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Post by CrutchCricket on Oct 19, 2016 20:14:00 GMT
Ashley/Kaidan should've been required for the From Ashes dlc YESSS! Thank you, I agree that if Liara is a required squadmate for the From Ashes mission on Eden Prime, simply for her Prothean expertise and the sight of her fangirling all over the place, then so should have been the VS required as well. While ultimately bringing them along only grants you one line laced with nostalgia, if they had been required for the mission, then like Liara there could have been more references to ME1 and the significance of Shepard and the VS being back on Eden Prime, the first mission from the first game, discovering a Prothean, reflecting on everything that has since happened since then. It was such a missed oppurtunity I think. Liara wasn't on Eden Prime first time around. She's literally there to fangirl. We could have had EDI for the knowledge needed to open the pod. Shepard does most of the heavy lifting anyway courtesy of the cipher, Liara just goes 'oh, so you understood that'? Goes green with envy blah blah. Kaidan/Ashley should have been there. Bringing things full circle or whatever else, it would have just been nice on the writers part to add this element to it. From Ashes was full of missed opportunities really, given its positioning within the overall timeframe of ME3's missions. Why? All that's good for is nostalgia. "Oh look, this is where we first met. Crazy, huh? How bout that Jenkins? At least he had chicken." if Ashley and even less if Kaidan. There's no proactive useful ties between the VS and Eden Prime. With Liara there's at least the pretense of useful ties, even if she ends up being mostly useless. That kind of stuff may indeed be neat to have if you do bring them but it shouldn't have been a requirement.
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Post by dmc1001 on Oct 20, 2016 4:42:39 GMT
But it's possible to kill them in the citadel coup. I would know, since I (deliberately) killed Kaidan in it. It should never of been possible I agree 100%. I don't think shooting good people for a misunderstanding should ever be an option. Especially people who had your back in the past.
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Post by Vortex13 on Oct 20, 2016 13:09:48 GMT
I feel that the Turians should have gotten a lot better treatment out of the narrative. The story wants everyone to worry about Earth, to cry at the fall of Thessia, to cheer on the Krogan living on Tuchunka, etc but we are only given a passing nod to Palaven. Out of all the other major species involved in the fight against the Reapers its the Turians who are actually doing the most to slow them down and keep them occupied. Earth fell in a matter of hours and contributed a grand total of zilch to the war effort, and yet we are all supposed to be jumping at the chance to Take. Back. Earth. I'm sorry, but Earth is a lost cause with literally zero tactical significance to the conflict at hand; before the plot demanded that the Reapers move the Citadel there at any rate. Because of their stanch resistance, Palavan has seen the most horrific devastation out of any Citadel species, and yet the game still has Shepard point to a continent sized inferno raging across the surface of the Turain home world and go "Double that for Earth." No Shepard, Earth has not seen near that level of devastation, and to continue to ask for aid to go retake it after seeing the results of Turian defense I really wanted to hit my in-game avatar in the face. The game wants us to divert resources from a planet that is actually still contested and throw them away on retaking a world far behind enemy lines with zero tactical significance. I was almost wishing for Earth to get Titan A.E.-ed by the end of the campaign.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 20, 2016 13:42:39 GMT
YESSS! Thank you, I agree that if Liara is a required squadmate for the From Ashes mission on Eden Prime, simply for her Prothean expertise and the sight of her fangirling all over the place, then so should have been the VS required as well. While ultimately bringing them along only grants you one line laced with nostalgia, if they had been required for the mission, then like Liara there could have been more references to ME1 and the significance of Shepard and the VS being back on Eden Prime, the first mission from the first game, discovering a Prothean, reflecting on everything that has since happened since then. It was such a missed oppurtunity I think. Liara wasn't on Eden Prime first time around. She's literally there to fangirl. We could have had EDI for the knowledge needed to open the pod. Shepard does most of the heavy lifting anyway courtesy of the cipher, Liara just goes 'oh, so you understood that'? Goes green with envy blah blah. Kaidan/Ashley should have been there. Bringing things full circle or whatever else, it would have just been nice on the writers part to add this element to it. From Ashes was full of missed opportunities really, given its positioning within the overall timeframe of ME3's missions. Why? All that's good for is nostalgia. "Oh look, this is where we first met. Crazy, huh? How bout that Jenkins? At least he had chicken." if Ashley and even less if Kaidan. There's no proactive useful ties between the VS and Eden Prime. With Liara there's at least the pretense of useful ties, even if she ends up being mostly useless. That kind of stuff may indeed be neat to have if you do bring them but it shouldn't have been a requirement. I only thought this since Liara was required, it would be cool for Kaidan and or Ash to be required as well. Javik isn't required for Thessia, but Liara is for example, and there are others where I feel a squadmate should or could have been required. The whole required element wouldn't even be a problem, if some squadmates weren't mandatory in the first place I feel, it just opens it up to missions where I feel if this squdmate was required in one mission, then this squadmate should be required for this one etc. Granted Eden Prime would have been just nostalgia, Liara just brought her usual Prothean 'expertise', and that was it. I thought James' quip about dinosaurs was more necessary to morale than all the help Liara did in that particular mission.
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Post by CrutchCricket on Oct 20, 2016 14:08:42 GMT
I only thought this since Liara was required, it would be cool for Kaidan and or Ash to be required as well. Javik isn't required for Thessia, but Liara is for example, and there are others where I feel a squadmate should or could have been required. The whole required element wouldn't even be a problem, if some squadmates weren't mandatory in the first place I feel, it just opens it up to missions where I feel if this squdmate was required in one mission, then this squadmate should be required for this one etc. Granted Eden Prime would have been just nostalgia, Liara just brought her usual Prothean 'expertise', and that was it. I thought James' quip about dinosaurs was more necessary to morale than all the help Liara did in that particular mission. Likely the drawbacks were considered for locking in both squadmates like that. Personally I feel Javik is 100% necessary at Thessia but there would be complaints if your squad was locked to Liara and Javik for that mission. So do you do you make one required for the commentary or one that has a logical story tie to the place and their absence would be completely glaring (like not having Miranda at Cronos)? The latter should always take priority I think. For Eden Prime, you're looking for a Prothean, makes sense you bring the Prothean expert with you. That the mechanics of the mission kind of trivialized her role is a separate matter.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 20, 2016 15:18:18 GMT
I only thought this since Liara was required, it would be cool for Kaidan and or Ash to be required as well. Javik isn't required for Thessia, but Liara is for example, and there are others where I feel a squadmate should or could have been required. The whole required element wouldn't even be a problem, if some squadmates weren't mandatory in the first place I feel, it just opens it up to missions where I feel if this squdmate was required in one mission, then this squadmate should be required for this one etc. Granted Eden Prime would have been just nostalgia, Liara just brought her usual Prothean 'expertise', and that was it. I thought James' quip about dinosaurs was more necessary to morale than all the help Liara did in that particular mission. Likely the drawbacks were considered for locking in both squadmates like that. Personally I feel Javik is 100% necessary at Thessia but there would be complaints if your squad was locked to Liara and Javik for that mission. So do you do you make one required for the commentary or one that has a logical story tie to the place and their absence would be completely glaring (like not having Miranda at Cronos)? The latter should always take priority I think. For Eden Prime, you're looking for a Prothean, makes sense you bring the Prothean expert with you. That the mechanics of the mission kind of trivialized her role is a separate matter. I agree Miranda should have been present in someway (provided she survived of course) but I appreciated the mission for allowing EDI some time to prove her worth.
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Post by CrutchCricket on Oct 20, 2016 15:23:08 GMT
I agree Miranda should have been present in someway (provided she survived of course) but I appreciated the mission for allowing EDI some time to prove her worth. Yeah it was good for EDI but would've been better for Miranda. EDI made sense and was appropriate for the setting. Miranda would've not only been just as appropriate but it was also a needed closure for her character arc. It would've been beneficial both ways. As it is it's so glaringly incomplete it's not even funny.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 20, 2016 15:46:07 GMT
I agree Miranda should have been present in someway (provided she survived of course) but I appreciated the mission for allowing EDI some time to prove her worth. Yeah it was good for EDI but would've been better for Miranda. EDI made sense and was appropriate for the setting. Miranda would've not only been just as appropriate but it was also a needed closure for her character arc. It would've been beneficial both ways. As it is it's so glaringly incomplete it's not even funny. I agree, I would have liked it for Miranda's limited arc in ME3 to not have basically begun and end with her father and Oriana. Closing her arc off with Cerberus as well would have been nice, since its either brushed off in your first encounter with her on the Citadel in ME3, or there's just that one resignation line in ME2 if she is present for the encounter with the Proto-Reaper. Miranda having a wider role where Cerberus and the Illusive Man are concerned would have been preferable to her exhausted daddy issues storyline, most of the Cerberus stuff was delegated to video logs in Cronos, and we didn't even get to see her fight with Kai Leng, I would have loved to have seen one squad member actually beat him in combat after he magically managed to stop Thane, then Miranda, then became a pushover during his battles with Shep. In regards to Cronos, and the issue of two mandatory squadmates, I can't help but feel though that in the case of Miranda and EDI, they should have been mandatory. Obviously for Miranda, but with EDI as well, it was great to finally get to all the questions regarding her answered, and her arc to come nearly full circle before her thanking Shep at the FOB with her feeling alive monologue. It made EDI so much more compelling and rounded a character when it was Shepard helping her with her questions regarding humanity and feeling alive etc, and her relation to Cerberus, than any crap that came with her pairing with Joker. Also TIM and EDI having that brief little exchange was great as well.
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Post by themikefest on Oct 20, 2016 15:46:31 GMT
Having the edibot on Cronos wasn't necessary. It amounted to nothing. Miranda would be a better candidate for the mission
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Post by olnorton on Oct 21, 2016 0:27:38 GMT
Javik isn't required for Thessia, but Liara is for example, and there are others where I feel a squadmate should or could have been required. If they made Javik compulsory, they would have to remove Thessia from the game for those without his DLC. Or make two completely different versions of it.
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Post by themikefest on Oct 21, 2016 0:40:16 GMT
Javik isn't required for Thessia, but Liara is for example, and there are others where I feel a squadmate should or could have been required. If they made Javik compulsory, they would have to remove Thessia from the game for those without his DLC. Or make two completely different versions of it. I wouldn't have a problem if Thessia is removed. Its the worst mission in the trilogy. I like having Javik on that mission to listen to him talk smack to the asari.
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Post by gothpunkboy89 on Oct 21, 2016 2:56:31 GMT
I agree Miranda should have been present in someway (provided she survived of course) but I appreciated the mission for allowing EDI some time to prove her worth. Yeah it was good for EDI but would've been better for Miranda. EDI made sense and was appropriate for the setting. Miranda would've not only been just as appropriate but it was also a needed closure for her character arc. It would've been beneficial both ways. As it is it's so glaringly incomplete it's not even funny. The sum total of her character arc involves her dad and sister. She joined Cerberus because TIM agreed to hide her from her father and then provide resources to hide her sister in exchange for her assistance. Once she leaves Cerberus TIM goes back on the deal and starts working with her father who stopped his funding toward Cerberus specifically because TIM agreed to help assist her. Once she confronts her dad and kills him her character arc is over. There is nothing to close it on the Cronos station because her entire arrangement with Cerberus and TIM was a business arrangement. TIM protected her from her father and provided resources so she could keep her sister safe and in return she would run what ever program TIM wanted her to run for the advancement of Cerberus's plan.
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Post by aoibhealfae on Oct 21, 2016 3:28:09 GMT
Miranda is a character written specifically for a role as a beautiful sexy character and yet her entire background is filled with contradictions. Rather than having her simply being Henry Lawson's natural daughter, instead she have to be a genetically-enhanced human based on the man himself. Unless Henry Lawson is a chimera (someone having both male and female DNA.. usually meant he absorbed a twin), this only make Miranda being biologically younger version of Henry Lawson with 'perfect female' characteristics. Actually, I really would love her more if the game actually explore this.
Then she joined Cerberus because she knew her father put money to the organization and somehow she knew his boss would hide her from him. The reason why Oriana was at Sanctuary was because Miranda herself gave her to Cerberus after Ilium. Shocker...
It actually make sense having Miranda briefly joining Normandy after Horizon to help finding Cronus station. EDI could've hack the consoles from the ship (as she did in ME2). Miranda did ended up leading her own special ops team targeting Cerberus assets, so why wouldn't she be an asset for the actual attack on the HQ.
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Post by CrutchCricket on Oct 21, 2016 4:08:01 GMT
The sum total of her character arc involves her dad and sister. She joined Cerberus because TIM agreed to hide her from her father and then provide resources to hide her sister in exchange for her assistance. Once she leaves Cerberus TIM goes back on the deal and starts working with her father who stopped his funding toward Cerberus specifically because TIM agreed to help assist her. Once she confronts her dad and kills him her character arc is over. There is nothing to close it on the Cronos station because her entire arrangement with Cerberus and TIM was a business arrangement. TIM protected her from her father and provided resources so she could keep her sister safe and in return she would run what ever program TIM wanted her to run for the advancement of Cerberus's plan. I suggest you play ME2 again, where you have several conversations with her about how fulfilling working on Cerberus projects has been, how she actively joined after they helped get her away from Lawson because she envied the STG for the operational freedom they had, and in general how much she toed the Cerberus line. She pitched the organization to Shepard, defended all their previous fuckups and was by all accounts, a true believer until TIM started openly stabbing them in the back and withholding information. Then continue to playthroughs where you keep the CB or whatever other criteria there is where she doesn't quit, and finally to ME3 where they retcon her into being the second in command for the whole damn organization. But sure, yeah it was all about her daddy issues. Miranda is a character written specifically for a role as a beautiful sexy character and yet her entire background is filled with contradictions. Rather than having her simply being Henry Lawson's natural daughter, instead she have to be a genetically-enhanced human based on the man himself. Unless Henry Lawson is a chimera (someone having both male and female DNA.. usually meant he absorbed a twin), this only make Miranda being biologically younger version of Henry Lawson with 'perfect female' characteristics. Actually, I really would love her more if the game actually explore this. Then she joined Cerberus because she knew her father put money to the organization and somehow she knew his boss would hide her from him. The reason why Oriana was at Sanctuary was because Miranda herself gave her to Cerberus after Ilium. Shocker... Uhm, isn't making an male embryo female like, super easy (conceptually at least)? Duplicate the X chromosome or something? It's going the other way that's hard. And joining Cerberus wasn't about hiding, it was about being out of Lawson's reach. She joined them for protection and better-deal'd her father's money. With her they got a bright capable operative for both scientific and more clandestine pursuits. Someone of her caliber would be well worth the loss of Lawson's funds- especially since Cerberus clearly didn't need them, going by the ridiculous resources they end up having and spending. Finally, at the time Miranda arranged Oriana's relocation she had no reason to expect she'd leave Cerberus. Why wouldn't she use them?
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Post by aoibhealfae on Oct 21, 2016 8:09:29 GMT
Uhm, isn't making an male embryo female like, super easy (conceptually at least)? Duplicate the X chromosome or something? It's going the other way that's hard. No. Its really not easy and quite unnecessary. A person can live with just a single X chromosome expressed. Assuming Henry Lawson have a severe genetic defect that completely affected his reproductive capacity and the only way he could pass his legacy over was to artificially create his 'perfect daughters' through a form of induced mosaicism, cloning and additional genetic modification. I suppose its possible to artificially inactivate Y-chromosome and certain gene expression during fetal development so that the fetus would develop female characteristics. Miranda could be a rare 45,X who is genotypically male, but phenotypically female. Her extensive modification could have been intentional to mitigate common complications regarding the condition. She was hiding her sister from her father and from Cerberus as well. Regardless of her personal issues, her father and TIM still held her with a leash. Henry Lawson's experiments regarding the creation of his daughters and his research and work and his extensive knowledge about reaper tech and the creation of Cerberus husks from human hosts showed that he is extremely competent in the field. He isn't just a regular rich guy, he is a very experienced and successful scientist and possibly one of the top ranking scientific officer for Cerberus. He's a crazy person but a scientific genius. He's the Howard Stark for Mass Effect. Doesn't make sense for TIM to cut ties with him when he could have them both working for him.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 21, 2016 12:05:02 GMT
It should never of been possible I agree 100%. I don't think shooting good people for a misunderstanding should ever be an option. Especially people who had your back in the past. Then is should not have been possible to shoot Wrex in ME1. The Citadel Coup standoff is almost a carbon copy of that first scenario with Wrex.
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Post by themikefest on Oct 21, 2016 12:12:00 GMT
I agree 100%. I don't think shooting good people for a misunderstanding should ever be an option. Especially people who had your back in the past. Then is should not have been possible to shoot Wrex in ME1. The Citadel Coup standoff is almost a carbon copy of that first scenario with Wrex. Is it almost a carbon copy?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 21, 2016 12:16:27 GMT
Then is should not have been possible to shoot Wrex in ME1. The Citadel Coup standoff is almost a carbon copy of that first scenario with Wrex. Is it almost a carbon copy? Yes, it is. dmc1001's perspective was this: ... and shooting Wrex is shooting Wrex is shooting a person who has had Shepard's back throughout the game over a misunderstanding. There are enough lines also that indicates the Wrex is also basically a "good person." So, yeah, it's essentially the same scenario repeated.
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Yes, it is. dmc1001's perspective was this: I don't agree. Ashley/Kaidan had cause especially when Udina shows evidence showing Shepard shooting the councilor. Also, Ashley/Kaidan relaxed for a moment when Shepard and squad come through the door. Wrex had no cause to draw his weapon and never relaxed. Wrex is an idiot. First , if not recruited on the Citadel, he pushes/shoves/whatever before Shepard takes the elevator up to the Normandy. Then he wants to join Shepard to go after Saren. Why would I want him on my squad after he pushed/shoved/whatever? How do I know he won't do something worse? Then on Virmire he gets it in his head that if he pulls out his weapon and points it at Shepard that everyone will forget about stopping Saren and get the cure, if there really was one, to make him happy. Again he plays the idiot ball. If he had any common sense, and he never did, he would realize that if he did shoot Shepard, he would be gunned down by the other squadmates and by the salarians as well. He gives everyone another reason why the genophage shouldn't be cured.
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Post by gothpunkboy89 on Oct 21, 2016 13:01:32 GMT
The sum total of her character arc involves her dad and sister. She joined Cerberus because TIM agreed to hide her from her father and then provide resources to hide her sister in exchange for her assistance. Once she leaves Cerberus TIM goes back on the deal and starts working with her father who stopped his funding toward Cerberus specifically because TIM agreed to help assist her. Once she confronts her dad and kills him her character arc is over. There is nothing to close it on the Cronos station because her entire arrangement with Cerberus and TIM was a business arrangement. TIM protected her from her father and provided resources so she could keep her sister safe and in return she would run what ever program TIM wanted her to run for the advancement of Cerberus's plan. I suggest you play ME2 again, where you have several conversations with her about how fulfilling working on Cerberus projects has been, how she actively joined after they helped get her away from Lawson because she envied the STG for the operational freedom they had, and in general how much she toed the Cerberus line. She pitched the organization to Shepard, defended all their previous fuckups and was by all accounts, a true believer until TIM started openly stabbing them in the back and withholding information. Then continue to playthroughs where you keep the CB or whatever other criteria there is where she doesn't quit, and finally to ME3 where they retcon her into being the second in command for the whole damn organization. But sure, yeah it was all about her daddy issues. So when TIM betrays SHEPARD NOT MIRANDA she loses faith in him. It is only when she quits with all the details of his organizations high level member would have that he actively turns against her. Because again TIM kept his side of the bargain with Miranda and only once Miranda broke her side did he break his side of it. And I'm sorry but the being jealous of another secret agency doesn't really count as a good reason she would have to be there to watch Cerberus fall. Your going to have to tell me the specific conversation with Miranda and or TIM in ME 3 that says she was second in command of the whole organization. Because I've played ME 3 several times and never saw that conversation pop up. Please tell me which interaction this happens with. And preferably can you post a video of it?
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Post by gothpunkboy89 on Oct 21, 2016 13:07:57 GMT
Yes, it is. dmc1001's perspective was this: I don't agree. Ashley/Kaidan had cause especially when Udina shows evidence showing Shepard shooting the councilor. Also, Ashley/Kaidan relaxed for a moment when Shepard and squad come through the door. Wrex had no cause to draw his weapon and never relaxed. Wrex is an idiot. First , if not recruited on the Citadel, he pushes/shoves/whatever before Shepard takes the elevator up to the Normandy. Then he wants to join Shepard to go after Saren. Why would I want him on my squad after he pushed/shoved/whatever? How do I know he won't do something worse? Then on Virmire he gets it in his head that if he pulls out his weapon and points it at Shepard that everyone will forget about stopping Saren and get the cure, if there really was one, to make him happy. Again he plays the idiot ball. If he had any common sense, and he never did, he would realize that if he did shoot Shepard, he would be gunned down by the other squadmates and by the salarians as well. He gives everyone another reason why the genophage shouldn't be cured. Shepard planned to destroy an apparent cure for the genophage which would have helped his race. That is plenty of reason to draw a weapon. For a race that is quite literally dying off due to the genophage Wrex reaching for a shotgun the second they casually dismiss the cure and want to destroy it without even attempting to save it. Kind of makes a lot of sense.
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Yes, it is. dmc1001's perspective was this: I don't agree. Ashley/Kaidan had cause especially when Udina shows evidence showing Shepard shooting the councilor. Also, Ashley/Kaidan relaxed for a moment when Shepard and squad come through the door. Wrex had no cause to draw his weapon and never relaxed. Wrex is an idiot. First , if not recruited on the Citadel, he pushes/shoves/whatever before Shepard takes the elevator up to the Normandy. Then he wants to join Shepard to go after Saren. Why would I want him on my squad after he pushed/shoved/whatever? How do I know he won't do something worse? Then on Virmire he gets it in his head that if he pulls out his weapon and points it at Shepard that everyone will forget about stopping Saren and get the cure, if there really was one, to make him happy. Again he plays the idiot ball. If he had any common sense, and he never did, he would realize that if he did shoot Shepard, he would be gunned down by the other squadmates and by the salarians as well. He gives everyone another reason why the genophage shouldn't be cured. I didn't expect you'd agree because I know how you feel about Wrex. The point is he's had your back the entire game and he's basically a "good" person who just, up to that point in time, just wanted to help you bring down Saren. Also, up to that point in time, he's been killing other krogan who work with Saran. He's thrown into an emotional conflict when confronted with the possibility that what Saren is doing will help his people survive. dmc1001 is the one who used the word "ever" in his statement... meaning "no exceptions." If you agree with dmc1001's statement "I don't think shooting good people for a misunderstanding should ever be an option. Especially people who had your back in the past." then it holds that shooting Wrex should not be an option... period. Whether or not Shepard or Garrus decides to shoot Ashley or Kaidan depends on his/her assessment of whether or not that person is going to shoot Shepard. The game dialogue allows the player to become convinced that the VS does intend to shoot rather than let the mission be completed... and, therefore, the option to shoot them should exist in the game... player's choice whether or not they use it and for what reasons they do.
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Post by themikefest on Oct 21, 2016 13:48:44 GMT
I didn't expect you'd agree because I know how you feel about Wrex. The point is he's had your back the entire game and he's basically a "good" person who just, up to that point in time, just wanted to help you bring down Saren. Also, up to that point in time, he's been killing other krogan who work with Saran. He's thrown into an emotional conflict when confronted with the possibility that what Saren is doing will help his people survive. dmc1001 is the one who used the word "ever" in his statement... meaning "no exceptions." If you agree with dmc1001's statement "I don't think shooting good people for a misunderstanding should ever be an option. Especially people who had your back in the past." then it holds that shooting Wrex should not be an option... period. Whether or not Shepard or Garrus decides to shoot Ashley or Kaidan depends on his/her assessment of whether or not that person is going to shoot Shepard. The game dialogue allows the player to become convinced that the VS does intend to shoot rather than let the mission be completed... and, therefore, the option to shoot them should exist in the game... player's choice whether or not they use it and for what reasons they do. Wrex never had your back. If he did, he would not of drawn his weapon at Shepard. But that's how krogan handle things. They think using a shotgun will get them what they want. Wrex had no reason to point his weapon at Shepard. In fact he had no reason to even draw his weapon. But again, he's a krogan believing his shotgun will get him what he wants. He gives me another reason not to cure the genophage. And getting himself killed is not helping his species. Yeah. He's an idiot. Good thing there's the option not to recruit him. When you say "especially people who had your back in the past", who are you referring to?
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Post by CrutchCricket on Oct 21, 2016 13:54:34 GMT
No. Its really not easy and quite unnecessary. A person can live with just a single X chromosome expressed. Assuming Henry Lawson have a severe genetic defect that completely affected his reproductive capacity and the only way he could pass his legacy over was to artificially create his 'perfect daughters' through a form of induced mosaicism, cloning and additional genetic modification. I suppose its possible to artificially inactivate Y-chromosome and certain gene expression during fetal development so that the fetus would develop female characteristics. Miranda could be a rare 45,X who is genotypically male, but phenotypically female. Her extensive modification could have been intentional to mitigate common complications regarding the condition. Could've sworn that was a thing. Maybe not relating to this game but... Here we go: www.quora.com/Genetic-Engineering-Is-it-possible-to-clone-an-opposite-gender-version-of-yourselfNo comments on the plausibility of this in real life of course. But in ME, it could entirely be possible, given what we're told of Lawson's intellect and resources. Also, I don't think Lawson chose this route out of necessity. We're told the man is an egotistical narcissist, quite possibly the biggest one in the galaxy. It seems he didn't want to breed perfection so much as create it, manipulated and brand it at the genetic level. And then when we consider that he created a female with perfect er.... assets and proportions, well.... I don't think he acts much like a normal human being. She was hiding her sister from her father and from Cerberus as well. Regardless of her personal issues, her father and TIM still held her with a leash. Henry Lawson's experiments regarding the creation of his daughters and his research and work and his extensive knowledge about reaper tech and the creation of Cerberus husks from human hosts showed that he is extremely competent in the field. He isn't just a regular rich guy, he is a very experienced and successful scientist and possibly one of the top ranking scientific officer for Cerberus. He's a crazy person but a scientific genius. He's the Howard Stark for Mass Effect. Doesn't make sense for TIM to cut ties with him when he could have them both working for him. She wasn't hiding anyone from Cerberus at first. She had no reason to, she was working for them. Once she cut ties, yes she should've hid Oriana from Cerberus as well as even without her father in the picture, they could retaliate against her. However, Cerberus assassins probably preventer her from doing that. Come ME3 we're told she's been on the run for some time and she looks more disheveled and gaunt. She probably wasn't able to make the proper arrangements and she'd hardly want Oriana on the run with her. Yes, Lawson is a genius but a egotistical genius who only cares about himself and his legacy. That's part of why Miranda's so disgusted with him. So despite his funding of them, he's hardly interested in working for Cerberus. The funding is probably pure business, money in exchange for certain favors or off the books acquisitions. So when TIM betrays SHEPARD NOT MIRANDA she loses faith in him. It is only when she quits with all the details of his organizations high level member would have that he actively turns against her. Because again TIM kept his side of the bargain with Miranda and only once Miranda broke her side did he break his side of it. And I'm sorry but the being jealous of another secret agency doesn't really count as a good reason she would have to be there to watch Cerberus fall. Your going to have to tell me the specific conversation with Miranda and or TIM in ME 3 that says she was second in command of the whole organization. Because I've played ME 3 several times and never saw that conversation pop up. Please tell me which interaction this happens with. And preferably can you post a video of it? TIM betrayed them all by withholding information and leading them into a trap again and again. Miranda's on the ship too, you know. Prior to that she had faith that while Cerberus was ruthless, they weren't careless or flippant with people's lives the way the Alliance would have you believe. Probably also believed she was special due to her face-to-face contact with TIM (remember, less than a handful of people had that privilege). Faith shaken, she turns against him. The point is that faith was there to begin with. She was a full on Cerberus supporter and one of the few operatives that ever got close enough to TIM to see his face. So naturally she'd need to be there to see how it all went wrong. I can't recall if it actually came up in coversation. It may have been a codex line. I'm not finding it at the moment but I'll get back to you.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 21, 2016 13:58:14 GMT
I didn't expect you'd agree because I know how you feel about Wrex. The point is he's had your back the entire game and he's basically a "good" person who just, up to that point in time, just wanted to help you bring down Saren. Also, up to that point in time, he's been killing other krogan who work with Saran. He's thrown into an emotional conflict when confronted with the possibility that what Saren is doing will help his people survive. dmc1001 is the one who used the word "ever" in his statement... meaning "no exceptions." If you agree with dmc1001's statement "I don't think shooting good people for a misunderstanding should ever be an option. Especially people who had your back in the past." then it holds that shooting Wrex should not be an option... period. Whether or not Shepard or Garrus decides to shoot Ashley or Kaidan depends on his/her assessment of whether or not that person is going to shoot Shepard. The game dialogue allows the player to become convinced that the VS does intend to shoot rather than let the mission be completed... and, therefore, the option to shoot them should exist in the game... player's choice whether or not they use it and for what reasons they do. Wrex never had your back. If he did, he would not of drawn his weapon at Shepard. But that's how krogan handle things. They think using a shotgun will get them what they want. Wrex had no reason to point his weapon at Shepard. In fact he had no reason to even draw his weapon. But again, he's a krogan believing his shotgun will get him what he wants. He gives me another reason not to cure the genophage. And getting himself killed is not helping his species. Yeah. He's an idiot. Good thing there's the option not to recruit him. When you say "especially people who had your back in the past", who are you referring to? Sorry, I use Wrex a lot during the game... he's saved the asses of my various Shepards numerous times. He's a full member of the squad... if you don't use him, that's your player option. You have the option to shoot or not shoot him... and I'm saying the player should have the same option regarding Kaidan and Ashley... It's up to the individual player how they construct their own RPG story... including how they feel about the Krogan in general. You have a deep seated prejudice against the Krogan... that's up to you... but you're not playing my game. The option should be there in both cases.
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