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Post by phoray on Sept 4, 2017 19:40:33 GMT
If she didn't need one, in a Veil present world, she wouldn't have bothered over the millenia to possess them. I didn't say that she never needed one. She apparently needed one till events of Inquisition - but we don't know if she needs it now or whatever phase of her plans the world is entering. Besides - she didn't seem to posses anyone when Merril summoned her on Sundermount. So in reality we have no idea what kind of tricks she still has hidden in her sleeve. She's kinda a weird V.o.l.d.e.m.o.r.t -- creature spirit. Her representation of a body could have just been more magic. SofaJockey I don't find it funny that the word v.o.l.d.e.m.o.r.t. keeps being changed into the acronym for He who must not be named.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Sept 4, 2017 19:46:38 GMT
I woulden't be surprised if that thing we see her sending into the Eluvian before talking to Solas is a part of her, similar to the medallion she gives Hawke. If so, we could see her as Flemeth still. This also goes with Urthemiel's soul if she took that in DAI.
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Post by OhDaniGirl on Sept 4, 2017 19:47:15 GMT
I think Drinking from the Well just makes you bound. *Imagines Solas finally agreeing not to drown the world in chaos* *Imagines new Mythal pops up and orders his death anyway* *imagines choice: Kill yourself to stop the compulsion to murder Solas or give into the compulsion after deciding you value your own life more than his* I approve. Edit add: *imagines Solas then using his life energy to save you and he dies anyway* hahahahahaha To the void with you.
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Post by phoray on Sept 4, 2017 19:48:40 GMT
To the void with you. But the TEARS! I would CRY. I am ready for this TRAGEDY to mark my soul forever!
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Post by phoray on Sept 4, 2017 19:51:29 GMT
I woulden't be surprised if that thing we see her sending into the Eluvian before talking to Solas is a part of her, similar to the medallion she gives Hawke. If so, we could see her as Flemeth still. This also goes with Urthemiel's soul if she took that in DAI. I dunno... Kate Mulgrew who voiced her, I think I recall her saying she was done being VA for Bioware. Some sort of Goodbye Tweet. That voice goes with that body. So Mythall needs a new body so she can have a new VA.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Sept 4, 2017 19:52:48 GMT
I woulden't be surprised if that thing we see her sending into the Eluvian before talking to Solas is a part of her, similar to the medallion she gives Hawke. If so, we could see her as Flemeth still. This also goes with Urthemiel's soul if she took that in DAI. I dunno... Kate Mulgrew who voiced her, I think I recall her saying she was done being VA for Bioware. Some sort of Goodbye Tweet. That voice goes with that body. So Mythall needs a new body so she can have a new VA. Not really. Major characters have had their VAs change before. For example Anders, Merrill, Isabela, etc.
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Post by phoray on Sept 4, 2017 19:56:39 GMT
I dunno... Kate Mulgrew who voiced her, I think I recall her saying she was done being VA for Bioware. Some sort of Goodbye Tweet. That voice goes with that body. So Mythall needs a new body so she can have a new VA. Not really. Major characters have had their VAs change before. For example Anders, Merrill, Isabela, etc. Nobody sounds like Kate Mulgrew. just like no one sounds like Shohreh Aghdashloo with distinct intonation, breathing, and gravel in every word.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Sept 4, 2017 20:05:00 GMT
Not really. Major characters have had their VAs change before. For example Anders, Merrill, Isabela, etc. Nobody sounds like Kate Mulgrew. just like no one sounds like Shohreh Aghdashloo with distinct intonation, breathing, and gravel in every word. I disagree. You can find people that can sound like someone else. There are people whose careers are impersonating other people. And that's assuming they care enough to make Flemeth sound the same. They didn't really care with the other VA changes like the ones I mentioned. You may be right, I'm just saying the VA departing doesn't mean anything about the character.
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Post by midnight tea on Sept 4, 2017 20:09:34 GMT
Not really. Major characters have had their VAs change before. For example Anders, Merrill, Isabela, etc. Nobody sounds like Kate Mulgrew. just like no one sounds like Shohreh Aghdashloo with distinct intonation, breathing, and gravel in every word. Look at it this way - Kate Mulgrew was Flemeth's voice. We don't really know how Mythal sounds like or may yet sound like.
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Post by phoray on Sept 4, 2017 20:09:58 GMT
Nobody sounds like Kate Mulgrew. just like no one sounds like Shohreh Aghdashloo with distinct intonation, breathing, and gravel in every word. I disagree. You can find people that can sound like someone else. There are people whose careers are impersonating other people. And that's assuming they care enough to make Flemeth sound the same. They didn't really care with the other VA changes like the ones I mentioned. You may be right, I'm just saying the VA departing doesn't mean anything about the character. Only 1/6 of DAO players, at best, ever met Merril before DA2. Anders' voice was pretty generic, and I didn't notice the change at all. Kinda high pitched and nasally for a man. Dime a dozen. Whereas Fenris is recognized even in NPC form. Claudia Black (Morrigan and a Quarian General) Whoever voices Loghain, I recognized on the spot as a Quarian in ME2. Garrus' VA as Jesus/Paul in The Walking Dead Season 3 I recognized the character in Star Trek that played three different races in Deep Space 9. (WEyloud, an Andorian, and a Ferengi) Unrecognizable due to makeup and face pieces, but the voice came through. These people can not hide their voice even when they try. Then you tell me people can easily mimic them. I simple disagree. And my belief in this supports my theory that Mythall will have a new host body in DA4.
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Post by themikefest on Sept 4, 2017 20:59:20 GMT
It looks like Flemeth sent a part of her through the mirror. Who will be on the other side to receive that part? Don't know. I would guess its a female. She doesn't have to sound like Flemeth especially if she looks different. So I'm not worried about the voice. I would say this person might have a role in the game. Maybe shows up to help the main character deal with Solas. Don't know.
Anyways.
When meeting Dorian in Redcliffe, Solas will say its fascinating, but dangerous when hearing about controlling time. What if Solas is able to master it? What if he decides to go back in time, before creating the veil, to try again without harming the elves? The main character is from that time that we play to try and foil his plans. Unlikely, but its a possibility. Or what if Dorian has perfected time and gives the power to the main character. We travel through time tracking Solas trying to stop him.
Another possibility is go back just before the conclave is destroyed. Doubtful, but.....
How about stopping time itself? Remember the ruin in the Western Approach? Everything is stopped. The player finds the tempest staff in the ruin. What if Solas is able to do that? Stop time so he can make sure his plan works? Or stops time just before the Herald touches the orb. Solas walks over grabs it giving him the anchor. Of course it changes the future. How different would it be if that happens? It could be a way to not have any of the previous characters in the game.
At the end of trespasser, Harding, Leliana, Cassandra and Inquisitor are always seen. How long after the events of trespasser does that scene take place? C/L could be divine, but aren't seen wearing the big hat. Both plus the Inquisitor are wearing formal attire. Seems odd to be wearing that and not their usual outfit. Its no big deal, just something I noticed. Obviously they're in the basement of the chantry in Haven. Aside from the LI showing up, who else knows those 4 are in Haven? Why did the Inquisitor stick the knife in the map indicating Trevinter might be a place to go? Did someone tell them to go there for information about where Solas might be? If so, will the player get to meet that character.
While that scene takes place, are other members of the Inquisition relocating all assets to some undisclosed location away from Skyhold?
In trespasser, Dorian will mention about building eluvians. Not sure if that will happen in the next game.
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Post by SofaJockey on Sept 4, 2017 21:51:51 GMT
I didn't say that she never needed one. She apparently needed one till events of Inquisition - but we don't know if she needs it now or whatever phase of her plans the world is entering. Besides - she didn't seem to posses anyone when Merril summoned her on Sundermount. So in reality we have no idea what kind of tricks she still has hidden in her sleeve. She's kinda a weird V.o.l.d.e.m.o.r.t -- creature spirit. Her representation of a body could have just been more magic. SofaJockey I don't find it funny that the word v.o.l.d.e.m.o.r.t. keeps being changed into the acronym for He who must not be named. Fair enough... It was a joke that arose when we were setting up 'censored words' that 'Voldemort' would do that.
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Post by midnight tea on Sept 4, 2017 22:15:48 GMT
It looks like Flemeth sent a part of her through the mirror. Who will be on the other side to receive that part? Don't know. I would guess its a female. She doesn't have to sound like Flemeth especially if she looks different. So I'm not worried about the voice. I would say this person might have a role in the game. Maybe shows up to help the main character deal with Solas. Don't know. I'm not sure she's sending a part of her through the mirror - mostly because I have a theory that the whole venture to Temple Of Mythal and taking the Well Of Sorrows has probably either activated or energized the eluvians and whatever she did, it has something to do with them. That watery figure that stood in a way of Corypheus and our party at the end? She disappeared into the mirror, but didn't show up on another side. And Inquisitor and our team has stepped from ToM right into Skyhold (the order and timing is identical to order and timing they went into the mirror). 'She' was probably something that re-energized the mirrors. IMO Mythal was activating another eluvian, maybe even deliberately to draw Solas to her and instead of sending her energy somewhere she fed it directly into the mirror. It's also possible that this is why Solas wanted her power - he does tell us that he had to override Briala's password personally, but we have no reasons to believe he was powerful enough to do so before he took Mythal's power. And we know from Masked Empire that he wanted access to eluvians, sent his people to get the key, only to kill his trusted agent for insubordination. Access to eluvians seems imperative to his plans, so it would be yet another reason to take Mythal's power to gain control over the network. I've seen many people speculating that Solas is planning to turn back time, but IMO this is not going to happen. Oh, there will be something happening with time either way (I wouldn't be surprised if Solas's "Live well while time remains" had double meaning), just not going back and undoing thousands of years of history. We don't know how much he knows about time magic - according to him the distortion of time in Redcliffe is something new for him. Of course, that doesn't rule out that he knows how to manipulate time, but it may not be what we think it is, or have not that much overlap to what Dorian or Alexius managed to achieve. The temple with the Tempest staff though? That is blood magic - and Solas tells us that he doesn't practice it, due to it doing something to connection with the Fade. The 'formal attire' is the formal uniform of the Inquisition. This is why Inquisition members are wearing it at the Winter Palace in main game AND in Trespasser. It's supposed to symbolize that Inquisition is still going, even if it's underground (no pun intended xD). Also, we're not at Haven - I'm fairly sure of it. Why would they waste their time unburying it? It has no strategic meaning, while I'm sure there are hundreds of similarly designed dungeons in Thedas. It's just the same asset, meaning to symbolize the story coming at full circle (hence the camera's slide from above bars and down to our Inquisitor, mimicking the opening of the scene after emerging from the Fade) and likely the beginning of a new cycle. Also, the whole 'underground' aspect... Hard to say what others are doing. We do get a scene where all of our companions (that we recruited and stayed with us) walk away from Inquisitor, symbolizing the end of old Inner Circle and old Inquisition - while the post-epilogue scene likely shows us the smaller, reformed Inner Circle... or at least members that will likely play a significant role in DA4. Hard to tell who else will show up in next title (though Dorian seems certain to play a bigger role there), but considering their different whereabouts at the end of different world-states they're likely doing different things, even if still related to Inquisition in some way. I wouldn't be surprised if he did. Dorian can tell us that they have enough samples of eluvians after Vir Dirthara - and that's before Inquisition raided the Daarvarad, where they find tons of intricate research notes concerning the mirrors. Someone probably grabbed some of those in between dealing with the Qunari There are even some epilogue cards (esp. the one with romanced Cassandra) that mention that Inquisitor shows up suddenly on her side, or vice versa. Either way, if Dorian didn't create his own eluvian, they likely have access to some old ones (like Morrigan's eluvian still present in Skyhold after her departure, or eluvian from Winter Palace) that they can try and 'hack' - thanks to Morigan and Qunari, we know that it's possible so long as someone has knowledge or power. I don't think Inquisition lacks those.
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Post by themikefest on Sept 4, 2017 22:56:27 GMT
I'm not sure she's sending a part of her through the mirror - mostly because I have a theory That's fine. My theory, until proven otherwise, is she sent a part of her through the mirror It may not happen, but it would be interesting if it did happen He may not know a lot about it, but I'm sure his agents can give him information to use to understand it better and even use it to his advantage with enough testing Yes it was blood magic. Doesn't mean it can't be done without the use of blood. With further study, blood could be avoided to get the same result. I know what the uniform represents. I just found it odd they're wearing it instead of their usual outfit. Until someone proves it isn't Haven, I will stick with the scene taken place in Haven It does. No one would suspect them to be at that location. Its out of the way from prying eyes. The less Solas and his agents know what the Inquisition is up to, including knowing their location, the better. I wouldn't complain if he did.
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Post by phoray on Sept 5, 2017 4:04:24 GMT
I wouldn't be surprised if he did. Dorian can tell us that they have enough samples of eluvians after Vir Dirthara - and that's before Inquisition raided the Daarvarad, where they find tons of intricate research notes concerning the mirrors. Someone probably grabbed some of those in between dealing with the Qunari There are even some epilogue cards (esp. the one with romanced Cassandra) that mention that Inquisitor shows up suddenly on her side, or vice versa. Either way, if Dorian didn't create his own eluvian, they likely have access to some old ones (like Morrigan's eluvian still present in Skyhold after her departure, or eluvian from Winter Palace) that they can try and 'hack' - thanks to Morigan and Qunari, we know that it's possible so long as someone has knowledge or power. I don't think Inquisition lacks those. Oh neat. I hadn't even considered that idea. Fast Travel takes on even more meaning AND they can reuse map assets from DAI by letting us Eluvian to Southrn Thedas. If they want to. It just makes travel that would take weeks take seconds, and opens a lot of opportunities. IMO
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Post by midnight tea on Sept 5, 2017 4:28:16 GMT
I wouldn't be surprised if he did. Dorian can tell us that they have enough samples of eluvians after Vir Dirthara - and that's before Inquisition raided the Daarvarad, where they find tons of intricate research notes concerning the mirrors. Someone probably grabbed some of those in between dealing with the Qunari There are even some epilogue cards (esp. the one with romanced Cassandra) that mention that Inquisitor shows up suddenly on her side, or vice versa. Either way, if Dorian didn't create his own eluvian, they likely have access to some old ones (like Morrigan's eluvian still present in Skyhold after her departure, or eluvian from Winter Palace) that they can try and 'hack' - thanks to Morigan and Qunari, we know that it's possible so long as someone has knowledge or power. I don't think Inquisition lacks those. Oh neat. I hadn't even considered that idea. Fast Travel takes on even more meaning AND they can reuse map assets from DAI by letting us Eluvian to Southrn Thedas. If they want to. It just makes travel that would take weeks take seconds, and opens a lot of opportunities. IMO Yep. That's why I think they've been setting up active eluvian network in the first place and Trespasser was merely an appetizer in terms of to how remote places we'd go. It'd mean opening up many places in Thedas and maybe even beyond without having to worry about means or time for us to get there.
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Post by brandoftime on Sept 5, 2017 12:56:35 GMT
Yes, we could see Antiva for one quest, then zip on over to the Anderfels for something else and not have the immersion breaking business about how long they travelled to each one just to get get 3 rams horns (Just kidding:)
I would love to see this implemented, it gave Trespasser such a mysterious on the edge feel, not a camping simulator feel but really, a 'you never know what's just right here' kind of feel. One of the best things about the locations in DAI for me was how different they all were, the variety kept me going for 300 hours plus and never got stale.
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Post by ladyiolanthe on Sept 5, 2017 13:51:49 GMT
I'd like to note that Haven was buried in an avalanche, which will contain some rocks and trees, but it's mostly snow. So there might not actually be that much digging out to do... Just wait for summer and the snow will melt. And summer will come - the trees are evidence of that. Haven has to be at a low enough altitude for there to be no snow cover for a chunk of the year, or we wouldn't have seen such large trees in that area. In theory, by the events of Trespasser, Haven could be a totally liveable community once more.
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Post by NeverlandHunter on Sept 5, 2017 14:30:54 GMT
She's kinda a weird V.o.l.d.e.m.o.r.t -- creature spirit. Her representation of a body could have just been more magic. SofaJockey I don't find it funny that the word v.o.l.d.e.m.o.r.t. keeps being changed into the acronym for He who must not be named. Fair enough... It was a joke that arose when we were setting up 'censored words' that 'Voldemort' would do that. Oh, Maker, that's hilarious They're just keeping you safe from the snatchers phoray
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Post by themikefest on Sept 5, 2017 15:54:40 GMT
the next DA game will be released on November 19 2019, 5 years one day after the release of DAI.
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Post by midnight tea on Sept 5, 2017 18:39:21 GMT
I'd like to note that Haven was buried in an avalanche, which will contain some rocks and trees, but it's mostly snow. So there might not actually be that much digging out to do... Just wait for summer and the snow will melt. And summer will come - the trees are evidence of that. Haven has to be at a low enough altitude for there to be no snow cover for a chunk of the year, or we wouldn't have seen such large trees in that area. In theory, by the events of Trespasser, Haven could be a totally liveable community once more. As we know from tragedies like in Galtür in Austria the snow from avalanches can be hard as rock. If there are warmer periods in Haven, they're likely not enough to melt so much snow - in fact, the likelihood is that it'd only make it harder, because it'd melt the outermost layer of snow, only for it to turn into ice and for the process to repeat over time. After all, it's not a situation where Haven only got covered by a few cm of snow - we're talking completely buried, with meters upon meters of snow likely covering even tallest buildings. It'd take years yo unbury Haven, especially with technology they've got. Nevermind that such force of snow has likely leveled most buildings, perhaps even the chantry itself. Oh, and let's not forget that the site has likely been devastated further by pieces of falling debris from land Corypheus raised to the sky, with remains of Temple Of Sacred Ashes being only a stone throw away from Haven. I really don't see any possibility or reason for anyone to return to Haven. Inquisition seems to know that, since there have been no attempts to rebuild the village - they've only placed memorial at the place Haven used to be. They know it's lost. At best, the place has sentimental value - and guess who knows that: Solas. Which is even more reason to avoid the place, given that one major obstacle on Inquisition's path to pursue Solas is that he knows much about them - which is why they're seeking 'people Solas doesn't know' in a land they themselves don't know well. That likely means that the base of operations might even leave Skyhold and either move to an unknown place, or become mobile.
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Post by themikefest on Sept 5, 2017 20:21:13 GMT
Returning to Haven is perfect. No one would guess the Inquisition would go back there especially after what happened. They may stay there for a short time, but it would be a good spot to get themselves back on their feet. Use it as a place of operations to plan against Solas, recruit people that can be trusted and so forth. While they do that, I would guess all the Inquisition assets are moved from Skyhold to an undisclosed location. Once its been established, the Inquisitor and others most likely would head there, but keep Haven has a safe house in case something goes wrong.
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Post by midnight tea on Sept 5, 2017 21:05:22 GMT
Returning to Haven is perfect. No one would guess the Inquisition would go back there especially after what happened. They may stay there for a short time, but it would be a good spot to get themselves back on their feet. Use it as a place of operations to plan against Solas, recruit people that can be trusted and so forth. While they do that, I would guess all the Inquisition assets are moved from Skyhold to an undisclosed location. Once its been established, the Inquisitor and others most likely would head there, but keep Haven has a safe house in case something goes wrong. ...Such reverse psychology may work in cartoons, but hardly in any story that tries to be at least somewhat serious. Heck, even when Haven was still existing, any character with even a bit of knowledge of warfare (like Blackwall or Bull) immediately notice that Haven is not a place to be for even a budding organization like Inquisition was at that time - it lacks infrastructure, it lacks defenses (which is why Cory was able to easily raid it) and now it lacks even basic functionality, what with anything except maybe a cave Inky fell into and maybe part of a dungeon is what survived of the village, and would likely need months of excavations and qualified team to try even restore a fraction of it; that means a lot of people travelling back and forth to Haven, which will become IMMEDIATELY suspicious to probably more than one faction that more than likely observes Inquisition. In other words, I can't think of more counter-productive thing that Inquisition going back to Haven. Especially that they likely already have established bolt holes or safe houses in in way more convenient places, and that's assuming that they're moving from Skyhold in a rush in the first place, which I don't think happened.
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Post by themikefest on Sept 5, 2017 22:21:40 GMT
...Such reverse psychology may work in cartoons, but hardly in any story that tries to be at least somewhat serious. Is there a problem? Who are these a lot of people traveling back and forth are you referring to? I never said the whole Inquisition would be at Haven.
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Post by midnight tea on Sept 5, 2017 22:40:59 GMT
...Such reverse psychology may work in cartoons, but hardly in any story that tries to be at least somewhat serious. Is there a problem? Problem in what sense? I just don't think that the whole idea of digging out Haven is feasible. Please read what I said more carefully. I said that any effort to restore Haven would result with lots of people going back and forth in order to even dig out Haven, much less turn it into a semblance of a base of operations. I never wrote it to suggest that the whole Inquisition would be at Haven. In fact I'm pretty adamant that it'd be pointless to even try and make it a safe house for Inner Circle alone.
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