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Post by phoray on May 28, 2017 0:25:46 GMT
Cassandra was right hand of the divine and literally the Hero of Orlais. Harding on the other hand fits the definition perfectly and I wanted to romance her in Inquisition so bad The Divine is dead by the time you meet her. She is no one.
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Post by phoray on May 28, 2017 0:35:59 GMT
- A ruthlessly ambitious and pragmatic Companion who honestly sees no reason to change, and would only take a like minded lover. Most importantly, upon solidifying your new empire in the endgame, they stay with you as the ultimate evil power couple. - Alternatively, you could join a pre-existing couple in a polyamorous relationship :amirite: . ISabella saw no reason to change, but wasn't restricted to only taking a like minded lover. As a polyamorous woman, I do hope they go this direction. but please stay clear of the Sister Wives that everyone thinks poly is. I have two husbands and a boyfriend. My boyfriend has a wife, and she has her own boyfriend. I just hope that if they did attempt it, they did it balanced and classy and not "a harem!" hurdy hurdy. A good looking, long-haired dark-haired male, no ex, no sisters, no tragic past, high standing in whatever power structures (equaling PC's), plot important, sometimes rivaling, sometimes cooperating with the PC and romance happening during the main storyline of the game and lasting the whole game. Ooo, he sounds dreamy. Where the only drama is your occasionally clashing political views and that just makes the banging all that much sweeter. Defrosting the ice queen, as a bi or f/f romance. For some reason this trope is always the straight male love interest only. I'm thinking along the lines of like Morrigan or Miranda from ME. Yes, this. Although I ended up with Thane, Jack, who admitted to bisexual exploration in her past, flatly refused evena bit of flirting with my Shepard. She's the only other character I would have romanced in ME.
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Post by Walter Black on May 28, 2017 0:57:43 GMT
- A ruthlessly ambitious and pragmatic Companion who honestly sees no reason to change, and would only take a like minded lover. Most importantly, upon solidifying your new empire in the endgame, they stay with you as the ultimate evil power couple. - Alternatively, you could join a pre-existing couple in a polyamorous relationship :amirite: . ISabella saw no reason to change, but wasn't restricted to only taking a like minded lover. As a polyamorous woman, I do hope they go this direction. but please stay clear of the Sister Wives that everyone thinks poly is. I have two husbands and a boyfriend. My boyfriend has a wife, and she has her own boyfriend. I just hope that if they did attempt it, they did it balanced and classy and not "a harem!" hurdy hurdy. I could be mistaken, but I think I remember David Gaider saying that the writers toyed with poly characters, but that the varying relationship flags and divergent dialogue would have been a nightmare to code. The only way they could see it working is if the player joined a previously established couple. Each would have their own challenges, like the aforementioned fetishizing of gay couples (dudebros for F/F and yoai fangirls for M/M) or that the player would be "forced" to be bi with a M/F one. Not to mention that some people might like one of the pair, but hate the other. Lots of challenges, but I hope a good writer can meet them.
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Post by phoray on May 28, 2017 1:13:01 GMT
ISabella saw no reason to change, but wasn't restricted to only taking a like minded lover. As a polyamorous woman, I do hope they go this direction. but please stay clear of the Sister Wives that everyone thinks poly is. I have two husbands and a boyfriend. My boyfriend has a wife, and she has her own boyfriend. I just hope that if they did attempt it, they did it balanced and classy and not "a harem!" hurdy hurdy. I could be mistaken, but I think I remember David Gaider saying that the writers toyed with poly characters, but that the varying relationship flags and divergent dialogue would have been a nightmare to code. The only way they could see it working is if the player joined a previously established couple. Each would have their own challenges, like the aforementioned fetishizing of gay couples (dudebros for F/F and yoai fangirls for M/M) or that the player would be "forced" to be bi with a M/F one. Not to mention that some people might like one of the pair, but hate the other. Lots of challenges, but I hope a good writer can meet them. I think an established couple would be necessary. But also be aware, maybe you are, that the protaganist doesn' thave to date both of them. I am not dating my boyfriend's wife nor his wife's boyfriend. I haven't even hung out with them so far, though I'd like to get all six of us together for a game night. Sometimes even your own SO has friends you can't stand. You still love who you're with and want to spend time with them-- just not their friend. And so long as you're not trying to break them up as a couple, you can just enjoy yourself as the twosome you're starting.
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Post by Walter Black on May 28, 2017 1:38:50 GMT
I could be mistaken, but I think I remember David Gaider saying that the writers toyed with poly characters, but that the varying relationship flags and divergent dialogue would have been a nightmare to code. The only way they could see it working is if the player joined a previously established couple. Each would have their own challenges, like the aforementioned fetishizing of gay couples (dudebros for F/F and yoai fangirls for M/M) or that the player would be "forced" to be bi with a M/F one. Not to mention that some people might like one of the pair, but hate the other. Lots of challenges, but I hope a good writer can meet them. I think an established couple would be necessary. But also be aware, maybe you are, that the protaganist doesn' thave to date both of them. I am not dating my boyfriend's wife nor his wife's boyfriend. I haven't even hung out with them so far, though I'd like to get all six of us together for a game night. Sometimes even your own SO has friends you can't stand. You still love who you're with and want to spend time with them-- just not their friend. And so long as you're not trying to break them up as a couple, you can just enjoy yourself as the twosome you're starting. What if the hypothetical poly couple want equal footing, to "share and share alike?" indeed, what if the whole point of this sub plot is to romance, and be romanced by both of them?
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Post by phoray on May 28, 2017 1:43:30 GMT
I think an established couple would be necessary. But also be aware, maybe you are, that the protaganist doesn' thave to date both of them. I am not dating my boyfriend's wife nor his wife's boyfriend. I haven't even hung out with them so far, though I'd like to get all six of us together for a game night. Sometimes even your own SO has friends you can't stand. You still love who you're with and want to spend time with them-- just not their friend. And so long as you're not trying to break them up as a couple, you can just enjoy yourself as the twosome you're starting. What if the hypothetical poly couple want equal footing, to "share and share alike?" indeed, what if the whole point of this sub plot is to romance, and be romanced by both of them? Are you polyamorous yourself? These sort of requirements rarely work out even in real life. What if you're good with boinking/cuddling both, but after the new wears off, you really only want to keep boinking one of them? Does the left out party then get to demand that you two have to break up cuz it's not even and fair? It's absurd. Emotions aren't fair. I would think the writers would do a lot of research into it just like they did with transsexuals, and not present players with the thing near all poly people hate: Unicorn Hunter(s): link
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Post by Walter Black on May 28, 2017 2:02:08 GMT
What if the hypothetical poly couple want equal footing, to "share and share alike?" indeed, what if the whole point of this sub plot is to romance, and be romanced by both of them? Are you polyamorous yourself? These sort of requirements rarely work out even in real life. What if you're good with boinking/cuddling both, but after the new wears off, you really only want to keep boinking one of them? Does the left out party then get to demand that you two have to break up cuz it's not even and fair? It's absurd. Emotions aren't fair. I would think the writers would do a lot of research into it just like they did with transsexuals, and not present players with the thing near all poly people hate: Unicorn Hunter(s): linkFair enough. I suppose I was simply looking for things that would make this particular relationship different from previous Bioware ones, in both a narrative and gameplay sense. Considering how freely non-romanced Companions discussed whatever relationship the player was in, a scenario where the PC is only involved with one of a couple didn't seem drastically different to me. Your main could romance one and the other on an alt where everyone talks about it, but not both at the same time. In my mind, one of the whole points of a threesome is that it wouldn't ever become a triangle, and a triangle sub-plot would be for other characters.
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Post by Deleted on May 28, 2017 6:05:25 GMT
Cassandra was right hand of the divine and literally the Hero of Orlais. Harding on the other hand fits the definition perfectly and I wanted to romance her in Inquisition so bad The Divine is dead by the time you meet her. She is no one. The Hero of Orlais title doesn't go away, Plus as much as she doesn't like it she is royality I mean have you heard her introduction in Winter Palace
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Post by Catilina on May 28, 2017 8:50:58 GMT
The Divine is dead by the time you meet her. She is no one. The Hero of Orlais title doesn't go away, Plus as much as she doesn't like it she is royality I mean have you heard her introduction in Winter Palace It'll be hard to meet in Tevinter with someone who is completely neutral in politics, I suppose.
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Post by Deleted on May 28, 2017 8:54:56 GMT
The Hero of Orlais title doesn't go away, Plus as much as she doesn't like it she is royality I mean have you heard her introduction in Winter Palace It'll be hard to meet in Tevinter with someone who is completely neutral in politics, I suppose. They don't have to be neutral in politics, they shouldn't be for example a politician or something
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Post by Seven Zettabytes on May 28, 2017 13:47:41 GMT
I have two husbands and a boyfriend. If you don't mind me asking: how does getting married to two men work? I imagine that it isn't recognized under the law?
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Post by phoray on May 28, 2017 13:56:56 GMT
I have two husbands and a boyfriend. If you don't mind me asking: how does getting married to two men work? I imagine that it isn't recognized under the law? Under law, we have to do some side work regarding inheritance if we were to die. For example, if both my legal husband and I died in a car crash, we'd want my second husband to inherit the house and my car, not my siblings or husband's siblings. So a couple trips to the lawyer, all I is well. Some poly homes go LLC and sell shares/stock in the homestead with all the property inside being listed as the property of the LLC. So the partner leaving would have to sell or be bought out. For me, the word husband, as I use it, refers to the level of commitment I share. We share a home and a bed every day, the finances, plans for the future, vacations. I've been with husband one since 2011, and husband two since 2013. We're doing well, I see no "divorce" coming up on either front.
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Post by Wildfire on May 29, 2017 9:10:14 GMT
^Thanks for the interesting off-topic! I've never given much thought to the practicalities of issue, but what you explained makes perfect sense  About the romances, I think I would like to see not just different types of characters but also different ways which the romances start and pan out. For example, it would be cool if some companions took the initiative and started pouncing on you and being assertive, without you being the one to initiate the affair with flirts etc. I'm tired of being responsible for the flirts and taking the lead! I just want someone to claim me as their own  Personally I would also enjoy romances which are more closely tied to the main plot. Like in the case of Anders, Solas and so on, but for (almost) every romanceable character. I think it makes the romances more involving if they are somehow significant also outside the purely personal and romantic context. To date, the majority of the more plot-relevant romances haven't really been my cup of tea (Anders, Solas, Morrigan, Alistair), and I'd really love for this to change in the future. Not that I'm looking for another tragedy or a dysfunctional relationship - it would be best if I could end up "happily ever after" with someone despite some ultimate effort made or ultimate price paid to get there. Maybe a bit like Hawke and Anders after the events of DA2 minus Justice which makes Anders go mad.
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Post by Zemgus on May 29, 2017 10:51:38 GMT
Male elves have not been able to romance female elves in the previous games, so it would be nice to see that change.
Other thing I would like but isn't a specific request is that it would be nice to have the companions pursue and flirt with the player character instead of always the other way around. At least if it fits their personality like it would've for Iron Bull, for example.
I would like to see light romances in the next game. Sort of like Reyes from MEA or Hunter from SWTOR. Someone who isn't working with or for us for the change.
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Post by Nightscrawl on May 29, 2017 10:57:52 GMT
Male elves have not been able to romance female elves in the previous games, so it would be nice to see that change. Other thing I would like but isn't a specific request is that it would be nice to have the companions pursue and flirt with the player character instead of always the other way around. At least if it fits their personality like it would've for Iron Bull, for example.I would like to see light romances in the next game. Sort of like Reyes from MEA or Hunter from SWTOR. Someone who isn't working with or for us for the change. I wouldn't mind this, as long as the rejection isn't some horribly asshole remark, like the one to reject Anders. I game it to avoid the flirt altogether because it's so bad (this isn't about rivalry, either, as my alternate path still gets me rivalry). I thought the one with Zevran was fine.
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Post by Seven Zettabytes on May 29, 2017 13:36:00 GMT
If you don't mind me asking: how does getting married to two men work? I imagine that it isn't recognized under the law? Under law, we have to do some side work regarding inheritance if we were to die. For example, if both my legal husband and I died in a car crash, we'd want my second husband to inherit the house and my car, not my siblings or husband's siblings. So a couple trips to the lawyer, all I is well. Some poly homes go LLC and sell shares/stock in the homestead with all the property inside being listed as the property of the LLC. So the partner leaving would have to sell or be bought out. For me, the word husband, as I use it, refers to the level of commitment I share. We share a home and a bed every day, the finances, plans for the future, vacations. I've been with husband one since 2011, and husband two since 2013. We're doing well, I see no "divorce" coming up on either front. Thanks for sharing! It's always interesting to learn about the practical side of things. My first thought was an unofficial ceremony of sorts, but your use of the word makes perfect sense, what you describe is a lot more integral to what it means to be married than a few vows.
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Post by Deleted on May 29, 2017 14:05:14 GMT
I had an odd feeling that Gil & Jill was an attempt at a nuclear family with more than two starting partners. I was very uncomfortable with that set-up personally. But I was also really uncomfortable with both Reyes and Gil being my commited romances at the end of MEA, and me not having a way to break it off. I am worried about the DLC. It is not OOC for my Ryder to have both a husband and a lover, but I am uncomfortable with it, so it takes me out of the game mood.
it would be nice to have a gentle break up option always available at every stage of a relationship, not just something that comes up in the middle of a cool cutscene you want to see. I know, it is a convenience, but it is not unrealistic.
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Post by Catilina on May 29, 2017 14:39:20 GMT
I had an odd feeling that Gil & Jill was an attempt at a nuclear family with more than two starting partners. I was very uncomfortable with that set-up personally. But I was also really uncomfortable with both Reyes and Gil being my commited romances at the end of MEA, and me not having a way to break it off. I am worried about the DLC. It is not OOC for my Ryder to have both a husband and a lover, but I am uncomfortable with it, so it takes me out of the game mood. it would be nice to have a gentle break up option always available at every stage of a relationship, not just something that comes up in the middle of a cool cutscene you want to see. I know, it is a convenience, but it is not unrealistic. Jill is an insult.
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Post by Deleted on May 29, 2017 14:45:46 GMT
I had an odd feeling that Gil & Jill was an attempt at a nuclear family with more than two starting partners. I was very uncomfortable with that set-up personally. But I was also really uncomfortable with both Reyes and Gil being my commited romances at the end of MEA, and me not having a way to break it off. I am worried about the DLC. It is not OOC for my Ryder to have both a husband and a lover, but I am uncomfortable with it, so it takes me out of the game mood. it would be nice to have a gentle break up option always available at every stage of a relationship, not just something that comes up in the middle of a cool cutscene you want to see. I know, it is a convenience, but it is not unrealistic. Jill is an insult. I don't think they intended it as an insult, but I think the idea of what it is they are shooting for was very, very complex and based on some sort of a too personal and traumatic experience. I was getting the same uncomfortable feeling I had in Awakening when you come across three quests about demanding women who drive men to suicides because they fall short of their expectations, that one of the lead writers was in personal troubles. But maybe they just wanted to bring back a threesome like in Origins and just did not get far enough. (Shrug) who knows. But the result... not good.
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Post by phoray on May 29, 2017 15:17:37 GMT
snip it would be nice to have a gentle break up option always available at every stage of a relationship, not just something that comes up in the middle of a cool cutscene you want to see. I know, it is a convenience, but it is not unrealistic. yes, this. I definitely would NOT have broken up with Cass as we both lay naked after a romantic picnic sex up. However, AFTER she insulted my Dalish man's religion by calling it nonsense at the Temple of Mythall, my enjoyment in the relationship tanked hard, I was so upset. But there wasn't another chance to break up with her. I was forced to stay with her for years and through Trespasser. So then I just had to assume we'd had a big argument off screen and worked it out.
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Post by phoray on May 29, 2017 15:26:41 GMT
Are you polyamorous yourself? These sort of requirements rarely work out even in real life. What if you're good with boinking/cuddling both, but after the new wears off, you really only want to keep boinking one of them? Does the left out party then get to demand that you two have to break up cuz it's not even and fair? It's absurd. Emotions aren't fair. I would think the writers would do a lot of research into it just like they did with transsexuals, and not present players with the thing near all poly people hate: Unicorn Hunter(s): linkFair enough. I suppose I was simply looking for things that would make this particular relationship different from previous Bioware ones, in both a narrative and gameplay sense. Considering how freely non-romanced Companions discussed whatever relationship the player was in, a scenario where the PC is only involved with one of a couple didn't seem drastically different to me. Your main could romance one and the other on an alt where everyone talks about it, but not both at the same time. In my mind, one of the whole points of a threesome is that it wouldn't ever become a triangle, and a triangle sub-plot would be for other characters. They could explore compersion: The feeling of joy associated with seeing a loved one love another and be loved by another. And part of your romantic scene could be interrupting them cuddling or already kissing. Joining their cuddle couch. All three of you handling hands, just not in a circle. Asking them out for spending time could involve them "checking in" with their other partner to make sure that they don't already have plans. And then maybe they do have plans, but if you're open to a "group" date or "date threesome" you two can still spend time together, just not one on one. Lots of subtle jokes about "communication" that poly folks would totally get. Any discussions of children could involve a few ideas (for some reason, I'm imaging this character as a woman.) Anyhow, she could say she's decided against children for herself but will support you seeking that from someone else even as two of you remain a couple. Another option is that she's promised her legal husband/first partner a child first, so your desire for a bio child would have to wait until child #2 There could be candid conversations, respectful, not "hurdy hurdy" about how group sex is on the table, has been done in their past, but her husband/male partner isn't romantically interested in other men. Which opens it up to female protaganists connecting to the husband of the duo on a first or second PT. But yes, if Bioware treated each person of the couple as a single entity with only a single verbal recognition of the pre existing relationship to the new partner, it would very much feel like any other Bioware relationship with strings that could easily be head cannoned away.
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Post by Iddy on May 29, 2017 16:05:56 GMT
I think we've had enough of the "afraid of love" thing. Morrigan, Zevran, Isabela and Fenris already gave us that.
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Post by Catilina on May 29, 2017 16:21:47 GMT
I don't think they intended it as an insult, but I think the idea of what it is they are shooting for was very, very complex and based on some sort of a too personal and traumatic experience. I was getting the same uncomfortable feeling I had in Awakening when you come across three quests about demanding women who drive men to suicides because they fall short of their expectations, that one of the lead writers was in personal troubles. But maybe they just wanted to bring back a threesome like in Origins and just did not get far enough. (Shrug) who knows. But the result... not good. I like to think it was not "intentional", but still uncomfortable the whole Jill–baby story. How they didn't see that, I'm very curious about it. So I do not want this kind of mlm romance anymore. Gil's sweet, I would like him, better, but this story spoil the enjoyment.
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Post by Jarovbees on May 29, 2017 16:27:49 GMT
I'd love a romance with someone who was Tal-Vashoth from the beginning, or Vashoth. Nothing whatsoever to do with the Qun. (Shokrakar, maybe? Please?)
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Post by Nightscrawl on May 29, 2017 16:44:29 GMT
I'd love a romance with someone who was Tal-Vashoth from the beginning, or Vashoth. Nothing whatsoever to do with the Qun. (Shokrakar, maybe? Please?) I'm not into qunari in general, but I think it would be more compelling to do a real Qunari qunari. To be honest, I don't think Bull fully counts. Not only has he "gone native," which we see from his attachment to his Chargers, but the player is forced to make the decision that either keeps him in the Qun, or has him abandon it. I think it would be interesting to explore a romance with a character like Sten. Sten has a nice friendship arc, and comes to respect the Warden. But, what if that turned into a romance arc, and this spurred some crisis in the character?
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