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Post by abaris on Jun 9, 2017 18:29:44 GMT
Yup, I think both the Oblivion and Skyrim game save systems are notorious for this problem with modding, which is why I just start games over when testing mods. Sorry, but I have to say this. These games are notorious for people not knowing how to use mods. And by that I mean the basics, such as klooking at what a mod does, looking at the scripts it uses and if they may conflict with another mod, most of all not even reading the instructions for the mod. Such as known conflicts. Some people tend to install everything they can lay their hands on and go out bitching an moaning that the last mod they installed broke their game. Neither with Skyrim nor with FO4 I had any broken save.
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Post by Fen'Harel Faceman on Jun 9, 2017 18:39:17 GMT
Yup, I think both the Oblivion and Skyrim game save systems are notorious for this problem with modding, which is why I just start games over when testing mods. Sorry, but I have to say this. These games are notorious for people not knowing how to use mods. And by that I mean the basics, such as klooking at what a mod does, looking at the scripts it uses and if they may conflict with another mod, most of all not even reading the instructions for the mod. Such as known conflicts. Some people tend to install everything they can lay their hands on and go out bitching an moaning that the last mod they installed broke their game. Neither with Skyrim nor with FO4 I had any broken save. Mod maker after mod maker disagrees with you, including the designer of the Civil War mod. It's also been part of many folks experience. I'll never agree with you on this, it's simply false.
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Post by Andrew Lucas on Jun 9, 2017 18:43:25 GMT
ME3 was critically acclaimed and probably sold much more than MEA. If that makes you laugh, you have a stupid sense of humor. It is a fact, just deal with it. What you think ≠ from the state this game currently lives in. You just proved my point, another one refusing to see it just because you enjoyed the game. Flash news, I also did. It amazes me how people are fine with a Mass Effect game having a 71 review score, I don't agree with it, but it's a thing. There's no conspiracy, MEA doesn't handle a candle to the likes of TW3, BOTW and HZD in gaming memory, unfortunately. I would say I'm anything but fine with that score... it's too low for this particular game. I'm not saying the game is a 90, but it is a better game than a 71. Many of the reviewers to gave extremely negative reviews were notably biased against this game in their reports for months or even a year or two before the game was released. The language and tone of their reports is also notably different than when they report on negative elements they've seen in other games. They set out ahead of time to prove up all their negative predictions rather than sampling and reviewing the game objectively. They deserve to loose credibility for that sort of reporting. They deserve to lose readers. People starting up playthroughs on YouTube have indicated at the start of their playthroughs have indicated that they've been put off by the reviews and multitude of memes floating about the internet... that's not the game itself killing their interest... it's the tone of the reports. People do deserve to know that this game is better than it has been advertised to be... that it is quite possible to really enjoy playing this game. It may not be a conspiracy... but that doesn't mean that the reporting on this game has not be unfairly biased... it has. I meant people being fine with Bioware releasing a Mass Effect game to such poor reviews, I couldn't exactly tell what you meant in the beginning of your response, so apologies if I got it wrong. Regarding the reviews, I think a 75% min rating would be fair, and max being around 80%, but that's because I think I'm more tolerant to a lot of the issues the game has/had, it was released in a poor state across all platforms, if it's not technical, it's the writing, story, sidequest design, animations and whatnot. Considering all that, MEA was doomed to be crucified. At least it's much better than DAI. And yeah, I enjoyed both.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 9, 2017 19:13:50 GMT
I would say I'm anything but fine with that score... it's too low for this particular game. I'm not saying the game is a 90, but it is a better game than a 71. Many of the reviewers to gave extremely negative reviews were notably biased against this game in their reports for months or even a year or two before the game was released. The language and tone of their reports is also notably different than when they report on negative elements they've seen in other games. They set out ahead of time to prove up all their negative predictions rather than sampling and reviewing the game objectively. They deserve to loose credibility for that sort of reporting. They deserve to lose readers. People starting up playthroughs on YouTube have indicated at the start of their playthroughs have indicated that they've been put off by the reviews and multitude of memes floating about the internet... that's not the game itself killing their interest... it's the tone of the reports. People do deserve to know that this game is better than it has been advertised to be... that it is quite possible to really enjoy playing this game. It may not be a conspiracy... but that doesn't mean that the reporting on this game has not be unfairly biased... it has. I meant people being fine with Bioware releasing a Mass Effect game to such poor reviews, I couldn't exactly tell what you meant in the beginning of your response, so apologies if I got it wrong. Regarding the reviews, I think a 75% min rating would be fair, and max being around 80%, but that's because I think I'm more tolerant to a lot of the issues the game has/had, it was released in a poor state across all platforms, if it's not technical, it's the writing, story, sidequest design, animations and whatnot. Considering all that, MEA was doomed to be crucified. At least it's much better than DAI. And yeah, I enjoyed both. My point is that it was crucified even before it was released... and then doubly crucified based on a few short "previews" of an early build... then the writing was crucified long before anyone had a chance to play anything but a small fraction of the game. They ran across one line they failed to like (ie. My face is tired.) and jumped all over it like piranha. Personally, I think the writing of that line is excellent... She's referring to being tired of having to put on a brave face it public... Yes, the reference is strange... but we are supposed to be immersed in an unfamiliar circumstance. The reviewers continually badgered Bioware about not releasing information, griped about them not responding directly to every tweeted question... and now they complain that they didn't take enough time to polish the game (but when were their fans giving them the time to do anything but respond to prematurely irate fans) and every tidbit that came out resulted in a flood of negativity from the "press." Long before the game's release, the intentions of the media were very clear... it was highly unlikely that, unless the game was absolutely perfect in every way, the reviewers were going to give it a fair review. The article this refers to is more of the same continued badgering on things... many of which have been essentially fixed. Other things were never as bad as the reviewers made them out to be. The CC for instance... despite it being pummeled as being shear crap... I've seen so many very good looking Ryders and varied looking Ryders come out from it. I myself, who couldn't make a decent looking Shepard to save my life, was able to make a very decent looking set of twins on my first attempt with that CC (even before 1.08 dropped). It's a better game than it is still being made out to be. I have been paying attention... and the reviewers have well earned my disrespect.
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Post by ShadowAngel on Jun 9, 2017 19:23:43 GMT
I meant people being fine with Bioware releasing a Mass Effect game to such poor reviews, I couldn't exactly tell what you meant in the beginning of your response, so apologies if I got it wrong. Regarding the reviews, I think a 75% min rating would be fair, and max being around 80%, but that's because I think I'm more tolerant to a lot of the issues the game has/had, it was released in a poor state across all platforms, if it's not technical, it's the writing, story, sidequest design, animations and whatnot. Considering all that, MEA was doomed to be crucified. At least it's much better than DAI. And yeah, I enjoyed both. My point is that it was crucified even before it was released... and then doubly crucified based on a few short "previews" of an early build... then the writing was crucified long before anyone had a chance to play anything but a small fraction of the game. They ran across one line they failed to like (ie. My face is tired.) and jumped all over it like piranha. Personally, I think the writing of that line is excellent... She's referring to being tired of having to put on a brave face it public... Yes, the reference is strange... but we are supposed to be immersed in an unfamiliar circumstance. The reviewers continually badgered Bioware about not releasing information, griped about them not responding directly to every tweeted question... and now they complain that they didn't take enough time to polish the game (but when were their fans giving them the time to do anything but respond to prematurely irate fans) and every tidbit that came out resulted in a flood of negativity from the "press." Long before the game's release, the intentions of the media were very clear... it was highly unlikely that, unless the game was absolutely perfect in every way, the reviewers were going to give it a fair review. The article this refers to is more of the same continued badgering on things... many of which have been essentially fixed. Other things were never as bad as the reviewers made them out to be. The CC for instance... despite it being pummeled as being shear crap... I've seen so many very good looking Ryders and varied looking Ryders come out from it. I myself, who couldn't make a decent looking Shepard to save my life, was able to make a very decent looking set of twins on my first attempt with that CC (even before 1.08 dropped). It's a better game than it is still being made out to be. I have been paying attention... and the reviewers have well earned my disrespect. What of those who were looking forward to this game but got nothing but disappointment? Do you really think this game is getting hit because of some vandetta? Something every dev has to put up with? Bioware isn't so special to be the only ones getting this attention. It happens when you piss off/disappoint people, make the game great and it goes away.
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Post by suikoden on Jun 9, 2017 19:36:21 GMT
I meant people being fine with Bioware releasing a Mass Effect game to such poor reviews, I couldn't exactly tell what you meant in the beginning of your response, so apologies if I got it wrong. Regarding the reviews, I think a 75% min rating would be fair, and max being around 80%, but that's because I think I'm more tolerant to a lot of the issues the game has/had, it was released in a poor state across all platforms, if it's not technical, it's the writing, story, sidequest design, animations and whatnot. Considering all that, MEA was doomed to be crucified. At least it's much better than DAI. And yeah, I enjoyed both. My point is that it was crucified even before it was released... and then doubly crucified based on a few short "previews" of an early build... then the writing was crucified long before anyone had a chance to play anything but a small fraction of the game. They ran across one line they failed to like (ie. My face is tired.) and jumped all over it like piranha. Personally, I think the writing of that line is excellent... She's referring to being tired of having to put on a brave face it public... Yes, the reference is strange... but we are supposed to be immersed in an unfamiliar circumstance. The reviewers continually badgered Bioware about not releasing information, griped about them not responding directly to every tweeted question... and now they complain that they didn't take enough time to polish the game (but when were their fans giving them the time to do anything but respond to prematurely irate fans) and every tidbit that came out resulted in a flood of negativity from the "press." Long before the game's release, the intentions of the media were very clear... it was highly unlikely that, unless the game was absolutely perfect in every way, the reviewers were going to give it a fair review. The article this refers to is more of the same continued badgering on things... many of which have been essentially fixed. Other things were never as bad as the reviewers made them out to be. The CC for instance... despite it being pummeled as being shear crap... I've seen so many very good looking Ryders and varied looking Ryders come out from it. I myself, who couldn't make a decent looking Shepard to save my life, was able to make a very decent looking set of twins on my first attempt with that CC (even before 1.08 dropped). It's a better game than it is still being made out to be. I have been paying attention... and the reviewers have well earned my disrespect. I feel like it's far worse than what it's made out to be. 7/10 is far too generous. 1/10 is also ridiculous. 4/10 feels juuussst right.
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Post by abaris on Jun 9, 2017 19:41:48 GMT
Long before the game's release, the intentions of the media were very clear... it was highly unlikely that, unless the game was absolutely perfect in every way, the reviewers were going to give it a fair review. The media certainly had no such intentions. They tend to overrate every AAA title. Not because of the good old but wrong argument of ad money, but because of not getting early access, not being invited to special events and not being let in on the early stages of development. There is no media conspiracy to downrate any title by a major developer or publisher. That's a ludicrous claim from someone not knowing the inner workings of the media. I've worked as a journalist for the last 27 years and know a little bit about the pressure that is put on writers and publishers when they judge some new product too harshly. Others will get the story while you can only watch from the sidelines. That's the reason why we see unfair ratings. Not too low, but much too high in most cases. In this case they simply couldn't ignore what went wrong anymore. Not without blowing their own credibility. That's the only reason why this received the rating it got. And from where I am standing, it's a fair rating. Maybe the game magazines start to grow some spine after all. One can only wait and see when the next title is coming out.
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Post by simtam on Jun 9, 2017 19:56:22 GMT
Sorry, but I have to say this. These games are notorious for people not knowing how to use mods. And by that I mean the basics, such as looking at what a mod does, looking at the scripts it uses and if they may conflict with another mod, most of all not even reading the instructions for the mod. Such as known conflicts. Some people tend to install everything they can lay their hands on and go out bitching an moaning that the last mod they installed broke their game. Neither with Skyrim nor with FO4 I had any broken save. Mod maker after mod maker disagrees with you, including the designer of the Civil War mod. It's also been part of many folks experience. I'll never agree with you on this, it's simply false. Sorry, but including the designer of the Civil War mod does not make it any more credible. You can uninstall (*) any mod (**) and load a save game made before this mod was installed. That won't show the warning message, and the game should play on as if the mod was never installed. You don't have to start a new game every time you uninstall a mod. (*) Manually or with a robust mod organizing tool. NMM does not count in this aspect. (**) does not extend to SKSE pluging that would write files to your disk bypassing the game engine, or something.
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Post by Cyan_Griffonclaw on Jun 9, 2017 19:56:52 GMT
Long before the game's release, the intentions of the media were very clear... it was highly unlikely that, unless the game was absolutely perfect in every way, the reviewers were going to give it a fair review. The media certainly had no such intentions. They tend to overrate every AAA title. Not because of the good old but wrong argument of ad money, but because of not getting early access, not being invited to special events and not being let in on the early stages of development. There is no media conspiracy to downrate any title by a major developer or publisher. That's a ludicrous claim from someone not knowing the inner workings of the media. I've worked as a journalist for the last 27 years and know a little bit about the pressure that is put on writers and publishers when they judge some new product too harshly. Others will get the story while you can only watch from the sidelines.That's the reason why we see unfair ratings. Not too low, but much too high in most cases. In this case they simply couldn't ignore what went wrong anymore. Not without blowing their own credibility. That's the only reason why this received the rating it got. And from where I am standing, it's a fair rating. Maybe the game magazines start to grow some spine after all. One can only wait and see when the next title is coming out. And that's the truth. The other half of the media side is YouTubers who were expecting early access. They already went into the review annoyed and the most glaring issues couldn't be ignored. EA's embargo was real shady and BioWare is being punished for it. Add the fact that many of these companies thrive on advertising and it feels like they have to say something to save face. Otherwise, who's going to take them seriously ever again? Clicks are it. No clicks, no money. The most successful YouTubers are either critics or producers using content where it's like ShoddyCast, Oxhorn, UpisnotJump, Manslay3r, etc. They need successful products to keep their cottage industry going. There isn't a whole lot of BioWare produced stuff and that's a shame. Warden's Fall was awesome. Imagine what they could do with some modding tools in the Frostbite canvas? Oh man. Missed opportunity.
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Post by Fen'Harel Faceman on Jun 9, 2017 20:00:14 GMT
Mod maker after mod maker disagrees with you, including the designer of the Civil War mod. It's also been part of many folks experience. I'll never agree with you on this, it's simply false. Sorry, but including the designer of the Civil War mod does not make it any more credible. You can uninstall (*) any mod (**) and load a save game made before this mod was installed. That won't show the warning message, and the game should play on as if the mod was never installed. You don't have to start a new game every time you uninstall a mod. (*) Manually or with a robust mod organizing tool. NMM does not count in this aspect. (**) does not extend to SKSE pluging that would write files to your disk bypassing the game engine, or something. Since you didn't bother to read the entirety of my post, I won't bother to read the entirety of yours.
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Post by abaris on Jun 9, 2017 20:06:44 GMT
The other half of the media side is YouTubers who were expecting early access. They already went into the review annoyed and the most glaring issues couldn't be ignored. EA's embargo was real shady and BioWare is being punished for it. I haven't seen any of the major youtubers rating the game before they had full access. There were quite a lot playing the ten hours trial and posted some half baked shit based on that. But these weren't the usual game review channels, but some youtubers who desperately were clickbaiting to earn a little bit of cash by dropping the name MEA. There are only a select few youtubers that can even be considered to be on the same lines as the professional media. The ones who are in business for quite a long time already and the ones making their criteria for rating a game transparent. The meme producers certainly aren't. Even more so if they haven't reviewed any game before and just post random shit to rake in a few dimes of ad money. The promotion policy by EA was wrong in a facepalming way. Not granting early access to professionals, but opening up a trial through origins access to everyone weeks before release. That invited every idiot to take to the internet, while the professional side was silenced.
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Post by cypherj on Jun 9, 2017 20:09:34 GMT
71 was too high a score for the game I played at release, seeing the bugs and technical issues I was having with the game. I think the first thread here asking people to score it I said it was a 5, which would be 50 on Metacritic. After reading the article I don't see how anyone in those focus groups could have gotten they game I did and said the game was low to mid 80s. They must have lucked out on the bugs and tech issues.
The game isn't outstanding to begin with, but given the bugs and tech issues, the animations, and just the overall experience I don't think 71 is too low at all.
But I'm a person who rates every AAA game by the same standards. I remember when DA:2 came out people we saying well it's not that bad considering it only had 18 months development. 18 months or 5 years, I'm gonna judge it by the same standards.
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Post by Cyan_Griffonclaw on Jun 9, 2017 20:15:05 GMT
The other half of the media side is YouTubers who were expecting early access. They already went into the review annoyed and the most glaring issues couldn't be ignored. EA's embargo was real shady and BioWare is being punished for it. I haven't seen any of the major youtubers rating the game before they had full access. There were quite a lot playing the ten hours trial and posted some half baked shit based on that. But these weren't the usual game review channels, but some youtubers who desperately were clickbaiting to earn a little bit of cash by dropping the name MEA. There are only a select few youtubers that can even be considered to be on the same lines as the professional media. The ones who are in business for quite a long time already and the ones making their criteria for rating a game transparent. The meme producers certainly aren't. Even more so if they haven't reviewed any game before and just post random shit to rake in a few dimes of ad money. The promotion policy by EA was wrong in a facepalming way. Not granting early access to professionals, but opening up a trial through origins access to everyone weeks before release. That invited every idiot to take to the internet, while the professional side was silenced.(okay, putting on the tin foil cap) And I wonder how many had loyalties elsewhere. (removing tin cap) I would still love to see fan created content on YouTube. Seriously, I love Fallout and I get way more enjoyment watching stuff like Nuka Break and ShoddyCast than attempting to stay immersed in their product. Most of the content on YouTube following the word Andromeda is: sucks, ruined by SJWs, is the end of Bioware, etc.
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Post by abaris on Jun 9, 2017 20:16:14 GMT
71 was too high a score for the game I played at release, seeing the bugs and technical issues I was having with the game. I think the first thread here asking people to score it I said it was a 5, which would be 50 on Metacritic. After reading the article I don't see how anyone in those focus groups could have gotten they game I did and said the game was low to mid 80s. They must have lucked out on the bugs and tech issues. First, you don't know the recommendations that came with the judgment. And secondly, I'm pretty sure the same rules apply to these focus groups as for the media. It's a privilege to belong to these groups and they certainly aim to please and not to discourage if they can help it. In order to stay in that group. I also would also say, the bugs at release - I had double Jaal and Drack also, but nothing game breaking - never influenced what I thought of this game. I was confident that this would be fixed in time. My judgment of the 70 being justified is based on the game itself. How it presents itself as compared to previous Bioware titles, how much I could immerse myself in it and how much I liked the ride I was taken for.
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Post by rtrnofdmax on Jun 9, 2017 20:18:55 GMT
I liked the article and it shed some light for me. The followup video pisses me off because they choose to make a terrible looking character.
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Post by Kabraxal on Jun 9, 2017 20:21:36 GMT
Long before the game's release, the intentions of the media were very clear... it was highly unlikely that, unless the game was absolutely perfect in every way, the reviewers were going to give it a fair review. The media certainly had no such intentions. They tend to overrate every AAA title. Not because of the good old but wrong argument of ad money, but because of not getting early access, not being invited to special events and not being let in on the early stages of development. There is no media conspiracy to downrate any title by a major developer or publisher. That's a ludicrous claim from someone not knowing the inner workings of the media. I've worked as a journalist for the last 27 years and know a little bit about the pressure that is put on writers and publishers when they judge some new product too harshly. Others will get the story while you can only watch from the sidelines. That's the reason why we see unfair ratings. Not too low, but much too high in most cases. In this case they simply couldn't ignore what went wrong anymore. Not without blowing their own credibility. That's the only reason why this received the rating it got. And from where I am standing, it's a fair rating. Maybe the game magazines start to grow some spine after all. One can only wait and see when the next title is coming out. Considering the media fell over itself to present perfect score after perfect score to Breath of the Wild, despite getting hit by the sane flaws (and worse), the media had no credibility to blow. If BotW is a 97, then Andromeda is pretty much perfect.
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Post by abaris on Jun 9, 2017 20:31:52 GMT
Considering the media fell over itself to present perfect score after perfect score to Breath of the Wild, despite getting hit by the sane flaws (and worse), the media had no credibility to blow. If BotW is a 97, then Andromeda is pretty much perfect. I just looked up the ratings for two of the games that made it on Angry Joe's worst games of 2016 list on metacritic. No man's Sky, which was handed a 70 by the media, but only a 2,5 by the users. And The Division, which is closer. An 80 by the press and a 70 by the users. Based on what I've seen of these games, both media rating are too high. No man's sky might have interested me if it delivered on what it promised. But the Division wouldn't have interested me in any case, since the whole genre doesn't interest me. So maybe the score is rght for the people who are into games like Division. There hasn't been any rating by the industry that would have been too low. Only too high as compared to player expectations.
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Post by suikoden on Jun 9, 2017 20:34:50 GMT
The media certainly had no such intentions. They tend to overrate every AAA title. Not because of the good old but wrong argument of ad money, but because of not getting early access, not being invited to special events and not being let in on the early stages of development. There is no media conspiracy to downrate any title by a major developer or publisher. That's a ludicrous claim from someone not knowing the inner workings of the media. I've worked as a journalist for the last 27 years and know a little bit about the pressure that is put on writers and publishers when they judge some new product too harshly. Others will get the story while you can only watch from the sidelines. That's the reason why we see unfair ratings. Not too low, but much too high in most cases. In this case they simply couldn't ignore what went wrong anymore. Not without blowing their own credibility. That's the only reason why this received the rating it got. And from where I am standing, it's a fair rating. Maybe the game magazines start to grow some spine after all. One can only wait and see when the next title is coming out. Considering the media fell over itself to present perfect score after perfect score to Breath of the Wild, despite getting hit by the sane flaws (and worse), the media had no credibility to blow. If BotW is a 97, then Andromeda is pretty much perfect. Perfectly adequate? Perfectly mediocre? Your hate for great games like TW3 and BOTW make my dislike of Andromeda look like constructive criticism lol
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Post by Cyan_Griffonclaw on Jun 9, 2017 20:46:27 GMT
I liked the article and it shed some light for me. The followup video pisses me off because they choose to make a terrible looking character. Thank you so much.
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Post by Cyonan on Jun 9, 2017 20:55:05 GMT
Sounds like a complete shitshow of a development cycle, which isn't surprising when you consider that a game with a 5 year development time feels rushed in many regards. That's pretty much the prime hallmark of a troubled development cycle.
Still it's a shame they couldn't get the original vision of the game working properly. I'd have loved to see that version of the game being described where exploration was a much bigger element than what we got in the game and there was a lot more planets to explore with spaceflight being a thing.
From what this article says it sounds like the crux of the issue was management. No project lead should have let development run on for 3 years before realizing "oh shit, this isn't going to work". The shift in direction should have happened well before the end of 2015 which would have given them more than 18 months to create the bulk of the game that we did get(meaning crunch time could have been used for polish like it should have been rather than trying to finish everything up and hold it all together).
I'm not gonna give them a free pass because of this but all things considered if there is truth to the article then it's kind of impressive that we even got what we did.
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Post by Kabraxal on Jun 9, 2017 20:55:37 GMT
Considering the media fell over itself to present perfect score after perfect score to Breath of the Wild, despite getting hit by the sane flaws (and worse), the media had no credibility to blow. If BotW is a 97, then Andromeda is pretty much perfect. Perfectly adequate? Perfectly mediocre? Your hate for great games like TW3 and BOTW make my dislike of Andromeda look like constructive criticism lol So cliched cartoon characters, a lacking story, completly filler based quest system, and boring world are okay to throw at Andromeda as criticisms, but Breath if the Wild gets a pass simple because it slapped Zelda on the box? That is the hypocrisy that makes me laugh. BotW fails harder than Andromeda in every single way Andromeda is crucified for. But it's perfect. Perfectly awful. As for TW3, I've stated numerous times that the dark fantasy cliches fail to impress and absolutely bore me. So the story is not engaging, the characters flat and listless (Ciri and Lambert are awesome though), and the side quests just have nothing to then lift them from their repitition for me (don't kid yourself, there is as much filler and repitition in TW3 as DA or ME). If you enjoy the dark dantasy tropes, I can see why you rate it better than I would (at 6/10 maximum in my opinion). The big difference between TW3 and Andromeda/Inquisition is subjective taste. The tropes and your preference will be the defining difference in score. For BotW, the subjective preference has little to do with the difference in scores. If you massacre Andromeda for filler, story, characters, and world design then you better massacre BotW because it is objectively worse. It almost has no story, the characters and dialogue are fit only for Saturday morning cartoons (well, not good Ones), the world is literally only filler on top of filler.... there is no way to forgive Zelda those flaws and hold Andromeda to the fire.
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Post by Cyan_Griffonclaw on Jun 9, 2017 21:01:09 GMT
Sounds like a complete shitshow of a development cycle, which isn't surprising when you consider that a game with a 5 year development time feels rushed in many regards. That's pretty much the prime hallmark of a troubled development cycle. Still it's a shame they couldn't get the original vision of the game working properly. I'd have loved to see that version of the game being described where exploration was a much bigger element than what we got in the game and there was a lot more planets to explore with spaceflight being a thing. From what this article says it sounds like the crux of the issue was management. No project lead should have let development run on for 3 years before realizing "oh shit, this isn't going to work". The shift in direction should have happened well before the end of 2015 which would have given them more than 18 months to create the bulk of the game that we did get(meaning crunch time could have been used for polish like it should have been rather than trying to finish everything up and hold it all together). I'm not gonna give them a free pass because of this but all things considered if there is truth to the article then it's kind of impressive that we even got what we did.Thanks to the developers that hung on. They made it happen. Not... anyone... else.
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Post by panzerwzh on Jun 9, 2017 21:03:20 GMT
Considering the product quality , 18 month development time sounds about right for MEA.
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Post by abaris on Jun 9, 2017 21:05:27 GMT
The big difference between TW3 and Andromeda/Inquisition is subjective taste. Stop right there. There is no such thing as Andromeda/Inquisition. I still love Inquisition and sure as hell will do another playthrough. After more than a dozen already. I'm not so sure doing another PT with Andromeda. I had my fun with that game but in my opinion it doesn't hold a candle to Inquisition. The characters alone make sure of that. I never played TW3 because having a fixed lead bores me. So I can't judge the game but going by what I hear from others, it seems to be quite good. Same goes for Zelda. I certainly won't buy Nintendo gear to play that game. But again, going by what I heard and what reviewers who's judgment I trust said about it, it seems to be a good game.
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Post by suikoden on Jun 9, 2017 21:06:01 GMT
Perfectly adequate? Perfectly mediocre? Your hate for great games like TW3 and BOTW make my dislike of Andromeda look like constructive criticism lol So cliched cartoon characters, a lacking story, completly filler based quest system, and boring world are okay to throw at Andromeda as criticisms, but Breath if the Wild gets a pass simple because it slapped Zelda on the box? That is the hypocrisy that makes me laugh. BotW fails harder than Andromeda in every single way Andromeda is crucified for. But it's perfect. Perfectly awful. As for TW3, I've stated numerous times that the dark fantasy cliches fail to impress and absolutely bore me. So the story is not engaging, the characters flat and listless (Ciri and Lambert are awesome though), and the side quests just have nothing to then lift them from their repitition for me (don't kid yourself, there is as much filler and repitition in TW3 as DA or ME). If you enjoy the dark dantasy tropes, I can see why you rate it better than I would (at 6/10 maximum in my opinion). The big difference between TW3 and Andromeda/Inquisition is subjective taste. The tropes and your preference will be the defining difference in score. For BotW, the subjective preference has little to do with the difference in scores. If you massacre Andromeda for filler, story, characters, and world design then you better massacre BotW because it is objectively worse. It almost has no story, the characters and dialogue are fit only for Saturday morning cartoons (well, not good Ones), the world is literally only filler on top of filler.... there is no way to forgive Zelda those flaws and hold Andromeda to the fire. You're just kinda delusional about TW3 and BOTW more so, as that game is incredible - we'll have to agree to disagree on everything.
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