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Post by tatarforas on May 31, 2017 3:54:44 GMT
Who did you love? Who did you hate? Who did you want to kill? I don't love any of them and if given the option I would kill both of them, they should've given us the additional options to either annex Kadara for the initiative or hand over control to the Angaran Resistance. |
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Post by melbella on May 31, 2017 3:58:22 GMT
Anyone else notice that SAM's warning about the sniper isn't on private mode? So, everyone should have heard him, yet only Ryder acts. And if he doesn't, no one else does either. Are people able to hear SAM out in the field if they don't have some kind of implant or a comm that it has a channel to?
Don't know about Sloane, but Ryder's squad-mates should have heard it since they're hooked up via comm. Remember back in the beginning of the game when Liam asks who Ryder is talking to because he didn't hear anything? In that case, if SAM hadn't been using private mode, Liam would have heard him talking. If no one else could hear SAM under normal circumstances, there would be no need for a private channel. For whatever reason (typo being a distinct possibility) it wasn't used in that scene.
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Post by obatalaryder on May 31, 2017 4:07:32 GMT
Anyone ever see this terminal entry? Outcast Code of Conduct
Been getting a lot of reports lately about misconduct towards the locals. These actions will not be tolerated. Sloane's trying to build a better Heleus. One the Nexus promised, but failed to deliver. Wearing Outcast colors means you represent her. And I won't have anyone representing Sloane dishonorably. Since it seems we've all got a different meaning of honor, I've made a code of conduct. Follow it or dal with me
1. No disrespect towards Sloane or your fellow Outcasts
2. Public beatings are for disciplinary measures only
3 Drunkenness is fine to an extent
4. Don't antagonize the angara, but don't let them get away with sh*t either.
5. You got a friend interested in joining the Outcasts? Great. Send them to the recruiter. All new members must go through proper channels
6. No unauthorized contact with the Nexus
7. No association with the Collective
8. No sleeping on shift
9. No f*cking on shift. Off shift, do whatever you want. But I don't want to know about it.
10 Protection fees are non-negotiable. All fees must be collected on time. Don't charge more or less.
If anything is unclear, see me, but none of this should be hard.
Kaetus
Edit: and this one: No Angaran Recruits
Our recruiters have reported a number of angara interested in joining our ranks. Some of you have encouraged them. Stop. At least for now, the Outcasts are exiles only. Not all angara are happy about our rise t power. Until we know that our "new friends" can be trusted, they are not Outcast material.
Kaetus Yeah I saW those entries of course. I'm amused at everyone reiterating that the Outcasts are all medieval, bloodthirsty warlord extortionists that don't care about anyone but themselves. There's a sidequest that involves an Outcast member who's terrified of the act that he kicked out someone who actually paid their protectioon fees. He's fearful if they find out what isgoing to be done to him. Meaning, the Oucasts actually stick to their sense of honor/duty and would punish someone for breaking one of their guidelines. Meaning, the Outcast don't just kick anyone out for the sake of it like many people try to imply. People talk of future prospect but never of past experience when it comes to choosing the "safer" bet. You hire people to lead based on on their past experience, not on their romanticized sweet talk they give you. what actually is Reyes' resume? There's no Kadara Port for exiles without Sloane. Imagine what kind of strength it takes to eliminate practically all Kett threats and a establish a stronghold long enough that it becomes a functional mini city-state. |
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Post by gplayer on May 31, 2017 4:23:31 GMT
Reyes is the cannon choice. If you save Sloane, she will die between installments and Reyes will come into power anyway. That is why Sloane is killable but you can only wound Reyes. Being killable doesn't automatically mean canon. Wrex back in the OT can be killed off in the first game. Wreav must be canon by your definition. This is different from Wrex/Wreav. At no point do you choose between them. If Shep recruits Wrex, and convinces him to back down on Virmire then he continues to exist in the next two games. Wreav is not in ME1 and there is no choice between him and Wrex. Wreav was created to stand in just in case Wrex was not alive. Similar to the Geth VI that stands in for Legion. Its pretty clear that Wrex's role in the trilogy was not entirely clear when ME1 was written, and Wreav was written in hindsight. For this comparison to hold, Wreav must be clan chief no matter what happens to Wrex in order to be canon, so its apple and oranges. In ME2 you could not recruit Liara or VS because it was canon that they survive and return to the events in ME3. In MEA when Sloane dies thats it, I doubt there is going to be a lazarus project to bring her back. Reyes on the other hand can only be wounded which means that the writers might have future content planned for him. Yes this is a guess but its an educated guess and based on the information and what I know about BW I am making that prediction. |
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Post by steppinrazor on May 31, 2017 4:26:29 GMT
In my first playthrough as male Ryder I romanced Reyes, sooooo.... I totally feel jupped with his romance though, felt like there should be more... Pretty sure I somehow missed a sex scene too?
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Post by peekaboo on Jun 1, 2017 0:00:57 GMT
I wrote a longer post about it in the character thread but to sum up: Goal on Kadara - build a working society WITH the initiative Sloane - good at war, mobster governing style, pretty clueless (isn't even suspicious of Reyes and lets herself get isolated so much that she can't trust her own people. duh), somewhat likeable because direct and brash (why the hell antagonize someone as powerful as the pathfinder though while you are under pressure?) Reyes - good at tactics and scheming, has a plan and values trade, healthcare, diplomacy. probably machiavellian end-justifies-means governing style, manipulative bastard but hottest piece of character bioware has created (arguably) ever. 3rd (non-existent) choice would be to remove both and install some initiative-led government, but noone on kadara would accept that. i assume the durability would be short. = go reyes, continue your shady business  |
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Post by KLGChaos on Jun 1, 2017 13:45:35 GMT
First couple of times through, I went with Reyes. Third time I plan on saving Sloane (my soldier guy is big on logic, professionalism and honor), but will probably let Reyes go instead of shooting him. Pwnstix: I agree with you on Morda. I even gave her the ambassador position in my latest play through and it's still the same growl. Ungrateful valley girl that she is. |
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Post by decafhigh on Jun 1, 2017 16:59:20 GMT
what actually is Reyes' resume? There's no Kadara Port for exiles without Sloane. Imagine what kind of strength it takes to eliminate practically all Kett threats and a establish a stronghold long enough that it becomes a functional mini city-state. Ryder, an untested greenhorn with minimal combat training, two bumbling sidekicks, and an unarmed rover is all it takes to kick the Kett off a number of planets with relative ease. An actual experienced military person with a large force of mostly trained security personnel shouldn't have had any trouble at all securing Kadara. If the Kett weren't portrayed throughout the game as just slightly more competent than your average Saturday morning cartoon villains, I would have agreed with you.  |
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Post by Iakus on Jun 1, 2017 17:19:01 GMT
Anyone ever see this terminal entry? Outcast Code of Conduct
Been getting a lot of reports lately about misconduct towards the locals. These actions will not be tolerated. Sloane's trying to build a better Heleus. One the Nexus promised, but failed to deliver. Wearing Outcast colors means you represent her. And I won't have anyone representing Sloane dishonorably. Since it seems we've all got a different meaning of honor, I've made a code of conduct. Follow it or dal with me
1. No disrespect towards Sloane or your fellow Outcasts
2. Public beatings are for disciplinary measures only
3 Drunkenness is fine to an extent
4. Don't antagonize the angara, but don't let them get away with sh*t either.
5. You got a friend interested in joining the Outcasts? Great. Send them to the recruiter. All new members must go through proper channels
6. No unauthorized contact with the Nexus
7. No association with the Collective
8. No sleeping on shift
9. No f*cking on shift. Off shift, do whatever you want. But I don't want to know about it.
10 Protection fees are non-negotiable. All fees must be collected on time. Don't charge more or less.
If anything is unclear, see me, but none of this should be hard.
Kaetus
Edit: and this one: No Angaran Recruits
Our recruiters have reported a number of angara interested in joining our ranks. Some of you have encouraged them. Stop. At least for now, the Outcasts are exiles only. Not all angara are happy about our rise t power. Until we know that our "new friends" can be trusted, they are not Outcast material.
Kaetus Yeah I saW those entries of course. I'm amused at everyone reiterating that the Outcasts are all medieval, bloodthirsty warlord extortionists that don't care about anyone but themselves. There's a sidequest that involves an Outcast member who's terrified of the act that he kicked out someone who actually paid their protectioon fees. He's fearful if they find out what isgoing to be done to him. Meaning, the Oucasts actually stick to their sense of honor/duty and would punish someone for breaking one of their guidelines. Meaning, the Outcast don't just kick anyone out for the sake of it like many people try to imply. People talk of future prospect but never of past experience when it comes to choosing the "safer" bet. You hire people to lead based on on their past experience, not on their romanticized sweet talk they give you. what actually is Reyes' resume? There's no Kadara Port for exiles without Sloane. Imagine what kind of strength it takes to eliminate practically all Kett threats and a establish a stronghold long enough that it becomes a functional mini city-state. Not to mention making at least a small part of this hellish world livable for the exiles. The AI tried TWICE to colonize Eos with no luck. SLoane Kelly >Andromeda Initiative  |
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Post by obatalaryder on Jun 1, 2017 22:52:35 GMT
what actually is Reyes' resume? There's no Kadara Port for exiles without Sloane. Imagine what kind of strength it takes to eliminate practically all Kett threats and a establish a stronghold long enough that it becomes a functional mini city-state. Ryder, an untested greenhorn with minimal combat training, two bumbling sidekicks, and an unarmed rover is all it takes to kick the Kett off a number of planets with relative ease. An actual experienced military person with a large force of mostly trained security personnel shouldn't have had any trouble at all securing Kadara. If the Kett weren't portrayed throughout the game as just slightly more competent than your average Saturday morning cartoon villains, I would have agreed with you. Ryder doesn't actually kick the Kett off any planet. They merely sometimes manage to get rid of the particular sronghold in the area they're particularly in, but it's never stated in game the Ryders are sweeping up the Kett out of Helius. Even if yo ublow up that one particular facility on Voled, the Kett are still a presence on the planet. |
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Post by obatalaryder on Jun 2, 2017 4:35:52 GMT
Yeah I saW those entries of course. I'm amused at everyone reiterating that the Outcasts are all medieval, bloodthirsty warlord extortionists that don't care about anyone but themselves. There's a sidequest that involves an Outcast member who's terrified of the act that he kicked out someone who actually paid their protectioon fees. He's fearful if they find out what isgoing to be done to him. Meaning, the Oucasts actually stick to their sense of honor/duty and would punish someone for breaking one of their guidelines. Meaning, the Outcast don't just kick anyone out for the sake of it like many people try to imply. People talk of future prospect but never of past experience when it comes to choosing the "safer" bet. You hire people to lead based on on their past experience, not on their romanticized sweet talk they give you. what actually is Reyes' resume? There's no Kadara Port for exiles without Sloane. Imagine what kind of strength it takes to eliminate practically all Kett threats and a establish a stronghold long enough that it becomes a functional mini city-state. Not to mention making at least a small part of this hellish world livable for the exiles. The AI tried TWICE to colonize Eos with no luck. SLoane Kelly >Andromeda Initiative Yup, the incompetence of Tann and Addison is further shown with the comparison between them and Sloane's exiles. But either no one gives them credit or they figure it as bad plot writing and the use of a plot device. Also I've picked up the sort of flimsy logic people have been using towards choosing Reyes. A very American interventionist "If I get rid of this despot, and replace them with another one, that'll surely make things better!" line of logic. That has never worked, espescially for the people of the "despot" they're being disposed of. The fact that Ryder can virtually make the decision of enacting a complete power shift (that wasn't won on equal terms) is starkingly insidious. it's not decided by the people, or even righteously fought out in a war. It's handled by a conniving snake, a literal charaltan, that no one knows. But obviously he has the best interest for the people of Kadara /s. It should also be mentioned that Sloane, while feared nontheless, is admired and appreciated by the folks of Kadara. |
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Post by kharsis on Jun 2, 2017 8:16:28 GMT
Reyes was just a disgusting pool of sleaze that left a feeling of wanting a 3 day shower afterwards.
I enjoyed shooting him - but why did I use a pistol that my character never carries when it should have been with my enhanced Dhan shotgun.
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Post by jasonpogo on Jun 2, 2017 11:14:02 GMT
I always go Sloane. You know who she is and she is always upfront about what she wants. There is no way you can trust Anything Reyes says or dose. He proves to you time and again that he is not trustworthy. If Sloane turned on you she would give you the finger cuss at you and shoot you. If Reyes turned on you he would be your best friend and bed buddy. I'll take the transparent enemy every time thanks.
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Post by wildannie on Jun 2, 2017 12:16:56 GMT
Not to mention making at least a small part of this hellish world livable for the exiles. The AI tried TWICE to colonize Eos with no luck. SLoane Kelly >Andromeda Initiative Yup, the incompetence of Tann and Addison is further shown with the comparison between them and Sloane's exiles. But either no one gives them credit or they figure it as bad plot writing and the use of a plot device.
Also I've picked up the sort of flimsy logic people have been using towards choosing Reyes. A very American interventionist "If I get rid of this despot, and replace them with another one, that'll surely make things better!" line of logic. That has never worked, espescially for the people of the "despot" they're being disposed of. The fact that Ryder can virtually make the decision of enacting a complete power shift (that wasn't won on equal terms) is starkingly insidious. it's not decided by the people, or even righteously fought out in a war. It's handled by a conniving snake, a literal charaltan, that no one knows. But obviously he has the best interest for the people of Kadara /s. It should also be mentioned that Sloane, while feared nontheless, is admired and appreciated by the folks of Kadara. It is hardly the same as the interventions we have seen in real world conflict and politics. This is not some long standing distinct culture, it is a splinter group (which Reyes is also part of) who have only been there for a relatively short time. Sloane clearly doesn't have the skills to rule Kadara long term, or she would not find herself in the situation that she does. I see it as natural selection, saving Sloane is getting in the way of that. Whether Reyes turns out to be the better choice remains to be seen, but Sloane had to go IMO. |
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Post by zan on Jun 2, 2017 17:32:06 GMT
Metagaming: Reyes.
Non meta-gaming: Likely Reyes, but less certain.
Yes, Reyes is a liar. Yes he is dishonorable. Yes he is ambitious. But on the other hand he is smart, resourceful, efficient and has absolutely nothing to gain by having initiative fail and holds no grudges against it.
Yes I can see him trying to become a puppeteer down the road, but we already have Benefactors and a whole Andromeda of Kett (plus the creators of Scourge have never been revealed) to worry about. Reyes if nothing else will want to be on Initiative's side through THOSE issues. And if there is anything left standing, I don't think he would make that bad of a choice to lead AI (from the shadows).
Even if you consider him TIM 2.0 I really don't see an issue. Biggest issue with TIM was his obsession with raising humanity over other species at ANY COST. Reyes doesn't have that issue.
By the way I had no issues with Sloane - it was a blast pulling her tail. And I told her straight up when she took me to the cave that I am not her biggest fan. She coaxed me into going by stating that it's the only way I would ever get outpost on Kadara. So I guess she was right, just not the way she expected.
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Post by alihou on Jun 2, 2017 18:11:50 GMT
I picked Sloane because of reasons. There's a book about her, she didn't seem that bad in the book and is very upfront with everything. Reyes is sneaky as hell and unpredictable, I can't side with him ever. I don't want to be best buds with either of these people, I want them as an asset and most importantly to know their behaviors.
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Post by decafhigh on Jun 2, 2017 18:49:39 GMT
I always go Sloane. You know who she is and she is always upfront about what she wants. There is no way you can trust Anything Reyes says or dose. He proves to you time and again that he is not trustworthy. If Sloane turned on you she would give you the finger cuss at you and shoot you. If Reyes turned on you he would be your best friend and bed buddy. I'll take the transparent enemy every time thanks. People say this all the time. Is there like a bullet point list somewhere of all the times Reyes "proves" how untrustworthy he is? Aside from not telling me straight up he is the "Charlatan" (understandable in my opinion) all he does is send me on some quests to help make things a little bit better. Then asks for my help and we get tricked by his ex. Tells me how he wants the AI to work and supports it. Helps out the Angara and the Resistance. All in all he seems like a pretty decent guy to me. Sloane straight up tells you putting an outpost on Kadara would mean war and only backs off that when her lovey dovey gets hurt and she needs my help because she has alienated all her own people to the point she can't trust them anymore. I have no doubt that even if I do help her that the outpost there is going to be in grave danger the minute the Tempest takes off. Either from Sloane directly or her inability to continue to control her own people. /shrug Helping Sloane just seems incredibly silly to me, even if I didn't trust Reyes. |
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Post by Iakus on Jun 2, 2017 18:56:13 GMT
Yup, the incompetence of Tann and Addison is further shown with the comparison between them and Sloane's exiles. But either no one gives them credit or they figure it as bad plot writing and the use of a plot device.
Also I've picked up the sort of flimsy logic people have been using towards choosing Reyes. A very American interventionist "If I get rid of this despot, and replace them with another one, that'll surely make things better!" line of logic. That has never worked, espescially for the people of the "despot" they're being disposed of. The fact that Ryder can virtually make the decision of enacting a complete power shift (that wasn't won on equal terms) is starkingly insidious. it's not decided by the people, or even righteously fought out in a war. It's handled by a conniving snake, a literal charaltan, that no one knows. But obviously he has the best interest for the people of Kadara /s. It should also be mentioned that Sloane, while feared nontheless, is admired and appreciated by the folks of Kadara. It is hardly the same as the interventions we have seen in real world conflict and politics. This is not some long standing distinct culture, it is a splinter group (which Reyes is also part of) who have only been there for a relatively short time. Sloane clearly doesn't have the skills to rule Kadara long term, or she would not find herself in the situation that she does. I see it as natural selection, saving Sloane is getting in the way of that. Whether Reyes turns out to be the better choice remains to be seen, but Sloane had to go IMO. I'd be willing to go along with that...IF Reyes hadn't tried to cheat the duel. Which in the end was just the latest in a long line of deception and misdirection he's perpetrated on everyone including Ryder. |
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Post by Iakus on Jun 2, 2017 18:59:12 GMT
I always go Sloane. You know who she is and she is always upfront about what she wants. There is no way you can trust Anything Reyes says or dose. He proves to you time and again that he is not trustworthy. If Sloane turned on you she would give you the finger cuss at you and shoot you. If Reyes turned on you he would be your best friend and bed buddy. I'll take the transparent enemy every time thanks. People say this all the time. Is there like a bullet point list somewhere of all the times Reyes "proves" how untrustworthy he is? Aside from not telling me straight up he is the "Charlatan" (understandable in my opinion) all he does is send me on some quests to help make things a little bit better. Then asks for my help and we get tricked by his ex. Tells me how he wants the AI to work and supports it. Helps out the Angara and the Resistance. All in all he seems like a pretty decent guy to me. Sloane straight up tells you putting an outpost on Kadara would mean war and only backs off that when her lovey dovey gets hurt and she needs my help because she has alienated all her own people to the point she can't trust them anymore. I have no doubt that even if I do help her that the outpost there is going to be in grave danger the minute the Tempest takes off. Either from Sloane directly or her inability to continue to control her own people. /shrug Helping Sloane just seems incredibly silly to me, even if I didn't trust Reyes. Sloane keeps her word. She's brutal and callus, but she means what she says. If she says she will leave the outpost alone and will even protect it (for a fee, of course) then I trust she will do it. |
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Post by decafhigh on Jun 2, 2017 19:08:05 GMT
Sloane keeps her word. She's brutal and callus, but she means what she says. If she says she will leave the outpost alone and will even protect it (for a fee, of course) then I trust she will do it. Meh, I don't. She already turned her back on and betrayed the AI once. She only offers help when it benefits her and otherwise assume you should be a subservient dog to her unless you want to be thrown out into the wilds. I don't trust her as far as I could boot her. She clearly hates the AI, for whatever reason. I have no doubt the moment she thinks she can get away with it that outpost is toast. |
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Post by wildannie on Jun 2, 2017 19:12:25 GMT
It is hardly the same as the interventions we have seen in real world conflict and politics. This is not some long standing distinct culture, it is a splinter group (which Reyes is also part of) who have only been there for a relatively short time. Sloane clearly doesn't have the skills to rule Kadara long term, or she would not find herself in the situation that she does. I see it as natural selection, saving Sloane is getting in the way of that. Whether Reyes turns out to be the better choice remains to be seen, but Sloane had to go IMO. I'd be willing to go along with that...IF Reyes hadn't tried to cheat the duel. Which in the end was just the latest in a long line of deception and misdirection he's perpetrated on everyone including Ryder. I'm not going to deny that that was not his finest moment /understatement I would have liked more conversation options after the incident, but ultimately my Sara had never got on with Sloane and had a strong dislike of her. She also considered her to be a problem, so it made sense for her to let it happen, however distasteful the method. My Scott did save Sloane though. I really hope that this will be a story that is followed up in a meaningful way in DLC or sequel. |
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Post by Zitrus on Jun 2, 2017 19:34:46 GMT
I've seen this mentioned a couple of times now. Result: You're dead. And let's say stabs you in your sleep. Result: You're dead. Why? Does transparent death feel better?  It is hardly the same as the interventions we have seen in real world conflict and politics. This is not some long standing distinct culture, it is a splinter group (which Reyes is also part of) who have only been there for a relatively short time. Sloane clearly doesn't have the skills to rule Kadara long term, or she would not find herself in the situation that she does. I see it as natural selection, saving Sloane is getting in the way of that. Whether Reyes turns out to be the better choice remains to be seen, but Sloane had to go IMO. I'd be willing to go along with that...IF Reyes hadn't tried to cheat the duel. Which in the end was just the latest in a long line of deception and misdirection he's perpetrated on everyone including Ryder. What is this long line? That he withhold his true identity from Ryder and most others and tried to undermine Sloane in various ways? That is basically his job. Reyes kept his word as well. He helped you with the spy if you went that route, helped you with the murder quest, didn't lie about his cargo quest. Protects the outpost as well for trade. Why does she need a fee? It's basically three fees: Protection fee, production/cargo fee at the docks and "finder's fee": she keeps part of the cargo and if the outpost want it back, they have to pay - surprise - a fee. |
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Post by melbella on Jun 2, 2017 19:47:21 GMT
Sloane keeps her word. She's brutal and callus, but she means what she says. If she says she will leave the outpost alone and will even protect it (for a fee, of course) then I trust she will do it. Meh, I don't. She already turned her back on and betrayed the AI once. She only offers help when it benefits her and otherwise assume you should be a subservient dog to her unless you want to be thrown out into the wilds. I don't trust her as far as I could boot her. She clearly hates the AI, for whatever reason. I have no doubt the moment she thinks she can get away with it that outpost is toast. Exactly. What happens when Ryder is out of the picture? Sloane straight up says she won't deal with the Initiative, but only with Ryder. If anything happens to him/her, the outpost is going to be toast with Sloane in charge. Note: that hasn't stopped me from saving her in a couple of my games. |
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Post by KrrKs on Jun 2, 2017 21:14:03 GMT
[...] Yes I can see him trying to become a puppeteer down the road, but we already have Benefactors and a whole Andromeda of Kett (plus the creators of Scourge have never been revealed) to worry about. Reyes if nothing else will want to be on Initiative's side through THOSE issues. The way I see it, Reyes always is on that side of the (seemingly) winner. 1. She already turned her back on and betrayed the AI once. 2. She only offers help when it benefits her and otherwise assume you should be a subservient dog to her unless you want to be thrown out into the wilds. [...] 3. She clearly hates the AI, for whatever reason. I have no doubt the moment she thinks she can get away with it that outpost is toast. Numbering by me. 1. What the game tells is that when the uprising started against the new Nexus' leadership, Tann and Spender eventually opted for employing the Krogan and violence against their own citizens -Against the advice of then head-of-Security Sloane. Sloane in that function was responsible for the security and well being of everyone onboard the Nexus, and chose to support and protect the (later) exiles against official Nexus leadership, after the Krogan decision. I believe that states very clearly what kind of person she is, or at least tries to be. 2. She offers help only after she has no other option left, yes. But she assumes Ryder to be subservient Dog of the Nexus and Tann, not that Ryder should be her dog. 3. This is the direct reaction to 1., that the AI officials opted to go against their own people, the people she was in charge of protecting. At least that is how I understand what happened and why she acts the way she does. And I find that completely understandable. She basically risked her own well being to protect nexus citizens in what seems to became some sort of civil war. That all that went fubard after they were exiled, on a planet devoid of most resources, is a different story. But even there, her brutal regime has clear rules and seems to be geared towards keeping a place full of armed-to-the-teeth scavengers, and pirate-turned exiles, running in a somewhat civilized fashion. Reyes on the other hand has seemingly done nothing that did not directly (or indirectly) benefit himself. He played everyone, working with the exiles, the Angara, the Nexus, and probably the Krogan. To me he seems like a more adept Spender. |
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Post by Zitrus on Jun 2, 2017 23:14:23 GMT
1. I believe she tried to protect them, they all wanted to live, herself included, but she ended up as a gang boss. She notes the irony herself. I haven't read the book yet but from what I gathered she made mistakes in this whole incident as well.
2. She is at least very dismissive before she ends up asking for help.
3. That does not mean she has to hate everyone who is part of the Nexus. Ryder wasn't even there during the uprising and it's not the fault of the settlers at the outpost. A bit of diplomacy on her part would not hurt.
I had the impression Kadara is rather resourceful. It's hard to do much without the proper equipment but they do have stolen/smuggled equipment. Of course she keeps the peace for the most part, with questionable methods, but she is also doing this for her own benefit, to stay in charge and make money. She is not running a charity and the Outcasts come first, all others second. The rules don't make the brutality of the regime better. Not all exiles there are armed criminals.
Well, Reyes is trying to overthrow Sloane since he disapproves of her, so of course he is doing things that benefit him and his gang but they help others as well. For example the soup kitchen helps the starving cititzens in the slums since Sloane doesn't care and at the same time makes him more popular with the poor. He donates to the clinic, Nakamoto knows it, I doubt many or any patients care or know, they just want to be patched up. He doesn't really gain anything from this as the doc is not interested in joining him. I don't remember anything about him and the krogan atm. He buys from Velonia on Elaaden.
And Sloane? Free food and drinks, her parties, the public executions, all to keep the populace in line and strengthen her rule. Give and take.
They both have good and bad sides. It depends on what one finds more acceptable. But one is not the altruistic shining light and the other the pure selfish evil.
Oh and Spender is such a scumbag, he is playing the Nexus and the exiles for his personal benefit alone.
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