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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Sept 19, 2017 16:32:36 GMT
I wonder if they will adopt what they did in MEA if they bring back the War Table, in that some missions you assign to others but some you can either assign to others or do yourself.
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Post by phoray on Sept 19, 2017 16:34:35 GMT
I wonder if they will adopt what they did in MEA if they bring back the War Table, in that some missions you assign to others but some you can either assign to others or do yourself. I never did do one of those missions. If you really did all of them, do they reuse locations over and over and over?
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Post by gervaise21 on Sept 19, 2017 18:49:39 GMT
I must admit that was one of the things that puzzled me about Corypheus. He was meant to be an intelligent darkspawn and looked very like the Architect but apparently he could have all these normal followers in close proximity to him and they never suffered any ill effects. It was as though the original idea that darkspawn corrupted everything they came into contact with had been totally done away with, to be replaced by red lyrium that can grow on anything organic, which was then also conveniently forgotten when it came to the consequences of it being brought to the surface.
The problem with having an awakened darkspawn companion would be the fact that he should infect your other companions just as that one did in the epilogue to Awakening even though he was trying to help people.
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Post by midnight tea on Sept 19, 2017 19:13:28 GMT
I must admit that was one of the things that puzzled me about Corypheus. He was meant to be an intelligent darkspawn and looked very like the Architect but apparently he could have all these normal followers in close proximity to him and they never suffered any ill effects. It was as though the original idea that darkspawn corrupted everything they came into contact with had been totally done away with, to be replaced by red lyrium that can grow on anything organic, which was then also conveniently forgotten when it came to the consequences of it being brought to the surface. The problem with having an awakened darkspawn companion would be the fact that he should infect your other companions just as that one did in the epilogue to Awakening even though he was trying to help people. Well, the difference between Architect and Corypheus is that Corypheus was locked away all these years and had no contact with other darkspawn - so much that he didn't even consider himself one. So it may be why he isn't infecting anyone with Blight. It may also be that each magister is somewhat different, which is why Cory's most notorious talent is body hopping. We don't yet know if Architect shares this talent or shares it to such extent. It may also be that Cory has more of an effect on/through lyrium because he happened to be the one infused with it - we don't see pieces of lyrium sticking out of the Architect's body.
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Post by OhDaniGirl on Sept 19, 2017 19:32:46 GMT
Doesn't Corypheshite control the Blight somehow? Perhaps he could have spread it, but simply chose not to.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 19, 2017 20:15:31 GMT
Doesn't Corypheshite control the Blight somehow? Perhaps he could have spread it, but simply chose not to. Was not more of a fake blight or fake calling that simulate the effects very closely if i don't recall wrong? plis correct me if i'm wrong xD
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Post by shechinah on Sept 19, 2017 20:47:06 GMT
Was not more of a fake blight or fake calling that simulate the effects very closely if i don't recall wrong? plis correct me if i'm wrong xD As I remember it, Corypheus made the Grey Wardens believe that they were experiencing their Calling. In actuality, he'd just simulated its effects with the help of the Nightmare, a very powerful fear demon.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 19, 2017 20:54:14 GMT
Was not more of a fake blight or fake calling that simulate the effects very closely if i don't recall wrong? plis correct me if i'm wrong xD As I remember it, Corypheus made the Grey Wardens believe that they were experiencing their Calling. In actuality, he'd just simulated its effects with the help of the Nightmare, a very powerful fear demon. yes, that exactly.
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Post by midnight tea on Sept 19, 2017 21:16:26 GMT
Was not more of a fake blight or fake calling that simulate the effects very closely if i don't recall wrong? plis correct me if i'm wrong xD As I remember it, Corypheus made the Grey Wardens believe that they were experiencing their Calling. In actuality, he'd just simulated its effects with the help of the Nightmare, a very powerful fear demon. ... Which actually creates more questions. After all, how come a Nightmare demon from the Fade is able to amplify or mimic the fake Calling that comes from the Blight, that is supposedly a separate source of magic from Fade's?
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Post by phoray on Sept 19, 2017 21:34:39 GMT
As I remember it, Corypheus made the Grey Wardens believe that they were experiencing their Calling. In actuality, he'd just simulated its effects with the help of the Nightmare, a very powerful fear demon. ... Which actually creates more questions. After all, how come a Nightmare demon from the Fade is able to amplify or mimic the fake Calling that comes from the Blight, that is supposedly a separate source of magic from Fade's? Always thought it was more about mind reading and telepathy. Unless you were actually hearing your Calling prior to the Nightmare demon spouting his version, how can you tell the difference? Also, if Wardens fear the Calling then how would the Fear Demon not know what it sounds like?
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Post by midnight tea on Sept 19, 2017 21:46:48 GMT
... Which actually creates more questions. After all, how come a Nightmare demon from the Fade is able to amplify or mimic the fake Calling that comes from the Blight, that is supposedly a separate source of magic from Fade's? Always thought it was more about mind reading and telepathy. Unless you were actually hearing your Calling prior to the Nightmare demon spouting his version, how can you tell the difference? Also, if Wardens fear the Calling then how would the Fear Demon not know what it sounds like? I didn't really mean it in a sense of 'how does Calling sounds like", but how does that even work? How does one either create or amplifies fake Calling through Fade or the fake Calling finds people infected by the Blight, when those things are supposed to be at least somewhat separate? One can perhaps argue that it's because all people are subconsciously connected to the Fade - but there are dwarves among the Wardens and we haven't heard anything about them not being affected. That must means that despite the Blight and Fade supposedly being separate, there must be a link there somewhere.
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Post by phoray on Sept 19, 2017 21:52:49 GMT
Or the Blight being in them makes them weakened in their Fade Resistence. Dwarves get dreams after the joining. And if the Fear can feed a Fear Demon, then how come that same emotional connection can't go both ways?
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Post by Gwydden on Sept 20, 2017 0:05:58 GMT
I am on board with this in so many ways. Firstly, I feel that DAI was just a bit to saccharine and clean. That's really an unfair and oversimplified slant on things, to be sure - plenty of the characters have an edge to them. But ultimately everyone in the inquistion except for Solas and Qun-aligned Bull and arguably Vivienne are good people working for a good cause; Blackwall obviously did horrible, horrible things in his past but he's genuinely working towards redemption, Sera's reckless and intolerant but ultimately wants to make things better for the little guy, Cole is a little quick on the trigger with the mercy kills but is so dedicated to helping people that it actually becomes more than a little grating. So I kind of miss having characters like Morrigan, Anders, Isabela, Zevran, Fenris, Sten, and Shale on side. And the kind of PC who'd tolerate and work with a straight up demon probably the kind of person who'd do things that the Inquisitor was too clean to do, like be a blood mage or go to a brothel. And I'd like to get the perspective of a demon who maybe disagrees with Solas' assertions about their nature. Maybe one who actually finds it offensive to suggest that the only reason it's a demon is because mortals are such assholes. One who likes to believe it has a degree of self-determination and isn't just a mirror for our sins. My problem with the abomination/demon idea, and the thing with those characters you mentioned, is they aren't in the same category. Morrigan, Isabela, Zevran, Fenris, and Shale are just callous and selfish. Anders is a radical for a good cause, while Sten has an alien mindset. Those are interesting concepts, precisely because they are not built on the foundation of sheer evil. The thing with unadulterated spirits is that they are a one-trick pony sort of character: Justice is just, Vengeance is the Hulk, and Cole, as you mentioned, is a goody-two-shoes to an obnoxious extent. A character who is nothing but sheer pride, or desire, or sloth as a companion sounds like it would get old fast. Worse, demons and abominations risk getting into mwahaha territory with too much exposure. But I do hope we get characters who are more nuanced. I certainly wish that we get to be one ourselves. I also wonder why a demon would want to accompany the PC, or vice versa. The most plausible scenario I can picture, and which I believe does feed into moral murkiness, is that we get the chance to bind a demon to our service, as so many mages are reported as attempting to their undoing. There would have to be genuine risk involved, though.
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Post by midnight tea on Sept 20, 2017 0:14:38 GMT
I am on board with this in so many ways. Firstly, I feel that DAI was just a bit to saccharine and clean. That's really an unfair and oversimplified slant on things, to be sure - plenty of the characters have an edge to them. But ultimately everyone in the inquistion except for Solas and Qun-aligned Bull and arguably Vivienne are good people working for a good cause; Blackwall obviously did horrible, horrible things in his past but he's genuinely working towards redemption, Sera's reckless and intolerant but ultimately wants to make things better for the little guy, Cole is a little quick on the trigger with the mercy kills but is so dedicated to helping people that it actually becomes more than a little grating. So I kind of miss having characters like Morrigan, Anders, Isabela, Zevran, Fenris, Sten, and Shale on side. And the kind of PC who'd tolerate and work with a straight up demon probably the kind of person who'd do things that the Inquisitor was too clean to do, like be a blood mage or go to a brothel. And I'd like to get the perspective of a demon who maybe disagrees with Solas' assertions about their nature. Maybe one who actually finds it offensive to suggest that the only reason it's a demon is because mortals are such assholes. One who likes to believe it has a degree of self-determination and isn't just a mirror for our sins. My problem with the abomination/demon idea, and the thing with those characters you mentioned, is they aren't in the same category. Morrigan, Isabela, Zevran, Fenris, and Shale are just callous and selfish. Anders is a radical for a good cause, while Sten has an alien mindset. Those are interesting concepts, precisely because they are not built on the foundation of sheer evil. The thing with unadulterated spirits is that they are a one-trick pony sort of character: Justice is just, Vengeance is the Hulk, and Cole, as you mentioned, is a goody-two-shoes to an obnoxious extent. A character who is nothing but sheer pride, or desire, or sloth as a companion sounds like it would get old fast. Worse, demons and abominations risk getting into mwahaha territory with too much exposure. But I do hope we get characters who are more nuanced. I certainly wish that we get to be one ourselves. I also wonder why a demon would want to accompany the PC, or vice versa. The most plausible scenario I can picture, and which I believe does feed into moral murkiness, is that we get the chance to bind a demon to our service, as so many mages are reported as attempting to their undoing. There would have to be genuine risk involved, though. The demons/spirits can be more complex than one-trick pony. The suggestion is that the more personality they have the stronger they are... and potentially capable of evolving to fully-fledged person. Cole is an example of it. And here's an interesting suggestion or reason why spirit/demon may want to accompany our PC - don't just bind a demon: play as abomination. Maybe at one point a spirit/demon will save PC's life.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Sept 20, 2017 0:21:36 GMT
If we do get a demon companion in DA4, I hope Bioware takes a look at the Homunculi from the Fullmetal Alchemist franchise. They are the personification of the Seven Deadly Sins(similar to demons in DA) and that series did a great job showing the nuances to those attributes.
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Post by smilesja on Sept 20, 2017 0:32:11 GMT
If we do get a demon companion in DA4, I hope Bioware takes a look at the Homunculi from the Fullmetal Alchemist franchise. They are the personification of the Seven Deadly Sins(similar to demons in DA) and that series did a great job showing the nuances to those attributes. I want to romance the demon as well.
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Post by Lazarillo on Sept 20, 2017 0:32:32 GMT
Ummmm, what's this "Corypheus doesn't Taint people around him" idea come from? He keeps mind-controlled Wardens in his inner circle, outside of that, the only people we have indication of being around him for much time are Samson, Calpernia, and the RLD. Calpernia's an exception, but the other two are definitely Tainted.
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Post by lucidae on Sept 20, 2017 4:54:52 GMT
Ummmm, what's this "Corypheus doesn't Taint people around him" idea come from? He keeps mind-controlled Wardens in his inner circle, outside of that, the only people we have indication of being around him for much time are Samson, Calpernia, and the RLD. Calpernia's an exception, but the other two are definitely Tainted. Completely on the same page as you. No to mention that red lyrium is blighted lyrium. It has the blight and he has to be the one who tainted the lyrium..... I don't get what ppl are saying about Corypheus here :|
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Post by Gwydden on Sept 20, 2017 11:55:55 GMT
The demons/spirits can be more complex than one-trick pony. The suggestion is that the more personality they have the stronger they are... and potentially capable of evolving to fully-fledged person. Cole is an example of it. And here's an interesting suggestion or reason why spirit/demon may want to accompany our PC - don't just bind a demon: play as abomination. Maybe at one point a spirit/demon will save PC's life. Oh, I see. I thought we were talking specifically about a demon companion. If the player is the one possessed, how would that work?
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Post by Absafraginlootly on Sept 20, 2017 12:35:05 GMT
The demons/spirits can be more complex than one-trick pony. The suggestion is that the more personality they have the stronger they are... and potentially capable of evolving to fully-fledged person. Cole is an example of it. And here's an interesting suggestion or reason why spirit/demon may want to accompany our PC - don't just bind a demon: play as abomination. Maybe at one point a spirit/demon will save PC's life.I could get behind this. Instead of a traditional choosing to recruit a companion or not you could decide whether to let them ride shotgun in your pc. You could still talk to them like a companion but they don't have a physical body beyond yours and you get special advatages and disadvantages for doing it. eg. A spirit of command wants to join with you to command the physical world. You get special dialogue options to do with persuasion/leadership as a result which helps benefits you with some npcs, but you being an abomination causes distrust/negative reactions from other npcs. You can chat to them through hallucination/illusion, hearing their voice in your head or by interacting with a mirror. Depending on the sort of command decisions you make it becomes more tyrannical or more Duty/Inspiration.
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Post by gervaise21 on Sept 21, 2017 10:09:50 GMT
Whilst it has now been established that red lyrium has been infected with the Blight, being corrupted by red lyrium does not have the same effects as being tainted by the Blight.
When we first meet Corypheus in Legacy there is no sign of red lyrium on him. His appearance is very similar to that of the Architect in that his body seems to have melded with his priestly regalia. The right side of his face looks normal but the left side is abnormal and twisted. He is also said to attract darkspawn to him without even consciously doing so. Whilst we do not see him infect people, proximity to the Architect certainly does so. Normally this will cause a person to transform into a ghoul over time.
In DAI Corypheus seems infused with red lyrium and this seems to give him greater powers. It also would appear to have cut off his attraction to darkspawn since their appearance on the surface would appear to be random and not associated directly with his presence in a particular location.
Samson is not a ghoul. He is specifically infused with red lyrium that gives him greater powers. For some reason this does not cause the same disfigurement in him that it does in the other Red Templars. With them they gradually transform into red lyrium monsters which do not appear to be the same as ghouls or darkspawn.
The same is true of the Red Lyrium Dragon. The clue is in the name. He is controlling it and is linked to it through red lyrium, not the Blight per se. I repeat, whilst we now know red lyrium is blighted lyrium the effects of being tainted with red lyrium are not the same as those associated with being tainted directly by the Blight. If anything the red lyrium seems to supress or nullify the effects of the Blight or otherwise alter them so that the outcome for a person infected with red lyrium is not the same as being infected directly with the Blight.
This is why we say that Corypheus is not tainting people with the Blight as you would expect him to as a darkspawn. Even awakened darkspawn can't help infecting people even if they would rather not. Corypheus is not infecting them, which is why Calpernia, who presumably has had nothing to do with the red lyrium, seems in perfectly normal health even though she has been in close proximity to him. The same could be said to be true of Erimond who has clearly had instruction from him.
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Post by midnight tea on Sept 21, 2017 13:42:44 GMT
When we first meet Corypheus in Legacy there is no sign of red lyrium on him. Actually, he has lyrium at the same spot he has red lyrium. It just isn't glowing (and not red), unlike in DAI.
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Post by midnight tea on Sept 21, 2017 14:08:43 GMT
Anyway, there's one other thing I'm wondering about - how much we're going to learn about Qunari origins in DA4? The large Qunari presence in next DA game seems to be almost guaranteed, and something tells me they're not just going to be faceless invaders sieging the walls of Minrathous. We already know that they're using every opportunity and researching every magic, no matter how hated or ancient, in order to gain the advantage over people they want to invade and there's no way of knowing what else they uncovered that we don't yet know about OR what we're going to uncover in attempt to stop them.
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Post by formerfiend on Sept 21, 2017 17:31:52 GMT
They do drop a lot of hints in Inquisition; Corypheus refers to a qunari inquisitor as "a beast of strange blood" and says that a qunari's blood is "engorged with decay", and calls their whole race a mistake; old god Keiran mentions that a qunari's blood "doesn't belong to them", Iron Bull speculates about their connection to dragons and develop reaver powers without drinking dragon blood.
DA2 had a comparable amount of build up for the revelations about dwarves that came out in The Descent, so I don't imagine that this will go without payoff in DA4.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Sept 21, 2017 17:34:20 GMT
I wonder if the Kossith will appear somewhere if the game goes into the origins of the Qunari.
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