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Post by phoray on Aug 16, 2017 23:56:46 GMT
I hope they just put Genitivi's books etc in the game menu and leave all the codexes to help support the narrative. Letters between "the common folk" and to you. Creepy journal pages.
I'd like to never pick up another page of the Chant of Light. Or the Tale of the Hero of Fereldan. Just put a watered down version of Varric's book in the menu too.
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Post by vana on Aug 18, 2017 12:27:59 GMT
If rumors are true, Cullen will be back as a playable character in DA4, right? does it mean that the hero will be the Inquisitor again? If not, it will be hard for me to play without being able to romance Cullen again Oh and yes, they really need to put regular party banter. In DA4 it was rare and irregular and really hard to get. As phoray said before, it would be good if a romanced character could stop flirting with other characters when he/she is romanced. Even if I could understand that someone like Zevran could still flirt a bit from time to time because he's like this, I don't want to see that for other characters who are not the type of people to flirt under your nose (can't imagine Cullen or Cassandra doing this, for example). It was a problem with Jaal in Andromeda and it breaks the magic of the romance when your beloved who is supposed to be faithful and romantic is openly flirting in front of you with someone else
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Post by midnight tea on Aug 18, 2017 13:55:24 GMT
If rumors are true, Cullen will be back as a playable character in DA4, right? does it mean that the hero will be the Inquisitor again? If not, it will be hard for me to play without being able to romance Cullen again Oh and yes, they really need to put regular party banter. In DA4 it was rare and irregular and really hard to get. As phoray said before, it would be good if a romanced character could stop flirting with other characters when he/she is romanced. Even if I could understand that someone like Zevran could still flirt a bit from time to time because he's like this, I don't want to see that for other characters who are not the type of people to flirt under your nose (can't imagine Cullen or Cassandra doing this, for example). It was a problem with Jaal in Andromeda and it breaks the magic of the romance when your beloved who is supposed to be faithful and romantic is openly flirting in front of you with someone else I wouldn't put much weight behind rumors about Cullen being a playable character - not only there are no sources given of that rumor, it seems quite unlikely from perspective of available epilogues for Cullen (he has multiple endings, in one of which he can either die or become a near-vegetable).
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Post by Fen'Harel Faceman on Aug 20, 2017 2:34:27 GMT
If rumors are true, Cullen will be back as a playable character in DA4, right? does it mean that the hero will be the Inquisitor again? If not, it will be hard for me to play without being able to romance Cullen again Oh and yes, they really need to put regular party banter. In DA4 it was rare and irregular and really hard to get. As phoray said before, it would be good if a romanced character could stop flirting with other characters when he/she is romanced. Even if I could understand that someone like Zevran could still flirt a bit from time to time because he's like this, I don't want to see that for other characters who are not the type of people to flirt under your nose (can't imagine Cullen or Cassandra doing this, for example). It was a problem with Jaal in Andromeda and it breaks the magic of the romance when your beloved who is supposed to be faithful and romantic is openly flirting in front of you with someone else I wouldn't put much weight behind rumors about Cullen being a playable character - not only there are no sources given of that rumor, it seems quite unlikely from perspective of available epilogues for Cullen (he has multiple endings, in one of which he can either die or become a near-vegetable). lol, I've never really understood the Cullen love anyway. Not that I hate the character but there was never very much about him I found compelling. The most interesting characters to me are Thedas and its history and the cadre invested in preserving that history (Morrigan, Flemeth, Solas, etc)
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Post by naughtynomad on Aug 20, 2017 9:53:25 GMT
Yeah, Cullen was just Alistair 2.0. Seems the ladies love that type of character.
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Post by ladyiolanthe on Aug 20, 2017 15:02:50 GMT
Yeah, Cullen was just Alistair 2.0. Seems the ladies love that type of character. Some portion of ladies, yes.
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Post by wickedcool on Aug 20, 2017 18:29:36 GMT
Where is the Cullen rumor?
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Post by roselavellan on Aug 20, 2017 20:02:51 GMT
Aside from their hair and combat skills, I don't really see a lot of similarities between Cullen and Alistair. In particular, I find their personalities quite different.
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Post by Andrew Waples on Aug 20, 2017 20:15:00 GMT
If rumors are true, Cullen will be back as a playable character in DA4, right? does it mean that the hero will be the Inquisitor again? If not, it will be hard for me to play without being able to romance Cullen again Oh and yes, they really need to put regular party banter. In DA4 it was rare and irregular and really hard to get. As phoray said before, it would be good if a romanced character could stop flirting with other characters when he/she is romanced. Even if I could understand that someone like Zevran could still flirt a bit from time to time because he's like this, I don't want to see that for other characters who are not the type of people to flirt under your nose (can't imagine Cullen or Cassandra doing this, for example). It was a problem with Jaal in Andromeda and it breaks the magic of the romance when your beloved who is supposed to be faithful and romantic is openly flirting in front of you with someone else I wouldn't put much weight behind rumors about Cullen being a playable character - not only there are no sources given of that rumor, it seems quite unlikely from perspective of available epilogues for Cullen (he has multiple endings, in one of which he can either die or become a near-vegetable). Or any rumor for that matter, technically DA4 doesn't even "exist" yet.
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Post by naughtynomad on Aug 21, 2017 12:25:13 GMT
Aside from their hair and combat skills, I don't really see a lot of similarities between Cullen and Alistair. In particular, I find their personalities quite different. You mean the sweetly awkward knight in shining armor? Yeah, that's both of them. Add in the fact that their romances are both centered around sweet, gentle, romantic words and actions, and you can see where people who say they're the same are coming from. There's actually a lot more similarities from both having sisters to both being "tainted" with something (lyrium, blight)... But I'm sure if you think about it, you could probably list more than me since I never actually romanced either of them, just saw the videos on youtube. As for Cullen returning in DA4, I am quite doubtful because his ending in the Trespasser epilogues could have some dark fates... but he is the only character other than Flemeth to appear in every game in the series, so who knows.
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Post by Solas on Aug 21, 2017 18:29:27 GMT
Anderfels is the key, i feel it, somethings it's cooking there that can be mindblowing. i've been reading some of the comments of the video and i have to agree, for Bioware seeing what happened with Andromeda, it's do or die now, if they screw it up, it's the end for them. If we do go to the Anderfels I hope we can meet the Green Men... The Anderfels' "Green Men" warriors began with a hunter of the Merdaine: Grunsmann, who famously saved the people of Hossberg from starvation by crossing darkspawn lines in the First Blight. The order begun in his name leads caravans through the dangerous Wandering Hills to the distant port of Laysh and comprise the best marksmen in Thedas. I wanna meet the Orth people!
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Post by roselavellan on Aug 21, 2017 20:02:13 GMT
You mean the sweetly awkward knight in shining armor? Yeah, that's both of them. Add in the fact that their romances are both centered around sweet, gentle, romantic words and actions, and you can see where people who say they're the same are coming from. Alistair is playful and expressive almost to the point of being effusive, whilst Cullen is reserved and serious. That makes them almost polar opposites. Their awkwardness came from different places: Alistair's because he was inexperienced at the beginning, Cullen's because of his circumstances (in DAO with Amell, for example), and perhaps personality. Most romances are sweet when they are uncomplicated; even Zevran's romance was very sweet once he committed. Many other DA romances were, of course, complicated by external circumstances. Perhaps Cullen's romance in DAI stood out as comparable to Alistair's because his was the only uncomplicated one for straight female Inquisitors.
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Post by therevanchist25 on Aug 21, 2017 21:25:19 GMT
Yeah, Cullen was just Alistair 2.0. Seems the ladies love that type of character. Cullen was literally a bloodthirsty lunatic until DAI magically retconned him with no explanation, so the fact he ever had a fan base at all, is frankly disturbing imo.
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Post by DragonKingReborn on Aug 22, 2017 0:45:06 GMT
Yeah, Cullen was just Alistair 2.0. Seems the ladies love that type of character. Cullen was literally a bloodthirsty lunatic until DAI magically retconned him with no explanation, so the fact he ever had a fan base at all, is frankly disturbing imo. Um....no. Origins: Yeah, he wanted blood, but had suffered intense psychological trauma at the hands of demons and abominations. II: Was a strict templar, but the only moderating influence on Meredith and abandoned her once it was clear she'd gone full retard. Although - I don't get the fandom of him, either. Unless one played as a female mage in Origins. He certainly wasn't likeable in the first two games outside of that.
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Post by NeverlandHunter on Aug 22, 2017 0:49:34 GMT
Yeah, Cullen was just Alistair 2.0. Seems the ladies love that type of character. Cullen was literally a bloodthirsty lunatic until DAI magically retconned him with no explanation, so the fact he ever had a fan base at all, is frankly disturbing imo. Bloodthirsty lunatic? You mean right after he'd been tortured for who knows how long? DA2 shows him as subservient to a fault, but never is it expressed that he enjoys mage suffering or excessive violence. I think Cullen had some really great character progression. His character growth was compelling and natural, matched only by Morrigan with a child, in my opinion. As for why fans have loved him since the beginning: Some people find awkward endearing
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Post by phoray on Aug 22, 2017 14:56:42 GMT
Cullen was literally a bloodthirsty lunatic until DAI magically retconned him with no explanation, so the fact he ever had a fan base at all, is frankly disturbing imo. Um....no. Origins: Yeah, he wanted blood, but had suffered intense psychological trauma at the hands of demons and abominations. II: Was a strict templar, but the only moderating influence on Meredith and abandoned her once it was clear she'd gone full retard. Although - I don't get the fandom of him, either. Unless one played as a female mage in Origins. He certainly wasn't likeable in the first two games outside of that. I thought he was a grumpy lanatic in Origins (didn't play a a mage). And Hardline mage critic in DA2. But his standing up to Meredith after I'd just saved the mages in defiance of their wishes absolutely made him more intriguing than his previous lunacy could combat. I was shocked, impressed. Then I heard he was in DAI as a Romanced option and I was like, "hmmmmm,." I certainly don't think his story arc was ret conned
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Post by roselavellan on Aug 22, 2017 16:57:06 GMT
I certainly don't think his story arc was ret conned I think the extent of his trauma and resulting personality was retconned quite a bit (thankfully for any mages wishing to romance him in DAI). Let's not forget this possible scenario: “The young templar Cullen never quite recovered from his ordeal. After months of attempting to convince his superiors that the tower was still a danger, he finally snapped and killed three apprentices before being stopped by his fellow templars. Eventually, Cullen escaped from prison, a madman and a threat to any mage he encountered.” Or that Cullen "ruled the Circle with fear", if the Circle wasn't given independence. Of course, that the Circle was ever given independence was also retconned... I played a mage in DAO but never really warmed to Cullen. I do think his stand against Meredith was fascinating, though, and that they should have shown a little more the development of his stance regarding mages.
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Post by NeverlandHunter on Aug 22, 2017 17:13:20 GMT
I certainly don't think his story arc was ret conned I think the extent of his trauma and resulting personality was retconned quite a bit (thankfully for any mages wishing to romance him in DAI). Let's not forget this possible scenario: “The young templar Cullen never quite recovered from his ordeal. After months of attempting to convince his superiors that the tower was still a danger, he finally snapped and killed three apprentices before being stopped by his fellow templars. Eventually, Cullen escaped from prison, a madman and a threat to any mage he encountered.” Or that Cullen "ruled the Circle with fear", if the Circle wasn't given independence. Of course, that the Circle was ever given independence was also retconned... I played a mage in DAO but never really warmed to Cullen. I do think his stand against Meredith was fascinating, though, and that they should have shown a little more the development of his stance regarding mages. Oh, I never count the epilogue slides. We never actually saw his character behave like that. The slides were as good as gossip.
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Post by shechinah on Aug 22, 2017 17:16:42 GMT
Oh, I never count the epilogue slides. We never actually saw his character behave like that. The slides were as good as gossip. I believe the epilogue slides, or at least some of them, have also been confirmed as non-canon. I think it was by David Gaider.
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Post by midnight tea on Aug 22, 2017 18:11:35 GMT
Oh, I never count the epilogue slides. We never actually saw his character behave like that. The slides were as good as gossip. I believe the epilogue slides, or at least some of them, have also been confirmed as non-canon. I think it was by David Gaider. Yea, they are written from in-world perspective and are not supposed to be treated as 100% factual. DAO epilogues especially - David Gaider has explained that epilogue were pretty last-minute and they were added because at that point in time they didn't know whether they'd be able to continue with the series, so they ventured too much into theoretical future.
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Post by roselavellan on Aug 22, 2017 18:37:02 GMT
I believe the epilogue slides, or at least some of them, have also been confirmed as non-canon. I think it was by David Gaider. Yes, but wouldn't that count as a retcon? Or are all epilogue slides non-canon?
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Post by midnight tea on Aug 22, 2017 18:51:20 GMT
I believe the epilogue slides, or at least some of them, have also been confirmed as non-canon. I think it was by David Gaider. Yes, but wouldn't that count as a retcon? Or are all epilogue slides non-canon? I think they're only canon is they're confirmed by events in further titles/world-states. Also - even Trespasser's epilogues are written in a way that strongly suggests not taking all that is written there as fact, even if we can be certain that the devs know exactly where they're going or how much they're going to reveal.
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Post by shechinah on Aug 22, 2017 18:59:06 GMT
Yes, but wouldn't that count as a retcon? Or are all epilogue slides non-canon? I believe David Gaider said something along the lines of that the epilogue sliders should be treated as in-universe rumors. To present two examples: the rumors about Cullen proved to be untrue while the rumors about Morrigan at the Orlesian court proved to be true. In other words, each individual slide should not be considered canon unless the later games or the developers themselves either confirm or debunk it. midnight tea provides an explanation for this above.
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Post by roselavellan on Aug 22, 2017 18:59:14 GMT
I think they're only canon is they're confirmed by events in further titles/world-states. Also - even Trespasser's epilogues are written in a way that strongly suggests not taking all that is written there as fact, even if we can be certain that the devs know exactly where they're going or how much they're going to reveal. Agree with Trespasser's epilogues, though I did get a different feeling from the DAO epilogues. It doesn't really bother me, though, I understand that their plans for the series probably got more fleshed out post-DAO/DA2.
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Post by DragonKingReborn on Aug 22, 2017 20:29:44 GMT
Um....no. Origins: Yeah, he wanted blood, but had suffered intense psychological trauma at the hands of demons and abominations. II: Was a strict templar, but the only moderating influence on Meredith and abandoned her once it was clear she'd gone full retard. Although - I don't get the fandom of him, either. Unless one played as a female mage in Origins. He certainly wasn't likeable in the first two games outside of that. I thought he was a grumpy lanatic in Origins (didn't play a a mage). And Hardline mage critic in DA2. But his standing up to Meredith after I'd just saved the mages in defiance of their wishes absolutely made him more intriguing than his previous lunacy could combat. I was shocked, impressed. Then I heard he was in DAI as a Romanced option and I was like, "hmmmmm,." I certainly don't think his story arc was ret conned You aren't Dragon Ageing correctly, phoray...play ALL the Origins! But yeah, if you didn't play a female mage, you'd have no positive experience of him in that game. But in 2, he's guilty - at most - of projecting what happened at the Tower in Ferelden onto the mages of Kirkwall.
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