Shepard wasn't a traitor. They could have done that and still said the details were classified.
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sageoflife
Mass Effect Trilogy, Dragon Age: Origins, Dragon Age 2, Dragon Age Inquisition, KOTOR, Mass Effect Andromeda
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Post by sageoflife on Jun 1, 2017 3:03:19 GMT
The Mass Effect fandom has the worst case of Fourth Wall Myopia I've ever witnessed. It just amazes me how many players can't wrap their heads around the fact that Kaidan, and Ashley for that matter, thought Shepard's death was faked and no one gave them any reason to think it was actually history's first prove resurrection. Not to mention the fact that the Illusive Man was intentionally feeding Kaidan biased, if not outright false, information to encourage thinking that Shepard was a traitor. True. When I write up my playthroughs (I'm currently in ME2), I've mentioned things like how, despite being angry over what happened on Horizon, I'm still glad Kaidan isn't with me. In the end, TIM would try to further use Kaidan against Shepard so it's best they're parted. How I see things when writing from Shepard's perspective versus from my own is different. So, in ME2, I understand where Kaidan is coming from. In ME3, where Shepard has been interrogated by the Alliance - and almost certainly given a very thorough physical - it's not reasonable to assume Shepard is with Cerberus. The real problem is that Hackett and Anderson - who both knew more about Shepard's activities, including those done on behalf of the Alliance or just themselves - never bothered to clue Kaidan in that Shepard wasn't a traitor. They could have done that and still said the details were classified. And Kaidan doesn't even really ask questions until Mars. It is a pretty big coincidence that Cerberus attacked the very first place Shepard went to after being released from house arrest. Trying to find out what's going on there seems to me like the responsible thing to do considering no one else was willing to fill Kaidan in. The questions with that huskified soldier don't strike me as unreasonable either considering Liara wasted two time skips that she could have used to tell him about the Lazarus Project. And of course, wanting to know why someone is pointing a gun at a councilor strikes me as extremely prudent even without the baggage. The really sad thing is, that the original script called for a much more extensive subplot about the Illusive Man turning Shepard and Kaidan against each other. If people think Kai Leng makes the squad look bad now, they should see how utterly idiotic he would have made the whole crew look originally. That's one of the things I'm glad they cut out, even if it meant Kaidan getting less content.
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aoibhealfae
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The stars, the moon, they have all been blown out
Games: Mass Effect Trilogy, Dragon Age: Origins, Dragon Age 2, Dragon Age Inquistion, KOTOR, Jade Empire, Mass Effect Andromeda
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aoibhealfae
Mass Effect Trilogy, Dragon Age: Origins, Dragon Age 2, Dragon Age Inquistion, KOTOR, Jade Empire, Mass Effect Andromeda
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Post by aoibhealfae on Jun 1, 2017 8:06:36 GMT
Alec doesn't naturally have biotics. He gets them from SAM. There's no detail given on how SAM can do that, but that's the official explanation. Kaidan is officially one of humanity's very first biotics. The Singapore biotics are the obvious subject for the L1 implants simply by virtue of humanity not having any others initially. Since Kaidan is an L2 and Citadel confirms that his powers manifested early unlike Shepard, this means that something happened to delay Conatix's discovery of Kaidan's abilities. The simplest and therefore most likely answer is that the family's frequent moves due to Alenko Sr.'s career accidentally covered up Kaidan's trail. Of course, since the family is originally from Canada, that same career is probably the reason Kaidan was exposed in the first place. As for Miranda, she's only a year older than Kaidan. It's hardly unreasonable like a few unscrupulous individuals like the sociopath calling himself her father would engage in underground research into the effects if in-utero eezo exposure. Been scrounging the codex for it and so far the explanation is really brief and then asking reddit for more info and so far *shrugs* Singapore is a really small island with densely packed population as it is. 30% children affected with cancer and exposure is chilling and Johor is just downwind of Singapore... gods, that's a nightmare situation. I doubt Miranda's ability was due to fetal exposure considering she's already heavily altered and exposing her to eezo that only raise the risks of further damage. Considering it increases the risks of mutation, probably one of the reason why Miranda developed reproductive issues. But red sand giving temporary biotic abilities is known and Cerberus succeeded in making artificial-biotics by using reaper tech, Kai Leng and Grayson aren't naturally biotics too. Wished there's more lore to run with this.
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