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Post by patrickbateman on Jun 5, 2017 6:11:27 GMT
She have great survivability, great CQC and ridiculous damage output especially if you use Incendiary ammo, the N7 Fury for example can't really match the Warp/Incendiary glitch. It is a bit circumstantial of course, doing something like Platinum Geth on Condor with a Reegar/Valkyrie would probably not end to well. Bateman,pls,on Condor seldom something ends well. Btw,this is probably the only map on which cerberus is a harder enemy than geth,except 9 wave.It's always better to be persecuted by two atlases and one banshee than two primes campers and banshee. I always considered wave 2 to be the worst for Geth platinum on Condor, with 3 Primes keeping you stun locked, shooting you from across the map through the smallest gaps possible in the map, it's a nightmare
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Post by muahmuah on Jun 5, 2017 6:19:42 GMT
Bateman,pls,on Condor seldom something ends well. Btw,this is probably the only map on which cerberus is a harder enemy than geth,except 9 wave.It's always better to be persecuted by two atlases and one banshee than two primes campers and banshee. I always considered wave 2 to be the worst for Geth platinum on Condor, with 3 Primes keeping you stun locked, shooting you from across the map through the smallest gaps possible in the map, it's a nightmare I always use a missile vs geth/condor on 2 wave,or almost.The wave budget is small on 2 wave,but on 9 wave is very big and 2 campers,banshees,phantrolls and last but not least rocket troopers=nigtmare.I hate that wave.
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Post by patrickbateman on Jun 5, 2017 7:35:31 GMT
I always considered wave 2 to be the worst for Geth platinum on Condor, with 3 Primes keeping you stun locked, shooting you from across the map through the smallest gaps possible in the map, it's a nightmare I always use a missile vs geth/condor on 2 wave,or almost.The wave budget is small on 2 wave,but on 9 wave is very big and 2 campers,banshees,phantrolls and last but not least rocket troopers=nigtmare.I hate that wave. Yeah that one is a pain also, but I'd take it any day over Collectors wave 10 (that wave is just silly, especially if you get targets or devices).
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Post by muahmuah on Jun 5, 2017 8:32:14 GMT
I always use a missile vs geth/condor on 2 wave,or almost.The wave budget is small on 2 wave,but on 9 wave is very big and 2 campers,banshees,phantrolls and last but not least rocket troopers=nigtmare.I hate that wave. Yeah that one is a pain also, but I'd take it any day over Collectors wave 10 (that wave is just silly, especially if you get targets or devices). Yes,perhaps biovar,wanted to compensate for 3 wave.Collector's 3 is the easiest platinum objective wave.Still 6 bosses are way too much.
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Post by budhalen on Jun 12, 2017 20:35:00 GMT
I really wouldn't call her OP. She's great, sure, but OP? Really? Then again, I'm not the kind of player who is good enough to do platinum solos, so maybe it's just me. As discussed previously, but I'd like to reiterate... Depends greatly on if you're hosting or not. I rarely host, so no...I definitely do not find myself OP with the AVS. But then if I load with up the AVS or Fury when taking over the hosting role...that suddenly feels almost like cheating.
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Post by DoomsdayDevice on Jun 12, 2017 21:33:48 GMT
I really wouldn't call her OP. She's great, sure, but OP? Really? Then again, I'm not the kind of player who is good enough to do platinum solos, so maybe it's just me. As discussed previously, but I'd like to reiterate... Depends greatly on if you're hosting or not. I rarely host, so no...I definitely do not find myself OP with the AVS. But then if I load with up the AVS or Fury when taking over the hosting role...that suddenly feels almost like cheating. I guess it also helps if you actually have that Venom X, which I don't. What I'm saying is, sometimes I see seasoned players saying certain kits are overpowered, but they tend to forget they have all those amazing weapons at X and not to mention hundreds if not thousands of hours of playing experience. It really helps if you have all the best stuff and know the game inside out. When every clueless pug out there starts running an Asari Valkyrie with a Katana I without any armour piercing, and dominating lobbies with it too, I'll believe she's overpowered. =P IMO people are too quick to call things "OP" when they just mean "good", in the sense that it doesn't suck. OP is just a hip term.
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Post by DistigousForest on Jun 12, 2017 21:51:28 GMT
As discussed previously, but I'd like to reiterate... Depends greatly on if you're hosting or not. I rarely host, so no...I definitely do not find myself OP with the AVS. But then if I load with up the AVS or Fury when taking over the hosting role...that suddenly feels almost like cheating. I guess it also matters if you actually have that Venom X, which I don't. What I'm saying is, sometimes I see seasoned players saying certain kits are overpowered, but they tend to forget they have all those amazing weapons at X and not to mention hundreds if not thousands of hours of playing experience. It really helps if you have all the best stuff and know the game inside out. When every clueless pug out there starts running an Asari Valkyrie with a Katana I without any armour piercing, and dominating lobbies with it too I, I'll believe she's overpowered. =P Sometimes when people say "OP" they actually mean it's a good character. In the sense that it doesn't suck. It's not sub-par. People are too quick to call things overpowered when they just mean "good", IMO. Nah, she's definitely OP and you don't really need the Venom X to play her to her potential. I know a few people who could carry a lobby with a Katana X Valkyrie. My usual weapon for her is a Raider so there's more than just the Venom for her, but shotguns are best imo. Heavier weapons just mean less Warp spam, but you aren't really using her as a BE machine like the Fury. There's warp/incendiary cheese too, but warp/warp ammo is just as nasty. Also, there's more than just the Shotgunning AVS. The best player I've seen use her was ctc91 with a Cryo ammo Melee/Tech Armor build with just an Acolyte. This was most likely the build. As for on vs. off host, I don't notice a whole lot unless the host is Australian or Russian.
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Post by Clyde on Jun 13, 2017 14:56:14 GMT
I use her with the Talon most of the time, though I've seen the Wraith, Lancer, CSMG and a bunch of other weapons used on her to great effect.
Regarding the ctc91 build: nothing about that sounds OP but because he used it I bet he outscored the lobby. He's probably the best player I've ever seen on xbox.
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Post by DistigousForest on Jun 13, 2017 15:31:01 GMT
I use her with the Talon most of the time, though I've seen the Wraith, Lancer, CSMG and a bunch of other weapons used on her to great effect. Regarding the ctc91 build: nothing about that sounds OP but because he used it I bet he outscored the lobby. He's probably the best player I've ever seen on xbox. Oh yeah, he did. I remember bc I was Falcon GE and just couldn't keep up and that's a kit I can carry lobbies with easy. Only ever played two matches with him and they were some really quick ones, I'm talking like 15-18 minutes without spawn nuking, the other two people didn't have anything to kill I was actively trying to scorewhore and just couldn't keep up. There's only a few other people where that has happened with: you, ctc91, nat in the hat, and mcquotables.
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Post by muahmuah on Jun 13, 2017 16:32:54 GMT
I use her with the Talon most of the time, though I've seen the Wraith, Lancer, CSMG and a bunch of other weapons used on her to great effect. Regarding the ctc91 build: nothing about that sounds OP but because he used it I bet he outscored the lobby. He's probably the best player I've ever seen on xbox. Agreed,he was just like elite PC player.Never played(because you know PC mustard race ) with him,but his times in Themed Challenges were great.Only Knockingbr4in was like him,but i think he was is on PS3
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Post by DistigousForest on Jun 13, 2017 17:01:42 GMT
I use her with the Talon most of the time, though I've seen the Wraith, Lancer, CSMG and a bunch of other weapons used on her to great effect. Regarding the ctc91 build: nothing about that sounds OP but because he used it I bet he outscored the lobby. He's probably the best player I've ever seen on xbox. Agreed,he was just like elite PC player.Never played(because you know PC mustard race ) with him,but his times in Themed Challenges were great.Only Knockingbr4in was like him,but i think he was is on PS3 Yeah I've talked with Clyde about his times before and they are really good. I think the closest I came close to his times for N7 were 4.II and 6.II and they were still five minutes faster than mine. Even the ones he did on platinum had pretty good times.
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Post by HamleticTortoise on Jun 13, 2017 17:38:09 GMT
As discussed previously, but I'd like to reiterate... Depends greatly on if you're hosting or not. I rarely host, so no...I definitely do not find myself OP with the AVS. But then if I load with up the AVS or Fury when taking over the hosting role...that suddenly feels almost like cheating. I guess it also helps if you actually have that Venom X, which I don't. What I'm saying is, sometimes I see seasoned players saying certain kits are overpowered, but they tend to forget they have all those amazing weapons at X and not to mention hundreds if not thousands of hours of playing experience. It really helps if you have all the best stuff and know the game inside out. When every clueless pug out there starts running an Asari Valkyrie with a Katana I without any armour piercing, and dominating lobbies with it too, I'll believe she's overpowered. =P IMO people are too quick to call things "OP" when they just mean "good", in the sense that it doesn't suck. OP is just a hip term. I think by your definition, OP characters would be restricted to Infiltrators and the Jugg: one set has a power that sheds aggro immediately, increases damage, allows almost free movement around the map, and almost grants invincibility for tasks that require standing still (reviving, devices); the other kit eliminates the most dangerous aspect of the game (sync kills) while greatly reducing the danger of all other enemies. I would think those are the kits that allow a new player to ignore much of the game's difficulty and would therefore be OverPowered. Nothing wrong with that! However, I think around here the definition is more relaxed: once you have learned the ins and outs of the game (spawn points, wave budgets, best spots, best routes), "OP" characters (or combos) are those that let you consistently do better than your average performance. In this sense, I have to agree the Valkyrie is OP: she has great survivability, not only due to her DR from tech armour, but the barrier refill from AH, she has two debuffs, access to the very powerful biotic explosions, two panic buttons (AF and tech armour detonation) and one of the best dodges in the game. Once you get comfortable playing in close quarters, you will be hard pressed to find a better kit for wielding a shotgun. I personally play her with the Lancer, because it untethers me from ammo boxes, so I can dance with the enemies non-stop, and because the quick cooldowns mean I can mix my gameplay up between biotic explosions and debuff-enhanced gunplay. She might require a certain amount of game knowledge to make her shine, but she is well worth the time invested in her
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Post by DoomsdayDevice on Jun 13, 2017 17:38:42 GMT
I use her with the Talon most of the time Hehe, me too. I like my 'splosions too much to try heavier weapons. Though I will try the Venom at some point, once I've got it levelled up a few times and I've actually learned to shoot with the damn thing. xD
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Post by budhalen on Jun 13, 2017 17:40:34 GMT
I use her with the Talon most of the time Hehe, me too. I like my 'splosions too much to try heavier weapons. Though I will try the Venom at some point, once I've got it levelled up a few times and I've actually learned to shoot with it. xD She's also a great candidate to use a hip-firing Hurrdurricane. Can be a pain to ADS, but she rarely has far to aim.
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Post by DoomsdayDevice on Jun 13, 2017 17:43:41 GMT
Yeah, I'm pretty sure I've played her with the Hurricane. I've run pretty much everything with a Hurricane except Infiltrators, maybe.
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Post by budhalen on Jun 13, 2017 17:44:20 GMT
I guess it also matters if you actually have that Venom X, which I don't. What I'm saying is, sometimes I see seasoned players saying certain kits are overpowered, but they tend to forget they have all those amazing weapons at X and not to mention hundreds if not thousands of hours of playing experience. It really helps if you have all the best stuff and know the game inside out. When every clueless pug out there starts running an Asari Valkyrie with a Katana I without any armour piercing, and dominating lobbies with it too I, I'll believe she's overpowered. =P Sometimes when people say "OP" they actually mean it's a good character. In the sense that it doesn't suck. It's not sub-par. People are too quick to call things overpowered when they just mean "good", IMO. Nah, she's definitely OP and you don't really need the Venom X to play her to her potential. I know a few people who could carry a lobby with a Katana X Valkyrie. My usual weapon for her is a Raider so there's more than just the Venom for her, but shotguns are best imo. Heavier weapons just mean less Warp spam, but you aren't really using her as a BE machine like the Fury. There's warp/incendiary cheese too, but warp/warp ammo is just as nasty. Also, there's more than just the Shotgunning AVS. The best player I've seen use her was ctc91 with a Cryo ammo Melee/Tech Armor build with just an Acolyte. This was most likely the build. As for on vs. off host, I don't notice a whole lot unless the host is Australian or Russian. Well if you're pwning everything in sight with a Raider...I mean, c'mon...
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Post by DistigousForest on Jun 13, 2017 17:51:34 GMT
Yeah, I'm pretty sure I've played her with the Hurricane. I've run pretty much everything with a Hurricane except Infiltrators, maybe. They're stupidly powerful with a Hurricane
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Post by DistigousForest on Jun 13, 2017 18:02:09 GMT
Nah, she's definitely OP and you don't really need the Venom X to play her to her potential. I know a few people who could carry a lobby with a Katana X Valkyrie. My usual weapon for her is a Raider so there's more than just the Venom for her, but shotguns are best imo. Heavier weapons just mean less Warp spam, but you aren't really using her as a BE machine like the Fury. There's warp/incendiary cheese too, but warp/warp ammo is just as nasty. Also, there's more than just the Shotgunning AVS. The best player I've seen use her was ctc91 with a Cryo ammo Melee/Tech Armor build with just an Acolyte. This was most likely the build. As for on vs. off host, I don't notice a whole lot unless the host is Australian or Russian. Well if you're pwning everything in sight with a Raider...I mean, c'mon... Well, there is a certain finesse to using her with the Raider since you have to be in pissing distance for it to really be effective. But yes, she rips with the Raider. I was trying to go with a non UR example that wasn't the Claymore for her. I've also done well with the Evicerator or Disciple equipped on her too.
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Post by larsdt on Jun 13, 2017 19:00:59 GMT
I've now tried her with the different setups suggested in this thread and I must say that in CQC she is limited only by my scrub skills. The Raider being one of my favourite guns is just gravy on top .
Anyway, I don't know if you guys with maxed manifests remember; I was just wondering what the difference between a Venom I and X is...
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Post by patrickbateman on Jun 13, 2017 19:12:27 GMT
The difference between Venom I and X you say?
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Post by Clyde on Jun 13, 2017 19:32:14 GMT
Even though the damage per shot difference isn't so much, combining that with the weight difference means slower power use which means overall lower deeps. It holds way less ammo at I also (21 I think), where at X you're at I think 45 rounds?
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Post by mordokai on Jun 13, 2017 21:01:02 GMT
Poor mans slow ass Fury with no wall dodge Come at me bro! Does Fury has as awesome theme song as Valkyrie? Nuff said. Save
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Post by Voluptuous Volus on Jun 13, 2017 21:14:09 GMT
Poor mans slow ass Fury with no wall dodge Come at me bro! Does Fury has as awesome theme song as Valkyrie? Nuff said. SaveShe has a whole soundtrack
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Post by DoomsdayDevice on Jun 13, 2017 21:39:08 GMT
Well if you're pwning everything in sight with a Raider...I mean, c'mon... Well, there is a certain finesse to using her with the Raider since you have to be in pissing distance for it to really be effective. But yes, she rips with the Raider. I was trying to go with a non UR example that wasn't the Claymore for her. I've also done well with the Evicerator or Disciple equipped on her too. You know, it's crazy, but I really can't play with the Eviscerator. The weapon feedback for it on the xbox controller is reeeeeaaaaaally unpleasant to my hands. It's this sharp "pang"; it almost hurts. As for Infiltrators with SMGs... does that really work with the damage bonus? In my mind you need single shot weapons for an Infiltrator, unless you're playing the Turian Ghost of course. Or do you mean it's really good just because you have cloak and you can get in close? (And not because of the damage bonus) I have really never tried it.
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Post by DistigousForest on Jun 13, 2017 21:47:15 GMT
Well, there is a certain finesse to using her with the Raider since you have to be in pissing distance for it to really be effective. But yes, she rips with the Raider. I was trying to go with a non UR example that wasn't the Claymore for her. I've also done well with the Evicerator or Disciple equipped on her too. You know, it's crazy, but I really can't play with the Eviscerator. The weapon feedback for it on the xbox controller is reeeeeaaaaaally unpleasant to my hands. It's this sharp "pang"; it almost hurts.As for Infiltrators with SMGs... does that really work with the damage bonus? In my mind you need single shot weapons for an Infiltrator, unless you're playing the Turian Ghost of course. Or do you mean it's really good just because you have cloak and you can get in close? (And not because of the damage bonus) I have really never tried it. You're talking about the vibration for the Eviscerator? If so, I don't play with vibration so I have no idea what it feels like (heh). Yes it works very well with the damage bonus since you can get a lot of bullets in the cloak bonus window. With the Hurricane shit straight up melts just like using the Harrier, PPR, Piranha, or any high RoF weapon with cloak.
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