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Post by Iddy on May 29, 2017 16:44:57 GMT
I want a female Qunari LI. Is being allowed to climb that mountain of woman too much to ask?
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Post by Deleted on May 29, 2017 16:48:14 GMT
I don't think they intended it as an insult, but I think the idea of what it is they are shooting for was very, very complex and based on some sort of a too personal and traumatic experience. I was getting the same uncomfortable feeling I had in Awakening when you come across three quests about demanding women who drive men to suicides because they fall short of their expectations, that one of the lead writers was in personal troubles. But maybe they just wanted to bring back a threesome like in Origins and just did not get far enough. (Shrug) who knows. But the result... not good. I like to think it was not "intentional", but still uncomfortable the whole Jill–baby story. How they didn't see that, I'm very curious about it. So I do not want this kind of mlm romance anymore. Gil's sweet, I would like him, better, but this story spoil the enjoyment. I am honestly, at a loss, as well why it got included & why it is not just there, but also so front-and-center.
To me when I played it, it sounded like it was written by someone going through a personal trauma of not being able to conceive for a few years, and wistfully rationalizing bringing in a surrogate mother into the relationship to fulfill the dream of raising a child together, and after the relationship broke off.
Maybe, it was just a take on a space magic child subplot from fairy-tales, like the snow-maiden or Thumbelina, but I doubt it.
After I read some of the posts above, it got me wondering if it were a mangled threesome with a pre-existing couple? But probably just me reading the posts.
Anyway, on the whole, I certainly do not want to see it again.
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Post by Nightscrawl on May 29, 2017 17:00:47 GMT
To me it seems like a spin on getting two gay dads, but was just handled incredibly poorly. While there are certainly many players who don't like Jill, or the issues surrounding her, there are also many that are very happy that they get to have that experience with Gil, and like the prospect of raising a child together, perhaps despite those other issues. It seems like those are more common on Tumblr, although I have seen some of those fans here as well.
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Post by phoray on May 29, 2017 17:10:40 GMT
I have openly admitted to not liking Andromeda on the whole 8 hours that I played it. I have even, carefully, sought out romantic spoilers on youtube to see if there was anything to draw me back into playing it. Interestingly, what little of Gil I saw on youtube made me minisculy interested in him as a potential partner for my future male Ryder, if I even did get around to playing it.
And now I've been spoiled on an entire complicated romantic arc from MEA in a thread about romance types wanted for DA4. Thanks guys.
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Post by Catilina on May 29, 2017 17:11:13 GMT
To me it seems like a spin on getting two gay dads, but was just handled incredibly poorly. While there are certainly many players who don't like Jill, or the issues surrounding her, there are also many that are very happy that they get to have that experience with Gil, and like the prospect of raising a child together, perhaps despite those other issues. It seems like those are more common on Tumblr, although I have seen some of those fans here as well. Personally I like the two gay dads concept, but the implementing is terrible. I heard, that Jill just joking, or something similar... but that doesn't make me feel better. Anyway, just not again. |
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Post by Catilina on May 29, 2017 17:14:10 GMT
I have openly admitted to not liking Andromeda on the whole 8 hours that I played it. I have even, carefully, sought out romantic spoilers on youtube to see if there was anything to draw me back into playing it. Interestingly, what little of Gil I saw on youtube made me minisculy interested in him as a potential partner for my future male Ryder, if I even did get around to playing it. And now I've been spoiled on an entire complicated romantic arc from MEA in a thread about romance types wanted for DA4. Thanks guys. Because Gil have the lesser romance content, and almost the every scene's about Jill and the baby, before Ryder and Gil can really get to know each other. |
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Post by Deleted on May 29, 2017 17:18:30 GMT
I have openly admitted to not liking Andromeda on the whole 8 hours that I played it. I have even, carefully, sought out romantic spoilers on youtube to see if there was anything to draw me back into playing it. Interestingly, what little of Gil I saw on youtube made me minisculy interested in him as a potential partner for my future male Ryder, if I even did get around to playing it. And now I've been spoiled on an entire complicated romantic arc from MEA in a thread about romance types wanted for DA4. Thanks guys. Sorry, that was ill done, and I appologize. But, tbh, Gil's subplot has to be experienced by the player, because what we put here is about as accurate description of what's going on, as "Dorian is that gay Tevinter Mage and his dad doesn't approve of it." in Inquisition, you get to know the char by looking at his or her content specifically, but in Andromeda, you need to hear the chit-chat, read the message boards, go through the e-mails, hang around to actually get a grasp of how the character is, and how you feel about him/her. Just talking to them ain't going to give you the entire picture imo. |
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Post by Nightscrawl on May 29, 2017 17:28:33 GMT
I have openly admitted to not liking Andromeda on the whole 8 hours that I played it. I have even, carefully, sought out romantic spoilers on youtube to see if there was anything to draw me back into playing it. Interestingly, what little of Gil I saw on youtube made me minisculy interested in him as a potential partner for my future male Ryder, if I even did get around to playing it. And now I've been spoiled on an entire complicated romantic arc from MEA in a thread about romance types wanted for DA4. Thanks guys. Sorry, that was ill done, and I appologize. But, tbh, Gil's subplot has to be experienced by the player, because what we put here is about as accurate description of what's going on, as "Dorian is that gay Tevinter Mage and his dad doesn't approve of it." in Inquisition, you get to know the char by looking at his or her content specifically, but in Andromeda, you need to hear the chit-chat, read the message boards, go through the e-mails, hang around to actually get a grasp of how the character is, and how you feel about him/her. Just talking to them ain't going to give you the entire picture imo. I agree with carefull. Even though Gil's content is limited, there are nice moments in it that don't have anything to do with the whole baby plot that you haven't been spoiled on with these comments. |
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Post by arvaarad on May 29, 2017 18:42:46 GMT
I'd love a romance with someone who was Tal-Vashoth from the beginning, or Vashoth. Nothing whatsoever to do with the Qun. (Shokrakar, maybe? Please?) I'm not into qunari in general, but I think it would be more compelling to do a real Qunari qunari. To be honest, I don't think Bull fully counts. Not only has he "gone native," which we see from his attachment to his Chargers, but the player is forced to make the decision that either keeps him in the Qun, or has him abandon it. I think it would be interesting to explore a romance with a character like Sten. Sten has a nice friendship arc, and comes to respect the Warden. But, what if that turned into a romance arc, and this spurred some crisis in the character? Speaking of Qunari, I hope we'll get the chance to hang out with a Qunari nerd. We see a bit of that in Viddasala's team, but we don't get much chance to chat about their research there.  How cool would it be to meet the Qunari counterpart of Dagna or Kang the Mad, who's constantly bursting at the seams to talk about the lock they custom-built for the Darvaarad, or some new plow design that increased farm output by 5%? I imagine they'd constantly be saying stuff like "I'm not supposed to be sharing this with bas, but <proceeds to gush about a dopant that turns gaatlok explosions blue>." The Qunari may not have bards and poets, but engineers make machines sing and mathematical proofs are tiny haikus, conveying complex concepts in the smallest possible space. The only Qunari most Thedosians come in contact with are soldiers, so they assume no Qunari are in creative roles. But given their technological advancement, they clearly have no problems with creativity.  |
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Post by leadintea on May 30, 2017 9:37:32 GMT
To me it seems like a spin on getting two gay dads, but was just handled incredibly poorly. While there are certainly many players who don't like Jill, or the issues surrounding her, there are also many that are very happy that they get to have that experience with Gil, and like the prospect of raising a child together, perhaps despite those other issues. It seems like those are more common on Tumblr, although I have seen some of those fans here as well. Yup, that's me. While Gil's romance felt rushed and poorly written at times, I still enjoyed the fact that we were able to begin raising a child with him. Not only does a child give Gil a reason to be in Andromeda after abandoning his life back in the Milky Way, it also gives Ryder a chance to be a better dad to his child than Alec was to him. And despite people's grievances with it, I'm really glad and surprised that the first romance to have a child in modern Bioware games is the gay one, especially since straight people have been asking for it for ages. To stick to the topic however, I don't really care too much about the types of romances we get in DA4, except that I hope we don't get a roguish lothario (especially one that has to learn how to love again) for an LI anytime soon. It's one of my most hated archetypes and I really want to be able to enjoy all the m/m options this time around instead of being saddled into one or none just because Bioware has a hard-on for that trope. |
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Post by Iddy on May 30, 2017 14:34:15 GMT
Wait... I know! Give us the option to romance a spirit. That would be different from anything we've experienced before.
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Post by Deleted on May 30, 2017 14:53:40 GMT
I'm not into qunari in general, but I think it would be more compelling to do a real Qunari qunari. To be honest, I don't think Bull fully counts. Not only has he "gone native," which we see from his attachment to his Chargers, but the player is forced to make the decision that either keeps him in the Qun, or has him abandon it. I think it would be interesting to explore a romance with a character like Sten. Sten has a nice friendship arc, and comes to respect the Warden. But, what if that turned into a romance arc, and this spurred some crisis in the character? Speaking of Qunari, I hope we'll get the chance to hang out with a Qunari nerd. We see a bit of that in Viddasala's team, but we don't get much chance to chat about their research there. How cool would it be to meet the Qunari counterpart of Dagna or Kang the Mad, who's constantly bursting at the seams to talk about the lock they custom-built for the Darvaarad, or some new plow design that increased farm output by 5%? I imagine they'd constantly be saying stuff like "I'm not supposed to be sharing this with bas, but <proceeds to gush about a dopant that turns gaatlok explosions blue>." The Qunari may not have bards and poets, but engineers make machines sing and mathematical proofs are tiny haikus, conveying complex concepts in the smallest possible space. The only Qunari most Thedosians come in contact with are soldiers, so they assume no Qunari are in creative roles. But given their technological advancement, they clearly have no problems with creativity. I like this idea, would really be interested, save for the "I shound not have said that". I think I am in a mood for colder competence more than anything else. And, yep, here goes that Bao Dur nostalgia again. To think of it, a Qunari engineer will be rather like a Zabrack one, and... yep. Would really dig Bao ressurected as a Qunari. |
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Post by arvaarad on May 30, 2017 15:55:14 GMT
Speaking of Qunari, I hope we'll get the chance to hang out with a Qunari nerd. We see a bit of that in Viddasala's team, but we don't get much chance to chat about their research there. How cool would it be to meet the Qunari counterpart of Dagna or Kang the Mad, who's constantly bursting at the seams to talk about the lock they custom-built for the Darvaarad, or some new plow design that increased farm output by 5%? I imagine they'd constantly be saying stuff like "I'm not supposed to be sharing this with bas, but <proceeds to gush about a dopant that turns gaatlok explosions blue>." The Qunari may not have bards and poets, but engineers make machines sing and mathematical proofs are tiny haikus, conveying complex concepts in the smallest possible space. The only Qunari most Thedosians come in contact with are soldiers, so they assume no Qunari are in creative roles. But given their technological advancement, they clearly have no problems with creativity. I like this idea, would really be interested, save for the "I shound not have said that". I think I am in a mood for colder competence more than anything else. And, yep, here goes that Bao Dur nostalgia again. To think of it, a Qunari engineer will be rather like a Zabrack one, and... yep. Would really dig Bao ressurected as a Qunari. Ooooo, or how about a grizzled tamassran who helps with diplomacy to human nations (like those letters people get when the triumvirate needs to do damage control)? "We offended the Rivaini." "I don't think so. She gave me free goods." "Yes, that is how I know she was offended." "Really? I should offend more people!" "...apologies, small one. I should not have brought it up. The nuances are too complex-" "For a bas to understand?" "No. Most bas would have no problems with it." |
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Post by phoray on May 30, 2017 17:34:11 GMT
Wait... I know! Give us the option to romance a spirit. That would be different from anything we've experienced before. I think that was listed in the original post. Also probably could count as the first Asexual, although depends on the spirit. Solas admitted to sex with spirits in that one convo with IB. |
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Post by Iddy on May 30, 2017 17:42:44 GMT
Wait... I know! Give us the option to romance a spirit. That would be different from anything we've experienced before. I think that was listed in the original post. Also probably could count as the first Asexual, although depends on the spirit. Solas admitted to sex with spirits in that one convo with IB. I think it depends on the spirit, yeah. I wouldn't romance someone like Cole because he is so innocent it would feel wrong, but a spirit with a functional sex drive? Damn right. Not to mention that such character would have particularly unique world views and life experiences. By the way, that wasn't IB's banter. It was a conversation between Solas and Blackwall and I certainly didn't see the former denying it is possible.  |
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Post by fylimar on May 30, 2017 17:50:47 GMT
If you don't mind me asking: how does getting married to two men work? I imagine that it isn't recognized under the law? Under law, we have to do some side work regarding inheritance if we were to die. For example, if both my legal husband and I died in a car crash, we'd want my second husband to inherit the house and my car, not my siblings or husband's siblings. So a couple trips to the lawyer, all I is well. Some poly homes go LLC and sell shares/stock in the homestead with all the property inside being listed as the property of the LLC. So the partner leaving would have to sell or be bought out. For me, the word husband, as I use it, refers to the level of commitment I share. We share a home and a bed every day, the finances, plans for the future, vacations. I've been with husband one since 2011, and husband two since 2013. We're doing well, I see no "divorce" coming up on either front. A big thank you from me too for sharing your experience, I'm glad, it works so well for you and your partners. And I agree with you, that there should only be a polyamrous li, if done well and not for satisfying some cliches. Catilina: You're from Hungary? It is a really beautiful country, I visited it a few times - my greatgrandfather came from there To not totally be off topic, here are some of my wishes - I would love a dwarven love interest - and since Varric is off the table, I'm ok with male and female. Dagna and Scout Harding would both be great candidates. Just not some 'funny drunk cliche' dwarf like Oghren. I really liked Leske, Broscas best friend - someone like him would be great (and he would fit another favorite of mine: the sarcastic rogueish character) - characterwise, I like types like Solas and Orsino - the 'Sherlock Holmes'-like characters, but I don't like Solas twist in the end for a romance and of course, Orsino was sadly never an option. But an intelligent, maybe a bit social awkward, nerdy character would be great (and I don't need a storybomb at the end) - my examples were both elves, but I'm ok with any other race (Dagna would fit in with intelligent and nerdy, but I don't find her socially awkward at all - she has a lot of chamre and knows how to use it). - someone 'normal' without a lot of drama going on - a bit like @carefulls wish, but I'm ok with a past, just not something, that haunts you today. Zevran with high enough approval (which he always has in my games so in my case it's just Zevran, but I would not approval-gate it with a hypothetical new character) would be a good example. He is easy going, nice and surprsingly committed to the relationship. No drama, no problems, no end of the world -scenario. |
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Post by Catilina on May 31, 2017 13:23:42 GMT
Under law, we have to do some side work regarding inheritance if we were to die. For example, if both my legal husband and I died in a car crash, we'd want my second husband to inherit the house and my car, not my siblings or husband's siblings. So a couple trips to the lawyer, all I is well. Some poly homes go LLC and sell shares/stock in the homestead with all the property inside being listed as the property of the LLC. So the partner leaving would have to sell or be bought out. For me, the word husband, as I use it, refers to the level of commitment I share. We share a home and a bed every day, the finances, plans for the future, vacations. I've been with husband one since 2011, and husband two since 2013. We're doing well, I see no "divorce" coming up on either front. A big thank you from me too for sharing your experience, I'm glad, it works so well for you and your partners. And I agree with you, that there should only be a polyamrous li, if done well and not for satisfying some cliches. Catilina : You're from Hungary? It is a really beautiful country, I visited it a few times - my greatgrandfather came from there To not totally be off topic, here are some of my wishes - I would love a dwarven love interest - and since Varric is off the table, I'm ok with male and female. Dagna and Scout Harding would both be great candidates. Just not some 'funny drunk cliche' dwarf like Oghren. I really liked Leske, Broscas best friend - someone like him would be great (and he would fit another favorite of mine: the sarcastic rogueish character) - characterwise, I like types like Solas and Orsino - the 'Sherlock Holmes'-like characters, but I don't like Solas twist in the end for a romance and of course, Orsino was sadly never an option. But an intelligent, maybe a bit social awkward, nerdy character would be great (and I don't need a storybomb at the end) - my examples were both elves, but I'm ok with any other race (Dagna would fit in with intelligent and nerdy, but I don't find her socially awkward at all - she has a lot of chamre and knows how to use it). - someone 'normal' without a lot of drama going on - a bit like @carefulls wish, but I'm ok with a past, just not something, that haunts you today. Zevran with high enough approval (which he always has in my games so in my case it's just Zevran, but I would not approval-gate it with a hypothetical new character) would be a good example. He is easy going, nice and surprsingly committed to the relationship. No drama, no problems, no end of the world -scenario. (Thank you! I'm surprised, true, many people emigrated from here.) It would be nice to have a dwarf romance, a lot of people are waiting for it. |
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Post by Deleted on May 31, 2017 13:47:24 GMT
If there is a Dwarf romance, I hope it comes with a generous block of Dwarven content in the game. I would love to have either a Dwarven or Qunari romance that is with a character that has as strong a connection to a storyline that is all about that culture and in the setting and plays a super-important role in it, and it's a nice detailed sector like Orzammar. Dwarves were so sidelined, and Qunari never admitted us into their midst as of yet, so something special for at least one of those two underappreciated races would be awesome.
I must admit that the idea of unchained Saberaas as a romance option when PC is on a secret mission in Par Vallon, as cheesy as it is... well, I greatly desire it. And, for a change, I'd like to see a female LI in that role, though I can see the hurricane of derision for chopped off horns and scarred face when the mask is removed. If the character starts with keeping the mask, but unveils her face later in the story as she develops, that would be something that will appeal to me. I am worried of course about it being too crass and imposing your own values as a southerner too easily... well, I dunno.
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Post by Rascoth on May 31, 2017 14:38:48 GMT
I'm one of those who long for dwarf LI. The question is about origin. If we go Tevinter, it could be either surfacer or (let me dream) Kal-Sharok dwarf. I don't see Orzammar one going so far north.
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Post by arvaarad on Jun 1, 2017 1:47:43 GMT
And, for a change, I'd like to see a female LI in that role, though I can see the hurricane of derision for chopped off horns and scarred face when the mask is removed. I'm still holding out hope that one of the DA4 backgrounds will be an escaped saarebas. And I must say, the image of having mouth stitches (or stitch scars) on my PC is a big factor there. Though I fully admit that having a saarebas PC would probably lead to impossible dialog branching, especially if we regularly deal with Qunari. Unless they give them a backstory like "Ben-Hassrath, familiar with human customs, who suddenly manifested magic after a long career." Like what happened to Saarath. That way, they wouldn't be totally helpless, they'd have skills from their original role. On the other hand, there's also the option of making them totally silent. "You must help me and my brother!" "..." "I don't have much, but-" "..." "Wait, can you speak?" *shakes head vigorously* |
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Post by Walter Black on Jun 1, 2017 13:18:31 GMT
And, for a change, I'd like to see a female LI in that role, though I can see the hurricane of derision for chopped off horns and scarred face when the mask is removed. I'm still holding out hope that one of the DA4 backgrounds will be an escaped saarebas. And I must say, the image of having mouth stitches (or stitch scars) on my PC is a big factor there. Though I fully admit that having a saarebas PC would probably lead to impossible dialog branching, especially if we regularly deal with Qunari. Unless they give them a backstory like "Ben-Hassrath, familiar with human customs, who suddenly manifested magic after a long career." Like what happened to Saarath. That way, they wouldn't be totally helpless, they'd have skills from their original role. On the other hand, there's also the option of making them totally silent. "You must help me and my brother!" "..." "I don't have much, but-" "..." "Wait, can you speak?" *shakes head vigorously* The writers have been very inconsistent on this, as Ketojan could speak. |
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Post by Nightscrawl on Jun 1, 2017 13:35:59 GMT
I'm still holding out hope that one of the DA4 backgrounds will be an escaped saarebas. And I must say, the image of having mouth stitches (or stitch scars) on my PC is a big factor there. Though I fully admit that having a saarebas PC would probably lead to impossible dialog branching, especially if we regularly deal with Qunari. Unless they give them a backstory like "Ben-Hassrath, familiar with human customs, who suddenly manifested magic after a long career." Like what happened to Saarath. That way, they wouldn't be totally helpless, they'd have skills from their original role. On the other hand, there's also the option of making them totally silent. "You must help me and my brother!" "..." "I don't have much, but-" "..." "Wait, can you speak?" *shakes head vigorously* The writers have been very inconsistent on this, as Ketojan could speak. Saarebas are not incapable of speech. Their mouth may be sewn shut, but they are also prevented from speaking via some magical means. Ketojan was able to speak only after the Arvaarad's leash is released using whatever that device was. You can see the device here. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 1, 2017 13:52:05 GMT
I'm still holding out hope that one of the DA4 backgrounds will be an escaped saarebas. And I must say, the image of having mouth stitches (or stitch scars) on my PC is a big factor there. Though I fully admit that having a saarebas PC would probably lead to impossible dialog branching, especially if we regularly deal with Qunari. Unless they give them a backstory like "Ben-Hassrath, familiar with human customs, who suddenly manifested magic after a long career." Like what happened to Saarath. That way, they wouldn't be totally helpless, they'd have skills from their original role. On the other hand, there's also the option of making them totally silent. "You must help me and my brother!" "..." "I don't have much, but-" "..." "Wait, can you speak?" *shakes head vigorously* The writers have been very inconsistent on this, as Ketojan could speak. Ah, maybe they can but do they want to.... We never really been close to a Saberaas, and for all we know, they have their own subculture different from other mages, including connection to one another, secret sign language, what have you. I know, very WoT, but hey, I'll buy if BioWARE is selling.
As a background, this is too unusual & specialized for a PC imo (but can work for a DLC for example), but as I said, a romance & friendship with a Saberaas is something I would be very interested in, including the cool lore trove it should imo bring.
I mean, I guess they could bend the lore, and invent a background for a PC in an Origin story where you do get captured and forced into a Saberaas position and have an intro about it, but I think the chances are slim.
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Post by phoray on Jun 1, 2017 19:09:38 GMT
I like this idea, would really be interested, save for the "I shound not have said that". I think I am in a mood for colder competence more than anything else. And, yep, here goes that Bao Dur nostalgia again. To think of it, a Qunari engineer will be rather like a Zabrack one, and... yep. Would really dig Bao ressurected as a Qunari. Ooooo, or how about a grizzled tamassran who helps with diplomacy to human nations (like those letters people get when the triumvirate needs to do damage control)? "We offended the Rivaini." "I don't think so. She gave me free goods." "Yes, that is how I know she was offended." "Really? I should offend more people!" "...apologies, small one. I should not have brought it up. The nuances are too complex-" "For a bas to understand?" "No. Most bas would have no problems with it." This reminded me of a conversation I had with Sten yesterday. Sten: "you aren't as Callow as I thought." ME, playing a dumb Brosca: "What does that word mean?" Sten: "It means, "one without feathers, like an unhatched bird." ME, playing a dumb Brosca, "Why would you think I had feathers, Sten?" Sten. *pause* "Perhaps I've spoken too soon."  |
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Post by phoray on Jun 1, 2017 19:40:18 GMT
The writers have been very inconsistent on this, as Ketojan could speak. Ah, maybe they can but do they want to.... We never really been close to a Saberaas, and for all we know, they have their own subculture different from other mages, including connection to one another, secret sign language, what have you. I know, very WoT, but hey, I'll buy if BioWARE is selling.
As a background, this is too unusual & specialized for a PC imo (but can work for a DLC for example), but as I said, a romance & friendship with a Saberaas is something I would be very interested in, including the cool lore trove it should imo bring.
I mean, I guess they could bend the lore, and invent a background for a PC in an Origin story where you do get captured and forced into a Saberaas position and have an intro about it, but I think the chances are slim.
All of the Qunari children are raised by a Tamassaran (sp) until their jobs are chosen. I imagined, as controlled as the society is, that everyone gets the basics taught to them pretty consistently and well. I can't imagine there would be much playing, either, so it's possible they would entere school at a far younger age. Magic can manifest as young as 6, apparently, but is more likely-ish to manifest at puberty. So, a 6 yr old turned Sarabas is unlikely to have received a lot of education, nor had long discussions with people, before their lips were sewn shut. But their ears aren't stopped- Mute people can still pick up language. And the ones who didn't manifest until 11-14 are going to be twice as good at regular stuff. That all said- I think most any of the Saarbas that make it to adulthood will be too well conditioned to ever escape intentionally. Anyone with even a hint of rebellion would have killed themselves already. Look at how unahppy elves and humans are, locked up in towers. And they still get to express themselves, via words written and spoken. READ, which is the biggest escape to any preson for the mind. Steal kisses in corners. Get to sneak out into a store room at night to sex it up. The Saarbas not only don't get that, they're of a species prone to violence. |
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