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Post by dalinne on Jun 7, 2017 16:41:07 GMT
I'm a bit fuzzy on "We also unlocked all hairstyles for both sexes" in the patch notes. Does that mean that male and female hair is available for both sexes, or that they unlocked NPC hair that wasn't available in the CC? Or both? I hope is everything
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Post by yeah rip on Jun 7, 2017 16:41:31 GMT
From from what I know, Jaal wasn't meant to be bi all along, as some people think. I got my hands on the soundfiles before the release and the only thing that would support bi Jaal was a single "I love you too, Jaal" line from Scott, Jaal himself didn't have any Scott-specific romance lines IIRC. If anyone can prove me otherwise though, feel free. That Scott's line was a placeholder, from what I understand, similar to how Sera had some unused romance lines for male inquisitor. Whatever the case, if content was scrapped prior to the release, then it was scrapped for a reason. If they really wanted him to be bi, they should have made him bi before the game was out. Jaal didn't take a week to be written, they had many months - if not a couple of years - to make up their minds about it while the game was in development, now it just looks like they threw some scraps to the people who were unhappy about him being straight. I absolutely hate how they think it's okay to change things after release just because some of the fans yelled about it (I was already angry about them giving pink lipstick to the default Sara, for the same reason). If there were a lot of people who weren't happy with the game taking place in Andromeda, would the devs change that too? "Did we say Andromeda? Sorry, we meant the Sombrero galaxy". If they wanted to make things right for the gay players, they should have improved Gil and Reyes' romances and maybe added a new quality m/m romance without changing any of the established characters.
By the way, are there any improvements to Reyes/Gil at all? Isn't that a bit unfair to their fans?
Oh, and what about those bugs? Two patches later I still can't turn in the Heskaarl quest properly. I imagine Jaal's new content will bring in some new bugs too.
And why the hell is what's-her-face from Eos more worthy of attention than the bugs/glitches/facial animations? I don't understand Bioware at all.
When exactly did they express that? Am I missing something?
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Post by BloodOfShiagur on Jun 7, 2017 16:42:58 GMT
I'm a bit fuzzy on "We also unlocked all hairstyles for both sexes" in the patch notes. Does that mean that male and female hair is available for both sexes, or that they unlocked NPC hair that wasn't available in the CC? Or both? It seems like all hair for everybody unless there's some weird catch (wow.... longer-haired men?? without mods? that would be like the first time, even though I'm quite unsure how that would look with these options). Are there even NPC specific hairstyles? I didn't notice a single one.
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Post by shechinah on Jun 7, 2017 16:43:47 GMT
I'm a bit fuzzy on "We also unlocked all hairstyles for both sexes" in the patch notes. Does that mean that male and female hair is available for both sexes, or that they unlocked NPC hair that wasn't available in the CC? Or both? The former, I think. Which is great because as I've said before, that afro should not be confined to the head of one gender. It deserves to spread its love! That said, they might have included the couple of hairstyles that were NPC-only. I certainly wouldn't complain about getting that curly hairstyle the lady near Adison is sporting. Unlike Miranda Lawson, the hair does not seem to be a part of the NPC's head and so could be made avaliable I think.
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Post by aglomeracja on Jun 7, 2017 16:47:33 GMT
"Scott Ryder did not have a same-sex squadmate available as a romance option, nor could the achievement for completing three romances be achieved with only male same-sex partners. And as the angara have expressed their fluidity in how they perceive gender, it seemed only natural that Scott could have a relationship with Jaal."
That. Gender and sex is not the same thing. Try again. gender.wikia.com/wiki/Gender_Fluid"Gender fluid is a gender identity which refers to a gender which varies over time. A gender fluid person may at any time identify as male, female, neutrois, or any other non-binary identity, or some combination of identities."gender.wikia.com/wiki/Transgender"Transgender or Transexuality is an umbrella term for anyone whose internal experience of gender does not match the gender they were assigned at birth (normally based on genitalia)."So, gender fluid= transgender\transsexual But I'll gladly see your interpretation of Angaran gender fluidity (and while you're at it, how exactly does this influence their sexuality).
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Post by aglomeracja on Jun 7, 2017 16:50:25 GMT
When exactly did they express that? Am I missing something? Transcript in description
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Post by Psychevore on Jun 7, 2017 16:51:27 GMT
Gender and sex is not the same thing. Try again. gender.wikia.com/wiki/Gender_Fluid"Gender fluid is a gender identity which refers to a gender which varies over time. A gender fluid person may at any time identify as male, female, neutrois, or any other non-binary identity, or some combination of identities."gender.wikia.com/wiki/Transgender"Transgender or Transexuality is an umbrella term for anyone whose internal experience of gender does not match the gender they were assigned at birth (normally based on genitalia)."So gender fluid= transgender\transsexual But I'll gladly see your interpretation of Angaran gender fluidity (and while you're at it, how exactly does this influence their sexuality). en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sex_and_gender_distinction
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Post by kalasaurus on Jun 7, 2017 16:51:27 GMT
I'm a bit fuzzy on "We also unlocked all hairstyles for both sexes" in the patch notes. Does that mean that male and female hair is available for both sexes, or that they unlocked NPC hair that wasn't available in the CC? Or both? It seems like all hair for everybody unless there's some weird catch (wow.... longer-haired men?? without mods? that would be like the first time, even though I'm quite unsure how that would look with these options). Are there even NPC specific hairstyles? I didn't notice a single one. There were a couple I noticed on female NPCs. Not many.
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Post by metta on Jun 7, 2017 16:53:29 GMT
When will the patch be available?
I literally stopped playing the game just before the last level solely for the CC patch
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Post by BloodOfShiagur on Jun 7, 2017 16:53:56 GMT
kalasaurus Thanks, didn't notice those. Whoa, did that lady watch Shaun the Sheep too much. I think we will be fine without NPC haistyles for once.
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Post by decafhigh on Jun 7, 2017 16:56:00 GMT
Whatever definition they use I don't see how it impacts making Jaal bi, like why did BW even bring it up?
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Post by alanc9 on Jun 7, 2017 16:57:52 GMT
I was going to kvetch about the changes to Jaal as changing a character's sexual orientation months after launch is not okay, especially when it is done strictly for pandering, but then I learned that Jaal was supposed to be bi from the jump. It seems like this change was BW keeping promises (albeit a bit late imo) and adding in content that should have been there at launch, further proof that the game was rushed out the door thanks to the EA overlords. The changes to Abrams are a waste of resources imo. Why are they so concerned with some no-name npc that does nothing but hand out a shitty fetch quest? There are still a number of bugs that need fixing and performance issues that need to be rectified. Instead of working on critical fixes and QoL improvements, BW alters a NPC that nobody cares about. Way to prioritize guys. Its a PR move. Adding a few lines of dialog so Scott can have a gay romance is EASY to add. Fixing the core of the game is not easy and will NOT be done. Now the fanboys/Shills can claim see Bioware really does care about the game You make a good case. In ROI terms, this makes a lot of sense The same amount of time spent on other aspects of the game wouldn't get you very far, but spent here they get a discrete new feature which had plenty of fans.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 7, 2017 16:59:37 GMT
It wasn't the original intend of the writers and they changed it just because people pressed them. So if I want to romance Suvi as male Ryder all I have to do is to open a hashtag. you have it mixed up.. The writers wanted to make bhim bi vur had to cave from external pressure because forcustested groups could be threatened by that..(that's the reason cheryl wasn't able to write her 40y old lesbian female chara because every design had to go through the lense of "what would the assumed homophobic straight gamer think" Btw the same happened with kaidan who was written as Bi for ME1. Ashley too, by the way. But they got pressured to change it because they feared their indende forcutested audience would maybe find those gays icky unless they are two hot sexy women. So.. you mixed it up. Queer charas, female charas of more important get cut or relegated to the second line regularly, but nobody speaks up because you perceive it as the normal and default situation. its not. So.. this isn't a change, this is a revert to intended idea that was scrapped because some exec though self censoring the gays is totally fine-and you folks do a big job to probe how right those are, because on oyn speak up if you think something is taken away from you.. also. ffs this is an aaa commercial product.. not a fucking artpiece. This is ridiculous
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Post by aglomeracja on Jun 7, 2017 16:59:43 GMT
gender.wikia.com/wiki/Gender_Fluid"Gender fluid is a gender identity which refers to a gender which varies over time. A gender fluid person may at any time identify as male, female, neutrois, or any other non-binary identity, or some combination of identities."gender.wikia.com/wiki/Transgender"Transgender or Transexuality is an umbrella term for anyone whose internal experience of gender does not match the gender they were assigned at birth (normally based on genitalia)."So gender fluid= transgender\transsexual But I'll gladly see your interpretation of Angaran gender fluidity (and while you're at it, how exactly does this influence their sexuality). en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sex_and_gender_distinctionAnd?
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Post by Psychevore on Jun 7, 2017 17:01:42 GMT
Whatever definition they use I don't see how it impacts making Jaal bi, like why did BW even bring it up? To tell people why it isn't against the lore because the Angara already have a rather fluid view on gender. Yet here we are, 24 pages later.
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Post by fygee on Jun 7, 2017 17:02:11 GMT
Normally I'm completely against changing a character's preferences, personalities, and stories. However, in my opinion, it makes a lot of sense for Jaal based off of your interactions with him in the game, and the reasons they explained. And yes, gay/bi Scott Ryder didn't have as many robust options and was prevented from getting certain achievements as a result.
I'll give them a pass on this one. Everyone also needs to calm down about this. Have opinions one way or another, by all means, but this is definitely a mountain being made out of a molehill, as it were.
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Post by decafhigh on Jun 7, 2017 17:05:18 GMT
Whatever definition they use I don't see how it impacts making Jaal bi, like why did BW even bring it up? To tell people why it isn't against the lore because the Angara already have a rather fluid view on gender. Yet here we are, 24 pages later. I dunno, having a fluid view on gender doesn't automatically mean someone is bisexual. /shrug I don't really care either way just seemed unnecessary for BW to even bring it up. Like is Jaal going to start referring to himself with female pronouns if Scott romances him? If he does, does it still count as a m/m romance option? I think BW is confusing themselves trying to serve all these different points of view.
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Post by aglomeracja on Jun 7, 2017 17:08:26 GMT
I did. Try making a point.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 7, 2017 17:13:20 GMT
To tell people why it isn't against the lore because the Angara already have a rather fluid view on gender. Yet here we are, 24 pages later. I dunno, having a fluid view on gender doesn't automatically mean someone is bisexual. /shrug I don't really care either way just seemed unnecessary for BW to even bring it up. Like is Jaal going to start referring to himself with female pronouns if Scott romances him? If he does, does it still count as a m/m romance option? I think BW is confusing themselves trying to serve all these different points of view. Oh, boy.
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Post by yeah rip on Jun 7, 2017 17:14:00 GMT
When exactly did they express that? Am I missing something? Transcript in description Thanks! Aside from this bit, I haven't actually seen any of the more prominent Angara actually expressing this sort of view. If the pronoun thing is the only thing Bioware has to back up that claim, it was kinda extremely half-assed. Japanese also has many pronouns, but as far as I know, Japan as a whole is no different from other cultures when it comes gender perception. That Asari thing is new to me too, where did that come from.. Someone from Bioware has been spending too much time on tumblr methinks.
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Post by decafhigh on Jun 7, 2017 17:17:17 GMT
I dunno, having a fluid view on gender doesn't automatically mean someone is bisexual. /shrug I don't really care either way just seemed unnecessary for BW to even bring it up. Like is Jaal going to start referring to himself with female pronouns if Scott romances him? If he does, does it still count as a m/m romance option? I think BW is confusing themselves trying to serve all these different points of view. Oh, boy. LOL, my point is it would have been a lot easier if BW had just said "Jaal is bi, deal with it" and left it at that.
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Post by dreman999 on Jun 7, 2017 17:21:18 GMT
that's the same thing. Sorry but that is being racist. Being prejudiced is a byproduct of being racist. Guess I forgot to mention that he's prejudiced for a reason. The Qun is commiting attrocities. I'd be prejudiced against them too. Anyway, since he's "really racist, from your point of view, point out one other instance except for the balcony scene where Solas actively slanders individuals solely because of their race. You also glossed over my point about the Dalish. Are you implying that he's racist towards his own race? no. He just woke up and not seen or really heard anything about the qun. He hates them because they are anti magic...that's it. Add that still does not coverify what he says if you are dwarven, dalish,or human which are equally as horrible. The inquisitor had a point when they said Soles does not thing of the people of thadus as people. Solas is racist. He only cares about the elves of old.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 7, 2017 17:28:44 GMT
LOL, my point is it would have been a lot easier if BW had just said "Jaal is bi, deal with it" and left it at that. In 1998 I saw a couple of BioWARE's posts on why we should consider ourselves ever so lucky to even have Anomen. Because, frankly, they did not think he was needed to start with. Who in their right mind will romance a male in a video-game?! And, I still remember that heart-warming messaging from him, about not being able to please everyone no matter what, because it had to be just one. I mean, It did not matter if it were Valygar or Haer, or Anomen. Having three males available in romance?! Just like the females for a male PC?! You gotta be... joking.
Seriously, now I saw BioWARE jump on it and start quickly slapping together a romance because OMG, the fans asked for it... now I saw it all. AND they put together a respectful letter talking about how it is so important to them to honor the preferences of men who'd only romance men in videogames...
It's... different.
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Post by shechinah on Jun 7, 2017 17:30:46 GMT
no. He just woke up and not seen or really heard anything about the qun. He hates them because they are anti magic...that's it. While I do think Solas is racist in the beginning, I disagree that his reasons about the Qun are about race and only magic: he has problems with other parts of the Qun philosophy like their ban on individuality and non-conformity. This can be seen in his banter with Iron Bull. While he has banter that involves magic, he also has banter that focuses solely on what I mentioned. As far as I recall, it is never stated how much or how little Solas has seen of the Qun in person but the incident he refers to with the qunari baker means he has seen some even if it was through the Fade.
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