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Post by decafhigh on Jun 7, 2017 13:39:54 GMT
No one noticed that Angara are transsexual now? Hahahahaha! I went back and re-read the patch notes, and yeah you are right. Everyone has kinda glossed over the fact they just made the whole Angara species Transgender. LOL
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Post by Deleted on Jun 7, 2017 13:43:16 GMT
No one noticed that Angara are transsexual now? Hahahahaha! I went back and re-read the patch notes, and yeah you are right. Everyone has kinda glossed over the fact they just made the whole Angara species Transgender. LOL In-game comment started that.
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Post by aglomeracja on Jun 7, 2017 13:47:08 GMT
No one noticed that Angara are transsexual now? What? "Scott Ryder did not have a same-sex squadmate available as a romance option, nor could the achievement for completing three romances be achieved with only male same-sex partners. And as the angara have expressed their fluidity in how they perceive gender, it seemed only natural that Scott could have a relationship with Jaal."
That.
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Post by dalinne on Jun 7, 2017 13:47:43 GMT
I think you are overreacting. If you use Anders as an example, you should pointed out Sebastian, the only love interest in DA2 who was explicitly straight was for women. Cullen and Blackwall were explicitly straight also (for women). Cullen's case is especially interesting because he was added later in the process stage. MET? Yep, straight women were screwed (only two companions LI present in the three games: one of them could be possibly dead and abstent in the second game, the other one wasn't romanceable in the first game and possibly not romanceable in the thrird). The same way Lesbian women were screwed (only one companion, Liara, and one crewmate by the time of ME3). Or Gay man (only ONE squadmate by ME3, one who could be possibly dead and one crewmate. NO OTHER CHOICE from ME1 to ME2!). The only one player benefited by the system was the straight male Shepard. Moral of the story? Let your character be bisexual, DOUBLE OF POSSIBILITIES!!! Also, some people discover their sexuality later in their lives. Some bisexuals, for example, don't know they can be attracted to the same sex until it happens some way or another and they are not necessarily attracted 50/50 to the two sexes. Cullen was not for ALL women. Qunari and Dwarves were left out. But both LIs for a straight male, added later were locked out for 50 to 75% of the races. All LIs that were address to the male PC did not shun ANY race.
Sebastian is a part of a PAID DLC. All LIs for a male came free with the game.
Attempting to even suggest that it would have nice to make Dorian bi nets you a suspicion of being a horrible horrible person, but Kaiden and Jaal opened to a male PC is fine. I am perfectly fine with it, but I wish we did not have a double-standard.
Not a horrible person, just one without perspective. It's very tiring to reminder this, but anyway: Dorian and Sera were the first gay companions (not squadmates) romanceable in the history of DA y ME games. Before them, there is NO GAY OR LESBIAN companions in DA1-2 nor ME1-3. We have 2 bisexuals and 2 straights 0 gay 0 lesbian in DA1, 2 bisexuals in DA2 0(or 1) straight, 0 lesbian, 0 gay. In ME1 you have 2 straights, 1 bi/asarisexual, ME2 6 straight people, 0 bisexual, 0 lesbian, 0 gay. Then in ME3 we have the first gay option for MShep but he is crewmate and as COMPANIONS 1-2 bisexuals (Liara an AliveKaidan), then 2-3 straight options (Tali, Garrus, AliveAsh), 0 gay companion, 0 lesbian companion. DAI: COMPANIONS 1 bisexual (Bull), 1 gay, 1 lesbian, 3 straight people (Black, Solas, Casandra) and as advisors 1 bisexual (Josephine) and 1 straight. MEA: COMPANIONS: before 3 straights (Cora, Liam, Jaal), 2 bisexuals (Peebee, Vetra) 0 gay 0 lesbian; now: 2 straights, 3 bisexuals 0 gay, 0 lesbians.; CREWMEMBERS: 1 gay, 1 lesbian. Even in MEA THERE IS NO GAY OR LESBIAN COMPANIONS. Don't you see it's not the same to change the small number of gay/lesbian options to bi that changing the number of straight options to bi? Do you see it's not the same to take THE ONLY GAY COMPANIONS EVER (Sera and Dorian) and make them bisexual? I will say it again: it's not about being a bad person, it's more about being selfish.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 7, 2017 13:47:58 GMT
If you talk to the Angaran Ambassador on the Nexus, he mentions it (the gender thing).
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Post by bizantura on Jun 7, 2017 13:50:58 GMT
Maybe I just don't get it, but making Jaal bi helped gay players with things besides romancing him, and Sara's romance is still amazing, so why is this so bad? Everyone gets Jaal and it seems the romances will be slightly different and not a copy and paste either, so Sara's story with him is still hers. If people have to be "considerate" that gay romances must be able to get their 3 romance achievement with gay romances only it sure would be "considate" that a straight female up front knows if she is romancing a Swiss army knife and has a choice to decline. I am sure our future todlers will be total adjusted to all posibilities and will have the small difficulty knowing to present their front or rear end but until then, yes, my vastly dwindling free choice is also important.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 7, 2017 13:52:06 GMT
Maybe I just don't get it, but making Jaal bi helped gay players with things besides romancing him, and Sara's romance is still amazing, so why is this so bad? Everyone gets Jaal and it seems the romances will be slightly different and not a copy and paste either, so Sara's story with him is still hers. If people have to be "considerate" that gay romances must be able to get their 3 romance achievement with gay romances only it sure would be "considate" that a straight female up front knows if she is romancing a Swiss army knife and has a choice to decline. I am sure our future todlers will be total adjusted to all posibilities and will have the small difficulty knowing to present their front or rear end but until then, yes, my vastly dwindling free choice is also important. It's a game.
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Post by christsuperstar on Jun 7, 2017 13:52:27 GMT
I miss the days where companies didn't care about trivial shit like this. Want the three romance achievement? Date a chick. Why is this important again? Then it would have been no issue at all for straight players to play a gay romance to get their 3 romances achievement. Actually, I can imagine the crying and wailing that such an eventuality would generate given the complaints at Anders even daring to flirt with male Hawke (DA2) So no, it's not trivial shit just because you personally are not benefiting from the corrective content and to suggest so is rather selfish in my view. Correct, it's an achievement - something that at times actually require one to go out of bounds to get. So no, it shouldn't matter, and what they should do, is envision and create a character, and stay true to that - gay/straight/bi, don't give a fuck, as long as it makes sense. Fact is, a minority of people are gay/bi. Somehow, a majority ends up in my inner circle. Go figure. They really should go back to BG2 style in that department - both in depth, restrictions and not fully knowing what events and dialogue prompts it. You know, something a bit more akin to real life.
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Post by dalinne on Jun 7, 2017 13:55:31 GMT
Maybe I just don't get it, but making Jaal bi helped gay players with things besides romancing him, and Sara's romance is still amazing, so why is this so bad? Everyone gets Jaal and it seems the romances will be slightly different and not a copy and paste either, so Sara's story with him is still hers. If people have to be "considerate" that gay romances must be able to get their 3 romance achievement with gay romances only it sure would be "considate" that a straight female up front knows if she is romancing a Swiss army knife and has a choice to decline. I am sure our future todlers will be total adjusted to all posibilities and will have the small difficulty knowing to present their front or rear end but until then, yes, my vastly dwindling free choice is also important. Please, tell me you haven't just compared bisexual people with Swiss Army knives. Wait, that is strangely empowering.
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Post by bizantura on Jun 7, 2017 13:56:37 GMT
If people have to be "considerate" that gay romances must be able to get their 3 romance achievement with gay romances only it sure would be "considate" that a straight female up front knows if she is romancing a Swiss army knife and has a choice to decline. I am sure our future todlers will be total adjusted to all posibilities and will have the small difficulty knowing to present their front or rear end but until then, yes, my vastly dwindling free choice is also important. It's a game. A RPG game!
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Post by dalinne on Jun 7, 2017 13:57:16 GMT
By the way: patch 8? WHEN patch 7 happenned? What else did I miss??
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Post by Deleted on Jun 7, 2017 13:57:49 GMT
Cullen was not for ALL women. Qunari and Dwarves were left out. But both LIs for a straight male, added later were locked out for 50 to 75% of the races. All LIs that were address to the male PC did not shun ANY race.
Sebastian is a part of a PAID DLC. All LIs for a male came free with the game.
Attempting to even suggest that it would have nice to make Dorian bi nets you a suspicion of being a horrible horrible person, but Kaiden and Jaal opened to a male PC is fine. I am perfectly fine with it, but I wish we did not have a double-standard.
Not a horrible person, just one without perspective. It's very tiring to reminder this, but anyway: Dorian and Sera were the first gay companions (not squadmates) romanceable in the history of DA y ME games. Before them, there is NO GAY OR LESBIAN companions in DA1-2 nor ME1-3. We have 2 bisexuals and 2 straights 0 gay 0 lesbian in DA1, 2 bisexuals in DA2 0(or 1) straight, 0 lesbian, 0 gay. In ME1 you have 2 straights, 1 bi/asarisexual, ME2 6 straight people, 0 bisexual, 0 lesbian, 0 gay. Then in ME3 we have the first gay option for MShep but he is crewmate and as COMPANIONS 1-2 bisexuals (Liara an AliveKaidan), then 2-3 straight options (Tali, Garrus, AliveAsh), 0 gay companion, 0 lesbian companion. DAI: COMPANIONS 1 bisexual (Bull), 1 gay, 1 lesbian, 3 straight people (Black, Solas, Casandra) and as advisors 1 bisexual (Josephine) and 1 straight. MEA: COMPANIONS: before 3 straights (Cora, Liam, Jaal), 2 bisexuals (Peebee, Vetra) 0 gay 0 lesbian; now: 2 straights, 3 bisexuals 0 gay, 0 lesbians.; CREWMEMBERS: 1 gay, 1 lesbian. Even in MEA THERE IS NO GAY OR LESBIAN COMPANIONS. Don't you see it's not the same to change the small number of gay/lesbian options to bi that changing the number of straight options to bi? Do you see it's not the same to take THE ONLY GAY COMPANIONS EVER (Sera and Dorian) and make them bisexual? I will say it again: it's not about being a bad person, it's more about being selfish.
What I see is that I cannot create a FEMALE character with the same flexibility of racial choices and great plot-important lovestories with attractive characters as a MALE one in Inquisition, and that is why I prefer how the things were done in DA2, not the way they were done in Inquisition (or Andromeda).
In Inquisition, NONE of the 4 romances I would have liked to try were opened to my Female PC. NONE OUT OF FOUR because I was a FEMALE. If I were a MALE, I'd have 2/4 romances I wanted to try available to me.
I don't want this to be the case again. And I can see how it is frustrating to peeps in Andromeda when Jaal is not available for them, even though the situation is way better there for a MALE than mine was in Inquisition for a FEMALE.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 7, 2017 13:58:36 GMT
A roleplaying game game? What?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 7, 2017 13:58:54 GMT
Haha yeah so we can RP how we all want to see Jaal.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 7, 2017 14:01:40 GMT
I think you are overreacting. If you use Anders as an example, you should pointed out Sebastian, the only love interest in DA2 who was explicitly straight was for women. Cullen and Blackwall were explicitly straight also (for women). Cullen's case is especially interesting because he was added later in the process stage. MET? Yep, straight women were screwed (only two companions LI present in the three games: one of them could be possibly dead and abstent in the second game, the other one wasn't romanceable in the first game and possibly not romanceable in the thrird). The same way Lesbian women were screwed (only one companion, Liara, and one crewmate by the time of ME3). Or Gay man (only ONE squadmate by ME3, one who could be possibly dead and one crewmate. NO OTHER CHOICE from ME1 to ME2!). The only one player benefited by the system was the straight male Shepard. Moral of the story? Let your character be bisexual, DOUBLE OF POSSIBILITIES!!! Also, some people discover their sexuality later in their lives. Some bisexuals, for example, don't know they can be attracted to the same sex until it happens some way or another and they are not necessarily attracted 50/50 to the two sexes. Cullen was not for ALL women. Qunari and Dwarves were left out, because I guess if you like these races you are not supposed to fall for nice human guys as you are an abomination of the womanhood or some such. But both LIs for a straight female, added later, were locked out for 50 to 75% of the races. All LIs that were address to the male PC did not shun ANY race. Probably because Cullen grew up in Ferelden and served at a Mage's Circle most of his life. What kind of women can be mages? Human and Elves. It is only natural that he would be attracted to them over races he has never seen before.
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Post by dalinne on Jun 7, 2017 14:06:18 GMT
Not a horrible person, just one without perspective. It's very tiring to reminder this, but anyway: Dorian and Sera were the first gay companions (not squadmates) romanceable in the history of DA y ME games. Before them, there is NO GAY OR LESBIAN companions in DA1-2 nor ME1-3. We have 2 bisexuals and 2 straights 0 gay 0 lesbian in DA1, 2 bisexuals in DA2 0(or 1) straight, 0 lesbian, 0 gay. In ME1 you have 2 straights, 1 bi/asarisexual, ME2 6 straight people, 0 bisexual, 0 lesbian, 0 gay. Then in ME3 we have the first gay option for MShep but he is crewmate and as COMPANIONS 1-2 bisexuals (Liara an AliveKaidan), then 2-3 straight options (Tali, Garrus, AliveAsh), 0 gay companion, 0 lesbian companion. DAI: COMPANIONS 1 bisexual (Bull), 1 gay, 1 lesbian, 3 straight people (Black, Solas, Casandra) and as advisors 1 bisexual (Josephine) and 1 straight. MEA: COMPANIONS: before 3 straights (Cora, Liam, Jaal), 2 bisexuals (Peebee, Vetra) 0 gay 0 lesbian; now: 2 straights, 3 bisexuals 0 gay, 0 lesbians.; CREWMEMBERS: 1 gay, 1 lesbian. Even in MEA THERE IS NO GAY OR LESBIAN COMPANIONS. Don't you see it's not the same to change the small number of gay/lesbian options to bi that changing the number of straight options to bi? Do you see it's not the same to take THE ONLY GAY COMPANIONS EVER (Sera and Dorian) and make them bisexual? I will say it again: it's not about being a bad person, it's more about being selfish.
What I see is that I cannot create a FEMALE character with the same flexibility of racial choices and great plot-important lovestories with attractive characters as a MALE one in Inquisition, and that is why I prefer how the things were done in DA2, not the way they were done in Inquisition (or Andromeda).
In Inquisition, NONE of the 4 romances I would have liked to try were opened to my Female PC. NONE OUT OF FOUR because I was a FEMALE. If I were a MALE, I'd have 2/4 romances I wanted to try available to me.
I don't want this to be the case again. And I can see how it is frustrating to peeps in Andromeda when Jaal is not available for them, even though the situation is way better there for a MALE than mine was in Inquisition for a FEMALE.
I played as a female elf just to have the best number of options to be available. I wanted to be anything except an elf or human. I wanted to be a female Qunari or a female Dwarf. Yep, those race-locked rejections were the worst of the worst
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Post by sjsharp2010 on Jun 7, 2017 14:08:03 GMT
By the way: patch 8? WHEN patch 7 happenned? What else did I miss?? Patch 7 was just a hot fix for those having difficulty accessing the new Athletic outfit. Patch 8 I assume is coming tomorrow given we got the notes for them yesterday.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 7, 2017 14:09:20 GMT
Cullen was not for ALL women. Qunari and Dwarves were left out, because I guess if you like these races you are not supposed to fall for nice human guys as you are an abomination of the womanhood or some such. But both LIs for a straight female, added later, were locked out for 50 to 75% of the races. All LIs that were address to the male PC did not shun ANY race. Probably because Cullen grew up in Ferelden and served at a Mage's Circle most of his life. What kind of women can be mages? Human and Elves. It is only natural that he would be attracted to them over races he has never seen before. And, that's the whole point. How easy and convenient it is to justify the exclusion of options for FEMALE PCs. But do so for a MALE PC... and all storms break lose. A MALE PC is always just right for everyone, apparently. He does not have to comply with the exacting standard on height or weight or appearance or sexuality.
So, apparently it is Okay to pull a marginal lore trick out of one's behind, so that 50% if FEMALE PC are left with the options that either represent a very specific sexuality choices you do have to buy in: (Asexual, BDSM and a Lesbian) or are with a character that killed children in the past.
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Post by Iakus on Jun 7, 2017 14:14:38 GMT
I miss the days where companies didn't care about trivial shit like this. Want the three romance achievement? Date a chick. Why is this important again? Then it would have been no issue at all for straight players to play a gay romance to get their 3 romances achievement. Actually, I can imagine the crying and wailing that such an eventuality would generate given the complaints at Anders even daring to flirt with male Hawke (DA2) So no, it's not trivial shit just because you personally are not benefiting from the corrective content and to suggest so is rather selfish in my view. Just want to point something out: DAO had an achievement for doing ALL the romances. Which did in fact require at least one male and one female run through the game. How much complaining was there for that achievement? (genuinely curious, I was not on BSN at he time)
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Post by dreman999 on Jun 7, 2017 14:14:45 GMT
legs are fine. More asari faces are not going to happen. Their priorities are difficult to understand. They have a game that's goofy looking from start to end, but their #1 priority is to add an alien romance and modify lines for a character a small fraction of players will ever encounter or talk to. you don't understand anything With perportion of the human body. A normal person is measured to be 7 to 8.5 heads tall.Basically measure the length of the head and use that measure the body. en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Body_proportionsRyder is in the measure of 7 heads. That is the perportion of a normal person. Shepard is 8.5 heads.....that's normal done with comic superheros and super tall people. Sorry but proportion wise Ryder and the cast are fine and with in the proportion of the average person.
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Post by dreman999 on Jun 7, 2017 14:15:18 GMT
Don't be silly, the pic with Ryder is actually slightly viewed from the top as with Shepard its a perfectly frontal view. Of course this makes the upper half of his body appear bigger and his legs smaller and shorter. Just look at the feet to get an idea of the angle. I am not happy with male Ryders build either, I find him to look too scrawny for his job, especially compared to Shepard, but his proportions are ok for an average guy. Actually, his lower legs are too short. They are just as short as Sara's, who is overall shorter than him, so Scott has the lower legs of a clearly shorter person. His height comes from his stretched out torso. Just switch quickly between Scott and Sara in the character creator and you'll see their knees are at the same height, and everything above that is more stretched out to make Scott taller. no they are not.
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Post by Iakus on Jun 7, 2017 14:16:23 GMT
What I see is that I cannot create a FEMALE character with the same flexibility of racial choices and great plot-important lovestories with attractive characters as a MALE one in Inquisition, and that is why I prefer how the things were done in DA2, not the way they were done in Inquisition (or Andromeda).
In Inquisition, NONE of the 4 romances I would have liked to try were opened to my Female PC. NONE OUT OF FOUR because I was a FEMALE. If I were a MALE, I'd have 2/4 romances I wanted to try available to me.
I don't want this to be the case again. And I can see how it is frustrating to peeps in Andromeda when Jaal is not available for them, even though the situation is way better there for a MALE than mine was in Inquisition for a FEMALE.
I played as a female elf just to have the best number of options to be available. I wanted to be anything except an elf or human. I wanted to be a female Qunari or a female Dwarf. Yep, those race-locked rejections were the worst of the worst I played a female Dalish elf just to do the Solas romance. It's not the worst, it simply encouraged me to try something new.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 7, 2017 14:18:32 GMT
Probably because Cullen grew up in Ferelden and served at a Mage's Circle most of his life. What kind of women can be mages? Human and Elves. It is only natural that he would be attracted to them over races he has never seen before. And, that's the whole point. How easy and convenient it is to justify the exclusion of options for FEMALE PCs. But do so for a MALE PC... and all storms break lose. A MALE PC is always just right for everyone, apparently. He does not have to comply with the exacting standard on height or weight or appearance or sexuality.
So, apparently it is Okay to pull a marginal lore trick, so that 50% if FEMALE PC are left with the options that either represent a very specific sexuality choices you do have to buy in: (Asexual, BDSM and a Lesbian) or are with a character that killed children in the past.
Ok then lets just say it as it is. Dragon Age had 4 races, all different heights, so each scene has to be touched up and possibly re-done per race. That means a lot of work compared to something like Andromeda. They probably didn't have the time or budget to squeeze in all races for both Solas and Cullen who was both added late in the production as romances. Therefore they pulled the lore card. Also to Blackwall's defense. You don't know if Blackwall killed the children, you only know he ordered the mission to be carried out. Also to his defense he didn't know Lord Callier would be traveling with his family. It was greed and bad luck combined. Small edit - I would've cut Qunari as a playable race. I don't think it added enough to the game to be justified.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 7, 2017 14:19:20 GMT
Then it would have been no issue at all for straight players to play a gay romance to get their 3 romances achievement. Actually, I can imagine the crying and wailing that such an eventuality would generate given the complaints at Anders even daring to flirt with male Hawke (DA2) So no, it's not trivial shit just because you personally are not benefiting from the corrective content and to suggest so is rather selfish in my view. Just want to point something out: DAO had an achievement for doing ALL the romances. Which did in fact require at least one male and one female run through the game. How much complaining was there for that achievement? (genuinely curious, I was not on BSN at he time) I have never seen any complaints for that achievement. I don't think the achievement was the reason though, but it just added fuel to the fire.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 7, 2017 14:22:59 GMT
I played as a female elf just to have the best number of options to be available. I wanted to be anything except an elf or human. I wanted to be a female Qunari or a female Dwarf. Yep, those race-locked rejections were the worst of the worst I played a female Dalish elf just to do the Solas romance. It's not the worst, it simply encouraged me to try something new. Not everyone plays the game in a way of repeat play-throughs to sample all content. I prefer a run where I can play a PC that I totally adore AND with a grand lovestory. Inquisition gating prevented me from ever being able to satisfy my playstyle.
And the difference in how the LIs interpret a male and a female avatar is grating, because it is only the female that is locked out based on race, and because the initial options for a female PC are... not great.
On the other hand, DA2 was right on the money with that.
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