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Post by straykat on Sept 13, 2016 13:53:03 GMT
Tela Vasir was the best antagonist in the game, because she was the only one to really challenge the player´s self-image of having the overall high ground in justifying the consequences of our choices. I do disagree with her actions, but she essentially owned Shepard in that last dialogue. So much so that I use it to dump Liara and go for Jack (or Garrus/Tali/Thane/etc). lol Vasir is like a good turning point, roleplaying wise.
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Post by The Hype Himself on Sept 13, 2016 13:57:02 GMT
I saw this thread on main BSN and I think it's a lot of fun to see all those opinions that may not be too popular. What are your opinions about Mass Effect in general, which are not likely shared by whole fanbase? For example, maybe you find ME3 ending to be a masterpiece ? ![;)](//storage.proboards.com/6576594/images/uYQYVMAupPAfTXFFwWlB.png) Maybe you think Krogans are bunch of pussies? ![:blink:](//storage.proboards.com/6576594/images/mYKVZsYKhOsPsltcpJZF.png) Maybe you think Asari should be redesigned in the same vein as Dragon Age's elves? ![:nupe:](//storage.proboards.com/6576594/images/EPlwuDsjU0uMQykfdUHf.gif) Share your thoughts here! I will start: - I think Mako was way better to steer than HammerHead ever was - I think first Mass Effect had the best biotics - I enjoy ME1 gunplay more than the one in ME2 - I think Meer was better voice for Shep than Hale - I really like Ashley - I think Kasumi is the best squad member in ME2 - I don't think Garrus was the best thing that ever happened to Mass Effect - I like Thessia mission - I don't mind Kai Leng - I think TIM indoctrination kind of makes sense if you read the comic - I think that Kaidan should remain straight - I think with all DLCs ME3 is the best game in the trilogy Ufff, it's like confessing sins. Your turn I've grown to accept and appreciate the endings, though there are too many narrative leaps in its execution to call it 'good' by any stretch in that area. I also dislike how the writer's dyspepsia colored their writing. Krogan in general aren't much more than thugs that are easy to manipulate. Sure, it's insanity, but curing the genophage is a means of establishing a debt for the Krogan, as well as expedient to gain the assistance of the Turians in the war effort. The Salarians come around, for the most part if you have the right options. I think we need to get away from the fascination that aliens, particularly the Asari represent: maybe I'm just pro-human that way. - I wouldn't call that an unpopular decision: I prefer the Hammerhead for speed, maneuverability, agility, and climbing ability. I'd say I have the unpopular opinion! - I disagree here as well, since the gameplay hadn't really been codified yet. It's somewhat more ambitious, but much clunkier. - If you're talking about the unlimited ammunition (and in some cases ability to make your gun not overheat) and ability for all classes to use every gun, then fine. For actual mechanics? You're nuts. - I do agree with you here. Maybe it's the red-blooded American privileged white male in me, maybe it's my experience in the military, but 1) I cannot see anyone but a man, specifically Sheploo, being Commander Shepard, and 2) I appreciate Meer's less emotive, sardonic, and deadpan (as another poster mentioned) delivery: it's much more realistic and has much more of the military bearing that I would expect Shepard to have as a veteran military officer. We keep our cool and keep calm. It may make us boring, but sure as hell makes us effective! - I really don't like Ashley; I'm a Miranda person, but she's indicative of a lot of negative perspectives and bias I don't like and have had to deal with. If I had to profile her. - I think a lot of people are going on with that; personally, I don't think Kasumi is really all that useful or interesting. As I said, I much prefer Miranda. - Same here, and dare I say, I think his fangirls are some of the most obnoxious and idiotic people. They've ruined the character for me, and are one reason I find the concept of Femshep to be so unbelievable, since they hijack the characters of two veteran military officers and turn it into a teenage wish-fulfillment awkward-cuteness thing. It's bullshit. No military member would act like the way these creeps are shilling them as. I'm also against the Garrus-bro sentiment. He's a competent warrior and valuable asset on the battlefield, and that's all he needs to be. It's the same for Liara. - See, I don't get it. Thessia is where things start to go downhill in my opinion. - Notionally, I don't mind him either. In practice, he comes off as impotent and ineffective; another case of transition from one end of the story to the other. He was good in the one novel he appeared in (nobody counts Deception.) In writing him for the game, they slipped up and gave him a modicum of cutscene competence not present in the game. - It does, but I don't think that's the core issue for him; I don't personally think he was 'indoctrinated' until some point in the late in ME3. This isn't really an unpopular opinion to be honest. - I'm with you there: I don't get this fascination with making every character player-sexual. Obviously, it's more of an issue in Dragon Age, but I also think too many people focus on the romance, and not enough on the sci-fi or plot or lore or whatever to drive the story forward. - I can't agree with you there either. ME3 is a very flawed game in many respects, and the DLC does little to assuage that. It's more than just the ending.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 13, 2016 14:12:25 GMT
I don't like Kaiden as a romantic option. I am also not in favor of curing genophage. I am hoping that Shepard dies in the end of ME3
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Post by The Hype Himself on Sept 13, 2016 14:13:42 GMT
A lot of my unpopular opinions also have to do with the denizens of the fanbase as much as the game.
For example, I'm utterly disgusted by the romance-fixation that so many fangirls put on the games. I dislike their approach to the romance as well and how they try to get it across. It goes the same with a lot of the guys as well.
It's not that I'm against romance, but I think too many people make it out to be a big deal. It can be, but it's better when it has not just an effect but a role in the story; think of Revan and Bastila and how their relationship has a role to play on the plot of Knights of the Old Republic. Otherwise, I prefer the much more mature, professional, and adult relationships that you can establish, with Miranda being my prime example. It leaves open an element of role-play and getting into the head of both Shepard and Miranda, but it establishes them as two professional adults who have an understated but powerful affection, and doesn't succumb to the more immature aspects of romance that permeates the Garrus, Tali, or Liara romance. Plus I prefer humans to aliens. Ashley is too repulsive to me individually to find many redeeming qualities.
I also dislike the Citadel DLC for not being serious enough. I didn't enjoy or appreciate the levity and drunk humor much of the time (though I did highly appreciate the content that Miranda received, I think some improvements could be had.) In particular, I'm highly critical of the Party, and would have preferred 1) more involvement of the ME2 team in the main plot of the DLC, and 2) more individual moments with each character.
I also have a very strong admiration and respect for Cerberus. I acknowledge moral/ethical failings on their part, as well as practical concerns on the outcome of some experiments, though I will also justify them by saying that 1) in preparation for a galactic scale war where extinction is on the table, any means, no matter how gruesome, immoral, or monstrous goes if it prevents extinction. If that means breeding an army of husks on Sanctuary to figure out how indoctrination works and succeeding in controlling said husks, then that's what we have to do. I am also for having a stronger humanity in the galaxy, with them being the... hegemonic power. To that end, while I normally choose the Destroy ending, I have a soft-spot for Renegade Control.
I play as a renegade by the conventional stance, though I dislike associating my Shepard under any of the games moral systems.
I play as a Soldier, and think that that class is the best and most effective.
I understand and appreciate the concept of synthesis as a singularity event on transhumanism, but do not like at all how it's presented in the story at the ending.
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Post by straykat on Sept 13, 2016 14:13:45 GMT
I am hoping that Shepard dies in the end of ME3 I knew you weren't enjoying it, but damn ![:D](//storage.proboards.com/6576594/images/RebJidSPcxyF0U0Rr0uW.png) I'll just say there are good and bad ways to die.
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Post by themikefest on Sept 13, 2016 14:14:00 GMT
Tela Vasir was the best antagonist in the game, because she was the only one to really challenge the player´s self-image of having the overall high ground in justifying the consequences of our choices. I do disagree with her actions, but she essentially owned Shepard in that last dialogue. I'm not a fan of the asari, but Tela I liked. Too bad Shepard couldn't kill Liara instead of Vasir. Then have her for a squadmate
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Post by straykat on Sept 13, 2016 14:16:47 GMT
Ashley is too repulsive to me individually to find many redeeming qualities. See, personally, I think Ash and Miranda are good foils to the other. And I think Bioware intended it that way in 2 and 3 (moreso than vs Liara). There's nothing explicit, but just kind of the vibe I get.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 13, 2016 14:20:00 GMT
I am hoping that Shepard dies in the end of ME3 I knew you weren't enjoying it, but damn I'll just say there are good and bad ways to die. No, I just like the stories that end, and I would like good, honorable death saving the world as an ending to a good solid game.
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Post by The Hype Himself on Sept 13, 2016 14:20:02 GMT
Tela Vasir was the best antagonist in the game, because she was the only one to really challenge the player´s self-image of having the overall high ground in justifying the consequences of our choices. I do disagree with her actions, but she essentially owned Shepard in that last dialogue. I disagree with you there. She could try too, but as far as I and my Shepard are concerned, her criticisms fell short. I and my Shepard are very much 'results-at-all-costs' type people, and we happen to agree with Cerberus' stated ideology. No consequences compare to the benefits of our actions and choices, and my Shepard would have rightly held that opinion. Her words were of course hypocritical, though I will also say they ring true over the Broker being a somewhat positive, if nebulous power in the galaxy. Besides, she can't make the claim that she and the Broker are misunderstood and then criticize Shepard and Cerberus for it.
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Post by straykat on Sept 13, 2016 14:26:06 GMT
Tela Vasir was the best antagonist in the game, because she was the only one to really challenge the player´s self-image of having the overall high ground in justifying the consequences of our choices. I do disagree with her actions, but she essentially owned Shepard in that last dialogue. I disagree with you there. She could try too, but as far as I and my Shepard are concerned, her criticisms fell short. I and my Shepard are very much 'results-at-all-costs' type people, and we happen to agree with Cerberus' stated ideology. No consequences compare to the benefits of our actions and choices, and my Shepard would have rightly held that opinion. Her words were of course hypocritical, though I will also say they ring true over the Broker being a somewhat positive, if nebulous power in the galaxy. Besides, she can't make the claim that she and the Broker are misunderstood and then criticize Shepard and Cerberus for it. Of course it's not gonna work for you.. or was meant to. You like Cerberus. It's more for people with conflicting thoughts and trying to straddle the fence. Or someone who was friendly to Aliens in ME1, maybe even romanced Liara, but then found out Liara was the one that gave your body to them.
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Post by themikefest on Sept 13, 2016 14:27:13 GMT
- I would prefer that destroy ending kills the asari and not destroy the geth - Udina is a better councilor than Anderson - there should of been a renegade interrupt when that stupid asari says the next time we go to war, maybe the Alliance can send air support - I wanted my Separd to laugh when she found out that tha asari goddess is really a prothean and then ask the Liara if she's related to Javik. hahahaha - Thessia is the worst mission in the whole trilogy - the broker dlc is the worst dlc in the trilogy - I would've preferred a crucible dlc instead of having a Citadel dlc - I would've like the option to work with Cerberus in ME3 - Liara is not squadmate material and should never of been a squadmate
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Post by themikefest on Sept 13, 2016 14:28:14 GMT
Ashley is too repulsive to me individually to find many redeeming qualities. See, personally, I think Ash and Miranda are good foils to the other. And I think Bioware intended it that way in 2 and 3 (moreso than vs Liara). There's nothing explicit, but just kind of the vibe I get. If I was able to have two squadmates to use for the whole trilogy it would be Ashley and MIranda
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Post by Ieldra on Sept 13, 2016 14:33:29 GMT
Perhaps people who argue for not curing it are just more emotionally involved in their decision and, as a result, a little more "defensive" about it. That people get too emotionally invested in the whole thing is my unpopular opinion. People generally get invested emotionally in their choices. Regarding the genophage, the story is set up so that you're emotionally drawn to curing the genophage if Wrex and Bakara are alive, and not curing it if Wreave is in command and Bakara dead. The distinction I make is this one: should compassion and the morality of the genophage be allowed to dominate the choice or not? Those 92% who cured the genophage in the data from Bioware's telemetry, clearly a large part of them thought it should dominate the choice (if they thought about it at all rather than making a spur-of-the-moment emotional decision, which I doubt) since 64% didn't have Wrex, which means that at least 58% of all players cured the genophage with Wreave in charge. Meanwhile, I think compassion and the morality of the problem should not be allowed to dominate the choice.
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Post by The Hype Himself on Sept 13, 2016 14:37:26 GMT
Ashley is too repulsive to me individually to find many redeeming qualities. See, personally, I think Ash and Miranda are good foils to the other. And I think Bioware intended it that way in 2 and 3 (moreso than vs Liara). There's nothing explicit, but just kind of the vibe I get. A lot has been stated in that regard by we Miranda fans, and it is indeed something that we saw. The reason they make such good foils is not just their differing personalities, but their loyalties and ideologies. It was frustrating when, if you romance Ashley in ME1, then move on to Miranda in ME2/3 when if you talk to her in the hospital and 'hint' at renewing relations with her, she calls you out on Miranda by stating 'I'm a real person' when comparing herself to Miranda. I found that to be in quite poor taste. I do like the idea of their foil and moving from one to the next; in many ways, my Shepard was drawn to Ashley in ME1 because she was superficially similar to him, but the opposite underneath, whereas for Miranda, they superficially might have had little in common, but much more complementary and similar at the levels of personality. It's how my Shepard moves on from Ashley to Miranda, and I kind of would have liked to have seen some kind of verbal confrontation between ideologies that may or may not have involved anger over who 'deserves' Shepard more.
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Post by Elfen Lied on Sept 13, 2016 14:37:35 GMT
Here's another "I don't give a **** about Garrus". I always recruite every available companion because I don't want to lose the content they provide (dialogues, personal quests and so on), but aside from his personal quest I've never taken him with me a single time during my multiple playtroughs across the whole trilogy.
My other unpopolar opinions, let's see...
- I think that Krogans are the most boring race in ME universe and I wouldn't have minded if they were left out of ME:A - They should have given us the option to persuade EDI to romance us instead of Joker. - I don't mind ME3 endings - I think that ME2 is the best game of the trilogy in every respect (combat, story, dialogues and companions)
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Post by Darth Dennis on Sept 13, 2016 14:40:29 GMT
- Curing the Genophage is absolute insanity. - Thane sucks. ME3 is better without him. In fact all drell suck. - I can't figure out why everyone loves Samara so much. I like her, but I don't get the adoration some ppl have. Maybe it's the boobs. ![:?](//storage.proboards.com/6576594/images/kuVkfH0oDPF0fVQukBvv.png) - Allers isn't that bad * runs and hides* I did like that...until I saw that last one.
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Post by The Hype Himself on Sept 13, 2016 14:48:01 GMT
Here's another "I don't give a **** about Garrus". I always recruite every avalaible companion because I don't want to lose the content they provide (dialogues, personal quests and so on), but aside from his personal quest I've never taken him with me a single time during my multiple playtroughs across the whole trilogy. My other unpopolar opinions, let's see... - I think that Krogans are the most boring race in ME universe and I wouldn't have minded if they were left out of ME:A - They should have given us the option to persuade EDI to romance us instead of Joker. - I don't mind ME3 endings - I think that ME2 is the best game of the trilogy in every respect (combat, story, dialogues and companions) Sans the EDI romance option (I think the whole AI/Organic relationship thing was toss), I agree.
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Post by Garo on Sept 13, 2016 14:55:39 GMT
i don't really care all that much for garrus. and everyone being like OMG NO ONE CAN EVER HATE GARRUS, makes my distaste for him grow,as petty as that is. though i do wonder why you think kaidan shouldn't have been bi. The Hype Himself pretty much answered for me this one: Meh, I don't really care that much, anyone can leave him on Virmire if that bothers him. I just think that he was established as he was in first ME and I was not expecting retcon. I know he was planned to be bi in first game, but then they changed their minds and then in third game they changed their minds again. I would prefer more distinct arc from Ash than what he got in ME3. I could argue here, Ash is really opinionated, I think that's what I like most about her. I like Miranda too. I think Shepard has really good influence on her. Funnily enough, Jack is way better at being good person in game than Miranda. That's why paragon Shep is good match for Miri. That's because I focused on feels rather than logic in this mission. Liara is crying, everyone is dying ( ![:hue:](//storage.proboards.com/6576594/images/ylSGZfoaGJIOHQXDloNH.png) ), for the first time we failed a mission and I think Liara gets a really nice character development moment after this whole thing, especially if you had Javik with you.
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Post by Darth Dennis on Sept 13, 2016 14:57:58 GMT
The Shadow Broker's design sucked. Miranda sucked. Grunt sucked. Jack was impossible to take seriously with that ridiculous design. Cerberus sucked. TIM was a horrible villain. ME3 sucked. ME2's story sucked.
The Vindicator > Revenant in ME2. Tech > Biotics. Noveria > Suicide mission.
Javik wasn't really that great.
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Post by themikefest on Sept 13, 2016 15:04:45 GMT
Yes. There is Shepard without Vakarian ![](http://www.sherv.net/cm/emoticons/horror/best-devil-smiley-emoticon.gif)
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Post by Deleted on Sept 13, 2016 15:06:38 GMT
Perhaps people who argue for not curing it are just more emotionally involved in their decision and, as a result, a little more "defensive" about it. That people get too emotionally invested in the whole thing is my unpopular opinion. People generally get invested emotionally in their choices. Regarding the genophage, the story is set up so that you're emotionally drawn to curing the genophage if Wrex and Bakara are alive, and not curing it if Wreave is in command and Bakara dead. The distinction I make is this one: should compassion and the morality of the genophage be allowed to dominate the choice or not? Those 92% who cured the genophage in the data from Bioware's telemetry, clearly a large part of them thought it should dominate the choice (if they thought about it at all rather than making a spur-of-the-moment emotional decision, which I doubt) since 64% didn't have Wrex, which means that at least 58% of all players cured the genophage with Wreave in charge. Meanwhile, I think compassion and the morality of the problem should not be allowed to dominate the choice. There is emotionally invested... and then there's calling other people "insane" for making the opposite choice in a game designed where both choices are options. It's a line that continually gets crossed here... and that is my "unpopular" opinion - which has nothing to do with the actual choice about curing or not curing the genophage itself. I have made that particular choice both ways... sometimes it suits my Shepard to cure it, sometimes not. I have no problems reasoning my way to either conclusion. Of all the moral dilemmas set up in the game, I find the genophage one to be structured the best... i.e. the one that allows for a reasoned choice in either direction depending on what criteria the person "selects" to believe and not believe about the Krogan, the Rachni, the Salarians and the Council. Curing the genophage can be a decision not based on "compassion" alone - even with Wreav in power... just as much as not curing it can be a "reasoned" choice even with Wrex in power. Also, basing the choice not to cure the genophage solely on the fear that the krogan will overrun the galaxy if cured is no less "emotion based" than curing it based on "compassion."
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Post by Deleted on Sept 13, 2016 15:07:55 GMT
I am actually surprised to find out that on the whole player base liked Thane. I expected him to be one of the "who's that again?" Or dismissed as a "whiner" well, I guess I do mainstream once in a while. Not a bad thing.
i am not a big fan of Krogans, hence the inclination to leave genophage in place, but I have no idea just how many of the goo folks actually like Krogans.
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Post by themikefest on Sept 13, 2016 15:15:37 GMT
I like having Ashley shoot Wrex there should've been a renegade interrupt to laugh at Tali as she is falling over the edge.
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Post by Garo on Sept 13, 2016 15:27:04 GMT
I also think BW should do wild experiment and not put any romances at least for one game and see how that turns out. Thane was fine, I like that he redeemed himself in ME3. Also, default look for male Shepard is the best, most customs look terrible. For Femshep only custom works, but you have to really try hard to not end up with something silly. For what I gathered from you, chaotic evil should be an option in Mass Effect
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Post by TopTrog on Sept 13, 2016 15:34:02 GMT
I disagree with you there. She could try too, but as far as I and my Shepard are concerned, her criticisms fell short. I and my Shepard are very much 'results-at-all-costs' type people, and we happen to agree with Cerberus' stated ideology. No consequences compare to the benefits of our actions and choices, and my Shepard would have rightly held that opinion. Her words were of course hypocritical, though I will also say they ring true over the Broker being a somewhat positive, if nebulous power in the galaxy. Besides, she can't make the claim that she and the Broker are misunderstood and then criticize Shepard and Cerberus for it. Fair enough, I think I get your point ![:)](//storage.proboards.com/6576594/images/KGsHESiZGZU0pPuHuhQr.png) . That is one of the things that made the series such a great experience for me - lots of scenarios/decisions and characters that can have very different impressions for us depending on how we see the world. Surely she is hypocritical - but essentially we all are, especially when it comes to strongly held beliefs (which is a strongly held belief of mine, so go figure ![;)](//storage.proboards.com/6576594/images/uYQYVMAupPAfTXFFwWlB.png) ). That last dialogue sort of reflected that for me, which is kind of rare for antagonists in popular media to do.
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