Canadian Delicacy - The Kaidan Alenko Thread

I had been playing ME as m!shep. Got to 3. Got Ashley back on the ship. Omg.......she is....why? She doesn't seem to interact with anyone. She barely speaks to me. She almost seems dead compared to the life Kaidan brings to the ship. I will never again..........never. I liked her so much in 1

I attribute it to another problem caused by Kaidan not knowing that Shepard literally died and was brought back.

When I think over the situation in LOTSB and my character's relationship with Kaidan, I refuse to let Liara on the ship.

Shepard mentioning Kaidan being the oldest friend and the bit about Horizon and suddenly Liara insist its their fault for not trusting you.... I'm like.. hah?

Liara gave Shepard to Cerberus. In that two years she hoard the things Shepard died in and use them to decorate her apartment. While Kaidan didn't know anything, he grieved the entire time thinking Shepard was dead, and he only found out that Shepard was alive on Horizon after Collectors took half of the colony on their ship, which is still thousands of people who was taken to be killed.

Its just... so mean and manipulative. She just want to show that she always trust Shepard and do anything for Shepard and rub in how Kaidan is disloyal. Kaidan didn't know Shepard truly died, he think Cerberus saved Shepard and felt indebted to them enough to switch sides... which you have to spend the rest of ME2 and half of ME3 proving to him otherwise. Shepard and Kaidan never need to suck up to each other... they just prove themselves to each other through the actions and choices they made and how they overcome their conflicts. 

Yeeeeeeeeeah. The way Liara acts about Kaidan (and Ashley) is REALLY unpleasant. Like bad enough that it's clearly rooted in jealousy (over someone who, in three games, may never make any kind of overtures towards her, meaning her jealousy is over a relationship ENTIRELY IN HER OWN HEAD), but...

Like, first of all, Kaidan/Ashley don't believe Shepard on Horizon? Well, maybe they'd have been more receptive if Liara had made them at all aware of her one-woman crusade to recover Shepard's body, or how she'd handed them over to Cerberus for them to perform their Frankensteinian mad science. Lock someone out of the loop, it's not surprising they have a bad reaction when they stumble across things. So if you want to call them short-sighted for being BLINDSIDED, maybe let them in on the secret, instead of literally keeping it solely to yourself in the name of... Honestly? It comes across as her keeping it silent so that she can get her place cemented in Shepard's life, in that literally, they would not be alive without her. It's gross and manipulative, and yet the game clearly wants to frame it as 'she's so loving and loyal, do you love Liara yet, player? We'll give you five more chances to love her, just to be sure!'

Then there's her remark on Mars about how they've 'become' capable. I'm sorry, who was it, again, that flared blue for like three seconds before ducking under a console, while Kaidan/Ashley were fighting a krogan battlemaster? They were already 'capable' in ME1. LIARA is the one who turned from an archeologist to a wanna-be asari commando. That line doesn't even SOUND like Liara, who SHOULD be commenting about how they're holding together considering Earth, but NOOOOOOOO... The writing just HAS to tear down Kaidan/Ashley in order to prop up Liara.

Seriously, I find so much more meaning in Ashley/Kaidan coming to trust Shepard again, Shepard trying to earn their trust, than in Liara's eternal devotion to Shepard.

This was very disappointing part of the series unfortunately. And its one of the reasons why I can no longer considered Liara as a friend. She not only betrayed Shepard but she betrayed tho whole Normandy crew and Alliance team. I was so amazed how people would let Liara slide by the simple fact that Liara is so likable. Everything you guys said is exactly how I felt just by watching other youtubers lets plays and playthroughs. Liara has lost my respect in so many ways its unthinkable what she did. And yet she's the darling of the Mass Effect series. I might actually agree with Ashley on aliens trust when it comes to friendship and romance in this particular case. I really don't understand why can't I see more sex scenes or more story development with both Kaidan and Ashley but yet I see so much of it with Liara. It really boggles my mind. I love Liara she is adorable but that was just outright disrespectful what she did to Shepard. She had all the intel in the world to let her old Normandy crew know that Shepard was alive. But anyways, sorry for this long quoted posts. I just wanna show that I appreciate that I'm not the only one who thinks like this.

This was very disappointing part of the series unfortunately. And its one of the reasons why I can no longer considered Liara as a friend. She not only betrayed Shepard but she betrayed tho whole Normandy crew and Alliance team. I was so amazed how people would let Liara slide by the simple fact that Liara is so likable. Everything you guys said is exactly how I felt just by watching other youtubers lets plays and playthroughs. Liara has lost my respect in so many ways its unthinkable what she did. And yet she's the darling of the Mass Effect series. I might actually agree with Ashley on aliens trust when it comes to friendship and romance in this particular case. I really don't understand why can't I see more sex scenes or more story development with both Kaidan and Ashley but yet I see so much of it with Liara. It really boggles my mind. I love Liara she is adorable but that was just outright disrespectful what she did to Shepard. She had all the intel in the world to let her old Normandy crew know that Shepard was alive. But anyways, sorry for this long quoted posts. I just wanna show that I appreciate that I'm not the only one who thinks like this.