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Post by malgus on Jun 6, 2017 20:13:40 GMT
I am absolutely not bothered with jaal becoming bi, it's not inconsistent to his character.
If cora or liam became bissexual with this patch when ingame dialogue clearly showed that they were not attracted to the same gender, I would think it was a bad thing because that would be against who they are.
But for Jaal? Nothing indicated that he was against romancing a male, we just did not get the chance as a scott ryder to say that we were interested, so no that change does not bother me.
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Post by Amirit on Jun 6, 2017 20:14:06 GMT
CC we have to see - changing texture is what modders did for some time, though, I am not sure in a way it will be added. And "universal hair" is definitely a good thing (though, more so for Scott).
As of Jaal... Bad move, just bad. Caving in on demand? Really?! Just like that? Bad precedent. They will never hear the end of it now. Looks like "all bi" is the only option for future games - what is the point of establishing character's sexuality with dialogs and banters, if it can be changed on the whim of some players?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 6, 2017 20:16:00 GMT
I did and it's not convincing for me. Why is that? It makes sense, given the lore of the Angara. It wasn't the original intend of the writers and they changed it just because people pressed them. So if I want to romance Suvi as male Ryder all I have to do is to open a hashtag.
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Post by wellsoul2 on Jun 6, 2017 20:16:37 GMT
It will be great that you can change Ryder's look mid game.
It's annoying how you make a character and are stuck with the hair or nose.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 6, 2017 20:17:05 GMT
Shit they really made Jaal bi. This is a really bad idea in every possible way On the bright side, Jaal is hideous. Hey, optimism really does work!
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Post by Steelcan on Jun 6, 2017 20:17:09 GMT
I did and it's not convincing for me. Why is that? It makes sense, given the lore of the Angara. "Lore of the Angara" there's no such thing, they're easily the least well described and put together of any ME species.
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Post by colfoley on Jun 6, 2017 20:17:28 GMT
Well the new head should be interesting as i was likely going to recreate Cass from the ground up so let's see what we got.
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Post by davkar on Jun 6, 2017 20:18:04 GMT
So ScottxSuvi is in the next patch, right?
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Post by Fredward on Jun 6, 2017 20:18:35 GMT
The real question is will Scott have a boner when Jaal is going down on him at that beach scene. :amirite:
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Post by dadithinkimgay on Jun 6, 2017 20:20:18 GMT
I am absolutely not bothered with jaal becoming bi, it's not inconsistent to his character. If cora or liam became bissexual with this patch when ingame dialogue clearly showed that they were not attracted to the same gender, I would think it was a bad thing because that would be against who they are. But for Jaal? Nothing indicated that he was against romancing a male, we just did not get the chance as a scott ryder to say that we were interested, so no that change does not bother me. I feel the same way. I'm gay myself, and would have enjoyed romancing Liam as Scott Ryder, however it wouldn't feel genuine if it were to be patched in because he previously stated that he wasn't into guys. With Jaal, the change rightfully follows the lore of his species and has never previously stated his disinterest male humans. Given that, it feels genuine and I welcome it.
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Post by Psychevore on Jun 6, 2017 20:20:26 GMT
I was just gonna make a new character, but I'ma wait for this now. For the rest the patch is rather meager, but I might gay romance Jaal. That chest seems way less of a problem, somehow. But I'll probably end up romancing Peebee or Cora, again
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Post by melbella on Jun 6, 2017 20:23:48 GMT
I am absolutely not bothered with jaal becoming bi, it's not inconsistent to his character. If cora or liam became bissexual with this patch when ingame dialogue clearly showed that they were not attracted to the same gender, I would think it was a bad thing because that would be against who they are. But for Jaal? Nothing indicated that he was against romancing a male, we just did not get the chance as a scott ryder to say that we were interested, so no that change does not bother me.There is actually one instance, after his loyalty mission. If you mention the scar looks badass, he'll say something along the lines of he'll now look more impressive to the females on the ship. I'm guessing that line will be/has been changed in the patch.
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Post by malgus on Jun 6, 2017 20:25:22 GMT
I am absolutely not bothered with jaal becoming bi, it's not inconsistent to his character. If cora or liam became bissexual with this patch when ingame dialogue clearly showed that they were not attracted to the same gender, I would think it was a bad thing because that would be against who they are. But for Jaal? Nothing indicated that he was against romancing a male, we just did not get the chance as a scott ryder to say that we were interested, so no that change does not bother me.There is actually one instance, after his loyalty mission. If you mention the scar looks badass, he'll say something along the lines of he'll now look more impressive to the females on the ship. I'm guessing that line will be/has been changed in the patch. Again that does not mean he is againt romancing a male, he might be a bi with preference for female, that is also possible.
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Post by Furisco on Jun 6, 2017 20:25:39 GMT
Can't wait to have my lightsaber battle with Jaal.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 6, 2017 20:26:01 GMT
Why is that? It makes sense, given the lore of the Angara. "Lore of the Angara" there's no such thing, they're easily the least well described and put together of any ME species. There's a datapad celebrating 2 male Angara getting married. Angara love not by gender but from the heart.
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Post by Steelcan on Jun 6, 2017 20:27:29 GMT
"Lore of the Angara" there's no such thing, they're easily the least well described and put together of any ME species. There's a datapad celebrating 2 male Angara getting married. Angara love not by gender but from the heart. Humans do the same thing these days, at least in reasonable countries. That's not an example of them being well described or well put together
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Post by turianlannister on Jun 6, 2017 20:27:35 GMT
Why is that? It makes sense, given the lore of the Angara. It wasn't the original intend of the writers and they changed it just because people pressed them. So if I want to romance Suvi as male Ryder all I have to do is to open a hashtag. Suvi was always intended as a lesbian by Sheryl Chee, bi Jaal was patched out of the game before release, it's not the same
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Post by Deleted on Jun 6, 2017 20:28:25 GMT
There's a datapad celebrating 2 male Angara getting married. Angara love not by gender but from the heart. Humans do the same thing these days, at least in reasonable countries. That's not an example of them being well described or well put together That's all we're gonna get for now. I think the BW guys assumed since MEA is a saga and not trilogy, they will expand the lore as each game happens. They seem to be going the DA route.
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Post by Steelcan on Jun 6, 2017 20:29:42 GMT
Humans do the same thing these days, at least in reasonable countries. That's not an example of them being well described or well put together That's all we're gonna get for now. I think the BW guys assumed since MEA is a saga and not trilogy, they will expand the lore as each game happens. They seem to be going the DA route. Well I hope that means we get an entirely new PC, a plot only tangentially related to the previous game, and an almost entirely new cast of characters. Such steps can only be improvements.
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Post by wellsoul2 on Jun 6, 2017 20:29:50 GMT
Why is that? It makes sense, given the lore of the Angara. "Lore of the Angara" there's no such thing, they're easily the least well described and put together of any ME species. It's funny how many people are obsessed with the romance options. I find it really weird that most aliens would want to romance a human, besides Asari because it is what they do. It's also untypical that so many characters are gay or bi in Bioware games. It's ok because it's what many people want but it's certainly not the real world..but then this is sci-fi. It's now especially funny with Jaal because half his people hate all aliens and that is a big thing in his loyalty mission. But it's all good...I just have to avoid that "big heart" dialogue option. Really I don't want to romance any of this crew or the other options..I thought about Peebee...but that face! Waking up to a racoon..no!
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Post by Amirit on Jun 6, 2017 20:30:32 GMT
But for Jaal? Nothing indicated that he was against romancing a male, we just did not get the chance as a scott ryder to say that we were interested, so no that change does not bother me. Sure thing, nothing ever indicated he was interested in ladies only - just a few ambient dialogs and his intensive flirting with Cora and PeeBee. And romance with Sara, but who cares about that, right? Actually, who cares about straight women in general? Always less options than straight males (and now less than gay) - check, those LI's are among least popular squd-mates - check, available LI's can be killed during story or cheat on you - check, LI's can suddenly change their sexuality - check. Guess, straight girls still should be thankful that they are able to get some LI's at all. Really, these are just some bunch of straight women, an obvious insignificant minority in the sea of BW fans.
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Post by Cyan_Griffonclaw on Jun 6, 2017 20:30:37 GMT
BioWare @bioware We're improving character creator and Scott Ryder's male romance options in @masseffect's upcoming patch blog.bioware.com/2017/06/06/mass-effect-andromeda-patch-1-08-notes/ … static.cdn.ea.com/blog.bioware.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/06/Jaal-2-1024x576.jpg
Mass Effect: Andromeda Patch 1.08 Notesby Author - Conal PiersePosted on - June 6, 2017 Along with continued improvements to Mass Effect: Andromeda, the upcoming patch 1.08 also addresses feedback we received from the community. Improved Character Creator We’ve expanded the options available in the character creator, giving you greater control over your Ryder’s appearance. Two new heads were added, one male and one female, as well as a new complexion option and a greater range of available skin tones. We also unlocked all hairstyles for both sexes, and added a new bald option. For players wanting to adjust their look mid-game, we added the ability to change your character’s appearance onboard the Tempest. And for fans of Alec Ryder’s iconic appearance, you can now choose to keep the default Alec, rather than having his appearance be based on your custom Ryder. Expanded Male Romance Options for Scott Ryder Scott Ryder can now pursue Jaal as a romance option. There are several important reasons for this change: Scott Ryder did not have a same-sex squadmate available as a romance option, nor could the achievement for completing three romances be achieved with only male same-sex partners. And as the angara have expressed their fluidity in how they perceive gender, it seemed only natural that Scott could have a relationship with Jaal. However, we understand that a character’s orientation is an important part of what makes them feel real. The relationships with your crew are some of the most loved and cherished parts of our games, so we wanted to make sure we got it right. We consulted with members of the LGBTQ community, both externally and within our own studios. After carefully considering all feedback, we decided this was an important change to make, and one that made sense for Jaal, Scott, and the angara. Our writing, editing, and animation teams worked together to ensure this change made sense for Jaal’s character, and the result is a relationship we hope feels as fulfilling and memorable for Scott as it does for Sara. You can find a full list of changes and improvements in the patch notes below. For notes in other languages, click here. Single player Ryder’s appearance can now be changed onboard the Tempest Expanded the range of options available in the character creator Jaal can now be romanced by Scott Ryder Dialogue for Hainly Abrams was adjusted to change the flow of personal information she discusses with Ryder. Fixed issue with Nomad upgrades Shield Crafting quest Nexus level and cryo pod points are retroactively granted Vendors now carry weapon mods for Level 60-71 players Vendors now sell weapon augmentations for automatic fire, burst fire, and single-shot fire Improved clarity of descriptions for augmentations Plasma Charge system now works properly for shotguns Beam Emitter augmentation now causes guns to fire a constant beam with scaling damage based on the weapon’s damage per second [PC] Added experimental support for Dolby Vision™ technology Multiplayer Stealth Grid challenge now increments properly Fiend no longer sprints when within 10 meters of target, and will decelerate to base speed Enabled movement correction during Fiend attacks to reduce incidence of players seeing Fiends attacking in the wrong direction Improved movement prediction for some enemies in tight spaces to reduce appearance of teleportation Fixed issue that prevented melee attacks if the revive icon was near center screen Fixed issue where ammo pick-up audio incorrectly played Fixed issue where Backlash could malfunction while moving Using Stealth and Recon Visor together no longer increases duration of invisibility for Turian Agent Fixed issue where weight reduction modifications wouldn’t reduce weight The Revive Pack Transmitter now displays the revive radius in the loadout screen Equipping the Cobra RPG now interrupts reloading Player turns to Adhi when getting synced to avoid teleportation issue Fixed issue where enemies would occasionally enter T-pose when hit Improved visual and audio cues for player ready status in Multiplayer lobbies Added “Lights” option to customization options Thank you
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Post by Steelcan on Jun 6, 2017 20:30:37 GMT
It wasn't the original intend of the writers and they changed it just because people pressed them. So if I want to romance Suvi as male Ryder all I have to do is to open a hashtag. Suvi was always planned as a lesbian by Sheryl Chee, bi Jaal was patched out of the game before release, it's not the same We don't know why it changed, we only know certain lines were recorded and on the disk, but that's been around in ME games since ME1 when Meer read lines only FemShep ever uttered since they were explicitly about being a woman.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 6, 2017 20:30:44 GMT
It wasn't the original intend of the writers and they changed it just because people pressed them. So if I want to romance Suvi as male Ryder all I have to do is to open a hashtag. Suvi was always planned as a lesbian by Sheryl Chee, bi Jaal was patched out of the game before release, it's not the same Doesn't matter. Their final desicion is to make Jaal straight and turned away from that, so if he can change so can Suvi. But I don't want a bi Suvi that was just an example, the point is that this is bad management
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