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Post by Deleted on Jun 18, 2017 15:03:50 GMT
I never said that though. I said I made some decent Oblivion toons, so CC is easy for me with any game. MEA has realistic human faces, with amazing expressions, bright eyes and many ways to shape them, but with DAI's style added it could have been even more amazing. So far DAI and MEA are my fav CC in all the games I've played. Sims 4 is my biggest hate. Whether you said it or not it is still true. MEA has realistic human faces?  Hehe, anyway... Sims 4 in particular is a vastly superior CC in terms of options, customization features, and ability to create any face you want to create (body too). Fallout 4 is another good recent example of a CC with functionality far superior to MEA's CC in the number of available adjustments that can be made and offers a far greater variety of options. MEA's CC is objectively worse in just about every area. Yeah because they are real life people scanned. That's your opinion. Not mine. |
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Post by rras1994 on Jun 18, 2017 15:11:00 GMT
I never said that though. I said I made some decent Oblivion toons, so CC is easy for me with any game. MEA has realistic human faces, with amazing expressions, bright eyes and many ways to shape them, but with DAI's style added it could have been even more amazing. So far DAI and MEA are my fav CC in all the games I've played. Sims 4 is my biggest hate. Whether you said it or not it is still true. MEA has realistic human faces? Hehe, anyway... Sims 4 in particular is a vastly superior CC in terms of options, customization features, and ability to create any face you want to create (body too). Fallout 4 is another good recent example of a CC with functionality far superior to MEA's CC in the number of available adjustments that can be made and offers a far greater variety of options. MEA's CC is objectively worse in just about every area. Are you really going to use the sims CAS system as an appropriate comparison for MEA CC? I mean that system is in practicality a third of the entire Sims game (the main areas that fans tend to go into is Create-A-Sim, Building, and "normal" gameplay). Hence, the developers in the sims spent ages making it and continue to update it and provide DLC for it. MEA is a traditional RPG, therefore the same budget just cannot be given to that area. It's just wrong to compare the two. |
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Whether you said it or not it is still true. MEA has realistic human faces? Hehe, anyway... Sims 4 in particular is a vastly superior CC in terms of options, customization features, and ability to create any face you want to create (body too). Fallout 4 is another good recent example of a CC with functionality far superior to MEA's CC in the number of available adjustments that can be made and offers a far greater variety of options. MEA's CC is objectively worse in just about every area. Are you really going to use the sims CAS system as an appropriate comparison for MEA CC? I mean that system is in practicality a third of the entire Sims game (the main areas that fans tend to go into is Create-A-Sim, Building, and "normal" gameplay). Hence, the developers in the sims spent ages making it and continue to update it and provide DLC for it. MEA is a traditional RPG, therefore the same budget just cannot be given to that area. It's just wrong to compare the two. For me I just hate it. I liked Sims 3 best for CC. |
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Post by decafhigh on Jun 18, 2017 15:16:05 GMT
Whether you said it or not it is still true. MEA has realistic human faces? Hehe, anyway... Sims 4 in particular is a vastly superior CC in terms of options, customization features, and ability to create any face you want to create (body too). Fallout 4 is another good recent example of a CC with functionality far superior to MEA's CC in the number of available adjustments that can be made and offers a far greater variety of options. MEA's CC is objectively worse in just about every area. Are you really going to use the sims CAS system as an appropriate comparison for MEA CC? I mean that system is in practicality a third of the entire Sims game (the main areas that fans tend to go into is Create-A-Sim, Building, and "normal" gameplay). Hence, the developers in the sims spent ages making it and continue to update it and provide DLC for it. MEA is a traditional RPG, therefore the same budget just cannot be given to that area. It's just wrong to compare the two. /shrug I wasn't the one that originally brought up the sims, but yeah comparing the CC's is fair to me. If you don't like it compare MEA to any other RPG then, FO4, Skyrim, Oblivion, heck even ME1 all have far more robust CC's than MEA. |
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Post by rras1994 on Jun 18, 2017 15:17:54 GMT
Are you really going to use the sims CAS system as an appropriate comparison for MEA CC? I mean that system is in practicality a third of the entire Sims game (the main areas that fans tend to go into is Create-A-Sim, Building, and "normal" gameplay). Hence, the developers in the sims spent ages making it and continue to update it and provide DLC for it. MEA is a traditional RPG, therefore the same budget just cannot be given to that area. It's just wrong to compare the two. For me I just hate it. I liked Sims 3 best for CC. I actually really like it because I like the cartoony style of the sims. Sims 3 wasn't as stylistic. But then I've always tended to love the Sims 2 style of game which the Sims 4 harks back to. Both are good games, just depends on what you prefer. Though the big gender patch they brought in for Sims 4 was really brilliant and I never thought EA would make that move in fear of offending people. Specially considering the resources that would take to make and it was free |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 18, 2017 15:21:29 GMT
For me I just hate it. I liked Sims 3 best for CC. I actually really like it because I like the cartoony style of the sims. Sims 3 wasn't as stylistic. But then I've always tended to love the Sims 2 style of game which the Sims 4 harks back to. Both are good games, just depends on what you prefer. Though the big gender patch they brought in for Sims 4 was really brilliant and I never thought EA would make that move in fear of offending people. Specially considering the resources that would take to make and it was free I think I miss the color wheel most. I liked that MEA had that for the outfits and makeup. EA may not like that gender stuff, but they do love money. It's probably one of the better things they allowed. |
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Post by yeah rip on Jun 18, 2017 15:22:40 GMT
 All the gloating in this thread makes me sad to actually be associated with certain communities. And then they wonder why people complain about agendas being "shoved in their faces".  Anyway.... Having played (a lot) those same older games is why I am so disappointed in MEA's CC. It lacks even the basic functionality of CC's much older than itself. When someone can point to Oblivion as a better CC than your game in 2017 you have utterly failed. I never said that though. I said I made some decent Oblivion toons, so CC is easy for me with any game. MEA has realistic human faces, with amazing expressions, bright eyes and many ways to shape them, but with DAI's style added it could have been even more amazing. So far DAI and MEA are my fav CC in all the games I've played. Sims 4 is my biggest hate. OT but the CC is the only part about Sims 4 that I liked Personally, I don't mind the CC in MEA and I really liked the new female preset, but I find it puzzling that a 2017 game doesn't have an option to alter the character's eye/nose/mouth shape. And that "eyebrows tied to complexion" thing... yeah. But I really have no business commenting on that, I play the default ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 18, 2017 15:23:39 GMT
I never said that though. I said I made some decent Oblivion toons, so CC is easy for me with any game. MEA has realistic human faces, with amazing expressions, bright eyes and many ways to shape them, but with DAI's style added it could have been even more amazing. So far DAI and MEA are my fav CC in all the games I've played. Sims 4 is my biggest hate. OT but the CC is the only part about Sims 4 that I liked Personally, I don't mind the CC in MEA and I really liked the new female preset, but I find it puzzling that a 2017 game doesn't have an option to alter the character's eye/nose/mouth shape. And that "eyebrows tied to complexion" thing... yeah. But I really have no business commenting on that, I play the default ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ I made my own default Sara. That one I was able to tone the lip color with at least lol |
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Post by yeah rip on Jun 18, 2017 15:26:59 GMT
OT but the CC is the only part about Sims 4 that I liked Personally, I don't mind the CC in MEA and I really liked the new female preset, but I find it puzzling that a 2017 game doesn't have an option to alter the character's eye/nose/mouth shape. And that "eyebrows tied to complexion" thing... yeah. But I really have no business commenting on that, I play the default ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ I made my own default Sara. That one I was able to tone the lip color with at least lol Ooh, could you share pictures? I just used a mod to get rid of the lipstick. |
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I made my own default Sara. That one I was able to tone the lip color with at least lol Ooh, could you share pictures? I just used a mod to get rid of the lipstick.  |
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Post by melbella on Jun 18, 2017 15:46:50 GMT
Odd thing to say, there were some 30 advertised gameplay, quest and dialogue option patch adjustments, which were largely well received. I don't know what patch notes you are reading?
Could you please direct me to the FULL patch notes list? It isn't in this thread, at least as far as SP goes.
All that is listed is:
Ryder’s appearance can now be changed onboard the Tempest
Expanded the range of options available in the character creator
Jaal can now be romanced by Scott Ryder
Dialogue for Hainly Abrams was adjusted to change the flow of personal information she discusses with Ryder.
Fixed issue with Nomad upgrades Shield Crafting quest
Nexus level and cryo pod points are retroactively granted
Vendors now carry weapon mods for Level 60-71 players
Vendors now sell weapon augmentations for automatic fire, burst fire, and single-shot fire
Improved clarity of descriptions for augmentations
Plasma Charge system now works properly for shotguns
Beam Emitter augmentation now causes guns to fire a constant beam with scaling damage based on the weapon’s damage per second
[PC] Added experimental support for Dolby Vision™ technology
Where does the number 30 come from based on this?
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Post by Kian on Jun 18, 2017 17:43:13 GMT
So basically 45 pages of whinny little bees trying to mask homophobia with lame "they could have used the *resources* to make Jaal bi for something else waaah" or "he was str8 at release and that's it gosh darn it waaah" and on and on. But no matter how much you try to polish it, a turd is a turd. It's basically set on repeat every 2-3 pages, since people like this lack the intelligence to come up with something original so they are just parroting each other. Either way, a pathetic display. It has it's upside though. I don't have to pay to go to the zoo and see chimps (or was it baboons? meh they're both kind of hysterical so it works either way) scream and throw poo at each other, I can come here.  |
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Post by Rouccoco on Jun 18, 2017 18:43:03 GMT
MTE. That explains it. I don't have much patience with CCs if the default one pleases me already, even less it sucks to pull some good out of it, like MEA's. I'm not as frustrated, but I get yours. DAI's was quite decent, hard to understand the downgrade. In fact, it's hard to understand how all of this happened with MEA. Hopefully, a sequel builds on the foundation and expands it for good. My guess is the MEA team was less experienced with the engine than the DAI team, and had less time to master it (DAI was delayed). Frostbite is apparently not the best choice for games like DA and ME, and is more suited for games like Battlefront and Anthem. EA wants all their games on Frostbite though, so they have to find a way to make it work. Sims 4 was a near disaster when they made it on that engine too. My fav were the horror babies in it. That glitch was a mother's nightmare! They looked like Slenderman's offspring. Frostbite is a great engine, Montreal needed more people that know what they're doing and not a different engine. Also: DAI: pre-prod - 2011; shipped - 2014 MEA: pre-prod - 2012; shipped - 2017 And the DA team delivered all the missing RPG mechanics by the time Andromeda went into full production, and they had to support 5 platforms, unlike MEA, which only ran on 3. All that after years of being used to Aurora/Eclipse. Montreal simply lacks skill and experience. Also, I don't know what nonsense you've read, the Sims never came even close to using Frostbite. Maxis makes their own game engines. Those games are so specific, wrangling FB to work with it would probably be not worth the effort. But for the rest it makes sense. FIFA introduced a story mode thanks to the tools the DA team made, and MEA used driving mechanics made by the NFS team. Unifying development under one engine was one of the few great ideas EA had. |
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My guess is the MEA team was less experienced with the engine than the DAI team, and had less time to master it (DAI was delayed). Frostbite is apparently not the best choice for games like DA and ME, and is more suited for games like Battlefront and Anthem. EA wants all their games on Frostbite though, so they have to find a way to make it work. Sims 4 was a near disaster when they made it on that engine too. My fav were the horror babies in it. That glitch was a mother's nightmare! They looked like Slenderman's offspring. Frostbite is a great engine, Montreal needed more people that know what they're doing and not a different engine. Also: DAI: pre-prod - 2011; shipped - 2014 MEA: pre-prod - 2012; shipped - 2017 And the DA team delivered all the missing RPG mechanics by the time Andromeda went into full production, and they had to support 5 platforms, unlike MEA, which only ran on 3. All that after years of being used to Aurora/Eclipse. Montreal simply lacks skill and experience.Also, I don't know what nonsense you've read, the Sims never came even close to using Frostbite. Maxis makes their own game engines. Those games are so specific, wrangling FB to work with it would probably be not worth the effort. But for the rest it makes sense. FIFA introduced a story mode thanks to the tools the DA team made, and MEA used driving mechanics made by the NFS team. Unifying development under one engine was one of the few great ideas EA had. So yeah basically what I said. As for Sims 4, just going by what others said in the beginning, since I won't touch that trash anymore and haven't for years. EA ruins everything it touches for me. |
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Post by Rouccoco on Jun 18, 2017 18:55:08 GMT
So yeah basically what I said. Except for the stuff about Frostbite, sure. Also, EA had control over Sims since day one, took their sweet time destroying the franchise for you. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 18, 2017 18:56:42 GMT
So yeah basically what I said. Except for the stuff about Frostbite, sure. Hard to say anything about something I don't agree with. I don't like Frostbite at all. It's not great to me. |
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Post by Rouccoco on Jun 18, 2017 19:01:09 GMT
Except for the stuff about Frostbite, sure. Hard to say anything about something I don't agree with. I don't like Frostbite at all. It's not great to me. Saying Sims 4 is using it and that it is not meant for games like DA and ME is blatantly false, regardless of your personal opinion. |
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Hard to say anything about something I don't agree with. I don't like Frostbite at all. It's not great to me. Saying Sims 4 is using it and that it is not meant for games like DA and ME is blatantly false, regardless of your personal opinion. Did you read my post? I said I heard what I heard and don't care. And yeah others have said it too. DA and ME are not where Frostbite shines. Frostbite is all about looks and graphics and trying to eat my computer alive. I play games for their story, not for how real they look. All people want nowadays is perfect looking everything and that's not what RPG's are about. |
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Post by rras1994 on Jun 18, 2017 19:09:00 GMT
So yeah basically what I said. Except for the stuff about Frostbite, sure. Also, EA had control over Sims since day one, took their sweet time destroying the franchise for you. Also, EA has put alot of resources into Sims 4 and improved it immensely since launch - a lot through free patches. Just cus you don't like Sims 4 compared to 3 doesn't mean EA is deliberately destroying the franchise. They are two different games - Sims 4 is mainly influenced by Sims 2 which considering how much hate Sims 3 got when it launched for the changes is probably influencing the direction. Sims 4 also doesn't have the Sims Store which was heavily criticized for basically being a money grab. EA has mucked up in the past but I've seen them make many great steps forward in the last few years and I am kinda fed up with EA being made the bogeyman. |
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Except for the stuff about Frostbite, sure. Also, EA had control over Sims since day one, took their sweet time destroying the franchise for you. Also, EA has put alot of resources into Sims 4 and improved it immensely since launch - a lot through free patches. Just cus you don't like Sims 4 compared to 3 doesn't mean EA is deliberately destroying the franchise. They are two different games - Sims 4 is mainly influenced by Sims 2 which considering how much hate Sims 3 got when it launched for the changes is probably influencing the direction. Sims 4 also doesn't have the Sims Store which was heavily criticized for basically being a money grab. EA has mucked up in the past but I've seen them make many great steps forward in the last few years and I am kinda fed up with EA being made the bogeyman. I hate EA and always will. My opinion. My feelings. This entire discussion is going no where with anyone, so I am done replying to anyone about it. |
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Post by rras1994 on Jun 18, 2017 19:14:11 GMT
Also, EA has put alot of resources into Sims 4 and improved it immensely since launch - a lot through free patches. Just cus you don't like Sims 4 compared to 3 doesn't mean EA is deliberately destroying the franchise. They are two different games - Sims 4 is mainly influenced by Sims 2 which considering how much hate Sims 3 got when it launched for the changes is probably influencing the direction. Sims 4 also doesn't have the Sims Store which was heavily criticized for basically being a money grab. EA has mucked up in the past but I've seen them make many great steps forward in the last few years and I am kinda fed up with EA being made the bogeyman. I hate EA and always will. My opinion. My feelings. This entire discussion is going no where with anyone, so I am done replying to anyone about it. There's a difference between your opinions and spreading wrong information. You said that Sims 4 was made with Frostbite. Biotic Apostate correctly told you that it wasn't and you were kinda rude about it. You may not have meant to come across that way but that's how it seemed |
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Post by Rouccoco on Jun 18, 2017 19:22:36 GMT
Saying Sims 4 is using it and that it is not meant for games like DA and ME is blatantly false, regardless of your personal opinion. Did you read my post? I said I heard what I heard and don't care. And yeah others have said it too. DA and ME are not where Frostbite shines. Frostbite is all about looks and graphics and trying to eat my computer alive. I play games for their story, not for how real they look. All people want nowadays is perfect looking everything and that's not what RPG's are about. A game engine does way more than just dictate how a game looks. And it's not like a good RPG has to look ugly. And I don't care, who else said it. I saw you saying S4 runs on Frostbite, noticed nobody corrected you yet, and did just that. |
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Post by setokaiba on Jun 18, 2017 19:24:56 GMT
Holy shit there are a lot of retards on this forum. As for the CC you can have a good one but use scans. Just look at the WWE2K and NBA2K series 2k gets mocked quite a bit for those scans, they really aren't that good.  there are youtube videos of people scanning themselves and it looks like them. The default scans are great but you can make a great looking character |
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Post by SofaJockey on Jun 18, 2017 19:27:46 GMT
And the thread needs to take a rest while some serious cleaning up happens. UPDATE: After reviewing not only recent pages, but much of the thread, it's pretty clear that that there's more salt and unpleasantness than can be reasonably cleaned up, so as people have shared their views at length about the patch, we're closing the thread here. And when these debates surface on other threads, let's be a bit nicer to each other. [x] Stay classy, BSN  |
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