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Post by midnight tea on Aug 22, 2017 20:35:27 GMT
I thought he was a grumpy lanatic in Origins (didn't play a a mage). And Hardline mage critic in DA2. But his standing up to Meredith after I'd just saved the mages in defiance of their wishes absolutely made him more intriguing than his previous lunacy could combat. I was shocked, impressed. Then I heard he was in DAI as a Romanced option and I was like, "hmmmmm,." I certainly don't think his story arc was ret conned You aren't Dragon Ageing correctly, phoray...play ALL the Origins! But yeah, if you didn't play a female mage, you'd have no positive experience of him in that game. But in 2, he's guilty - at most - of projecting what happened at the Tower in Ferelden onto the mages of Kirkwall. Yea, and it's not like in Inquisition he's suddenly all super-pro-mage - he's usually the advisor who's very cautious when it comes to magic or magical solutions. In fact I'm fairly sure it's the reason he's brought to Inquisition. He's got over most of his trauma, but some wariness is still there.
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Post by DragonKingReborn on Aug 22, 2017 20:39:35 GMT
You aren't Dragon Ageing correctly, phoray...play ALL the Origins! But yeah, if you didn't play a female mage, you'd have no positive experience of him in that game. But in 2, he's guilty - at most - of projecting what happened at the Tower in Ferelden onto the mages of Kirkwall. Yea, and it's not like Inquisition he's suddenly all super-pro-mage - he's usually the advisor who's very cautious when it comes to magic or magical solutions. In fact I'm fairly sure it's the reason he's brought to Inquisition. He's got over most of his trauma, but some wariness is still there. Wariness which is completely understandable, given what he'd experienced over a period of a decade.
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Post by ladyiolanthe on Aug 23, 2017 0:39:39 GMT
Some epilogue slides are a little less mutable, for example Redeemer Solasmancers got the one where Solas/a wolf is looking at her from a distance in her dreams. That can't really be a rumour since it's something only Lavellan would know (or anyone she mentions it to). However, in this case, what is mutable is whether that being is in fact Solas, or whether it's just a spirit picking up on her longing for him.
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Post by lordofwar on Aug 23, 2017 1:06:37 GMT
Cullen was literally a bloodthirsty lunatic until DAI magically retconned him with no explanation, so the fact he ever had a fan base at all, is frankly disturbing imo. Um....no. Origins: Yeah, he wanted blood, but had suffered intense psychological trauma at the hands of demons and abominations. II: Was a strict templar, but the only moderating influence on Meredith and abandoned her once it was clear she'd gone full retard. Although - I don't get the fandom of him, either. Unless one played as a female mage in Origins. He certainly wasn't likeable in the first two games outside of that. Cullen was Meredith's right hand and a direct collaborator in her atrocities and tyranny in Kirkwall. He only turns on her when she attacks Hawke, a wealthy noble and their entourage, in a, what would he call it? "A convenient last minute change of heart." He argues for the wider use of Tranquility in the Kirkwall Circle. He wrote this:To Knight-Commander Meredith, re. the so-called "Mage Underground" Every Circle in Thedas suffers from individual mages who rebel and attempt to flee. These apostates are usually found and returned to the Circle or mercifully killed if they have fallen to demonic temptation. Until now, I have never served anywhere that the populace does not fully cooperate in hunting these rebels. Here in Kirkwall, citizens actually help rebel mages escape. Escaped apostates have survived their freedom long enough to form the "the mage underground," a network that feeds and shelters escapees and even transports apostates into remote areas of the Free Marches and beyond our easy reach. As of late, the movement has grown bolder, sending raiding parties into the Gallows in an attempt to break out mages who lack the skills or willpower to escape on their own. This is a grave concern. My recommendation is to fight back, both physically and in turning the minds and hearts of their supporters against them. —Knight-Captain CullenCullen's a fucking bastard.
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Post by DragonKingReborn on Aug 23, 2017 1:26:31 GMT
If you say so. But unless "fight back" is code for "Rite of Tranquility" in your mind - and that's quite a stretch - this codex doesn't suggest he is arguing for that.
In fact, I'd consider that to be the reasonable response of someone who has seen - and been subjected to - the things he has. People in Kirkwall were legitimately breaking a law that is considered to keep the whole populace safe from mages that may lose control.
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Post by phoray on Aug 23, 2017 1:29:26 GMT
I thought he was a grumpy lanatic in Origins (didn't play a a mage). And Hardline mage critic in DA2. But his standing up to Meredith after I'd just saved the mages in defiance of their wishes absolutely made him more intriguing than his previous lunacy could combat. I was shocked, impressed. Then I heard he was in DAI as a Romanced option and I was like, "hmmmmm,." I certainly don't think his story arc was ret conned You aren't Dragon Ageing correctly, phoray...play ALL the Origins! But yeah, if you didn't play a female mage, you'd have no positive experience of him in that game. But in 2, he's guilty - at most - of projecting what happened at the Tower in Ferelden onto the mages of Kirkwall. 1st: Tabris 2nd: Cousland (then went on to play DA2 and DAI, having not experienced Cullen in Origins. Romanced him in DAI.) Attempted a homosexual Dalish Male. Didn't get past crowning Harrowmount before I quit. 3rd: Surana (that really gave me a totally different perspective on a LOT of mage stuff. My favorite Warden. Flirted with Cullen just to fuck with him, no Warden crush.) 4th: Brosca Plan an Amell for Morrigan who will do the US (never done the US, but I don't suspect this Origin to change much from Surana) Played just the start of Aeducan. SO THERE If you argue with him in DA2, he has some cracks in his Anti MAge Believe-in-Meredith facade, in act 3 especially. If I'd actually bothered talking to him my first game of DA2, his turning on her would not have been that huge a surprise. Then in DAI, now that I've played it 5 times, Cullen's feelings about mages are a bit...bipolar. He is REALLY upset if you ally the mages and comes the closest to yelling at you I've ever seen him come. Even though he's no rabid mage hater, his fears are still super strong. Then the minute you get to Skyhold, it's like a new world for him. He settles right down about them, seems quite keen on the Quiz if she flirts, mage or no. I could figure that he finally decides there is something more than mages vs templars happening in the world, and it's time to suck it up and focus. Or maybe he's struggling more with his lyrium addiction, and just doesn't have the energy for it. But there is definitely a pre haven Cullen and a post haven cullen on the mage issue that I wish had been handled a bit more smoothly.
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Post by DragonKingReborn on Aug 23, 2017 1:37:31 GMT
You aren't Dragon Ageing correctly, phoray...play ALL the Origins! But yeah, if you didn't play a female mage, you'd have no positive experience of him in that game. But in 2, he's guilty - at most - of projecting what happened at the Tower in Ferelden onto the mages of Kirkwall. 1st: Tabris 2nd: Cousland (then went on to play DA2 and DAI, having not experienced Cullen in Origins. Romanced him in DAI.) Attempted a homosexual Dalish Male. Didn't get past crowning Harrowmount before I quit. 3rd: Surana (that really gave me a totally different perspective on a LOT of mage stuff. My favorite Warden. Flirted with Cullen just to fuck with him, no Warden crush.) 4th: Brosca Plan an Amell for Morrigan who will do the US (never done the US, but I don't suspect this Origin to change much from Surana) Played just the start of Aeducan. SO THERE If you argue with him in DA2, he has some cracks in his Anti MAge Believe-in-Meredith facade, in act 3 especially. If I'd actually bothered talking to him my first game of DA2, his turning on her would not have been that huge a surprise. Then in DAI, now that I've played it 5 times, Cullen's feelings about mages are a bit...bipolar. He is REALLY upset if you ally the mages and comes the closest to yelling at you I've ever seen him come. Even though he's no rabid mage hater, his fears are still super strong. Then the minute you get to Skyhold, it's like a new world for him. He settles right down about them, seems quite keen on the Quiz if she flirts, mage or no. I could figure that he finally decides there is something more than mages vs templars happening in the world, and it's time to suck it up and focus. Or maybe he's struggling more with his lyrium addiction, and just doesn't have the energy for it. But there is definitely a pre haven Cullen and a post haven cullen on the mage issue that I wish had been handled a bit more smoothly. You showed me! It's been ages since I've seriously played DA2, but I certain I never got the dialogue where he isn't totally sure about Meredith, so that's interesting. Yeah, he's never seemed rabid (apart from my first couple of DA:O PTs where I wasn't a mage and didn't get the Origin story context for him) and his objections appear based in belief in a ....more reliable solution in the Templars.
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Post by phoray on Aug 23, 2017 2:09:44 GMT
... If you argue with him in DA2, he has some cracks in his Anti MAge Believe-in-Meredith facade, in act 3 especially. If I'd actually bothered talking to him my first game of DA2, his turning on her would not have been that huge a surprise. ... It's been ages since I've seriously played DA2, but I certain I never got the dialogue where he isn't totally sure about Meredith, so that's interesting. Yeah, he's never seemed rabid (apart from my first couple of DA:O PTs where I wasn't a mage and didn't get the Origin story context for him) and his objections appear based in belief in a ....more reliable solution in the Templars. I tried to find it on youtube, but no luck. I'm relatively certain of it, that you can ask if if he doesn't doubt Meredith in Act 3. He mutters something about duty but the voice actor nailed relunctant doubt pretty hard in the delivery.
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Post by arvaarad on Aug 25, 2017 12:54:29 GMT
Then in DAI, now that I've played it 5 times, Cullen's feelings about mages are a bit...bipolar. He is REALLY upset if you ally the mages and comes the closest to yelling at you I've ever seen him come. Even though he's no rabid mage hater, his fears are still super strong. Then the minute you get to Skyhold, it's like a new world for him. He settles right down about them, seems quite keen on the Quiz if she flirts, mage or no. "<Members of Group> are bad, but the <Members of Group> I hang out with are normal people. Could my biases be wrong? ...no, these fine fellows must be the exception to the rule!"
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Post by wickedcool on Aug 25, 2017 14:42:40 GMT
What retcons will we see in da4. Have developers hinted at any
Such as If we see Sten will he have bumps on forehead for no horns? Could anders be a protagonist regardless of da2 as they could say his spirit revived him.
Other than the hero of fereldan are there any companions 100% not returning such as Wynette?
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Post by Heimdall on Aug 25, 2017 14:46:16 GMT
What retcons will we see in da4. Have developers hinted at any Such as If we see Sten will he have bumps on forehead for no horns? Could anders be a protagonist regardless of da2 as they could say his spirit revived him. Other than the hero of fereldan are there any companions 100% not returning such as Wynette? Sten already appeared in a comic as Arishock alongside the other Qunari, he had no horns and kept his old skin tone so I imagine that's going to stay.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 25, 2017 15:56:25 GMT
What retcons will we see in da4. Have developers hinted at any Such as If we see Sten will he have bumps on forehead for no horns? Could anders be a protagonist regardless of da2 as they could say his spirit revived him. Other than the hero of fereldan are there any companions 100% not returning such as Wynette? Sten already appeared in a comic as Arishock alongside the other Qunari, he had no horns and kept his old skin tone so I imagine that's going to stay. Exactly, Sten not having horns is a pretty big deal in qunari culture. Qunari born without horns are considered to be destined for greatness...or something like that. This *is*, of course, a retcon but I think It's an example of one handled well...unlike when they ignored Hawke's use of bloodmagic.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 28, 2017 12:31:52 GMT
Sten already appeared in a comic as Arishock alongside the other Qunari, he had no horns and kept his old skin tone so I imagine that's going to stay. Exactly, Sten not having horns is a pretty big deal in qunari culture. Qunari born without horns are considered to be destined for greatness...or something like that. This *is*, of course, a retcon but I think It's an example of one handled well...unlike when they ignored Hawke's use of bloodmagic. From a roleplay perspective, i can comprehend the anger of it, but as far as dialogues and games goes, classes that you choose never had an impact in the game since DAO, aside from the gameplay of course, yes even with that, i can understand maybe it's silly to be a blood mage, and hate them but the classes only had as impact goes, only gameplay that's all. Now to something more personal. You know how the majority of mages use that school of magic, and let's not forget it, even if you could "personalize" Hawke, it's still a premade character from Bioware, and they will do as see fit. Tho i can understand i don't agree, as said in my last quote above, (even if you can "personalize" him it's still a premade character from Bioware) so they will do what they want, regardless. What i think is people fails to see that, and even if they refuse, people with time change, so i can imagine perfectly the Hawke "change", how kirkwall blood mages were behaving? some named ones, you remember Quentin and what he did to Hawke's mother? Regardless of choice do you remember what Orsino ends doing? and he wasn't a blood mage (without saying that he let's blood mages act at they will) So yeah, even if i can understand people and his upset, i can't agree with them, as in imo stated above, they fail to see this, and how that can change Hawke. What Bioware did with Hawke in DAI, can be one of the few thinks they did with some sense since his non stop downhill ironically.
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Post by Catilina on Aug 28, 2017 12:45:04 GMT
Exactly, Sten not having horns is a pretty big deal in qunari culture. Qunari born without horns are considered to be destined for greatness...or something like that. This *is*, of course, a retcon but I think It's an example of one handled well...unlike when they ignored Hawke's use of bloodmagic. From a roleplay perspective, i can comprehend the anger of it, but as far as dialogues and games goes, classes that you choose never had an impact in the game since DAO, aside from the gameplay of course, yes even with that, i can understand maybe it's silly to be a blood mage, and hate them but the classes only had as impact goes, only gameplay that's all, that first. Now to something more personal. You know how the majority of mages use that school of magic, and let's not forget it, even if you could "personalize" Hawke, it's still a premade character from Bioware, and they will do as see fit. Tho i can understand i don't agree, as said in my last quote above, (even if you can "personalize" him it's still a premade character from Bioware) so they will do what they want, regardless. What i think is people fails to see that, and even if they refuse, people with time change, so i can imagine perfectly the Hawke "change", how kirkwall blood mages were behaving? some named ones, you remember Quentin and what he did to Hawke's mother? Regardless of choice do you remember what Orsino ends doing and he wasn't a blood mage? (without saying that he let's blood mages camp at they will) So yeah, even if i can understand people and his upset, i can't agree with them, as in imo stated above, they fail to see this, and how that can change Hawke. What Bioware did with Hawke in DAI, can be one of the few thinks they did with some sense since his non stop downhill ironically. Yes, I also understand why Hawke would be angry about the (another idiot) blood mages, even if s/he used/s it too, but probably could wording on another way... And: s/he can be pragmatic still. Not the blood magic killed his mother, rather a madman, not a "mage" killed his mother, rather a madman. If s/he didn't give up his magic, why would give up his blood magic? So: while would be understandable if s/he would give up his blood magic, even would be understandable, if s/he still uses the blood magic (if s/he didn't give up after that his/her mother died, why would to do it now?). (Orsino? I think, no matter) But there are a third and fourth explanation: s/he doesn't want a problem, so hides it, or hypocrite/don't trust the others, but self-confident (this a possible reason, why a blood mage could rival Merrill...). Would be a very good blood mage trait, I think that fits them.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 28, 2017 13:02:26 GMT
From a roleplay perspective, i can comprehend the anger of it, but as far as dialogues and games goes, classes that you choose never had an impact in the game since DAO, aside from the gameplay of course, yes even with that, i can understand maybe it's silly to be a blood mage, and hate them but the classes only had as impact goes, only gameplay that's all, that first. Now to something more personal. You know how the majority of mages use that school of magic, and let's not forget it, even if you could "personalize" Hawke, it's still a premade character from Bioware, and they will do as see fit. Tho i can understand i don't agree, as said in my last quote above, (even if you can "personalize" him it's still a premade character from Bioware) so they will do what they want, regardless. What i think is people fails to see that, and even if they refuse, people with time change, so i can imagine perfectly the Hawke "change", how kirkwall blood mages were behaving? some named ones, you remember Quentin and what he did to Hawke's mother? Regardless of choice do you remember what Orsino ends doing and he wasn't a blood mage? (without saying that he let's blood mages camp at they will) So yeah, even if i can understand people and his upset, i can't agree with them, as in imo stated above, they fail to see this, and how that can change Hawke. What Bioware did with Hawke in DAI, can be one of the few thinks they did with some sense since his non stop downhill ironically. Yes, I also understand why Hawke would be angry about the (other idiot) blood mages, even if s/he used/s it too, but probably could wording on other way... And: s/he can be pragmatic still. Not the blood magic killed his mother, rather a madman, not a "mage" killed his mother, rather a madman. If s/he didn't give up his magic, why would gic up his blood magic? So: while would be understandable, if s/he would give up his blood magic, even would be understandable, if s/he still uses the blood magic (if s/he didn't give up after that his/her mother died, why would to do it now?). (Orsino? I think, no matter) But there are a third and fourth explanation: s/he don't want a problem, so hide it, or hypocrite/don't trust the others, but self-confident. Would be a very good blood mage trait, I think that fit them. even if i think there is a limit to pragmatism, i understand your point. And the explanations make sense too, definetly there are diferent ways to see the Hawke change. but i get what you mean, doesn't matter what school of magic you are using, what is important is how do you use it, that makes it evil or good, tho when i read about some extra downsides of using blood magic when i read of Garahel's sister fate and how did all go in the wiki, it's for at least think twice about the use of this school tho. xD
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Post by Deleted on Aug 28, 2017 13:03:17 GMT
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Post by phoray on Aug 28, 2017 17:29:19 GMT
Perhaps it is arbitrary, but I always placed a line of morality between Blood Mages that use their own blood and those who use sacrifice.
It never seemed out of Character for Hawke, to me the first time I played DAI. even if Hawke is a blood mage themselves, it was not OOC to give verbal outcry Against what the Wardens were doing in DAI. Merrill would too.
It's only out of character for a blood mage Hawke that killed people for blood sacrifice, which is never an option in game any how.
And that's how I see it.
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Post by Andraste_Reborn on Aug 29, 2017 0:49:35 GMT
Hilariously, my blood mage Hawke's blanket denouncement of blood magic was way more in character for her than for several of my other, non-blood mage Hawkes. Susannah Hawke was forever denouncing mages and magic and siding with the Templars and then walking around the corner and doing blood magic with her girlfriend.
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Post by apocalypticham on Aug 29, 2017 5:53:03 GMT
Hilariously, my blood mage Hawke's blanket denouncement of blood magic was way more in character for her than for several of my other, non-blood mage Hawkes. Susannah Hawke was forever denouncing mages and magic and siding with the Templars and then walking around the corner and doing blood magic with her girlfriend. I've seen people roleplaying as a mage who refuses to use lyrium, so turns to blood instead.
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Post by midnight tea on Aug 29, 2017 12:26:57 GMT
Hilariously, my blood mage Hawke's blanket denouncement of blood magic was way more in character for her than for several of my other, non-blood mage Hawkes. Susannah Hawke was forever denouncing mages and magic and siding with the Templars and then walking around the corner and doing blood magic with her girlfriend. I've seen people roleplaying as a mage who refuses to use lyrium, so turns to blood instead. Which is ironic, considering that lyrium is technically blood...
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Post by apocalypticham on Aug 29, 2017 16:20:41 GMT
I've seen people roleplaying as a mage who refuses to use lyrium, so turns to blood instead. Which is ironic, considering that lyrium is technically blood... Shhh...don't burst their bubbles! They'll know soon enough after playing one DLC
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Post by Rascoth on Aug 29, 2017 17:37:48 GMT
I've seen people roleplaying as a mage who refuses to use lyrium, so turns to blood instead. Which is ironic, considering that lyrium is technically blood... Blood mages, blood mages everywhere...
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Post by phoray on Aug 29, 2017 22:52:10 GMT
Which is ironic, considering that lyrium is technically blood... Blood mages, blood mages everywhere... Even makes Templars into Blood Mages.
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Dragon Age: Origins, Dragon Age 2, Dragon Age Inquisition
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Post by phoray on Aug 29, 2017 22:53:33 GMT
I speculate that DA4 will be amazing. The only way they could ruin it is to probably make it Multiplayer Only and that is so not happening so we're good.
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rascoth
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Post by Rascoth on Aug 29, 2017 23:02:39 GMT
Blood mages, blood mages everywhere... Even makes Templars into Blood Mages. I think that would make them closer to reavers than blood mages. But blood users are still blood users, no matter the weapon they wield
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