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Post by wickedcool on Aug 30, 2017 13:15:23 GMT
Since solas has so many friends in the fade it could be assumed that they would fight for him? Could Also possess people ? Not gonna big to be shocked if we have a companion or advisor that counters that such as a demon
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Post by midnight tea on Aug 30, 2017 16:37:39 GMT
Since solas has so many friends in the fade it could be assumed that they would fight for him? Could Also possess people ? Not gonna big to be shocked if we have a companion or advisor that counters that such as a demon You'd think so... but then, wouldn't he try to turn Cole against us, given that he's befriended the spirit and Cole always knew more about ho he is and what's his plan? Instead, he asks him to stay away, because he wants to protect someone he cared for. Solas also cares about other spirits and probably wouldn't want to abuse any or abuse anyone else with forced possession. That's not how he rolls.
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Post by tacsear on Aug 31, 2017 8:37:59 GMT
Since solas has so many friends in the fade it could be assumed that they would fight for him? Could Also possess people ? Not gonna big to be shocked if we have a companion or advisor that counters that such as a demon But he is against the misuse of spirits
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Post by phoray on Sept 1, 2017 2:43:28 GMT
Solas will use anyone who lets him. If he doesn't kill himself in the same flames of chaos, having accomplished his goal, he's not the man I hope he is.
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Post by midnight tea on Sept 1, 2017 15:35:21 GMT
Solas will use anyone who lets him. If he doesn't kill himself in the same flames of chaos, having accomplished his goal, he's not the man I hope he is. He does say that the fate that awaits him is the one he wouldn't wish to an enemy - and he's sent his enemies to some kind of eternal torment. With that said, we don't know if his idea of current 'end of the world' involves flames of chaos.
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Post by phoray on Sept 1, 2017 18:31:59 GMT
Solas will use anyone who lets him. If he doesn't kill himself in the same flames of chaos, having accomplished his goal, he's not the man I hope he is. He does say that the fate that awaits him is the one he wouldn't wish to an enemy - and he's sent his enemies to some kind of eternal torment. With that said, we don't know if his idea of current 'end of the world' involves flames of chaos. Eternal torment? I thought they were just "locked away". I imagine them as being supremely bored. That is a kind of torment, I suppose
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Post by midnight tea on Sept 1, 2017 19:27:51 GMT
He does say that the fate that awaits him is the one he wouldn't wish to an enemy - and he's sent his enemies to some kind of eternal torment. With that said, we don't know if his idea of current 'end of the world' involves flames of chaos. Eternal torment? I thought they were just "locked away". I imagine them as being supremely bored. That is a kind of torment, I suppose From Trespasser: "You said that the Elvhen gods went too far. What did they do that made you move against them?" "They Killed Mythal (chuckles). A crime for which an eternity of torment is the only fitting punishment." Wherever he's locked them, I don't think the only torment there is being bored.
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Post by arvaarad on Sept 1, 2017 20:09:44 GMT
Eternal torment? I thought they were just "locked away". I imagine them as being supremely bored. That is a kind of torment, I suppose From Trespasser: "You said that the Elvhen gods went too far. What did they do that made you move against them?" "They Killed Mythal (chuckles). A crime for which an eternity of torment is the only fitting punishment." Wherever he's locked them, I don't think the only torment there is being bored. It may be the only fitting punishment, but I think he's implying he let them off easy. There's only one Mythal murderer he's tormenting, and his eternity has just now begun.
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Post by midnight tea on Sept 1, 2017 20:34:43 GMT
From Trespasser: "You said that the Elvhen gods went too far. What did they do that made you move against them?" "They Killed Mythal (chuckles). A crime for which an eternity of torment is the only fitting punishment." Wherever he's locked them, I don't think the only torment there is being bored. It may be the only fitting punishment, but I think he's implying he let them off easy. There's only one Mythal murderer he's tormenting, and his eternity has just now begun. No, he did say that Evanuris are 'paying the ultimate price for their misdeeds' shortly after what I quoted. So even if he implies a bit more with it, he does seem to think that the Evanuris got their due.
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Post by Solas on Sept 1, 2017 22:41:22 GMT
if we assume that 'they sleep, masked in the mirror, hiding, hurting, and to wake them' [Cole] refers to the imprisoned Evanuris and not some remaining ancient elves who are in uthenera somewhere that Solas wants to wake up and save, from the 'hurting' it certainly seems like the place or context in which he has imprisoned them isn't just like a regular jail (not that it would be a regular jail ... - but akin to that kind of imprisonment if you follow me) but more like.. well it reminds me of our purgatory or hell. stuck there and tormented/in pain for all eternity. question is, what makes the 'place' that way? is it something to do with the Void? what makes the imprisonment like that? are they like sundered from themselves or something? or sleeping doomed to re-dream the same nightmares over and over? what would be the 'ultimate price' for an Evanuris? at first you'd think it would be loss of their power, status and immortality, but evidently there's some kind of eternal torture type deal that is far worse.
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Post by phoray on Sept 3, 2017 16:02:51 GMT
I speculate that the Evanuris were sent to "the void" and as a result, will be crazy as f$#% evil baddies who go from boiling angry to "oo a butterfly" in under 30 seconds. They will be murderously gleeful. And unfortunately, as a side effect, they wil be more Obstacle than real people, albeit very powerful obstacles.
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Post by phoray on Sept 3, 2017 20:34:42 GMT
I speculate we'll get an 'Inquisio-Imposter' to show up on screen mildly to moderately out of character to resolve Solas in exactly three kinds of relationship: Friend, Lover, Foe.
I HOPE for Duel Protag, even if Quiz just gets Story Only Dialogue bits with no fighting but, sadly, unlikely.
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Post by midnight tea on Sept 3, 2017 21:15:35 GMT
I speculate we'll get an 'Inquisio-Imposter' to show up on screen mildly to moderately out of character to resolve Solas in exactly three kinds of relationship: Friend, Lover, Foe. I HOPE for Duel Protag, even if Quiz just gets Story Only Dialogue bits with no fighting but, sadly, unlikely. I keep rooting for double-protag route.
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Post by eskiya on Sept 3, 2017 21:33:09 GMT
I really don't see the whole pull of a dual protag in DA4. I can sort of see why some would want to continue with their Inky, but as stated by the Devs; not happening.
I can really only see their interaction with the new Protag being something akin to letters back and forth, or word of mouth through a mutual ally (Such as Dorian or even Mae). The Inquisitor is supposed to be laying low, and/or keeping their nose clean. Why would they risk everything (ie helping/hunting Solas) at such crucial point?
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Post by midnight tea on Sept 3, 2017 22:23:00 GMT
I really don't see the whole pull of a dual protag in DA4. I can sort of see why some would want to continue with their Inky, but as stated by the Devs; not happening. Please show me statement by the devs that it's 'not happening'. Because I've paid attention to what they said and (unlike the vehement and explicit comments about involvement of HoF) nobody said anything like that - in fact we have Mike Laidlaw (for Kotaku) on the record saying months before Trespasser that they're absolutely fascinated by this and it'd be difficult to pull off, but not impossible. Then we have David Gaider stating in an interview that Inquisition was basically cut in half and that another half of the story is apparently still happening. Then it's Trespasser - it doesn't imply dual-protag route, but it certainly implies significant involvement of Inquisitor. ...Because they're the ones who are actually organizing everything in order to stop Solas? And no - they're not supposed to 'lay low and keep their nose clean'. Where did you get that idea? From epilogue cards in Trespasser that imply heavily that the whole 'retirement' thing is a ruse? From post-epilogue scene when they're seen at the center of re-organizing the Inquisition towards the new goal? Or when they state 'now excuse me, I have the world to save - again'?
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Post by ladyiolanthe on Sept 3, 2017 22:29:15 GMT
I really don't see the whole pull of a dual protag in DA4. I can sort of see why some would want to continue with their Inky, but as stated by the Devs; not happening. I can really only see their interaction with the new Protag being something akin to letters back and forth, or word of mouth through a mutual ally (Such as Dorian or even Mae). The Inquisitor is supposed to be laying low, and/or keeping their nose clean. Why would they risk everything (ie helping/hunting Solas) at such crucial point?Because the end of Trespasser very strongly implies that the Inquisitor is doing and is going to continue actively doing something to take care of Solas, although it may be as more of a mastermind. There's no suggestion that the Inquisitor is going to be laying low or needs to appear to be doing nothing. Leliana: My agents have found nothing. With the eluvians, he could be anywhere. (Note: She is reporting to the Inquisitor. This suggests the Inquisitor had asked her to send out her scouts to find Solas.) Cassandra: With the Inquisition officially disbanded, we have no army, no formal alliances... (Note: use of the word "we" - includes the Inquisitor.) OR Cassandra: Maintaining the Inquisition, even as a peacekeeping force, leaves us vulnerable to agents of the Dread Wolf... (Note: use of the word "us" - includes the Inquisitor.) Leliana: We have what we truly need. (Note: The implication is that they have each other - including the Inquisitor - and some resources to draw on still to combat Solas or defeat his plans.) OR Leliana: But also gives us the strength to respond. (Note: The implication is that they are planning to respond to Solas - use of word "us" is inclusive of the Inquisitor. Leliana is reassuring them that not all is lost.) Cassandra: (Sighs.) We will need to be careful. (Note: Again with the "we".) Leliana: Solas knows everything about us. Who we are, how we work, our strengths and weaknesses... (Note: She is again looking right at the Inquisitor. She is acknowledging that Solas has them at a disadvantage, but she isn't saying "We can't do this, and neither should you.") Inquisitor: Then we find people he doesn't know. We will save our friend from himself... if we can. OR Inquisitor: Then we find people he doesn't know. We will stop Solas by any means necessary. (Note: For both outcomes, "we" is used again - and this time from the Inquisitor themself. Suggests the Inquisitor and their remaining inner circle will be working to defeat Solas/foil his plans by finding suitable agents whom Solas doesn't know. And that they will direct/coordinate said agents from behind the scenes. And that they have an active interest in saving or stopping Solas.)
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Post by ellehaym on Sept 3, 2017 22:34:27 GMT
Since solas has so many friends in the fade it could be assumed that they would fight for him? Could Also possess people ? Not gonna big to be shocked if we have a companion or advisor that counters that such as a demon I suppose it depends on the type of "spirit" they represent I can't imagine Solas using them in combat ... they're more valuable to him (sentimental-wise) than the elves that he's accumulating. Once they're become corrupted and/or die that will be the end of that being. It might be reborn into something similar, but it won't be the same spirit. Much like how the Wisdom spirit in his quest line died.
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Post by phoray on Sept 4, 2017 16:08:36 GMT
I like that when DA4 comes out in 2019, we can find all our speculations in one spot and see how right/wrong we were.
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Post by phoray on Sept 4, 2017 18:43:01 GMT
The only three-ish people I want to see in DAI are:
Solas Ex- Inky interacting with Solas and Dorian the new Mythal host body. As much as I like Morrigan, I'd like it to be someone else.
Speaking of: IF we get a new Mythal host body, what kind of host body are we hoping for if it's NOT Morrigan? That's a question I've never seen asked.
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Post by OhDaniGirl on Sept 4, 2017 19:03:25 GMT
My wild guess is that Mythal went to the one who drank from the Well, assuming she went anywhere.
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Post by midnight tea on Sept 4, 2017 19:09:20 GMT
My wild guess is that Mythal went to the one who drank from the Well, assuming she went anywhere. Question remains whether she even needs a body. She's the one she said that they're such a limiting thing...
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Post by smilesja on Sept 4, 2017 19:11:44 GMT
I wonder what Mythal's are for the one who drank from the well
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Post by phoray on Sept 4, 2017 19:17:37 GMT
I think Drinking from the Well just makes you bound. *Imagines Solas finally agreeing not to drown the world in chaos* *Imagines new Mythal pops up and orders his death anyway* *imagines choice: Kill yourself to stop the compulsion to murder Solas or give into the compulsion after deciding you value your own life more than his* I approve. Edit add: *imagines Solas then using his life energy to save you and he dies anyway* hahahahahaha
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Post by phoray on Sept 4, 2017 19:18:31 GMT
My wild guess is that Mythal went to the one who drank from the Well, assuming she went anywhere. Question remains whether she even needs a body. She's the one she said that they're such a limiting thing... If she didn't need one, in a Veil present world, she wouldn't have bothered over the millenia to possess them.
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Post by midnight tea on Sept 4, 2017 19:22:32 GMT
Question remains whether she even needs a body. She's the one she said that they're such a limiting thing... If she didn't need one, in a Veil present world, she wouldn't have bothered over the millenia to possess them. I didn't say that she never needed one. She apparently needed one till events of Inquisition - but we don't know if she needs it now or whatever phase of her plans the world is entering. Besides - she didn't seem to posses anyone when Merril summoned her on Sundermount. So in reality we have no idea what kind of tricks she still has hidden in her sleeve.
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