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Post by Iakus on Jun 7, 2017 15:23:43 GMT
Why does having a character rebuff flirts for certain characters make that character "second best?" Suvi rebuffed my broRyder's advances, should he feel sub-par? No one is attracted to everybody. If my character says certain things, acts certain ways, and yes, looks a certain way, then it should affect how potential LIs see me. Romancing a character should be more than hitting the Flirt or Heart icon. It should be based on who and what my character is, and who and what the prospective LI is. While I don't disagree it SHOULD be more than that, reality is it isn't. We are a long way from having a system that can actually simulate characters having preferences and choosing LI's based on realistic attractions. And for what the romances amount to in these games I don't really see the value in BW restricting them the way they do. I think we're closer to it than that. The thing is, romances are (or were, or perhaps should be) a fairly minor part of the game, and it simply isn't cost effective enough to spend that many resources to simulate such preferences (much cheaper to motion-capture some pelvic thrusting, I guess... ) But I still think they should be more complex than just hitting the Flirt dialogue option and they fall into bed with you.
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Post by Psychevore on Jun 7, 2017 15:26:37 GMT
"Scott Ryder did not have a same-sex squadmate available as a romance option, nor could the achievement for completing three romances be achieved with only male same-sex partners. And as the angara have expressed their fluidity in how they perceive gender, it seemed only natural that Scott could have a relationship with Jaal."
That. Gender and sex is not the same thing. Try again.
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Post by dreman999 on Jun 7, 2017 15:27:34 GMT
but that is story based. Cullen only been around humans and elves. And solas...is really racist. If you wanted more options than play an elf. Off-topic, but Solas isn't racist. Lol. yes he is. Play him as any other race other then an elf and be his friend and you get a "your one of the good ones of your heathen race" conversation. He is racist.(note got it play a qunari.)
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Post by Melcara on Jun 7, 2017 15:30:53 GMT
Off-topic, but Solas isn't racist. Lol. yes he is. Play him as any other race other then an elf and be his friend and you get a "your one of the good ones of your heathen race" conversation. He is racist.(note got it play a qunari.) He's prejudiced. But not racist. You're also forgetting that he slanders the Dalish too, who are - guess what - elves.
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Post by dreman999 on Jun 7, 2017 15:32:57 GMT
yes he is. Play him as any other race other then an elf and be his friend and you get a "your one of the good ones of your heathen race" conversation. He is racist.(note got it play a qunari.) He's prejudiced. But not racist. You're also forgetting that he slanders the Dalish too, who are - guess what - elves. that's the same thing. Sorry but that is being racist. Being prejudiced is a byproduct of being racist.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 7, 2017 15:33:29 GMT
The game does have a number for your PCs skin or hair color.
A gate based on your choice of the hue for skin or hair would cause an immediate outrage.
On the other hand, gate based on gender of the protagonist or your selection of a fantasy species is welcomed as a pinnacle of character development.
So one we consider unthinkable/reactionary as a reason to not fall in love with the PC and the other - a good enough reason. So, basically there are tabs in the CC that are considered unimportant/cosmetic, and some - part of the character development.
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Post by dreman999 on Jun 7, 2017 15:36:51 GMT
The game does have a number for your PCs skin or hair color. A gate based on your choice of the hue for skin or hair would cause an immediate outrage. On the other hand, gate based on gender of the protagonist or your selection of a fantasy species is welcomed as a pinnacle of character development. So one we consider unthinkable/reactionary as a reason to not fall in love with the PC and the other - a good enough reason. So, basically there are tabs in the CC that are considered unimportant/cosmetic, and some - part of the character development. that is not the same thing. Human no matter what is a human. A qunari is not the same thing as a human.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 7, 2017 15:38:35 GMT
He's prejudiced. But not racist. You're also forgetting that he slanders the Dalish too, who are - guess what - elves. that's the same thing. Sorry but that is being racist. Being prejudiced is a byproduct of being racist. I agree that Solas is a racist. He treats everyone who is not an Ancient elf as inferior. Hence, from this perspective, Dlaish are no more viable for a peculiar dalliance with the strangely arousing inferiors than Dwarves, Qunari or Human.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 7, 2017 15:42:05 GMT
The game does have a number for your PCs skin or hair color. A gate based on your choice of the hue for skin or hair would cause an immediate outrage. On the other hand, gate based on gender of the protagonist or your selection of a fantasy species is welcomed as a pinnacle of character development. So one we consider unthinkable/reactionary as a reason to not fall in love with the PC and the other - a good enough reason. So, basically there are tabs in the CC that are considered unimportant/cosmetic, and some - part of the character development. that is not the same thing. Human no matter what is a human. A qunari is not the same thing as a human. That's exactly the point I am bringing up. One is unacceptable to the modem sensitivities. But even today you actually hear plenty of modern players openly rejecting LIs as unacceptable for them based on the skin and hair color. Heck, even on the length of their hair. If LI mimics that, the 99.9% opinion would be that it's bonkers and can't/should not be done.
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Post by Melcara on Jun 7, 2017 15:44:50 GMT
He's prejudiced. But not racist. You're also forgetting that he slanders the Dalish too, who are - guess what - elves. that's the same thing. Sorry but that is being racist. Being prejudiced is a byproduct of being racist. Guess I forgot to mention that he's prejudiced for a reason. The Qun is commiting attrocities. I'd be prejudiced against them too. Anyway, since he's "really racist, from your point of view, point out one other instance except for the balcony scene where Solas actively slanders individuals solely because of their race. You also glossed over my point about the Dalish. Are you implying that he's racist towards his own race?
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Post by sdzald on Jun 7, 2017 15:45:38 GMT
Not exactly a fan of the default Bro!Ryder/Sis!Ryder faces, so the CC improvements are more than welcome and where the only thing really holding me back from starting playthrough #2. Now I have no excuses... time to loose another 100+ hours to ME: A. I was going to kvetch about the changes to Jaal as changing a character's sexual orientation months after launch is not okay, especially when it is done strictly for pandering, but then I learned that Jaal was supposed to be bi from the jump. It seems like this change was BW keeping promises (albeit a bit late imo) and adding in content that should have been there at launch, further proof that the game was rushed out the door thanks to the EA overlords. The changes to Abrams are a waste of resources imo. Why are they so concerned with some no-name npc that does nothing but hand out a shitty fetch quest? There are still a number of bugs that need fixing and performance issues that need to be rectified. Instead of working on critical fixes and QoL improvements, BW alters a NPC that nobody cares about. Way to prioritize guys. Its a PR move. Adding a few lines of dialog so Scott can have a gay romance is EASY to add. Fixing the core of the game is not easy and will NOT be done. Now the fanboys/Shills can claim see Bioware really does care about the game
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Post by Deleted on Jun 7, 2017 15:49:29 GMT
Not exactly a fan of the default Bro!Ryder/Sis!Ryder faces, so the CC improvements are more than welcome and where the only thing really holding me back from starting playthrough #2. Now I have no excuses... time to loose another 100+ hours to ME: A. I was going to kvetch about the changes to Jaal as changing a character's sexual orientation months after launch is not okay, especially when it is done strictly for pandering, but then I learned that Jaal was supposed to be bi from the jump. It seems like this change was BW keeping promises (albeit a bit late imo) and adding in content that should have been there at launch, further proof that the game was rushed out the door thanks to the EA overlords. The changes to Abrams are a waste of resources imo. Why are they so concerned with some no-name npc that does nothing but hand out a shitty fetch quest? There are still a number of bugs that need fixing and performance issues that need to be rectified. Instead of working on critical fixes and QoL improvements, BW alters a NPC that nobody cares about. Way to prioritize guys. Its a PR move. Adding a few lines of dialog so Scott can have a gay romance is EASY to add. Fixing the core of the game is not easy and will NOT be done. Now the fanboys/Shills can claim see Bioware really does care about the game There is a substantial amount of missing content that has to be added to make a bi Jaal possible. That gives me hope that BW are brining back VOs and DLC is inbound. I disagree that the core game needs fixing at all, but that is another topic entirely. Your implication that anybody who likes that game as a whole is a "fanboy" is disappointing to say the least.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 7, 2017 15:55:07 GMT
Its a PR move. Adding a few lines of dialog so Scott can have a gay romance is EASY to add. Fixing the core of the game is not easy and will NOT be done. Now the fanboys/Shills can claim see Bioware really does care about the game There is a substantial amount of missing content that has to be added to make a bi Jaal possible. That gives me hope that BW are brining back VOs and DLC is inbound. I disagree that the core game needs fixing at all, but that is another topic entirely. Your implication that anybody who likes that game as a whole is a "fanboy" is disappointing to say the least. Scott and Jaal's actors did record new lines.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 7, 2017 15:57:06 GMT
There is a substantial amount of missing content that has to be added to make a bi Jaal possible. That gives me hope that BW are brining back VOs and DLC is inbound. I disagree that the core game needs fixing at all, but that is another topic entirely. Your implication that anybody who likes that game as a whole is a "fanboy" is disappointing to say the least. Scott and Jaal's actors did record new lines. That is basically what I said...
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Post by moderately incensed firmicute on Jun 7, 2017 15:57:50 GMT
Why is that? It makes sense, given the lore of the Angara. It wasn't the original intend of the writers and they changed it just because people pressed them. So if I want to romance Suvi as male Ryder all I have to do is to open a hashtag. you have it mixed up.. The writers wanted to make bhim bi vur had to cave from external pressure because forcustested groups could be threatened by that..(that's the reason cheryl wasn't able to write her 40y old lesbian female chara because every design had to go through the lense of "what would the assumed homophobic straight gamer think" Btw the same happened with kaidan who was written as Bi for ME1. Ashley too, by the way. But they got pressured to change it because they feared their indende forcutested audience would maybe find those gays icky unless they are two hot sexy women. So.. you mixed it up. Queer charas, female charas of more important get cut or relegated to the second line regularly, but nobody speaks up because you perceive it as the normal and default situation. its not. So.. this isn't a change, this is a revert to intended idea that was scrapped because some exec though self censoring the gays is totally fine-and you folks do a big job to probe how right those are, because on oyn speak up if you think something is taken away from you.. also. ffs this is an aaa commercial product.. not a fucking artpiece.
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Post by qwib on Jun 7, 2017 15:58:55 GMT
Nothing creates such a shitstorm, than Bioware and their romance options. I'm happy for the gay gamers who get Jaal, he is one of my favourite characters in Andromeda. CC is now too late, since I started my Scott Ryder playthrough... and the lack of bug fixes for Quests isn't that great. I expected a lot of fixes for the Task Quests.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 7, 2017 16:00:36 GMT
Scott and Jaal's actors did record new lines. That is basically what I said... Sorry lol you said " That gives me hope that BW are brining back VOs and DLC is inbound. " so I thought you meant you hoped they would record the romance stuff lol, also Cora's VA hinted she was in studio as Cora again in May, so there's hope!
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Post by Deleted on Jun 7, 2017 16:14:45 GMT
That is basically what I said... Sorry lol you said " That gives me hope that BW are brining back VOs and DLC is inbound. " so I thought you meant you hoped they would record the romance stuff lol, also Cora's VA hinted she was in studio as Cora again in May, so there's hope! Indeed!
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Post by Captain Crash on Jun 7, 2017 16:20:53 GMT
Well glad they have addressed a lot on the CC options.
Still not motivated enough to create a new play through as of yet though...
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Post by dalinne on Jun 7, 2017 16:25:31 GMT
I'm utterly dissapointed: WE ARE NOT TALKING ABOUT HAIR. What about the all hair options (and bald options) for everyone?? WHAT ABOUT THE HAIR???
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Post by decafhigh on Jun 7, 2017 16:30:47 GMT
While I don't disagree it SHOULD be more than that, reality is it isn't. We are a long way from having a system that can actually simulate characters having preferences and choosing LI's based on realistic attractions. And for what the romances amount to in these games I don't really see the value in BW restricting them the way they do. I think we're closer to it than that. The thing is, romances are (or were, or perhaps should be) a fairly minor part of the game, and it simply isn't cost effective enough to spend that many resources to simulate such preferences (much cheaper to motion-capture some pelvic thrusting, I guess... ) But I still think they should be more complex than just hitting the Flirt dialogue option and they fall into bed with you. I'm not sure what you mean by "I think we're closer to it than that. " since your last line is pretty much exactly what I said.
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Post by kumazan on Jun 7, 2017 16:31:19 GMT
I'm utterly dissapointed: WE ARE NOT TALKING ABOUT HAIR. What about the all hair options (and bald options) for everyone?? WHAT ABOUT THE HAIR??? I like that we get another bald option in this patch, it was a massive step back from the amazing variety of baldness of DA:I.
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Post by dalinne on Jun 7, 2017 16:34:12 GMT
I'm utterly dissapointed: WE ARE NOT TALKING ABOUT HAIR. What about the all hair options (and bald options) for everyone?? WHAT ABOUT THE HAIR??? I like that we get another bald option in this patch, it was a massive step back from the amazing variety of baldness of DA:I. right???? It was so UNFAIR (unhair?). I missed SO MUCH those fifty sides of bald, like... how can I roleplay my character right without those little nuances, HOW???? Jokes aside, it's really great to have two new heads and being able to change our outlook in the Tempest (FINALLY I can make a Sara without makeup for the first hours and then let her go wild!)
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Post by kalasaurus on Jun 7, 2017 16:35:53 GMT
I'm a bit fuzzy on "We also unlocked all hairstyles for both sexes" in the patch notes.
Does that mean that male and female hair is available for both sexes, or that they unlocked NPC hair that wasn't available in the CC? Or both?
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Post by Gray Jedi on Jun 7, 2017 16:36:02 GMT
I believe this decision is fair gay players could not attain the romance achievement and was the only group to not have a squad mate option it wasn't fair.
Jaal being bi is not inconsistent with his character and as for the straight females complaining about this you lose nothing while another group gains something. You still have three options Jaal still cares for Sera just sounds like someone doesn't want to share there ice cream and wants it all for there self and before someones trys the how would you feel if Cora was made bi wouldn't bother me i still have the same amount of options.
As for the well i want suvi bi then. We straight dudes have enough already while gay players had scraps that's why they got jaal.
This patch with jaal was needed with how lacking gay romance options are but this choice will be used against bioware in the future.
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