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Post by arvaarad on Oct 8, 2017 1:56:57 GMT
OH YEAH Tal Vashoth Iron Bull Scene is lore breaking. The Leaders of the Qun wasted committed spies/underlings, their very LIVES, to make a POINT to Iron Bull about how we wasn't one of them anymore? Really? Personally, I saw that mission as having two purposes. If the spies were able to kill The Iron Bull, then they eliminated a source of leaks against the Qun. If the were unable to, they got rid of two spies who were a weakness to the Qun while also sending a message. Either way, it can be seen that the Qun was made stronger thus nothing was wasted. Yep, what looks wasted to us may not be considered waste within their larger goals. Alternatively: maybe they were being wasted. Just like every other religion/philosophy in Thedas, the Qunari don't always live up to their ideals. Even in supposedly rigid belief systems, devout believers break the rules all the time. Impossible standards and contradictory rules help belief systems thrive. For one, they keep people constantly upset about their own slip-ups. They assume that any doubts about the truth of their beliefs are caused by their own sinfulness, so they ignore those doubts instead of pursuing further. For two, contradictory rules mean that everyone can find a subset of rules they strongly agree with. They then live by those rules, and can ignore everything they don't, making the system of morality seem perfect in their eyes. "Those other passages are superseded by the 'better' ones that I agree with. Koslun was so wise for his time!"
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Oct 8, 2017 1:57:11 GMT
I want to know more about the origins of the Qunari. I wonder if the Kossith will reveal themselves soon. The qunari were running away for them for a reason that hasn't been explained, and I'm curious what can scare them off that much.
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Post by smilesja on Oct 8, 2017 3:06:17 GMT
I would also like to go with Josephine and travel the unknown lands of Thedas.
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Post by linksocarina on Oct 9, 2017 3:22:59 GMT
I'm amazing we have spent half a page on this thread talking about literally drizzling shit over a city by using magic.
This has made me smile today. Got to appreciate the little things.
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Post by vertigomez on Oct 9, 2017 17:30:24 GMT
Now I just imagine the ancient elves using mini-Eluvians as their waste disposal system. The real reason Solas wanted the Eluvians back is because he's sick of shitting in a pot. Yeah, but all that shit still has to go somewhere. Perhaps they created a separate corner of the fade just for that? Wouldn't that create... a Golgothan Shit-Demon?! I would also like to go with Josephine and travel the unknown lands of Thedas. YES. I want to know about those seafaring dwarves from the East (who seemed to be in charge of the humans on their vessels?), the Voshai, the glamorous inhabitants of Par Ladi, the Executors, and the mysterious Amaranth... JOSIE LET'S GO ON AN ADVEENNTUUURRE! I'm amazing we have spent half a page on this thread talking about literally drizzling shit over a city by using magic. This has made me smile today. Got to appreciate the little things. I like to think of it as... practical magic.
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Post by Rascoth on Oct 9, 2017 17:52:01 GMT
I'm amazing we have spent half a page on this thread talking about literally drizzling shit over a city by using magic. This has made me smile today. Got to appreciate the little things. Even shit needs some attention
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Post by phoray on Oct 9, 2017 18:53:44 GMT
I thought it was funny until I watched the Shit Demon Video and now I'm grossed out.
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Post by OhDaniGirl on Oct 9, 2017 19:43:00 GMT
I thought it was funny until I watched the Shit Demon Video and now I'm grossed out. Gotta love Dogma.
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Post by vertigomez on Oct 9, 2017 21:55:58 GMT
It's such a good movie. RIP Alan Rickman. Shit Demon is super gross though. 0/10, do not want in DA4
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Post by mattjamho on Oct 9, 2017 22:42:31 GMT
Speaking of demons, I expect to see more types, especially since the veil went all wonky. I imagine that shook up the fade a bit.
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Post by ellawyn on Oct 10, 2017 2:06:01 GMT
Speaking of demons, I expect to see more types, especially since the veil went all wonky. I imagine that shook up the fade a bit. Haven't we already? Fear and Despair demons definitely didn't exist before, and I can't imagine that they fit cleanly into the "Demons embody the Seven Deadly Sins" thing Bioware had going before. Either they're some wonky Veil creation or Bioware forgot their own lore. Or they've always existed and somehow no one ever met one until DAI.
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Post by ladyiolanthe on Oct 10, 2017 3:01:28 GMT
Speaking of demons, I expect to see more types, especially since the veil went all wonky. I imagine that shook up the fade a bit. Haven't we already? Fear and Despair demons definitely didn't exist before, and I can't imagine that they fit cleanly into the "Demons embody the Seven Deadly Sins" thing Bioware had going before. Either they're some wonky Veil creation or Bioware forgot their own lore. Or they've always existed and somehow no one ever met one until DAI. There's provision in the lore for Chantry scholars having changed how they categorize specific demon types - see the Despair Demon codex from DAI. So my headcanon is that the Chantry was trying to fit demons into specific boxes to suit their teachings about sins, with no regard for whatever empirical evidence they may have collected about demons. And since we know the Chantry has mistaken ideas about a lot of stuff from the Fade, this probably isn't so off the wall. Hopefully we'll find out more in DA4.
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Post by mattjamho on Oct 10, 2017 9:05:23 GMT
Haven't we already? Fear and Despair demons definitely didn't exist before, and I can't imagine that they fit cleanly into the "Demons embody the Seven Deadly Sins" thing Bioware had going before. Either they're some wonky Veil creation or Bioware forgot their own lore. Or they've always existed and somehow no one ever met one until DAI. There's provision in the lore for Chantry scholars having changed how they categorize specific demon types - see the Despair Demon codex from DAI. So my headcanon is that the Chantry was trying to fit demons into specific boxes to suit their teachings about sins, with no regard for whatever empirical evidence they may have collected about demons. And since we know the Chantry has mistaken ideas about a lot of stuff from the Fade, this probably isn't so off the wall. Hopefully we'll find out more in DA4. Also, Tevinter have done much more extensive research into demons and the fade than anywhere in the south. Wasn't there a mention of vampires in DA? They were hunger demons that fed on life essence or something? I dunno, I just want more demon types 😉
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Oct 10, 2017 16:41:06 GMT
There's provision in the lore for Chantry scholars having changed how they categorize specific demon types - see the Despair Demon codex from DAI. So my headcanon is that the Chantry was trying to fit demons into specific boxes to suit their teachings about sins, with no regard for whatever empirical evidence they may have collected about demons. And since we know the Chantry has mistaken ideas about a lot of stuff from the Fade, this probably isn't so off the wall. Hopefully we'll find out more in DA4. Also, Tevinter have done much more extensive research into demons and the fade than anywhere in the south. Wasn't there a mention of vampires in DA? They were hunger demons that fed on life essence or something? I dunno, I just want more demon types 😉 Vampires are a kind of abomination where a person is possessed by a Hunger Demon, yes. Next are the demons of hunger. In a living host they become cannibals and vampires, and within the dead they feed upon the living. Theirs are the powers of draining, both of life force and of mana. dragonage.wikia.com/wiki/Codex_entry:_Demonic_Possession
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Post by nvanfleet on Oct 10, 2017 19:27:51 GMT
Also, Tevinter have done much more extensive research into demons and the fade than anywhere in the south. Wasn't there a mention of vampires in DA? They were hunger demons that fed on life essence or something? I dunno, I just want more demon types 😉 Vampires are a kind of abomination where a person is possessed by a Hunger Demon, yes. Next are the demons of hunger. In a living host they become cannibals and vampires, and within the dead they feed upon the living. Theirs are the powers of draining, both of life force and of mana. dragonage.wikia.com/wiki/Codex_entry:_Demonic_PossessionDamn, now THERE'S a Tevinter Rogue-Spec we could use!
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Post by wickedcool on Oct 10, 2017 19:39:45 GMT
Just finished masked empire Briala and mihris would appear to be potential allies. Briala would want what solas took from her in trespasser.
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Post by Julale on Oct 10, 2017 19:56:44 GMT
Just finished masked empire Briala and mihris would appear to be potential allies. Briala would want what solas took from her in trespasser. Don’t think Mihris will play a role in DA4 because she can die in Inquisition
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Post by midnight tea on Oct 10, 2017 19:59:56 GMT
Just finished masked empire Briala and mihris would appear to be potential allies. Briala would want what solas took from her in trespasser. Problem is that both can be killed. Briala, I guess, can be argued to 'die' off-screen and therefore can come back as easily as Calpernia, but Mihris can be killed after quet with her is completed in Hinterlands.
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Post by vertigomez on Oct 10, 2017 22:28:44 GMT
Please god give me Pope Leliana vs. the Stenishok. Revisiting these conversations in DAO has me hyyyype.
Sten: Leliana, what do you want from me? Leliana: Nothing! I'm just curious. There's a lot we don't know about you, Sten. ...Except that you're a big softie. Sten: Please stop saying that. Leliana: I'm sorry. I didn't mean to make fun of you. There's nothing wrong with having a heart, Sten. It's just not what I expected. Sten: Why? Leliana: You're so Qunari! All the stories speak as if you were a hurricane or an earthquake rather than people. Sten: Qunari are most dangerous because we are thinking men and not unthinking force. Leliana: I don't understand. What do you mean? Sten: For your sake, I hope you never find out.
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Leliana: I've heard stories about the Qunari, you know. Sten: Oh? Leliana: They conquered nearly all of the north. Tevinter, Rivain, Antiva... Much of the land was laid waste. In the northern kingdoms, they say the Qunari are implacable. Relentless. More like a landslide than an invasion. It took three Exalted Marches to drive them back to the sea. Sten: We'll do better next time.
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Post by nvanfleet on Oct 10, 2017 22:59:24 GMT
Oh, *hell* yes -- especially after Iron Bull's sort of quiet, roundabout mention about hornless Qunari and the New Arishok ... PLEASE let it be Sten! It would be SO GREAT to see him again, and AFAIK kind of unprecedented as far as deferred subsequent appearances go!
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Post by vertigomez on Oct 10, 2017 23:24:04 GMT
Oh, *hell* yes -- especially after Iron Bull's sort of quiet, roundabout mention about hornless Qunari and the New Arishok ... PLEASE let it be Sten! It would be SO GREAT to see him again, and AFAIK kind of unprecedented as far as deferred subsequent appearances go! Oh, it's definitely our Sten, if Those Who Speak is anything to go by. I LOVE HIM SO MUCH.
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Post by ladyiolanthe on Oct 10, 2017 23:38:40 GMT
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Post by ellawyn on Oct 11, 2017 0:28:29 GMT
Of course, given what DA4 will probably be about and who will be in it, this means that Sten and Solas might end up fighting. Or at least, like, doing a passive-aggressive shadow war thing.
Which honestly I'm up for. I 100% did not believe the Qunari when they dismissed the Viddasala and her people as some rogue faction.
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Post by ComedicSociopathy on Oct 11, 2017 1:23:36 GMT
Of course, given what DA4 will probably be about and who will be in it, this means that Sten and Solas might end up fighting. Or at least, like, doing a passive-aggressive shadow war thing. Which honestly I'm up for. I 100% did not believe the Qunari when they dismissed the Viddasala and her people as some rogue faction.Yeah, some people tend to forget the Qunari are evil and would totally support what the Viddasala is doing. I mean, Sten flat out admits that the Qun is going to invade one day and Iron Bull nonchalantly tells you that most of the DAI cast would be killed or brainwashed if the Qun ever took over. Fantasy 1984 aren't misunderstood nice guys.
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Post by mattjamho on Oct 11, 2017 9:04:34 GMT
Of course, given what DA4 will probably be about and who will be in it, this means that Sten and Solas might end up fighting. Or at least, like, doing a passive-aggressive shadow war thing. Which honestly I'm up for. I 100% did not believe the Qunari when they dismissed the Viddasala and her people as some rogue faction. I'd LOVE for DA4 to have Tevinter/Minrathous as the battle field in a war between the Elves and Qunari, with the vints caught in the middle. Think of the Mayhem.
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