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Post by Lazarillo on Sept 9, 2017 19:17:49 GMT
My money is on Dorian, Maevaris and Calphernia which will represent different policies. Correct me if I'm wrong, but aren't Dorian and Mae more or less equal in terms of their views? That's how it's presented in Trespasser at least. I'm not sure what meaningful difference there would be between them.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Sept 9, 2017 19:17:56 GMT
So a lose-lose-lose option. For you maybe. They're well loved characters I was referring to the fate of the slaves, not just personal opinion.
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Post by tacsear on Sept 9, 2017 19:19:28 GMT
My money is on Dorian, Maevaris and Calphernia which will represent different policies. Correct me if I'm wrong, but aren't Dorian and Mae more or less equal in terms of their views? That's how it's presented in Trespasser at least. I'm not sure what meaningful difference there would be between them. Dorian kinda defends slavery a bit when you aşk him about it, but Mae might have different views. I don't think we have been given insight of her opinions yet
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Post by tacsear on Sept 9, 2017 19:19:47 GMT
For you maybe. They're well loved characters I was referring to the fate of the slaves, not just personal opinion. Calphernia would free them
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Sept 9, 2017 19:21:28 GMT
I was referring to the fate of the slaves, not just personal opinion. Calphernia would free them Her actions go against her word considering all the people her faction made into slaves. Best case she uses them as cannon fodder as she tries to take over the world.
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Post by Lazarillo on Sept 9, 2017 19:22:34 GMT
Calphernia would free them Would she, though? Despite her background, Calpernia seems to have quite a bit of reverence for the Tevinter way of life. She was presented in Inquisition as anti-slave-cruelty, but not necessarily as anti-slave. "Calpernia as Archon" sounds a lot to me like "Vivienne as Divine". The concept is unprecedented, but the character in question is actually quite conservative in their views.
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Post by midnight tea on Sept 9, 2017 19:22:43 GMT
I don't think we will be fighting for freedom for the slaves. We will probably fight against Qunari and in the aftermath we will be left with a choice to election a new Archon for Tevinter. My money is on Dorian, Maevaris and Calphernia which will represent different policies. Yea, my assumption is that if there's going to slavery issue, it'll likely be resolved at the top, like in previous games. I wouldn't be surprised if some candidates offered either freedom or rights for slaves in exchange for fighting Qunari, while others would prefer more status quo approach - sort of like Bhelen and Harrowmont, or what happens to elves of Orlais depending on who rules it.
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Post by midnight tea on Sept 9, 2017 19:27:36 GMT
Calphernia would free them Would she, though? Despite her background, Calpernia seems to have quite a bit of reverence for the Tevinter way of life. She was presented in Inquisition as anti-slave-cruelty, but not necessarily as anti-slave. "Calpernia as Archon" sounds a lot to me like "Vivienne as Divine". The concept is unprecedented, but the character in question is actually quite conservative in their views. We don't know how her views will evolve after her time among Tevinter supremacists or Corypheus' betrayal. At the very least 2 years have passed in the universe, and there's no way of telling when DA4 will take place, so her opinions might have changed somewhat. Before she served Cory, she knew only life of a slave and what she read in books she taught herself to read - her exposure to different people outside of Tevinter might have had an impact on her too.
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Post by tacsear on Sept 9, 2017 19:29:02 GMT
Calphernia would free them Would she, though? Despite her background, Calpernia seems to have quite a bit of reverence for the Tevinter way of life. She was presented in Inquisition as anti-slave-cruelty, but not necessarily as anti-slave. "Calpernia as Archon" sounds a lot to me like "Vivienne as Divine". The concept is unprecedented, but the character in question is actually quite conservative in their views. Maybe Maeveris would do it then, I don't know. What you said actually makes more sense. Mae = Leliana Dorian = Cassandra Calphernia = Vivienne Though it occured to me that it would be just copying the previous game. I'm not sure if it would happen
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Post by brandoftime on Sept 9, 2017 19:31:00 GMT
Excuse me for not being sure here, but who is Maeveris? I haven't read the comics, just played the games.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Sept 9, 2017 19:31:36 GMT
If Calpernia does show up, we better be able to make her answer for all the death and destruction she caused.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Sept 9, 2017 19:32:04 GMT
Excuse me for not being sure here, but who is Maeveris? I haven't read the comics, just played the games. link
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Post by brandoftime on Sept 9, 2017 19:35:10 GMT
So this is one character we all can expect to see that's only featured in comics? Interesting . . .
Does this also mean Silent Grove with Alistair as King is canon?
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Sept 9, 2017 19:39:18 GMT
So this is one character we all can expect to see that's only featured in comics? Interesting . . . Does this also mean Silent Grove with Alistair as King is canon? Yes and no. Bioware uses a canon for things like books and comics, but have said that if your canon is different then your canon takes precedence.
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Post by midnight tea on Sept 9, 2017 19:41:03 GMT
If Calpernia does show up, we better be able to make her answer for all the death and destruction she caused. Me? I like a good redemption story.
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Post by tacsear on Sept 9, 2017 19:42:32 GMT
So this is one character we all can expect to see that's only featured in comics? Interesting . . . Does this also mean Silent Grove with Alistair as King is canon? İt is only chosen for the best way to tell the story. I once asked it to Mike Laidlaw on Twitter and he said they didn't consider their choices for novels/comics as canon
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Sept 9, 2017 19:42:35 GMT
If Calpernia does show up, we better be able to make her answer for all the death and destruction she caused. Me? I like a good redemption story. Except she has no remorse for her actions, something you need for a redemption story. They shouldn't force it so where you have to accept and like her despite everything she has done.
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Post by midnight tea on Sept 9, 2017 20:09:33 GMT
Me? I like a good redemption story. Except she has no remorse for her actions, something you need for a redemption story. They shouldn't force it so where you have to accept and like her despite everything she has done. Oh? Have you played DA4 to know that she has no remorse? We also know her motivations. They aren't exactly as dark as Cory's - she's also forgiven to have some of her world-view skewed, because all she knew before Cory was the life of a slave.
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Post by gervaise21 on Sept 9, 2017 20:24:29 GMT
I think there is a better chance of Calpernia freeing the slaves than Maevaris. Mae seems more like Dorian in her attitude towards slavery. As she says to Isabella "Everyone has slaves, darling." They come from the ruling class and think that so long as the slaves aren't badly treated there is nothing wrong with the institution, whereas Calpernia has personal experience of what it feels like to be a slave. Erasthenes didn't treat her badly but she was still just a chattel with no rights of her own and given no real respect by those who had power over her. That is really why she was duped by Corypheus. He was the first person to recognise her as an individual and showed her respect but once her eyes were opened to his duplicity, then she didn't just turn against him but was willing to confront him over it. She was also aggrieved not just for herself personally but because she realised he was just using everyone else as well and his motivations weren't what she had been led to believe.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Sept 9, 2017 21:32:42 GMT
I think there is a better chance of Calpernia freeing the slaves than Maevaris. Mae seems more like Dorian in her attitude towards slavery. As she says to Isabella "Everyone has slaves, darling." They come from the ruling class and think that so long as the slaves aren't badly treated there is nothing wrong with the institution, whereas Calpernia has personal experience of what it feels like to be a slave. Erasthenes didn't treat her badly but she was still just a chattel with no rights of her own and given no real respect by those who had power over her. That is really why she was duped by Corypheus. He was the first person to recognise her as an individual and showed her respect but once her eyes were opened to his duplicity, then she didn't just turn against him but was willing to confront him over it. She was also aggrieved not just for herself personally but because she realised he was just using everyone else as well and his motivations weren't what she had been led to believe. So the only way to free the slaves is to side with a war criminal who is responsible for the deaths of tens of thousands if not more of innocent lives for the purpose of world domination and reward those actions by making her in charge of one of the most powerful nations in the world? Great.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Sept 9, 2017 21:33:34 GMT
I don't think we will be fighting for freedom for the slaves. We will probably fight against Qunari and in the aftermath we will be left with a choice to election a new Archon for Tevinter. My money is on Dorian, Maevaris and Calphernia which will represent different policies. As long as we fight against the Qunari and not with them I'm fine with whatever they do. Even if they super oppress the non-mage people into positions equal to or worse than the worst of the Circles?
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Sept 9, 2017 21:45:47 GMT
Even if they super oppress the non-mage people into positions equal to or worse than the worst of the Circles? I don't understand what you mean. if who oppress the non-mage people? The Qunari? Or Tevinter? In Trespasser it seemed the female Qunari wanted the Inquisition for fight with them. I'd rather not. If your talking Tevinter keeping slaves, freeing them would be nice but I don't think DA4 will go that route. Tevinter obviously. You were talking about siding with them against the Qun no matter what. So I was asking what if Tevinter did something to non-mages that was as bad if not worse than the worst mages suffered. Also the Viddasala never wanted the Inquisitor to fight with them. She saw the Inquisition as allied with Solas.
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Post by midnight tea on Sept 9, 2017 21:56:22 GMT
I think there is a better chance of Calpernia freeing the slaves than Maevaris. Mae seems more like Dorian in her attitude towards slavery. As she says to Isabella "Everyone has slaves, darling." They come from the ruling class and think that so long as the slaves aren't badly treated there is nothing wrong with the institution, whereas Calpernia has personal experience of what it feels like to be a slave. Erasthenes didn't treat her badly but she was still just a chattel with no rights of her own and given no real respect by those who had power over her. That is really why she was duped by Corypheus. He was the first person to recognise her as an individual and showed her respect but once her eyes were opened to his duplicity, then she didn't just turn against him but was willing to confront him over it. She was also aggrieved not just for herself personally but because she realised he was just using everyone else as well and his motivations weren't what she had been led to believe. So the only way to free the slaves is to side with a war criminal who is responsible for the deaths of tens of thousands if not more of innocent lives for the purpose of world domination and reward those actions by making her in charge of one of the most powerful nations in the world? Great. If you're searching for moral purity and easy choices in DA game I don't think you're going to find much. Also - you can't pin all deaths caused by Coryphes' meddling on Calpernia. She's misguided, but she's not portrayed as a monster. Also - Tevinter is not the most powerful nation as of now, nor we know if we'd even be able to put anyone in charge of Tevinter.
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Post by Catilina on Sept 9, 2017 21:57:37 GMT
As long as we fight against the Qunari and not with them I'm fine with whatever they do. Even if they super oppress the non-mage people into positions equal to or worse than the worst of the Circles? According to Dorian, the fate of the slaves not that bad in Thevinter, some of them live as a family member...
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Post by Catilina on Sept 9, 2017 22:00:38 GMT
I think there is a better chance of Calpernia freeing the slaves than Maevaris. Mae seems more like Dorian in her attitude towards slavery. As she says to Isabella "Everyone has slaves, darling." They come from the ruling class and think that so long as the slaves aren't badly treated there is nothing wrong with the institution, whereas Calpernia has personal experience of what it feels like to be a slave. Erasthenes didn't treat her badly but she was still just a chattel with no rights of her own and given no real respect by those who had power over her. That is really why she was duped by Corypheus. He was the first person to recognise her as an individual and showed her respect but once her eyes were opened to his duplicity, then she didn't just turn against him but was willing to confront him over it. She was also aggrieved not just for herself personally but because she realised he was just using everyone else as well and his motivations weren't what she had been led to believe. So the only way to free the slaves is to side with a war criminal who is responsible for the deaths of tens of thousands if not more of innocent lives for the purpose of world domination and reward those actions by making her in charge of one of the most powerful nations in the world? Great. You're so squeamish!
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