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Post by sdzald on Jun 8, 2017 16:06:16 GMT
And if you like I could make a long list of games which were nearly unplayable at launch and/or were broken by the patching system, but I have never seen a shitstorm like the one that hit ME:A. Indeed, this game is far from perfect, but it's also far from being so bad. All in all I would rate it 7/10, which in my scale of values means "decent". The more I read forums, articles and blogs the more I believe that there are other reasons behind this hate, or to say better, that people really wanted a reason for hating it, therefore, considering that the perfect game will never exist it was obvious that people would find that reason that they needed. I'm telling you right now I agree with you on that. The bad karma surrounding BioWare at PAX was real. A lot of disgruntled fans were there and they couldn't stop talking crap. Former employees having very loud conversations about how bad Austin turned out. The competition, like Bethesda and CDPR, took advantage of the malcontent. YouTube seemed like it had an axe to grind and of course, BioWare keeps giving them more ammunition to enforce their negative point of view. This is all on EA and BioWare. The competition wants to get BioWare's fanbase and guess what? BioWare is helping them. EA doesn't know crap about assessing the public. Believe me when I say this: When Dylan is announced, the new sh**storm is coming. Everyone with a iPhone will be making YouTube videos as this is going to be some cash grab, an unpolished turd that will never live up to the hype, a copycat formula that failed, etc. Believe me, their are people who have aligned themselves with other companies and would love to humble or even break BioWare. Too many ex-employees, too many butt-hurt fans, too many folks who will take advantage of the hate for click-baiting. This is the bed EA made and BioWare is just as much to blame. What you say has some real merit. Yet I don't think I fit in with any of those and I have been very openly critical of this game. I do NOT consider myself a butt-hurt fan, I have been a huge fan of Bioware and their approach to gaming for years, yet I am VERY disappointed in MEA and to be honest in the general direction Bioware seems to be going. There is an old saying "Just because I am paranoid does not mean they are not after me." Just because I seem to be a hater does not mean there is nothing to hate.
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Post by alanc9 on Jun 8, 2017 16:09:24 GMT
Given there's always going to be an axe to grind i take the article with a healthy pinch of salt. That said if there ever was an initial plan to make the game a massive empty space full of procedurally generated worlds that seems stupidity of the highest order for a company who's market is highly story driven RPGs I think it's because a few people where saying they would love to see a Bioware game like NMS. Like I remember Angry Joe saying it in his NMS review. Everyone loved NMS before it actually was released, right? I think I mentioned this upthread, but a long time ago there were SF RPGs with storylines which implemented procedurally-generated planets and storylines. Starflight, for instance, or even Star Control 2 depending on how willing you are to stretch the definition of RPG. (Anyone who thinks he can handle 1986 technology should give Starflight a shot.) I'm not sure this type of design is workable anymore. OW games have been tending towards denser content, if anything. Compare, say, Morrowind to Skyrim. You can't walk for 30 seconds in Skyrim without either bumping into more content or seeing a signpost for more content, probably multiple bits.
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Post by abaris on Jun 8, 2017 16:17:04 GMT
It's a bad game. With bad writing, bad animations, bad quests, bad storytelling, bad companions... That's why it gets the hate. That's hyperbole. It's not a bad game. It's an average game, fun to play, but nothing memorable or outstanding. Through all the patches I haven't revised my original judgment. I would rate it somewhere between 6 and 7, with 7 already stretching it a bit, since it's the first Bioware game where I don't feel that itch for another playthrough.
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Post by Elfen Lied on Jun 8, 2017 16:27:27 GMT
Not really. For all its faults, ME3 was not as bad as DA2 was in many aspects, such as level design, visuals, and narrative, to mention a few. Plus, people had had two (previous) games to grow attached to Shepard and his crew, unlike DA2 which chose to tell a completely new story rather than follow Origins. This gave ME3 an edge that DA2 didn't have. However, precisely because DA2 was markedly inferior, the transition to Inquisition was all the more welcome. The new Frostbite engine was able to render beautiful and expansive (actually, that had to be modded into the engine) landscapes, fixing the repetitive, bland, locations of DA2; customization was brought back and expanded to include a crafting system; the Inquisitor felt a bit (or a lot) more useful than Hawke; etc. These factors combined contributed to people reviewing the game more favourably, ignoring perhaps some of the issues Inquisition shares with Andromeda. For better or worse, Andromeda didn't just have to live up to ME3 (that would've been hard enough to my mind), but the Mass Effect Trilogy as a whole and, to a certain extent, Inquisition as well. After all, they could no longer count on dazzling people with beautiful landscapes, as Inquisition had done that previously so it was now to be expected. Andromeda was also expected to deliver on the promises of exploration of the first Mass Effect game while reconciling a story about defeating some ultimate evil. Fair or not, everything about this game was going to be scrutinized and so it was. To be fair though, and like I mentioned before, Andromeda shares many of the same issues I had with Inquisition. This however, doesn't excuse Andromeda, as one would think newer games are supposed to improve upon the weaknesses of previous ones (I know it's a different franchise and all, but isn't knowledge shared in BioWare?). At the end of the day I still think Andromeda's a good game, just not as great as it could've been, buckling under the weight of everything it hoped to accomplish and, as the article points out, fighting an uphill battle during the development process. If you feel like reading another long piece of analysis on the game, I'll throw mine into the ring: Analyzing Mass Effect: AndromedaI almost agree with your analisys with some few exceptions (i.e. I don't agree that DA2 was so bad and I think that its narrative was one of the best ever made by BW), but I still think that the amount of criticism that this game is getting is a little excessive which, if I am not wrong ,is something we both agree. Moreover I'd like for every game to be evaluated for the game itself and for what it was able/unable to provide, and not by external factor that cause people to be carried away. The so called "transition progress" cannot take the sacrifice of one game every time. DAI is still a flawed game for me. I think mechanically, it's a huge step backwards with its eight power limit, "streamlined" combat system that makes DA2 look complex, and rather boring side quests. Then of course, there's the bears... However, the companions are, in general, more fleshed out. Their interactions feel more natural. And the Inquisitor has access to a wider range of emotional expressions than Ryder. MEA is also a follow-up to ME3, which got even worse backlash than DA2. And to escape that, they had to do some serious lore-bending to justify this sequel. Something DAI didn't need to do quite as much So yes, the stories are similar. Uncomfortably so in many ways. But DAI was, I think, the better told story. I agree that DA:I is overrated, as well as I consider ME:A underrated. Imho they are both "decent" games
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Post by Elfen Lied on Jun 8, 2017 16:45:18 GMT
It's a bad game. With bad writing, bad animations, bad quests, bad storytelling, bad companions... That's why it gets the hate. It's a decent game. With decent writing, flawed animations, some good quest and too much filler content, a fair storytelling, and passable companions. It doesn't deserve this level of hate. /opinions Of course I expect there are also many players like you, that genuinely dislike this game as well as many fans that are disappointed because the game didn't meet their expectations. And I can assure you that I am not your typical conspiracy theorist. But I couldn't avoid to notice that almost every person that was bashing them for ME3 endings nowadays are among the most vocal against ME:A, like if they were expecting another occasion to get their revenge.
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Post by Daft Arbiter on Jun 8, 2017 16:46:26 GMT
Considering that the 2016 game of the year doesn't even have a singleplayer and one of Bioware's main rivals (Bethesda) isn't releasing another game in its flagship series for at least a few more years, the ball is in Bioware's court. If they make a good game, it'll be successful. But if they don't, it's going to look really bad. The rumor is that Bethesda is releasing a new game this year. A Sci-Fi RPG named Starfield. We'll see at E3, if Todd Howard shows up you can bet Bethesda has a new game coming out late this year, or early next year. Whatever it is, it's not TES, so it probably isn't going to have the studio's full commitment (or in other words, will likely turn out like FO4, which isn't held in the same regard as Skyrim). Edmonton has the golden opportunity of competing with a "minor" Bethesda title.
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Post by ioannisdenton on Jun 8, 2017 16:51:43 GMT
The gaming press is full of shit. gamesradar, kotaku etc are as much as responsible for the hate ME:A gets as it is bioware's fault. Constant daily articles titled " why Me:A falied" fuel the hate from gamers as a whole who are not known for their intelligence adopt It is maddening. the vast magority of idiotic gamers have now played the game and think its garbage like a b grade game where in reality is just stomps all Ubisoft titles at the very least. Sorry for the harsh language but: Fuck Kotaku Fuck the press
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Post by OdanUrr on Jun 8, 2017 16:55:51 GMT
I almost agree with your analisys with some few exceptions (i.e. I don't agree that DA2 was so bad and I think that its narrative was one of the best ever made by BW) It may not have been bad, but it was certainly lazy. Yes, while most of the criticism is not unfounded, Andromeda's weaknesses are not particularly new, with the exception perhaps of the animation which I found to be rougher than in ME3. Some areas were even improved upon, like combat.
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Post by Heimdall on Jun 8, 2017 16:57:00 GMT
Just discovered this article.
It explains a few things, if true. It fits with my impression that they started with "let's make a game about exploration" and didn't really think through how to make it fun. Wandering around an expansive world isn't very interesting without a lot of content. It sounds like they got drawn in by a lot of cool sounding ideas that they didn't really know how to turn into a fun experience.
I'm a bit surprised to hear that they had such trouble with Frostbite, it sounds like they started so early they weren't able to benefit very much from DAI's work with the engine. I hope that the team on Dylan has devised a better way to work with animations in Frostbite. The success of Dylan is going to be pretty critical for the company. I hope for the best.
I'm actually really glad right now that DA4 has had such a long pre-production period. With Laidlaw, Darrah, Weekes and preexisting plans (Inquisition ended at about the halfway point of what they had originally planned), they seem like they'll have a much clearer direction and understanding of where they're going than what happened here.
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Post by finoderi on Jun 8, 2017 17:13:18 GMT
Is there any valid source confirming that DA Next is really exist? You are talking about 'DA4' like it was already announced. Do you believe that if you want something it makes things real?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 8, 2017 17:22:35 GMT
Is there any valid source confirming that DA Next is really exist? You are talking about 'DA4' like it was already announced. Do you believe that if you want something it makes things real? Well why would they pay for the DA core team to just sit around drinking coffee and tea? Also there was more or less a confirmation a few weeks ago in an article by Eurogamer called "Writing the next Dragon Age" or some such. Interview with a writer called Alexis Kennedy that is working on a project with the core DA team.
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Post by suikoden on Jun 8, 2017 17:22:51 GMT
The gaming press is full of shit. gamesradar, kotaku etc are as much as responsible for the hate ME:A gets as it is bioware's fault. Constant daily articles titled " why Me:A falied" fuel the hate from gamers as a whole who are not known for their intelligence adopt It is maddening. the vast magority of idiotic gamers have now played the game and think its garbage like a b grade game where in reality is just stomps all Ubisoft titles at the very least. Sorry for the harsh language but: Fuck Kotaku Fuck the pressYou realize people like you with your blind devotion and rage that people don't see things your way also contribute to the hate the game is getting...
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Post by finoderi on Jun 8, 2017 17:38:08 GMT
Is there any valid source confirming that DA Next is really exist? You are talking about 'DA4' like it was already announced. Do you believe that if you want something it makes things real? Well why would they pay for the DA core team to just sit around drinking coffee and tea? Also there was more or less a confirmation a few weeks ago in an article by Eurogamer called "Writing the next Dragon Age" or some such. Interview with a writer called Alexis Kennedy that is working on a project with the core DA team. Oh, I see. Thank you.
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Post by ioannisdenton on Jun 8, 2017 17:56:27 GMT
The gaming press is full of shit. gamesradar, kotaku etc are as much as responsible for the hate ME:A gets as it is bioware's fault. Constant daily articles titled " why Me:A falied" fuel the hate from gamers as a whole who are not known for their intelligence adopt It is maddening. the vast magority of idiotic gamers have now played the game and think its garbage like a b grade game where in reality is just stomps all Ubisoft titles at the very least. Sorry for the harsh language but: Fuck Kotaku Fuck the pressYou realize people like you with your blind devotion and rage that people don't see things your way also contribute to the hate the game is getting... blind devotion? not at all. i am down to earth. Saying andromeda is crap is hyperbolic. are we serious? you see games like wildlands , division yearly editions of ubisoft games get no flak. Rockstar games full on bugs on release and with mundane content and questionable gameplay get praise. We see ONE ^&ing rpg in a space scifi setting where it also makes up for even gay gamers to play however they want instead of a preset character and hell breaks loose cause of a sad released state which got way better 2 weeks later. meanwhile Andromeda gets flak for "bad dialogue and juvenile story" but Nier:automata which i own Btw gets praise when in fact its full of real bad dialogue, kiddy characters, ONLY fetch quests running around, underwear achievement, metrosexual main character, classic convoluted just for the sake of it story etc. Of course i have issues with the double standards the Press has.
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Post by mmoblitz on Jun 8, 2017 17:56:50 GMT
The gaming press is full of shit. gamesradar, kotaku etc are as much as responsible for the hate ME:A gets as it is bioware's fault. Constant daily articles titled " why Me:A falied" fuel the hate from gamers as a whole who are not known for their intelligence adopt It is maddening. the vast magority of idiotic gamers have now played the game and think its garbage like a b grade game where in reality is just stomps all Ubisoft titles at the very least. Sorry for the harsh language but: Fuck Kotaku Fuck the pressI don't think it's crap, but it certainly isn't worth touching again for me and is way off from what pulled me into the OT. I typically don't like sci-fi games, but the OT managed to do what all others had failed to do and that's pull me in and actually enjoy the games. MEA failed to do that on all levels. That isn't even getting into the animation or bug problems. As far as Ubisoft games, I only ever played Tomb Raider and the Far Cry series which where more enjoyable for me than MEA was though you can't really compare any of those titles to MEA since they are different animals.
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Post by ioannisdenton on Jun 8, 2017 18:13:14 GMT
The gaming press is full of shit. gamesradar, kotaku etc are as much as responsible for the hate ME:A gets as it is bioware's fault. Constant daily articles titled " why Me:A falied" fuel the hate from gamers as a whole who are not known for their intelligence adopt It is maddening. the vast magority of idiotic gamers have now played the game and think its garbage like a b grade game where in reality is just stomps all Ubisoft titles at the very least. Sorry for the harsh language but: Fuck Kotaku Fuck the pressI don't think it's crap, but it certainly isn't worth touching again for me and is way off from what pulled me into the OT. I typically don't like sci-fi games, but the OT managed to do what all others had failed to do and that's pull me in and actually enjoy the games. MEA failed to do that on all levels. That isn't even getting into the animation or bug problems. As far as Ubisoft games, I only ever played Tomb Raider and the Far Cry series which where more enjoyable for me than MEA was though you can't really compare any of those titles to MEA since they are different animals. Fair enough man for you not being attracted to it. The "it's crap, low quality, turd, epic fail " is what gets me. For a game failing to get you grip it is not a sin. it just "is". Ofcourse you are not supposed to get "my pass" ,do not get me wrong there at all.
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Post by suikoden on Jun 8, 2017 18:29:48 GMT
You realize people like you with your blind devotion and rage that people don't see things your way also contribute to the hate the game is getting... blind devotion? not at all. i am down to earth. Saying andromeda is crap is hyperbolic. are we serious? you see games like wildlands , division yearly editions of ubisoft games get no flak. Rockstar games full on bugs on release and with mundane content and questionable gameplay get praise. We see ONE ^&ing rpg in a space scifi setting where it also makes up for even gay gamers to play however they want instead of a preset character and hell breaks loose cause of a sad released state which got way better 2 weeks later. meanwhile Andromeda gets flak for "bad dialogue and juvenile story" but Nier:automata which i own Btw gets praise when in fact its full of real bad dialogue, kiddy characters, ONLY fetch quests running around, underwear achievement, metrosexual main character, classic convoluted just for the sake of it story etc. Of course i have issues with the double standards the Press has. You just proved my point.
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I stopped reading at this: Because aside from the negative folk and haters in this forum, I have come across far more (by far more I would say probably hundreds and that is just the ones who bother to post about it) people that like or love it. This forum seems to have an inordinate amount of people that dislike it and they dwell on it because they just don't have a life or know how to focus on things they like or maybe they don't have things they like because they spend their time on things they don't like. Whatever the case, they just live in the negative and hang out here or keep coming back here or search the web for more things they don't like. What is most striking to me is that these people have something they are unhappy about and instead of finding things they are happy about to focus on instead, they stay stuck on what they don't like. This leads me to wonder if their dislike about the game is simply that they are unhappy people who can only find things they don't like. Glass half empty people who like to complain and just don't know how to or don't want to or don't try to pay attention to anything enjoyable therefore everything become misery because that is literally all they can see. And it basically invalidates everything they have to say because they are so focused on the negatives that when there are positives, they are not be able to see them. My guess is these people are not particularly happy or else they would be spending their time focused on those things rather than sitting around bitching about a game. Kotoku understands this and therefore is writing these articles as click bait. Whatever the development cycle was doesn't matter. That initial statement that I quoted is simply not true. A lot of people like this game. A lot of people like this game a lot. They just don't come here, probably because this place has so many bitchers and whiners and complainers that it detracts from their fun of enjoying the game. So the forum has been overrun with bitchers and whiners and complainers only to have a small group that actually hang here because they love the game. I know who most of them are because I have seen them in posts. The are the same people and they repeatedly focus on the things they love about this game which supports my original hypothesis. Focus on what you don't like and you get more of that and find more of those people. Focus on what you do like and you get more of that and find those people.True! But, ignore mediocrity and what you will get is more of that. And this game is mediocre. In other words: if you support mediocrity, it will become standard. And many games today have this problem. Okay, let me fine tune my comment so it's clearly understood: You get what you focus on. How does that translate to life? Well if you want to enjoy the game, stop focusing on all the things in the game that are mediocre or not fun for you and focus on the things that are fun. If you cannot find anything in the game that is fun, move on to another game or do something else. The simple truth is that WE define our experiences far more than BW or MEA does. It's not the game that causes you to not have fun or experience it as mediocre. It's your focusing on all the things that you find mediocre in it. I'm sure people will disagree with that, but it is truth. And the more you focus on the mediocrity of things then the more mediocrity you find because you get what you focus on. I don't find the game mediocre. I find it highly enjoyable. Are there some things in it I don't care for? Yes. Do I spend an inordinate amount of time on them? I aim not to. In fact, I generally ignore them but every now and then they catch my attention. Meanwhile, I've had more fun playing this game than I did with the others (exception being ME1 because truly that gave me a great feeling and especially so as I played it during a rough time in my life). Ironically, I do see how I view ME2 as objectively better in many ways, but I have come to love this game more simply because I focus on all the things in it that I absolutely love and thus my experience of this game is far better than my ME2 experience ever was. And that's a recipe for life. You say True! but then you focus on mediocrity. Guess what? You just assured mediocrity is what you will be getting. If I were you I would rush off and find something wonderful to focus on else you'll find yourself with the same complaint about mediocrity for a very long time until you change your focus. I personally hope you do find things you love and enjoy immensely. I hope that for everyone, even or maybe especially the MEA haters. We all should have joy in our lives. Sadly, those that are focused on MEA with all their hate are not even allowing themselves to find joy because you cannot find joy if you are focused in hate.
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I stopped reading at this: Because aside from the negative folk and haters in this forum, I have come across far more (by far more I would say probably hundreds and that is just the ones who bother to post about it) people that like or love it. This forum seems to have an inordinate amount of people that dislike it and they dwell on it because they just don't have a life or know how to focus on things they like or maybe they don't have things they like because they spend their time on things they don't like. Whatever the case, they just live in the negative and hang out here or keep coming back here or search the web for more things they don't like. What is most striking to me is that these people have something they are unhappy about and instead of finding things they are happy about to focus on instead, they stay stuck on what they don't like. This leads me to wonder if their dislike about the game is simply that they are unhappy people who can only find things they don't like. Glass half empty people who like to complain and just don't know how to or don't want to or don't try to pay attention to anything enjoyable therefore everything become misery because that is literally all they can see. And it basically invalidates everything they have to say because they are so focused on the negatives that when there are positives, they are not be able to see them. My guess is these people are not particularly happy or else they would be spending their time focused on those things rather than sitting around bitching about a game. Kotoku understands this and therefore is writing these articles as click bait. Whatever the development cycle was doesn't matter. That initial statement that I quoted is simply not true. A lot of people like this game. A lot of people like this game a lot. They just don't come here, probably because this place has so many bitchers and whiners and complainers that it detracts from their fun of enjoying the game. So the forum has been overrun with bitchers and whiners and complainers only to have a small group that actually hang here because they love the game. I know who most of them are because I have seen them in posts. The are the same people and they repeatedly focus on the things they love about this game which supports my original hypothesis. Focus on what you don't like and you get more of that and find more of those people. Focus on what you do like and you get more of that and find those people. Yes, full-of-sunshine glass type people like you should definitely stick together and support each other to go through this ordeal of unfairness. At first I was surprised how so many folks on this forum can rationalize literally anything about MEA. Now I just read it for fun. It's really amazing. Ordeal of unfairness? Well that right there says a great deal about you and your life experiences. Nothing about this game has been any kind of ordeal of unfairness to me or many of the game fans. We all found the game enjoyable to very enjoyable. Simply put, we find things we like in stuff and focus on that. If we find something not to our liking we move on. Generally we don't find fun in dwelling on stuff that didn't feel good because it didn't feel good. Mock me and others like me all you wish, but really it's all about half glass full or half glass empty perspectives. You have a choice to focus on what you do like or what you don't like. You have a choice to focus on things that feel good or things that don't feel good. What it boils down to is whether or not you want to feel good and whether or not you are willing to do what it takes to feel good. Frankly, I'll take ray of sunshine people any day over the people who spend their time hating and being miserable and complaining about things. The ray of sunshine people are more fun to be around, they have better experiences and are far more pleasant to deal with. The complainers? Been there, done that. Lots of angry, hostile folk there who are more than willing to drag you into their misery without realizing that you might not want to be miserable yourself. It's not about rationalization. It's about choosing to be happy and focus on what makes you happy and having more happy experiences for it. Glass half full perspectives are not a bad thing. But it's funny how many people are more than happy to treat it as if those who find the good in stuff are stupid or foolish or naive in some way. Ironically, we're the ones having a great time. None of us are the victim of anything. We're here having a grand old time playing a game we love. So who is the real winner with their kind of rationalization? The complainers or the ray of sunshine folks?
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Post by bakgrind on Jun 8, 2017 21:39:48 GMT
Even though I really enjoyed the game there is nothing really surprising about the article when you consider that during the games development there was ever changing vision of the core game combined with the revolving door of employees during Andromeda's production it's a wonder that they got a working game to release at all.
And if the article wasn't completely accurate and most of it was pure speculation it doesn't really matter because on our own we can see how hectic and unfinished it was with a lack of quality in certain aspects of the game were.
It just seems that Bioware really hasn't gotten a handle on how to manage its projects while being a bigger power house gaming studio since it was acquired by EA. First game released under EA was SWTOR which by all accounts failed to meet expectation and the only way it is profitable now was due to the cartel market.
Then ME 3 releases with a lot of controversy followed by Andromeda has me really concerned not just for their secret IP Dylan ,but Bioware as a whole.
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Post by abaris on Jun 8, 2017 21:54:16 GMT
Then ME 3 releases with a lot of controversy followed by Andromeda has me really concerned not just for their secret IP Dylan ,but Bioware as a whole. Dylan, same as SWTOR hasn't me the least bit concerned. I'm not interested at all, by all we know about the IP. You also have to keep in mind it's not Bioware expanding. It's the mother company EA slapping the label Bioware on studios left, right and center. The revolving door that everyone can observe, even without that article, does the rest. There's no consistency and there's obviously a reason why talent is leaving in droves.
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Post by Cyan_Griffonclaw on Jun 8, 2017 21:56:08 GMT
I'm telling you right now I agree with you on that. The bad karma surrounding BioWare at PAX was real. A lot of disgruntled fans were there and they couldn't stop talking crap. Former employees having very loud conversations about how bad Austin turned out. The competition, like Bethesda and CDPR, took advantage of the malcontent. YouTube seemed like it had an axe to grind and of course, BioWare keeps giving them more ammunition to enforce their negative point of view. This is all on EA and BioWare. The competition wants to get BioWare's fanbase and guess what? BioWare is helping them. EA doesn't know crap about assessing the public. Believe me when I say this: When Dylan is announced, the new sh**storm is coming. Everyone with a iPhone will be making YouTube videos as this is going to be some cash grab, an unpolished turd that will never live up to the hype, a copycat formula that failed, etc. Believe me, their are people who have aligned themselves with other companies and would love to humble or even break BioWare. Too many ex-employees, too many butt-hurt fans, too many folks who will take advantage of the hate for click-baiting. This is the bed EA made and BioWare is just as much to blame. What you say has some real merit. Yet I don't think I fit in with any of those and I have been very openly critical of this game. I do NOT consider myself a butt-hurt fan, I have been a huge fan of Bioware and their approach to gaming for years, yet I am VERY disappointed in MEA and to be honest in the general direction Bioware seems to be going. There is an old saying "Just because I am paranoid does not mean they are not after me." Just because I seem to be a hater does not mean there is nothing to hate. Most of the folks here are here because they love BioWare in some form. We have our praise group, we have the loyal reputation guard, we have the critical appraisers, we have the smart, technical savants, we have the crazy critics, we have the uncompromising bigots, we have the junkies (me. If the drip line is running, I'm blowing kisses. If it ain't...), we have the moles from other companies checking this out (insert gif of tinfoil cap wearing dude), we have the cool and collective (all the mods are in this group) and so on and so on. By the way, we are being heard from the powers that matter. The more time spent here, the better chances of being heard. I have never gotten a developer's response, but I've seen who is online and what threads they read. To be honest, it takes all kinds to support your favorite game studio. It's the ability to handle it and frankly the old, official forums were grossly understaffed and not well managed. Cheese and crackers, the mods here are the best in the industry and they're volunteers.
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Post by jagaro on Jun 9, 2017 0:30:24 GMT
I think EA Play will be interesting to see this year.
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Post by paradigm on Jun 9, 2017 0:59:23 GMT
What struck me in the article as something that caused problems was when they said they wanted the game to live up to the failed promise of ME1, exploration. And I thought, ok, maybe ME1 failed to live up to the promise of exploration but what it did do, and in my opinion what made it's fans love it so much was excel in story telling, character development and of course the interaction and relationship building with the npc's and crew. And clearly these are the things ME fans came to ME:A looking for more of and didn't find. Did the ME:A devs not understand their own game's relationship with their fan base?
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Post by Cyan_Griffonclaw on Jun 9, 2017 1:03:48 GMT
Then ME 3 releases with a lot of controversy followed by Andromeda has me really concerned not just for their secret IP Dylan ,but Bioware as a whole. Dylan, same as SWTOR hasn't me the least bit concerned. I'm not interested at all, by all we know about the IP. You also have to keep in mind it's not Bioware expanding. It's the mother company EA slapping the label Bioware on studios left, right and center. The revolving door that everyone can observe, even without that article, does the rest. There's no consistency and there's obviously a reason why talent is leaving in droves. Abaris, you nailed it.
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