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Post by Deleted on Jun 6, 2017 18:34:38 GMT
I really liked him & the love story. Can you provide reasons why he is a good character? He literally did nothing in this game. I don't even remember hearing him in the final assault. Was he even a part of it? He adds an emotional dimension to finding the Turian ark. His belief that Macen can't be dead, or he would have known it is palpable and believable. As you walk through the ark, and you listen to those records with him, a sidequests becomes memorable, because you feel it. The fact that he overcomes personal tragedy and reverts to the Turian stiff upper lip as the game progresses is also well done. I love it that Ryder does not have to take over his duties and save him, just advise him. All and all, I wish we had more characters like that who showed well captured and conveyed emotions, and were strong without being 2D. That's why I liked him. I also loved the young Turian in ME3 who screws up his command so badly because he is too young, and he is a son of a General, but finds a backbone and dies heroically. I play games to see stories like these.
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Post by shechinah on Jun 6, 2017 19:31:01 GMT
Can you provide reasons why he is a good character? He literally did nothing in this game. I don't even remember hearing him in the final assault. Was he even a part of it? Yes he was. If a Pathfinder, he is in the cutscene where the other Pathfinders are taking out the Kett ships as they watch your back as you head inside. He is in a Trident fighter and shoots down multiple ships. Which looked awesome.
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Post by Croatsky on Jun 6, 2017 19:34:07 GMT
S A R E N W A S A B A D A S S Saren was lame and uninspiring villain.
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Post by MarilynRobert on Jun 6, 2017 19:40:23 GMT
Can you provide reasons why he is a good character? He literally did nothing in this game. I don't even remember hearing him in the final assault. Was he even a part of it? Yes he was. If a Pathfinder, he is in the cutscene where the other Pathfinders are taking out the Kett ships as they watch your back as you head inside. He is in a Trident fighter and shoots down multiple ships. I've always made Avitus a Pathfinder and I think he does a great job with what is shown of him. He's beaten down by his life as a Spectre (and his mentor going off the deep end) and lost his mate and the person he came out here for. When Ryder convinces him to be a Pathfinder, he steps up and does the job well and really gets into it. He was in my cutscene, during the final battle. Now, if you let him become a sad, alcoholic, I bet he does seem extremely whiny and not useful but I've never gone that path.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 6, 2017 20:30:23 GMT
S A R E N W A S A B A D A S S Saren was lame and uninspiring villain. Saren takes down whole refineries full of criminal scumbags without breaking a sweat or shedding a tear. Hell, TIM's got more testosterone in his body than Avitus Rickroll. The man lost his girl and best mate in the same day while being trapped in an indoctrinated turian torture camp AND seeing visions of the reaper invasion yet still has his wits and still doesn't mope around about Eva Core. How about Thane "BMF Milky Way" Krios? Estranged from son, wife got assassinated and he's still snapping krogan necks and damping asari biotics with 5 finger death punches like it's the contra code. Avitus = biyatch
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Post by Croatsky on Jun 6, 2017 20:38:49 GMT
Saren was lame and uninspiring villain. Saren takes down whole refineries full of criminal scumbags without breaking a sweat or shedding a tear. Hell, TIM's got more testosterone in his body than Avitus Rickroll. The man lost his girl and best mate in the same day while being trapped in an indoctrinated turian torture camp AND seeing visions of the reaper invasion yet still has his wits and still doesn't mope around about Eva Core. How about Thane "BMF Milky Way" Krios? Estranged from son, wife got assassinated and he's still snapping krogan necks and damping asari biotics with 5 finger death punches like it's the contra code. Avitus = biyatch As I said, uninspired. He's just a Mary Sue, only a villain.
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Post by duskwanderer on Jun 6, 2017 21:41:52 GMT
No. But I also wouldn't whine about it to random strangers, nor would I let it affect my job. 1. He just found out when he did that. It was a gut reaction. Sorry but the moment you here your loved one is dead your going.to over flow with emotion. You are not going to hold it in. 2. Also, not effect his job? He is not the path finder yet. His job was to help the path finder not be it. And once he does become it h wen does not let it effect his duty. His job is to succeed the Pathfinder, and (particularly since he is a Spectre) he knows that danger and death comes with the territory. He is supposed to succeed Macen should anything happened. Hayjer and Vederia accepted their roles with no hesitation. It is not the job of the human Pathfinder to baby the turian one. Grieve on your own time. There are over 10,000 turians who NEED their Pathfinder.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 6, 2017 21:44:39 GMT
I'll take my Max Zoo over a "turian" whelp. Garrus lost 12 bros and still went on to spread fear in the hearts of mercs while trolling their leadership. Those chumps were ragequitting 1v1 opportunities to jump my man Vakarian. But like a TRUE TURIAN™ stuck it out and got over it within a year. Maybe Avitus should take a seat next to the other turian loser Nyreen Kandros. Good thing her cousin's such a badass.
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Post by alihou on Jun 6, 2017 22:04:03 GMT
I'll take my Max Zoo over a "turian" whelp. Garrus lost 12 bros and still went on to spread fear in the hearts of mercs while trolling their leadership. Those chumps were ragequitting 1v1 opportunities to jump my man Vakarian. But like a TRUE TURIAN™ stuck it out and got over it within a year. Maybe Avitus should take a seat next to the other turian loser Nyreen Kandros. Good thing her cousin's such a badass. And Rix is a spectre who's on paper supposed to be better and more bad ass than Garrus. We don't see any of that. Garrus didn't have the accolades but proved how much of a boss he is. Don't slap on the spectre title on characters, if they are not going to show us.
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Post by dreman999 on Jun 6, 2017 22:30:30 GMT
1. He just found out when he did that. It was a gut reaction. Sorry but the moment you here your loved one is dead your going.to over flow with emotion. You are not going to hold it in. 2. Also, not effect his job? He is not the path finder yet. His job was to help the path finder not be it. And once he does become it h wen does not let it effect his duty. His job is to succeed the Pathfinder, and (particularly since he is a Spectre) he knows that danger and death comes with the territory. He is supposed to succeed Macen should anything happened. Hayjer and Vederia accepted their roles with no hesitation. It is not the job of the human Pathfinder to baby the turian one. Grieve on your own time. There are over 10,000 turians who NEED their Pathfinder. Sorry but no. Being a pathfinder is a choice. (Unlike with ryder.) Nothing says he has to be the pathfinder. His job was to help the pathfinder not replace him. He gets to choose and he is not a robot. He just found out his mate died. The closest person ever to him die. He get to greave like every other person. Hell even masterchief greaved. Even Kratos greave....for years and destroyed most of ancient Greece doing it.
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Post by duskwanderer on Jun 6, 2017 22:41:30 GMT
His job is to succeed the Pathfinder, and (particularly since he is a Spectre) he knows that danger and death comes with the territory. He is supposed to succeed Macen should anything happened. Hayjer and Vederia accepted their roles with no hesitation. It is not the job of the human Pathfinder to baby the turian one. Grieve on your own time. There are over 10,000 turians who NEED their Pathfinder. Sorry but no. Being a pathfinder is a choice. (Unlike with ryder.) Nothing says he has to be the pathfinder. His job was to help the pathfinder not replace him. He gets to choose and he is not a robot. He just found out his mate died. The closest person ever to him die. He get to greave like every other person. Hell even masterchief greaved. Even Kratos greave....for years and destroyed most of ancient Greece doing it. Except no. Avitus is the Pathfinder's successor. Not his assistant, not his attache. His successor. That is what it means to succeed someone. I never said he cannot grieve. But there are 10,000 turians who need help. There is a job to be done.
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Post by dreman999 on Jun 6, 2017 22:43:16 GMT
Sorry but no. Being a pathfinder is a choice. (Unlike with ryder.) Nothing says he has to be the pathfinder. His job was to help the pathfinder not replace him. He gets to choose and he is not a robot. He just found out his mate died. The closest person ever to him die. He get to greave like every other person. Hell even masterchief greaved. Even Kratos greave....for years and destroyed most of ancient Greece doing it. Except no. Avitus is the Pathfinder's successor. Not his assistant, not his attache. His successor. That is what it means to succeed someone. I never said he cannot grieve. But there are 10,000 turians who need help. There is a job to be done. 1. He was not stated to be until he found the ark. 2. It's still a choice. 3.and his job was to protect the pathfinder...his words.
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Post by duskwanderer on Jun 6, 2017 22:52:59 GMT
Except no. Avitus is the Pathfinder's successor. Not his assistant, not his attache. His successor. That is what it means to succeed someone. I never said he cannot grieve. But there are 10,000 turians who need help. There is a job to be done. 1. He was not stated to be until he found the ark. 2. It's still a choice. 3.and his job was to protect the pathfinder...his words. That seems to be the actual choice: Protect the Pathfinder. He mentioned several times that he was to succeed Macen (he just thought Macen was still alive because SAM would have transferred if Macen died) He did make a choice: He chose to be Macen's successor. I think you're just unwilling to admit the guy is a wuss.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 6, 2017 22:59:00 GMT
I'll take my Max Zoo over a limpwristed "turian" whelp. Garrus lost 12 bros and still went on to spread fear in the hearts of mercs while trolling their leadership. Those chumps were ragequitting 1v1 opportunities to jump my man Vakarian. But like a TRUE TURIAN™ stuck it out and got over it within a year. Maybe Avitus should take a seat next to the other turian loser Nyreen Kandros. Good thing her cousin's such a badass. And Rix is a spectre who's on paper supposed to be better and more bad ass than Garrus. We don't see any of that. Garrus didn't have the accolades but proved how much of a boss he is. Don't slap on the spectre title on characters, if they are not going to show us. Like this disgrace:
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Post by dreman999 on Jun 6, 2017 23:02:52 GMT
1. He was not stated to be until he found the ark. 2. It's still a choice. 3.and his job was to protect the pathfinder...his words. That seems to be the actual choice: Protect the Pathfinder. He mentioned several times that he was to succeed Macen (he just thought Macen was still alive because SAM would have transferred if Macen died) He did make a choice: He chose to be Macen's successor. I think you're just unwilling to admit the guy is a wuss. he never says that. Nor is that stated.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 6, 2017 23:06:00 GMT
Well, Avitus made a bigger impression on me in an episodic role than Garrus did in 3 games in a row. I've liked Saren and those two Turuans (father and son). I like them all being different. I am not big on everyone being a carbon copy, or manly man. I had more problems with Jack weeping mascara over Hepard's shoulder than Avitus needing a "Hey! Do it!" from Ryder. That Turian on Tuchanka did too, and was not any less of a man for it.
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Post by duskwanderer on Jun 7, 2017 0:06:40 GMT
That seems to be the actual choice: Protect the Pathfinder. He mentioned several times that he was to succeed Macen (he just thought Macen was still alive because SAM would have transferred if Macen died) He did make a choice: He chose to be Macen's successor. I think you're just unwilling to admit the guy is a wuss. he never says that. Nor is that stated. He mentions it on Havarl, when you meet him for the first time. He mentions he is Macen's successor, and that he has to be alive because SAM would have transferred if Macen died.
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Post by laxian on Jun 10, 2017 19:04:44 GMT
Or, you know, he served as a Spectre for 15 years and was suffering from PTSD and want to get out of it before he completely breaks like Saren did. Also no, Spectres have no authority in Andromeda Imitative. No Citadel Council is there, as AI is the government entity and they have the Pathfinders who take the similar role. You would say that Saren broke? You would probably also say that Tela Vasir broke, right? While I would say: Both of them do exactly what SPECTREs are supposed to do (in Saren's case at least until he found Sovereign and was taken over (indoctrinated!)), sure Saren didn't like humanity, but he was an effective agent (a cold blooded killer, sure - but that's what the council wants! They want those agents to act as a sort of Section 31 (note: For those who don't like Star Trek, Section 31 is a a partially rogue black ops division working for the Federation (kind of like Cerberus, just without only being for one species!)) who will do the dirty jobs that the council can't be seen doing (and/or don't even want to admit that they ordered them and they want them to keep the peace when they aren't on a specific assignment (thus you have the authority to say simply kill a mob-boss, someone the police/C-Sec could never touch!))) As for Avitus: I respect that he got out before he became someone he didn't recognize anymore (many people don't have that kind of courage!), but I agree with the OP that the character was a wasted opportunity (I'd have loved to have him on my team instead of Vetra, hell I'd have loved to take the other Pathfinders with me from Reka to Sarissa (who I kept on as pathfinder, it's bad enough that the human pathfinder is a rookie! Pathfinders are like SPECTREs, they aren't born, they are forged IMHO (I mean Alec Ryder was a mix of adventurer, scientist and hardenend soldier (N7!)) and thus can't be replaced by just anybody, especially if you are down to the first-in-line replacements already!)) Also his being gay felt tacked on (We've had better gay characters from Bioware! Like Dorian from Dragon Age: Inquisition (who I would have liked as a damned straight character, but at least his sexuallity didn't feel like something they decided on after drawing up the character!)) greetings LAX
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Post by laxian on Jun 10, 2017 19:16:14 GMT
Hmm. You know, an average human being can only take eighty days or thereabouts of full, non stop combat deployment. Then they just have enough and their performance decreases. He's been doing bullshit for the past fifteen years and stuck on Havarl for God knows how long. He simply has enough, let him cool down. His idea of "cooling down" is becoming a useless drunk on freaking Kadara (not a planet I'd plan a freaking vacation on!)... So nope, been there done that - next time I am kicking his ass ("Keep it together Avitus!") greetings LAX ps: Being a SPECTRE isn't non-stop combat deployment (!), hell most SPECTREs probably only fight when they have to (doesn't mean they aren't good at it, but why kill people if you can threaten them into compliance?) or when their assignment demands it (or to protect their own life of course!)!
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Post by laxian on Jun 10, 2017 19:21:05 GMT
Can you provide reasons why he is a good character? He literally did nothing in this game. I don't even remember hearing him in the final assault. Was he even a part of it? He adds an emotional dimension to finding the Turian ark. His belief that Macen can't be dead, or he would have known it is palpable and believable. As you walk through the ark, and you listen to those records with him, a sidequests becomes memorable, because you feel it. The fact that he overcomes personal tragedy and reverts to the Turian stiff upper lip as the game progresses is also well done. I love it that Ryder does not have to take over his duties and save him, just advise him. All and all, I wish we had more characters like that who showed well captured and conveyed emotions, and were strong without being 2D. That's why I liked him. I also loved the young Turian in ME3 who screws up his command so badly because he is too young, and he is a son of a General, but finds a backbone and dies heroically. I play games to see stories like these. He didn't screw up - he tried not going for a frontal assault (something his father, who is a high ranking but unconventional Turian, taught him!) and it bit him in the ass (his troops complain because they kind of wanted the frontal assault, despite that probably causing even more casualties...but it's the Turian way, kind of like Klingons who will fight even when they don't have a snowball's chance in hell to succeed (and might be able to if they do it the "dishonorable" - sneaky! - way!)) greetings LAX
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Post by Psy on Jun 11, 2017 1:51:26 GMT
"Macen...he's...more than the Pathfinder to me"
That line got to me. I think Avitus and the Macen subplot had a lot more potential in dialogue than we got, but he is by no means a terrible spectre or character. He was lost without Macen, and that showed the sensitive side to the spectre that I wanted to see.
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Post by steppinrazor on Jun 13, 2017 7:35:15 GMT
I've seriously always wanted a gay Turian. Preferably one I could romance, but he was cool though.
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Post by ArabianIGoggles on Jun 13, 2017 11:21:44 GMT
Maybe it's for the best that they didn't try to make Rix look like a badass. I mean, just look at that krogan slapping match.
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Post by Gileadan on Jun 14, 2017 12:59:22 GMT
Avitus Rix has the same problem as several other "aliens" in ME:A - he basically acts like a human. He is a human in all but appearance.
Remember how Mordin told you in ME2 that he dealt with his grief on the way back to the shuttle and was now over it? Here was the opportunity to show how Turians deal with heartbreak, but instead we got a human with mandibles. Yay. I already know how heartbroken humans act.
Also, why would Turians, the supposedly most militaristic race in the Milky Way, develop PTSD in about the same time as humans would?
Unless, of course, you want Mass Effect's aliens to be nothing more than humans with a different paint job.
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Post by aoibhealfae on Jun 15, 2017 4:43:52 GMT
Why do you think Garrus was a popular romance ? He acted like a dorky human boyfriend to her.
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