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Post by themikefest on Sept 13, 2016 15:43:17 GMT
For what I gathered from you, chaotic evil should be an option in Mass Effect Wrex is an idiot. If Shepard chooses Garrus and doesn't recruit Wrex right away, he is seen at the elevator before Shepard heads to the Normandy. He ends up pushing/hitting, whatever you want to call it for no reason. I would've like to shoot the character, but nooo, that can't happen. Then a moment later he wants to help chase Saren by joining Shepard. Yeah right. Then on Virmire he pulls out his weapon aiming it at Shepard. If the piece of crap had any common sense, he would realize he would be gunned down immediately by the other squadmates as well as the salarians. Plus if you're going to aim that weapon at me you better use it. I know I would, but since I saw Ashley behind him, I let her have the honors. He's just some pathetic krogan. Why I would laugh at Tali is simple. If Shepard chooses the geth she does a whole lot of nothing to prevent the geth from uploading the code. She doesn't care about her people yet on the dreadnought, in the control room, she will say we need to hurry, my people are getting torn apart. I'm sure if another quarian was present they would shoot her for being a dumda** and then shoot the geth or push the thing over edge. The same applies to Raan except she adds another hole in her head Chaotic evil is an option in ME if the player chooses to go that route
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Post by Deleted on Sept 13, 2016 15:51:19 GMT
I also think BW should do wild experiment and not put any romances at least for one game and see how that turns out. BioWare started with the game without the romances, the Baldur's Gate 1. After they tried the feature in Baldur's Gate 2, there was consistent demand for more and better. Romances are the most talked about features. The games that were contemporary to Bio's and produced by now defunct Black Isle/obsidian that skipped npc development and romances, while often more while in essence being the same games, even when more visually appealing or having better mechanics (icewind Dale series, NWN2, kotor2) did consistently worse, even a cult game like Torment. So, I think you have your answer as to why BioWare always provides digital simulation of the romantic part of the adventure, just like pretty much every adventure movie out there has a romantic subplot. It's what most humans do like as a part of the genre, that someone actually cares about their uber-hero and flashes breasts or abs at him or her, and tells them how so very pretty he or she is. It's normal to want it. We are both vane and social, and driven to reproduce.
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Post by The Hype Himself on Sept 13, 2016 16:48:46 GMT
I also think BW should do wild experiment and not put any romances at least for one game and see how that turns out. BioWare started with the game without the romances, the Baldur's Gate 1. After they tried the feature in Baldur's Gate 2, there was consistent demand for more and better. Romances are the most talked about features. The games that were contemporary to Bio's and produced by now defunct Black Isle/obsidian that skipped npc development and romances, while often more while in essence being the same games, even when more visually appealing or having better mechanics (icewind Dale series, NWN2, kotor2) did consistently worse, even a cult game like Torment. So, I think you have your answer as to why BioWare always provides digital simulation of the romantic part of the adventure, just like pretty much every adventure movie out there has a romantic subplot. It's what most humans do like as a part of the genre, that someone actually cares about their uber-hero and flashes breasts or abs at him or her, and tells them how so very pretty he or she is. It's normal to want it. We are both vane and social, and driven to reproduce. Profit is really the driving factor there. That's why BW puts the emphasis on romance. Demand = profit (if you deliver). But personally, I think it's the fans who are the problem there. Vanity and gregarious natures aside, people get too entwined in fantasy wish fulfillment. It's simply escapism. I personally think people should stop complaining about making every bit of fiction a pseudo-romance simulator and actually fix their own problems.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 13, 2016 16:59:40 GMT
BioWare started with the game without the romances, the Baldur's Gate 1. After they tried the feature in Baldur's Gate 2, there was consistent demand for more and better. Romances are the most talked about features. The games that were contemporary to Bio's and produced by now defunct Black Isle/obsidian that skipped npc development and romances, while often more while in essence being the same games, even when more visually appealing or having better mechanics (icewind Dale series, NWN2, kotor2) did consistently worse, even a cult game like Torment. So, I think you have your answer as to why BioWare always provides digital simulation of the romantic part of the adventure, just like pretty much every adventure movie out there has a romantic subplot. It's what most humans do like as a part of the genre, that someone actually cares about their uber-hero and flashes breasts or abs at him or her, and tells them how so very pretty he or she is. It's normal to want it. We are both vane and social, and driven to reproduce. Profit is really the driving factor there. That's why BW puts the emphasis on romance. Demand = profit (if you deliver). But personally, I think it's the fans who are the problem there. Vanity and gregarious natures aside, people get too entwined in fantasy wish fulfillment. It's simply escapism. I personally think people should stop complaining about making every bit of fiction a pseudo-romance simulator and actually fix their own problems. I have no problems with other people's wet dreams. Ship yourself, or don't, let others ship. I don't see how leaping up in the air while spraying everything that comes up as a valid target with a shower of cool bullets/energy beams/deadly butterflies is any less of a viable way to stimulate my alter egotism, than picking and choosing which toned boy or girl is going or not going to end up In my virtual bunk, and just how sappy or not it gotta be.
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Post by The Hype Himself on Sept 13, 2016 17:17:15 GMT
Profit is really the driving factor there. That's why BW puts the emphasis on romance. Demand = profit (if you deliver). But personally, I think it's the fans who are the problem there. Vanity and gregarious natures aside, people get too entwined in fantasy wish fulfillment. It's simply escapism. I personally think people should stop complaining about making every bit of fiction a pseudo-romance simulator and actually fix their own problems. I have no problems with other people's wet dreams. Ship yourself, or don't, let others ship. I don't see how leaping up in the air while spraying everything that comes up as a valid target with a shower of cool bullets/energy beams/deadly butterflies is any less of a viable way to stimulate my alter egotism, than picking and choosing which toned boy or girl is going or not going to end up In my virtual bunk, and just how sappy or not it gotta be. I'll speak plain: I do have a problem with other people's wet dreams when they let it color the rest of the series and game and want to turn it from some semblance of an eldritch cosmic horror story into a future fuck fantasy. Railing against a position for violence that I don't hold myself doesn't change that (and is a strawman non-sequiter, as well as the predictable response many make to an anti-romance type such as myself.) I don't want it to be any more of mindless shooter than I do a dating simulator. I want to see a finely crafted story that examines interesting themes in an amusing narrative; romance and gunplay can be a part of the game, but I argue first that they be done well and actually complement the game rather than a focus for it, or, if not that, be omitted altogether. If it's going to have military themes, I'd expect it to have a militaristic approach and mindset.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 13, 2016 17:38:18 GMT
I have no problems with other people's wet dreams. Ship yourself, or don't, let others ship. I don't see how leaping up in the air while spraying everything that comes up as a valid target with a shower of cool bullets/energy beams/deadly butterflies is any less of a viable way to stimulate my alter egotism, than picking and choosing which toned boy or girl is going or not going to end up In my virtual bunk, and just how sappy or not it gotta be. I'll speak plain: I do have a problem with other people's wet dreams when they let it color the rest of the series and game and want to turn it from some semblance of an eldritch cosmic horror story into a future fuck fantasy. Railing against a position for violence that I don't hold myself doesn't change that (and is a strawman non-sequiter, as well as the predictable response many make to an anti-romance type such as myself.) I don't want it to be any more of mindless shooter than I do a dating simulator. I want to see a finely crafted story that examines interesting themes in an amusing narrative; romance and gunplay can be a part of the game, but I argue first that they be done well and actually complement the game rather than a focus for it, or, if not that, be omitted altogether. If it's going to have military themes, I'd expect it to have a militaristic approach and mindset. Good, then we are in agreement, and I am happy how Mass Effect is doing it, so I am happy playing it. I hope you too, and if not, well, there are plenty other ways to be royally entertained in the world of digital. Most games do not include joinable comps and relationships in any part of the feelings spectrum.
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Post by Crim on Sept 13, 2016 17:56:05 GMT
- Curing the Genophage is absolute insanity. - Thane sucks. ME3 is better without him. In fact all drell suck.- I can't figure out why everyone loves Samara so much. I like her, but I don't get the adoration some ppl have. Maybe it's the boobs. - Allers isn't that bad * runs and hides* How very dare you.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 13, 2016 18:01:07 GMT
- Curing the Genophage is absolute insanity. - Thane sucks. ME3 is better without him. In fact all drell suck.- I can't figure out why everyone loves Samara so much. I like her, but I don't get the adoration some ppl have. Maybe it's the boobs. - Allers isn't that bad * runs and hides* How very dare you.
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Post by Crim on Sept 13, 2016 18:02:58 GMT
Calling me Sansa, how very dare you again!
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Post by Deleted on Sept 13, 2016 18:10:38 GMT
Calling me Sansa, how very dare you again! I...er....have never seen GoT. Just googled gifs.
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Post by Ieldra on Sept 13, 2016 18:17:35 GMT
Also, basing the choice not to cure the genophage solely on the fear that the krogan will overrun the galaxy if cured is no less "emotion based" than curing it based on "compassion." I disagree. There is precedent for the krogan attempting to overrun the galaxy, while there is no precedent for them controlling their population on their own, which means that expecting this is more rational than expecting the krogan to suddenly change because the genophage is cured - but that's a discussion for another thread.
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Post by HYR on Sept 13, 2016 18:20:59 GMT
Hoo boy. Let's see... -- ME3 was the best game of the series. ME2 would be the best if the Reapers were not part of the story (but they are, so it's not). -- Sentinel master-race tbh. -- Suicide Mission is the most overrated mission in the game. Turn off the music while playing it and the gravity falls off a cliff. -- I think playing ME3 on the easiest difficulty is the way to go because it pretty much makes Shepard boss-caliber strong, as it should be. -- Kaidan was my buddy long before Garrus. I do not even consider Garrus much of a friend until ME3, tbh. -- Tali is boring and should not have been required on Rannoch or Geth Dreadnought. -- Liara's face isn't much better than Allers's. -- People who think the Turian Councilor is mean are thin-skinned. -- Kai Leng is a joke, but I enjoy having him around for my Shepard to kick his ass around. -- Shooting Falere is justifiable. -- In general, ME3 renegade was pretty rational, whereas ME1 & 2 renegade was just silly slapstick humor. -- Anderson is a Mary Sue. -- Freeing the real Rachni Queen in ME3 should have backfired. How the hell was she not indoctrinated? -- Samara is as about as bad as most villains we encounter. -- Shepard should have been able to try to rehabilitate Morinth after recruiting her. -- Shepard should have tried to convince Grunt that Okeer's teaching are garbage rather than stand around and say "yeah, okay" like a dullard. -- I felt like the general tone in ME3 was just right, as were the shifted themes. -- TIM's eyes are not a sign of indoctrination. He was not indoctrinated by the Arca Monolith artifact, not indoctrinated until after Sanctuary when he gets the implant. I can prove this beyond reasonable doubt, too, so this is not really even an opinion. -- I'm not opposed to BW designers trying to make squadmates sexually appealing. It's only a problem in my eyes if it entails dressing them impractically. -- I'm okay with that ending. Don't love it, but am okay with it. Oh, and my preferred option is green. -- Indoctrination Theory is not brilliant. It's actually more flawed than what we got. There are probably others that I have failed to think of, but I think I got most of them.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 13, 2016 18:25:34 GMT
Also, basing the choice not to cure the genophage solely on the fear that the krogan will overrun the galaxy if cured is no less "emotion based" than curing it based on "compassion." I disagree. There is precedent for the krogan attempting to overrun the galaxy, while there is no precedent for them controlling their population on their own, which means that expecting this is more rational than expecting the krogan to suddenly change because the genophage is cured - but that's a discussion for another thread. I'm saying that both decisions can be made in a rational fashion and both decisions can be made in an irrational fashion... based soley on "fear" is no less emotionally based than basing the opposite decision solely on "compassion." The opposite decision to yours can be made based on other factors than "compassion" and I have listed some of these factors on the other thread. That you lean towards one decision over another is not an issue with me. That people resort to calling other people "insane" (or irrational or "less rational" etc.) for making the opposite decision to them is "disrespectful" and "unnecessarily" promotes discordance on this website (in my opinion). To call someone "insane" or "irrational" or "less rational" is no longer making statements about the quality of the arguments in the debate... but flipping things to make statements about the state of mind of person making those arguments. That is just not an acceptable debating practice (again, in my opinion). Since this is an "unpopular opinions" thread... I don't expect that my opinion on this matter is popular... I know it is not... and I have no intention of "defending" my opinion further.
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Post by Crim on Sept 13, 2016 18:26:42 GMT
Calling me Sansa, how very dare you again! I...er....have never seen GoT. Just googled gifs. Good god! Alright, we're not enemies anymore.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 13, 2016 18:33:02 GMT
I...er....have never seen GoT. Just googled gifs. Good god! Alright, we're not enemies anymore. Hehe. I take it being Sanza is a bad thing?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 13, 2016 18:42:11 GMT
Good god! Alright, we're not enemies anymore. Hehe. I take it being Sanza is a bad thing? Not necessarily. Aria, the second girl, is ye fiery shield-maiden sis, that omg, defies the gender roles (oh, wow!)Sansa is a pretty lady that only wants things to be sweet and pretty and marry a pretty prince, as the society dictates. But she changes as the books go on into something more sinister. Of the two, she has more potential to change her nature, while Aria is inflexible.
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Post by Crim on Sept 13, 2016 18:42:34 GMT
Good god! Alright, we're not enemies anymore. Hehe. I take it being Sanza is a bad thing? Eh, she's not the worst of em but she's not all that great either, least favourite Stark tbh.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 13, 2016 19:05:16 GMT
My unpopular opinion: 1) For the life of me I cannot understand the crap ME3 got when it came out. Yeah, I've read it all how it was about deceiving the fans and yadda yadda yadda. It's just a freaking game, people! Then again fan is short from word fanatic and I guess one can expect anything from them. 2) I really liked that there was no final boss fight in ME3, I think it was refreshing.
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Post by straykat on Sept 13, 2016 20:16:30 GMT
My unpopular opinion: 1) For the life of me I cannot understand the crap ME3 got when it came out. Yeah, I've read it all how it was about deceiving the fans and yadda yadda yadda. It's just a freaking game, people! Then again fan is short from word fanatic and I guess one can expect anything from them. 2) I really liked that there was no final boss fight in ME3, I think it was refreshing. Yeah, I'm not an ME3 hater either. I think it has it's faults, but if anything, the whole Ending debacle distracted Bioware from any other complaints. So they must've walked away thinking everything was fine except the End.
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Post by straykat on Sept 13, 2016 20:36:10 GMT
Hehe. I take it being Sanza is a bad thing? Not necessarily. Aria, the second girl, is ye fiery shield-maiden sis, that omg, defies the gender roles (oh, wow!)Sansa is a pretty lady that only wants things to be sweet and pretty and marry a pretty prince, as the society dictates. But she changes as the books go on into something more sinister. Of the two, she has more potential to change her nature, while Aria is inflexible. Arya best character. She chose wisely.
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Post by The Hype Himself on Sept 13, 2016 22:23:16 GMT
Good god! Alright, we're not enemies anymore. Hehe. I take it being Sanza is a bad thing? Please educate yourself. The entire series, right here, for your viewing needs.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 13, 2016 22:42:35 GMT
Hehe. I take it being Sanza is a bad thing? Please educate yourself. The entire series, right here, for your viewing needs. No. I don't want to watch it.
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Post by The Hype Himself on Sept 13, 2016 22:59:18 GMT
Please educate yourself. The entire series, right here, for your viewing needs. No. I don't want to watch it. Wasn't expecting that answer. Reasons?
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Post by Crim on Sept 13, 2016 23:12:12 GMT
Please educate yourself. The entire series, right here, for your viewing needs. No. I don't want to watch it. You're right, read the books instead. They are far more superior.
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Post by opuspace on Sept 13, 2016 23:12:30 GMT
I remember liking Garrus the first few years I play the game but yes, the "OMG WHAT IS WRONG WITH YOU THAT YOU'RE NOT CRAZY ABOUT HIM" brigade This is what I love about the game. When I'm bored, its fun to discuss random characters. their motivations, personality, analyse their writing and dialogues, narrative and identify their complexities. But when I try to expand his narrative further and discover dialogues and content that didn't make sense and contradictory and sometimes offensive that I don't personally agree with including his personal views on certain races or his style of 'justice' ( very real life equivalent btw) and how dangerous romanticizing aspects of this even in fiction... ....somehow its always a personal attack... on their taste in men...... "I know there's a lot of Garrusmancers who simply headcanon it out from their games and simply laugh it off as him being "Just Garrus" and worship him as Mr Awkwardly Wonderful" Why some might get the impression that you're judging someone else's personal taste.
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