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Post by straykat on Sept 12, 2016 5:48:34 GMT
Badass brothers in arms or studs. Studs? Go to archive of our own or fanfiction net, Garrus/femShep romance nearly 4000 stories, greater than all other pairings. Women really liked Garrus. Read some of them or the highest rated ones and find out some interesting fancanon lore about turian male anatomy and sexual practices I don't think that means anything. There's also people who watch dog-on-human-female porn. This is almost the same, except it's sexual anatomy coming out of a piece of skin that looks like bark. It was nicer knowing that people developed an emotional liking for it... but if gone into detail, it's ruined. Actual sex ruins it.
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Post by fruitster on Sept 12, 2016 7:41:29 GMT
Turians are a check and balance against humanity's aggression and arrogance, and that's mainly why I like them. Two races with similar mindsets and similar military strength - Either race goes to war with the other and they both lose out. Just for that, Turians have a key purpose in Mass Effect. Knowing how human's operate, who would keep them in check were the Turians not there? Very much a cold war type of affair as someone in the thread mentioned.
Garrus is certainly a big part of why I like Turians, but he was a window of what Turians are, what they are expected to be, their social structure, military doctrine and what is expected - even if Garrus himself 'isn't a very good Turian'in terms of just doing what is expected, he has a strong moral code to do right. If Garrus hadn't been the character he is, perhaps my view of Turians generally wouldn't be as positive. But so many of the Turian characters in the games left a good impression on me. To not have them in Andromeda would be a terrible shame.
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Turians are a check and balance against humanity's aggression and arrogance, and that's mainly why I like them. Two races with similar mindsets and similar military strength - Either race goes to war with the other and they both lose out. Just for that, Turians have a key purpose in Mass Effect. Knowing how human's operate, who would keep them in check were the Turians not there? Very much a cold war type of affair as someone in the thread mentioned. Garrus is certainly a big part of why I like Turians, but he was a window of what Turians are, what they are expected to be, their social structure, military doctrine and what is expected - even if Garrus himself 'isn't a very good Turian'in terms of just doing what is expected, he has a strong moral code to do right. If Garrus hadn't been the character he is, perhaps my view of Turians generally wouldn't be as positive. But so many of the Turian characters in the games left a good impression on me. To not have them in Andromeda would be a terrible shame. I always saw the turians as the aggressive and arrogant, humanity as recklessly curious and selfish. The military emphasis and requirement in turian society keeping such predatory aggressions in check. Turians were incredibly racist throughout the trilogy, and even sexually over aggressive like Oraka demanding Sha'ira take their relationship further against her will and the turian on Omega trying to force the asari/femShep to perform fellatio on him. Afterall, foundation comics say turians initially sought to conquer and occupy earth and enslave its citizens. That was how humanity was introduced to the galactic community, by trigger anxious turians intent to kill and ask questions later, conquer and enslave an unknown species that did not fire on them first. This is why cerberus and xenophobia starts in humanity.
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Post by ApocAlypsE on Sept 12, 2016 8:19:25 GMT
First of all Salarians and Krogan are all but confirmed, so we are only left with Turians. Second, with all the hate to the Turian councilor, remember that he was the first to jump to Shepard's aid in the 3rd game. They are powerful, strategic, and know their stuff. They are the most diverse in personality in the trilogy of all the alien races. How can you forget the Techno Turian?
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Post by guanxi on Sept 12, 2016 10:08:57 GMT
The character of the Turian species is definitely one of honor, chivalry and civic pride which perfectly translates into a meritocratic-bureaucratic society as one might expect. They are quite literal blue-bloods typified by their honest by-the-book do-things-right-or-don't-do-them-at-all nature... these are all societally aspirational qualities you might associate with heroic acts / patriotism so it's no wonder how popular they are given most players identify as paragons who will typically embrace these values.
I reckon your personal affinity for the Turians rises in proportion to your paragon meter score and probably in reality your support for the military, police and government (authority). Whenever I meet a Hank Hill in real life I always think of them as human turians.
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Post by helios969 on Sept 12, 2016 10:38:32 GMT
Badass brothers in arms or studs. Studs? Go to archive of our own or fanfiction net, Garrus/femShep romance nearly 4000 stories, greater than all other pairings. Women really liked Garrus. Read some of them or the highest rated ones and find out some interesting fancanon lore about turian male anatomy and sexual practices I don't think that means anything. There's also people who watch dog-on-human-female porn. This is almost the same, except it's sexual anatomy coming out of a piece of skin that looks bark. It was nicer knowing that people developed an emotional liking for it... but if gone into detail, it's ruined. Actual sex ruins it. I couldn't agree more. I always found the alien romances to be more than a bit awkward...and a little bit disturbing. I think if you're going to do them they should be more emotional based without the actual copulation part...implied or otherwise.
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Post by Xerxes52 on Sept 12, 2016 10:49:02 GMT
I don't think that means anything. There's also people who watch dog-on-human-female porn. This is almost the same, except it's sexual anatomy coming out of a piece of skin that looks bark. It was nicer knowing that people developed an emotional liking for it... but if gone into detail, it's ruined. Actual sex ruins it. I couldn't agree more. I always found the alien romances to be more than a bit awkward...and a little bit disturbing. I think if you're going to do them they should be more emotional based without the actual copulation part...implied or otherwise. Well, aren't many of the alien romance options potentially hazardous to the health of the protag or LI? You got quarians with their compromised immune systems. You've got dextro turians, with their "chafing", and remember what Mordin said everyone, don't ingest. And then there's the drell and their hallucinogenic fluids (get it, 'cause they're frog people). Asari are an exception, as they've evolved to breed with pretty much any intelligent species. While I'm not against alien romances, it's probably for the best if they're kept platonic in most situations. Well, unless NerveStim Pro has a "multiplayer" mode.
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Post by dalinne on Sept 12, 2016 12:15:12 GMT
I couldn't agree more. I always found the alien romances to be more than a bit awkward...and a little bit disturbing. I think if you're going to do them they should be more emotional based without the actual copulation part...implied or otherwise. Well, aren't many of the alien romance options potentially hazardous to the health of the protag or LI? You got quarians with their compromised immune systems. You've got dextro turians, with their "chafing", and remember what Mordin said everyone, don't ingest. And then there's the drell and their hallucinogenic fluids (get it, 'cause they're frog people). Asari are an exception, as they've evolved to breed with pretty much any intelligent species. While I'm not against alien romances, it's probably for the best if they're kept platonic in most situations. Well, unless NerveStim Pro has a "multiplayer" mode. I disagree. I don't see the problem inter-especies sex between sapient species. However, I prefer not to see it. I prefer not to see any sexual encounter, human or alien. It happens the same with movies or books: I rather watch or read what happens after or right before the sex than the actual sex, which is for me something personal between only two characters (or multiple characters if they go all orgy) and I feel like intruding watching it. Also, animated sex feels weird and hardly realistic (please, watch in YT Farenheit Indigo Profecy sex scene and be horrorified). I have no problems with nude tho, but like all my post, that is subjective.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 12, 2016 12:39:01 GMT
I admit I want to see a Turian in Frostbite.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 12, 2016 13:08:53 GMT
Because Turians are badass. And I like how people don't want to see Geth/Quarians(at least in that thread, that actually matches BioWare's behind closed doors survey and sample, look it up), since their story is completely done, the "omg quarians are ship experts" is overused and arguably not even spot on, yeah, they keep their junk fleet floating(some ships are just too old), wow, such feat. People liked Tali, but the whole race is boring, fragile and arguably useless for intergalactic travel and especially exploration. I mean we've seen how good explorers they are, getting rekt by a pack of varren(ME2 side quest), the big alien from the EA play video could smash a whole quarian squad. Not sure about drell, people probably like them the least out of the options in that poll. Why are Turians badass? They got their arses kicked by a bunch of hairless apes who had been spacefairing for a thousand less years than them, got their asses kicked by battletoads and were saved by a salarian engineered plague, proceeded to produce the galaxy's worst terrorist (who almost brought about the apocalypse in no small part due to also producing the universe's most pointlessly obstructionist councilor), and their entire Citadel fleet is blown to bits almost as an afterthought by a small fraction of the geth (fortunately, the hairless apes were there to save them). ME3 shows us yet more of their "badassery" when a tiny group of human space Nazis make a mockery of turian attempt at a simple drop and grab of a bomb they planted. Unlike most other missions the player can ignore (which usually still get done, albiet with higher casualties) If Shepard doesn't do the mission, the turians fail and the bomb explodes. Half of the krogan population is taken down by turian incompetence. Oh, and they also need Kal'Reegar and a bunch of those same "boring, fragile and useless" quarians to retake a crucial comm relay (on their own home planet of Palaven, no less) that their supposed "badassery" apparently isn't good enough for. When you need a problem shot, ask a turian. They'll come in, miss the problem, see it's a human (or a krogan, or a geth) and lose to it, deny it exists, then ask a human (or salarian or maybe even a quarian) to solve it for them.
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Post by Command0rk on Sept 12, 2016 13:27:28 GMT
I've never been all that big on Turians myself (or Garrus).. but they are a unique edition to the Mass Effect universe. I wouldn't say 'diverse', but definitely unique. Salarians and Asari sprung up from distinctive niches in the science fiction genre in regards to Alien races. On the other hand, I hadn't seen anything quite like the Turians before playing Mass Effect.
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Post by Vortex13 on Sept 12, 2016 13:36:40 GMT
Not too sure on the Turians. I mean lore-wise I guess it makes sense, seeing as how they are a Council species and the one's with the biggest military, but apart from that? Hmm, not sure. I suppose you could say that we've never really got a chance to see what Turian society is like outside of Garus, nowhere near the level of exploration that we got with Tali and the Quarians.
The only one I am truly perplexed by though is the Krogan, didn't we dedicate a third of the last game to resolving all of their long standing issues and dirty laundry? What more can we expect out of them aside from rehashes of existing plot lines?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 12, 2016 14:07:55 GMT
Not too sure on the Turians. I mean lore-wise I guess it makes sense, seeing as how they are a Council species and the one's with the biggest military, but apart from that? Hmm, not sure. I suppose you could say that we've never really got a chance to see what Turian society is like outside of Garus, nowhere near the level of exploration that we got with Tali and the Quarians. The only one I am truly perplexed by though is the Krogan, didn't we dedicate a third of the last game to resolving all of their long standing issues and dirty laundry? What more can we expect out of them aside from rehashes of existing plot lines? Krogan are there because lots of people like infantile destruction and violence. Their "story" or whatever (interesting as I think the genophage arc was) hardly matters for most people who aren't die hard ME turbonerds. They don't need any depth to be popular among the general game buying public. The genophage arc was window dressing, evidenced by 92% of players curing it regardless of Wreav being the most common krogan leader. I imagine the case is the same with the turians due to being "badass soldier guys". We know little of them, and what we do paints them as by far the most rubber foreheaded human aliens of the ME lot (in terms of psychology/culture and behavior, not the actual physical design which is okay), yet they are massively popular. Albiet, I don't know how much they could do with the whole "militaristic" trope that hasn't already been done to death in Scifi. Statist space fascists who like shooting things exist in just about every scifi universe. Other than appearance, Garrus was no less "human" than any human squadmate. Most other humanoids at least had some quirks (even if they were still mostly human). I suspect that actually worked in his favor in terms of poularity, as he can more easily fill the role of "alien bro" for a wider spectrum of people, than say a wierdo like Thane or Mordin (or for females Samara or Tali). Species like the krogan, turians or even asari are easy to understand and can fill common species-hat tropes (brutes, militarists, space babes), and are therefore popular.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 12, 2016 14:15:33 GMT
Ooh you quoted my poll. I feel so special.
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Post by Vortex13 on Sept 12, 2016 14:18:11 GMT
Not too sure on the Turians. I mean lore-wise I guess it makes sense, seeing as how they are a Council species and the one's with the biggest military, but apart from that? Hmm, not sure. I suppose you could say that we've never really got a chance to see what Turian society is like outside of Garus, nowhere near the level of exploration that we got with Tali and the Quarians. The only one I am truly perplexed by though is the Krogan, didn't we dedicate a third of the last game to resolving all of their long standing issues and dirty laundry? What more can we expect out of them aside from rehashes of existing plot lines? Krogan are there because lots of people like infantile destruction and violence. Their "story" or whatever hardly matters for most people who aren't die hard ME turbonerds. They don't need any depth to be popular among the general game buying public. The genophage arc was window dressing, evidenced by 92% of players curing it regardless of Wreav being the most common krogan leader. I imagine the case is the same with the turians due to being "badass soldier guys". We know little of them, and what we do paints them as by far the most rubber foreheaded human aliens of the ME lot (in terms of psychology/culture and behavior, not the actual physical design which is okay), yet they are massively popular. Albiet, I don't know how much they could do with the whole "militaristic" trope that hasn't already been done to death in Scifi. Statist space fascists who like shooting things exist in just about every scifi universe. Other than appearance, Garrus was no less "human" than any human squadmate. Most other humanoids at least had some quirks (even if they were still mostly human). I suspect that actually worked in his favor in terms of poularity, as he can more easily fill the role of "alien bro" for a wider spectrum of people, than say a wierdo like Thane or Mordin (or for females Samara or Tali). Species like the krogan, turians or asari are easy to understand and fill common tropes (brutes, militarists, space babes), and are therefore popular. Sadly true. It's just like the Klingons with Star Trek; I am positive that if we didn't have to cram them into every show (seemingly) that we would have gotten more interesting stories. The Krogan and Asari should take a backseat, let some of the other aliens from the universe get their time in the limelight. It would be amazing if we could see a take on the Hanar, Elcor, or Volus that wasn't an opportunity for really bad attempts at humor. A showcasing of the Rachni that isn't the same exact choice from ME 1, just with a different backdrop. An exploration of the Slarians aside from being evil scientists that dared to pick on the Krogan. Etc.
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Krogan are there because lots of people like infantile destruction and violence. Their "story" or whatever hardly matters for most people who aren't die hard ME turbonerds. They don't need any depth to be popular among the general game buying public. The genophage arc was window dressing, evidenced by 92% of players curing it regardless of Wreav being the most common krogan leader. I imagine the case is the same with the turians due to being "badass soldier guys". We know little of them, and what we do paints them as by far the most rubber foreheaded human aliens of the ME lot (in terms of psychology/culture and behavior, not the actual physical design which is okay), yet they are massively popular. Albiet, I don't know how much they could do with the whole "militaristic" trope that hasn't already been done to death in Scifi. Statist space fascists who like shooting things exist in just about every scifi universe. Other than appearance, Garrus was no less "human" than any human squadmate. Most other humanoids at least had some quirks (even if they were still mostly human). I suspect that actually worked in his favor in terms of poularity, as he can more easily fill the role of "alien bro" for a wider spectrum of people, than say a wierdo like Thane or Mordin (or for females Samara or Tali). Species like the krogan, turians or asari are easy to understand and fill common tropes (brutes, militarists, space babes), and are therefore popular. Sadly true. It's just like the Klingons with Star Trek; I am positive that if we didn't have to cram them into every show (seemingly) that we would have gotten more interesting stories. The Krogan and Asari should take a backseat, let some of the other aliens from the universe get their time in the limelight. It would be amazing if we could see a take on the Hanar, Elcor, or Volus that wasn't an opportunity for really bad attempts at humor. A showcasing of the Rachni that isn't the same exact choice from ME 1, just with a different backdrop. An exploration of the Slarians aside from being evil scientists that dared to pick on the Krogan. Etc. Klingons are a good comparison. Just about every alien concept in that setting is more interesting than them, yet it's the Klingons who are everywhere and popular.
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Post by Vortex13 on Sept 12, 2016 14:42:28 GMT
Sadly true. It's just like the Klingons with Star Trek; I am positive that if we didn't have to cram them into every show (seemingly) that we would have gotten more interesting stories. The Krogan and Asari should take a backseat, let some of the other aliens from the universe get their time in the limelight. It would be amazing if we could see a take on the Hanar, Elcor, or Volus that wasn't an opportunity for really bad attempts at humor. A showcasing of the Rachni that isn't the same exact choice from ME 1, just with a different backdrop. An exploration of the Slarians aside from being evil scientists that dared to pick on the Krogan. Etc. Klingons are a good comparison. Just about every alien concept in that setting is more interesting than them, yet it's the Klingons who are everywhere and popular. Yeah, you know I actually wouldn't mind the Klingons (and Krogan) as much if they weren't involved in practically every single event of their respective universes. We get it, Klingons (and Krogan) are aggressive warrior cultures, can we please shut up about them now?
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Post by Spectr61 on Sept 12, 2016 14:54:51 GMT
Because of their sense of humor. And, of course, the location of their "sticks".
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Post by fruitster on Sept 12, 2016 15:00:40 GMT
Turians are a check and balance against humanity's aggression and arrogance, and that's mainly why I like them. Two races with similar mindsets and similar military strength - Either race goes to war with the other and they both lose out. Just for that, Turians have a key purpose in Mass Effect. Knowing how human's operate, who would keep them in check were the Turians not there? Very much a cold war type of affair as someone in the thread mentioned. Garrus is certainly a big part of why I like Turians, but he was a window of what Turians are, what they are expected to be, their social structure, military doctrine and what is expected - even if Garrus himself 'isn't a very good Turian'in terms of just doing what is expected, he has a strong moral code to do right. If Garrus hadn't been the character he is, perhaps my view of Turians generally wouldn't be as positive. But so many of the Turian characters in the games left a good impression on me. To not have them in Andromeda would be a terrible shame. I always saw the turians as the aggressive and arrogant, humanity as recklessly curious and selfish. The military emphasis and requirement in turian society keeping such predatory aggressions in check. Turians were incredibly racist throughout the trilogy, and even sexually over aggressive like Oraka demanding Sha'ira take their relationship further against her will and the turian on Omega trying to force the asari/femShep to perform fellatio on him. Afterall, foundation comics say turians initially sought to conquer and occupy earth and enslave its citizens. That was how humanity was introduced to the galactic community, by trigger anxious turians intent to kill and ask questions later, conquer and enslave an unknown species that did not fire on them first. This is why cerberus and xenophobia starts in humanity. There are certainly many unpleasant Turians in the first three games, but that's true of humans, Asari, Krogan etc - there are examples and individuals of all the species for the most part having xenophobic, sexist or just plain evil views - I'd say human nature!! Take the initial dust up in the first contact war with the humans and Turians. Turians saw an illegal act of humanity opening forbidden relays and were right to attack from their perspective, humans saw an unprovoked attack by a hostile alien race and correctly fought back later, from their perspective. It's pretty much the story for most if not all wars. Every people will have it's bad apples - I just like the doctrine of the Turians. It seems honour based and set in a past era perhaps.
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Post by straykat on Sept 12, 2016 15:05:07 GMT
In Hudson's words, those other races like Elcor weren't necessarily attempts at humor.. but to just be interesting/cool for being "there". Background/props.
I think the Volus are interesting for other reasons though, because they've had Council ambitions for so long, but got screwed.
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Post by RageUnderFire on Sept 12, 2016 15:18:07 GMT
Turians are a check and balance against humanity's aggression and arrogance, and that's mainly why I like them. Two races with similar mindsets and similar military strength - Either race goes to war with the other and they both lose out. Just for that, Turians have a key purpose in Mass Effect. Knowing how human's operate, who would keep them in check were the Turians not there? Very much a cold war type of affair as someone in the thread mentioned. Garrus is certainly a big part of why I like Turians, but he was a window of what Turians are, what they are expected to be, their social structure, military doctrine and what is expected - even if Garrus himself 'isn't a very good Turian'in terms of just doing what is expected, he has a strong moral code to do right. If Garrus hadn't been the character he is, perhaps my view of Turians generally wouldn't be as positive. But so many of the Turian characters in the games left a good impression on me. To not have them in Andromeda would be a terrible shame. I always saw the turians as the aggressive and arrogant, humanity as recklessly curious and selfish. The military emphasis and requirement in turian society keeping such predatory aggressions in check. Turians were incredibly racist throughout the trilogy, and even sexually over aggressive like Oraka demanding Sha'ira take their relationship further against her will and the turian on Omega trying to force the asari/femShep to perform fellatio on him. Afterall, foundation comics say turians initially sought to conquer and occupy earth and enslave its citizens. That was how humanity was introduced to the galactic community, by trigger anxious turians intent to kill and ask questions later, conquer and enslave an unknown species that did not fire on them first. This is why cerberus and xenophobia starts in humanity. These are the exact kind of guys you need for a colonization mission. Them and Krogans. This is survival mission not a feed Andromeda primitives mission
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Post by straykat on Sept 12, 2016 15:20:27 GMT
In Hudson's words, those other races like Elcor weren't necessarily attempts at humor.. but to just be interesting/cool for being "there". Background/props. I think the Volus are interesting for other reasons though, because they've had Council ambitions for so long, but got screwed. The only problem is, you can't really imagine "Revenge of the Volus" without laughing your ass off... Ironically, a banker race (a dumb concept in itself, but moving on) not having a council seat is rather ridiculous, by all rights they should hold equal leverage in galactic politics to the Turians. Not just that, but they discovered the Citadel not long after the Asari. There's a good reason why that Volus ambassador is so rude...
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Post by bizantura on Sept 12, 2016 15:29:41 GMT
Turians mirror the cabal from earth.
Ask people if they could survive without "mother" state.
Not many, so theire's your answer why scumbags are a nesesary evil.
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Post by straykat on Sept 12, 2016 15:34:10 GMT
Turians mirror the cabal from earth. Ask people if they could survive without "mother" state. Not many, so theire's your answer why scumbags are a nesesary evil. Which is kind of funny, since Garrus says he's a bad Turian. The reason people like him is because he isn't very Turian at all.
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