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Post by Iddy on Jul 6, 2017 16:05:38 GMT
I've seen someone say they hope Tevinter will be completely non-apologetic and I support that sentiment. It would be rather immersion breaking if people in Tevinter bothered trying to justify what is just natural to them.
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Post by tacsear on Jul 6, 2017 19:27:29 GMT
Btw I don't want the characters built around romances like in mea. I have never thought I would say that about a Bioware game but; please develop the character before writing their romance
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Post by shechinah on Jul 6, 2017 20:10:35 GMT
Btw I don't want the characters built around romances like in mea. I have never thought I would say that about a Bioware game but; please develop the character before writing their romance To be honest, I was not given the impression that the respective romances had been written before the respective characters although I can see why as I felt there was a disconnect between how, at least, *one character behaved when romanced versus how said character behaved outside of the romance. I'll note that I know people can and do behave differently towards their romantic partner than they do in other aspects of their life but I felt the character became too... saccharine during the romance portion to such a degree that it didn't feel like it matched with the personality the character had shown before. I did have criticisms about the characters but the mistakes I saw, I felt were more due to writing inexperience than romance-before-character. I could be wrong, though. I haven't checked the experience of the people who were on the writing staff. Thankfully, I haven't encountered either of those problems in Dragon Age and I don't expect to. Still, it's good to bring it up. Note: *It's Jaal for those curious.
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Post by tacsear on Jul 6, 2017 20:31:49 GMT
Btw I don't want the characters built around romances like in mea. I have never thought I would say that about a Bioware game but; please develop the character before writing their romance To be honest, I was not given the impression that the respective romances had been written before the respective characters although I can see why as I felt there was a disconnect between how, at least, one character behaved when romanced versus how said character behaved outside of the romance. I'll note that I know people can and do behave differently towards their romantic partner than they do in other aspects of their life but I felt the character became too... saccharine during the romance portion to such a degree that it didn't feel like it matched with the personality the character had shown before. I did have criticisms about the characters but the mistakes I saw, I felt were more due to writing inexperience than romance-before-character. I could be wrong, though. I haven't checked the experience of the people who were on the writing staff. Thankfully, I haven't encountered either of those problems in Dragon Age and I don't expect to. Still, it's good to bring it up. I think it might have something to do with how mea was advertised. Everybody was using that one hashtag about banging. That seems to have gotten in the way of everything else. I mean the characters written by Sheryl Chee are generally great but even her work with Suvi seems sloppy. So I don't know I just felt the need to express my fear about characters in future Bioware games ( which still sounds ridicilous as fuck)
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Post by gervaise21 on Jul 6, 2017 20:45:52 GMT
First: Okay, the reason I have a problem with this is the timescale of Inquisition. Clearly there wasn't a great urgency, otherwise whatever it is that Solas wished to prevent would already have happened, because years have passed since he woke up. If there was that big a problem on the horizon, why not get our help? As it is, from all the information he has given us (and I will acknowledge that he admits there is stuff he hasn't told us) the only thing that brought our world, or the elves (ancient or modern) under threat was giving Corypheus the orb. He also admits that he doesn't give a toss about our world because he is quite prepared to sacrifice to restore the "world of the elves". So it is his plan that seems to be under threat, not the world itself. Some clue as to the need for a degree of urgency might be provided by the fact that the Crossroads seems to be breaking down. Depending on your class and race, some Inquisitors can sense this. May be that is an indication that it is coming to the end of its life and may be without it, restoring the world of the elves would be impossible. Still the same argument holds good that I started this point with. In ancient elf terms the Crossroads may be under threat but in modern timescales it clearly isn't as it was still functioning okay in Trespasser. So he did not need to give his orb to Corypheus when he did and could have been a bit more careful about his background checks before he did.
Second: Which brings me on to your next point. Why did he wake up when he did? If he wasn't waiting for the moment that his orb was sufficiently re-charged, regardless of his own strength, what was the cosmic alarm clock that caused him to awake when he did? Felassan was active for twenty years before Solas awoke, on a mission specific to Solas' plan, so there has to be something that caused things to kick off when they did. Either the timescale was set before he went to sleep or there had to be some specific marker that indicated it was time to wake up. To me it seemed that the orb showing "fully charged" was as good an indication as any. As you point out, he actually says that the orb built up power while he was asleep. The orb was probably drained as well by the creating of the Veil and that is why he couldn't simply reverse the process at the time. Now it would seem that with no Veil tears to heal, the orb continued to build up power. I'll grant you that could be a good enough reason for urgency in finding some way to unlock it.
As for the comment about the Flemeth's remark to Solas, just because the person who makes it isn't infallible doesn't make the statement itself invalid. I think personally that "you should not have given your orb to Corypheus" is both blatantly obvious and an understatement. The fact that Flemeth is the one who says it is irrelevant. However, instead of giving a sarcastic response to this rather patronising statement, Solas clearly apologises for his action, so he clearly doesn't think the fact that Mythal got herself murdered is reason enough to disregard her statement. We still don't know how she was murdered or by whom specifically. Since Solas clearly seems to have been some sort of guardian/protector, possible even an arcane warrior to Mythal, he may even feel he is somewhat culpable for her death. Hence him accepting her reprimand.
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Post by Fen'Harel Faceman on Jul 6, 2017 21:29:13 GMT
So considering the bold hints now for DA(4) ... anyone want to prognosticate when the announcement they're working on it will be? I think it's definitely going to be sooner than the Anthem release.
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Post by tacsear on Jul 6, 2017 21:58:40 GMT
So considering the bold hints now for DA(4) ... anyone want to prognosticate when the announcement they're working on it will be? I think it's definitely going to be sooner than the Anthem release. I kinda want them to announce it as late as possible. Like Here is a new DA, and surprise it's coming 4 months later
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Post by Lazarillo on Jul 6, 2017 22:08:31 GMT
So considering the bold hints now for DA(4) ... anyone want to prognosticate when the announcement they're working on it will be? I think it's definitely going to be sooner than the Anthem release. I still think DA4 is more than a couple years away, so I wouldn't be surprised if they wait until post-Anthem anyway, just because that'd still be well in advance of any actual content they could use in marketing. That said, I'd like it Bioware proved their ability to juggle multiple IPs at a time by rolling out a new DA game within a similar window what we have with Anthem. If they're capable of doing it, it might actually be to their benefit...I feel like right now, they really need something that speaks to their strength in production, and not holding back one game while working on another does at least demonstrate a position of strength.
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Post by midnight tea on Jul 6, 2017 22:21:56 GMT
First: Okay, the reason I have a problem with this is the timescale of Inquisition. Clearly there wasn't a great urgency, otherwise whatever it is that Solas wished to prevent would already have happened, because years have passed since he woke up. If there was that big a problem on the horizon, why not get our help? I think you may approach the concept for timescale on a very black-and-white basis. It'd seem to think everything will have to happen in very short period of time, otherwise "there's time for everything". ... That's not necessarily how it works. And I'm fairly sure that's not how it works for an ancient being for whom a few years is a blink of an eye and who likely has an elaaaaaaaborate plan to implement. Don't forget that both his attempt to gain control over eluvians AND him leading Venatori agents to his orb happened YEARS before he even woke up. So we're talking something that is supposed to happen in span of years, not just a year or two, and that it likely requires years of meticulous preparations (which, btw, were thrown into chaos after the Conclave). Also - you seem to assume that Solas thinks that anybody (but him) can do anything about the potential upcoming problem on the horizon. That doesn't seem to be the case. ... And the Blight isn't the problem? You know... the one thing Solas seems to be truly terrified of? And why then he'd be telling Blackwall that Grey Wardens, faults or not, have managed to buy them some time, himself included? Saving Inquisitor and asking them to prove him wrong tells something different. And that's aside from the fact that we don't even know what he means through destruction, OR that it MAY happen rather than it 100% will. I don't think I follow you. What does the decay of Crossroads has to do with Solas being too weak to open his Orb, and what do Crossroads have to do with background checks on Corypheus??? Also - you're ignoring one crucial fact: we don't really know the state of decay of each individual Crossroads and the section in Trespasser is different than the one in, say, Inquisition. We also know from Masked Empire that Crossroads seem to be revitalized in presence of elves, and we don't even know how well the activation of eluvian network AND Solas newfound powers have affected them. Thing is, Solas didn't have access to eluvians or was as powerful until the end of Inquisition. None of those options was available to him at a time he's decided to lead Venatori/Cory to the orb. There could be tons of reasons to wake up earlier, which may include Felassan's betrayal, among other things. It's not a small thing to have his trusted agent disobey him and jeopardize his mission. And seeing how mistrustful Solas is, perhaps it prompted him to awaken and do things himself. We don't know. Perhaps he had an alarm clock set on this particular year, but expected to restore more of his powers, yet couldn't have predicted, say, the Blight being released and its devastating effect on the world. Maybe the Blight sped things up. I also assume that there's a specific reason why dragons have returned or Architect and Cory have awakened not that long ago. Or why Flemythal/OGB speak of the coming of a new age. All we know that he woke up still weak, as if he was on tight schedule, and - considering his decision to hand foci to Cory - found no other solution to get his Orb unlocked. I wasn't invalidating her statement - I only pointed out that both of them have faced severe obstacles in their lives, many of which led to failures. I mean, have you considered this is perhaps why Mythal's comment is understated? She, probably best of all, knows very well that sometimes how things go is not a matter of carelessness or lack of planning. Even Inquisitor know something about it, given that even the best of them have their organization infiltrated and growing beyond their control.
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Post by midnight tea on Jul 6, 2017 22:23:24 GMT
So considering the bold hints now for DA(4) ... anyone want to prognosticate when the announcement they're working on it will be? I think it's definitely going to be sooner than the Anthem release. I kinda want them to announce it as late as possible. Like Here is a new DA, and surprise it's coming 4 months later Uh, I can't decide which is better - on one hand the late announcement would mean that I would likely not eat my keyboard out of sheer impatience. ... On the other hand I'm impatient now either way T_T
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Post by Fen'Harel Faceman on Jul 6, 2017 22:32:17 GMT
I kinda want them to announce it as late as possible. Like Here is a new DA, and surprise it's coming 4 months later Uh, I can't decide which is better - on one hand the late announcement would mean that I would likely not eat my keyboard out of sheer impatience. ... On the other hand I'm impatient now either way T_T I have no problem with "the sooner the better".
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Post by DragonKingReborn on Jul 6, 2017 22:33:53 GMT
Uh, I can't decide which is better - on one hand the late announcement would mean that I would likely not eat my keyboard out of sheer impatience. ... On the other hand I'm impatient now either way T_T I have no problem with "the sooner the better". Yeah - to the point of "Anthem was a practical joke that got out of hand. Here's DA4!" "You're welcome."
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Post by cmoe on Jul 7, 2017 0:21:27 GMT
So considering the bold hints now for DA(4) ... anyone want to prognosticate when the announcement they're working on it will be? I think it's definitely going to be sooner than the Anthem release. I kinda want them to announce it as late as possible. Like Here is a new DA, and surprise it's coming 4 months later I feel the same. The DA area is fairly peaceful right now!
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Post by ladyiolanthe on Jul 7, 2017 0:55:09 GMT
Btw I don't want the characters built around romances like in mea. I have never thought I would say that about a Bioware game but; please develop the character before writing their romance To be honest, I was not given the impression that the respective romances had been written before the respective characters although I can see why as I felt there was a disconnect between how, at least, *one character behaved when romanced versus how said character behaved outside of the romance. I'll note that I know people can and do behave differently towards their romantic partner than they do in other aspects of their life but I felt the character became too... saccharine during the romance portion to such a degree that it didn't feel like it matched with the personality the character had shown before. I did have criticisms about the characters but the mistakes I saw, I felt were more due to writing inexperience than romance-before-character. I could be wrong, though. I haven't checked the experience of the people who were on the writing staff. Thankfully, I haven't encountered either of those problems in Dragon Age and I don't expect to. Still, it's good to bring it up. Note: *It's Jaal for those curious. To be honest, I was not given the impression that the respective romances had been written before the respective characters although I can see why as I felt there was a disconnect between how, at least, one character behaved when romanced versus how said character behaved outside of the romance. I'll note that I know people can and do behave differently towards their romantic partner than they do in other aspects of their life but I felt the character became too... saccharine during the romance portion to such a degree that it didn't feel like it matched with the personality the character had shown before. I did have criticisms about the characters but the mistakes I saw, I felt were more due to writing inexperience than romance-before-character. I could be wrong, though. I haven't checked the experience of the people who were on the writing staff. Thankfully, I haven't encountered either of those problems in Dragon Age and I don't expect to. Still, it's good to bring it up. I think it might have something to do with how mea was advertised. Everybody was using that one hashtag about banging. That seems to have gotten in the way of everything else. I mean the characters written by Sheryl Chee are generally great but even her work with Suvi seems sloppy. So I don't know I just felt the need to express my fear about characters in future Bioware games ( which still sounds ridicilous as fuck) Slightly OT, but according to this article published last month, the MEA writing team was really, really crunched for time. Since Patrick Weekes, at least, has been working steadily since Trespasser was released, I think DA4 might not suffer the same fate.
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Post by wickedcool on Jul 7, 2017 12:40:33 GMT
Based on andromeda should we be more hopeful on hair and beards?
Any chance that solas is a red herring and is the anti-villain who becomes "the enemy of my enemy". The big bad is hinted in deep roads dlc?
Did solas dislike of wardens take place prior to the events in inquisition . Does he view the blight as a bad thing however is opposed to the solution?
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Post by tacsear on Jul 7, 2017 12:50:49 GMT
Based on andromeda should we be more hopeful on hair and beards? Any chance that solas is a red herring and is the anti-villain who becomes "the enemy of my enemy". The big bad is hinted in deep roads dlc? Did solas dislike of wardens take place prior to the events in inquisition . Does he view the blight as a bad thing however is opposed to the solution? I hope they rework the beards again I think Solas dislikes the Wardens because his plans about the Veil have something to do with the old gods and Wardens kill them
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Post by ladyiolanthe on Jul 7, 2017 14:03:23 GMT
Based on andromeda should we be more hopeful on hair and beards? Any chance that solas is a red herring and is the anti-villain who becomes "the enemy of my enemy". The big bad is hinted in deep roads dlc? Did solas dislike of wardens take place prior to the events in inquisition . Does he view the blight as a bad thing however is opposed to the solution? Or the solution the wardens think they've figured out is really not a solution at all.
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Post by Heimdall on Jul 7, 2017 14:42:45 GMT
So considering the bold hints now for DA(4) ... anyone want to prognosticate when the announcement they're working on it will be? I think it's definitely going to be sooner than the Anthem release. The earliest I would expect it would be next E3, but they may decide to put it off in favor of focusing marketing exclusively on Anthem (Or not, I don't think Dragon Age and Anthem overlap overly much in terms of audience, at least not as much as Mass Effect and Anthem) Assuming a 2019 release date, we could also see a reveal in late 2018. I would be surprised if we went through all of 2018 without a reveal though.
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Post by midnight tea on Jul 7, 2017 14:46:06 GMT
Based on andromeda should we be more hopeful on hair and beards? Any chance that solas is a red herring and is the anti-villain who becomes "the enemy of my enemy". The big bad is hinted in deep roads dlc? You mean the Titans? Somehow I don't think they're villains per se. The Blight though... As for Solas being red herring... eh, he could be a villain, only to join us when he's proven wrong, or he can intentionally frame himself as a villain to make main character do something, or he can be more of an anti-hero who turns into villain after things go awry or he sees no other choice. Really hard to say. It seems so. He's not fond of Wardens from the start and his dislike stems from them toying with powers they don't understand and not just events in Inquisition (he's not openly mocking Blackwall, but you can hear skepticism pouring from him when he asks Blackwall about Warden'y stuff). According to Solas, there's no toying with the Blight, ever - for whatever reason, he thinks no good can stem from the Blight, even if he grudgingly admits to Varric that Wardens bought them all some time. And before he points out that he gave his Orb to Corypheus - there's enough indication to suggest that until attack on Haven he didn't know that the mysterious leader of the Venatori is more than just yet anther arrogant, supremacist Vint. That, or he either won't be able to open the orb, or will get himself promptly blasted.
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Post by tacsear on Jul 7, 2017 17:00:21 GMT
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Post by wickedcool on Jul 7, 2017 19:31:52 GMT
IF (and that's a big if) it takes place in tevinter are there travel restrictions for outsiders meaning chances would be minimal for running into many previous companions?
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Post by midnight tea on Jul 7, 2017 20:54:01 GMT
IF (and that's a big if) it takes place in tevinter are there travel restrictions for outsiders meaning chances would be minimal for running into many previous companions? Depends? Even with travel restrictions in place, it's not like standards of border-crossing or identification are as high or effective as they are in our modern times, and that's aside from Tevinter being in something of a state of decay and disarray, especially with Qunari invasion looming on the horizon. Plus, even with Inquisition absorbed by Chantry or disbanded, they should have enough funds or connections to get their people where they want - if not officially, then smuggle them through. Josie has her family's ships, Varric likely still has connections with the Carta (and Merchants' Guild) and Leliana has her spies. Then there are eluvians - their network seems to be active across all Thedas, Tevinter included. I find it unlikely we won't be doing a lot of eluvian-hopping in the next game, perhaps similar to how it was in Trespasser. It also happens that during Trespasser Dorian can make a comment about possibility of building his own eluvians. I'd say that it's likely that this wasn't just a random comment and we may indeed see Dorian creating his own mirrors in DA4. If not, they can always try activating some they've found, or borrow one from Morrigan (the eluvian she brought to Skyhold appears to still be there after she leaves). So basically, if eluvian network will see enough use, I don't think we have to worry about travel restrictions, or about traveling vast distances way beyond Tevinter or maybe even known Thedas.
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Post by arvaarad on Jul 8, 2017 1:18:06 GMT
I really want to see the Mad Hermit again I think that I shall never see A Hermit lovely as a tree Hermits are human fools like me But only spirits wake a tree
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Post by Prince on Jul 8, 2017 1:25:02 GMT
I really want to see the Mad Hermit again He is from Tevinter for what I remember but BioWare made it kill able so probably they will not bother.
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Post by Fen'Harel Faceman on Jul 8, 2017 1:31:56 GMT
I really want to see the Mad Hermit again He is from Tevinter for what I remember but BioWare made it kill able so probably they will not bother. Yeah, I was going to say he never survives any of my playthroughs...
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