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Post by straykat on Sept 14, 2016 7:59:28 GMT
I've nice to see a Synthesis fan confront him on it. I remember asking him long ago. What has my opinion about Synthesis to do with the Illusive Man? You're both Synthesis fans.. I think it'll be easier for you two to converse. If I tell him he's in Denial, it just seems loaded with more of my bias
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Post by Ieldra on Sept 14, 2016 9:08:15 GMT
I think this opinion may not be as unpopular as you think. Many people think the Reapers and their "unstoppable except by space magic" nature was a major problem for the story, and they have a point. Personally, I don't think I'd have liked the "standard war story" setup you favor, because of the lack of a mysterious and unexplained element we need to decipher. I highly prefer SF where there are new mysteries of the universe to decipher, but I agree the Reapers were not a very good example because their nature created too many storytelling constraints. Mystery isn't a really a sci-fi thing either. Except in a forward moving sense. They write Mass Effect by looking backwards.. much like fantasy. I think their whole mentality in constructing it comes from fantasy. Ancient artifacts and whatnot. Sci-fi is usually about unlocking potential - and the dangers of it at times. Like the pros/cons of cyberpunk themes or even horror like Frankenstein's research, or the varied ways humans evolved in Dune. I don't necessarily want galactic war, but the one thing it has over this it wouldn't have to look towards the past. Sadly, they're doing the same damn thing with Andromeda. "Remnants". More past shit. This time gallivanting around like DAI archaeologists. I meant mysteries in the sense of "we discover something new about the universe", not as in "we open a can and what comes out bites us in the ass". Many important advancements started with such mysteries, with, say, data that didn't want to fit however you adjusted the old theories. I agree that Bioware has, so far, written its SF much as if it were fantasy, up to and including the original endings with its dark age of the galaxy and that damnable Garden Eden symbolism I found so enraging at the time. It's my main source of dissatisfaction with the ME trilogy. The EC attempted to mitigate that impression, though, and that's why I didn't have to disown the story completely. Having said that, dealing with the past needn't be all bad. In fact, were we to explore the stars, I think it rather likely that we would encounter the remnants of past civilizations before we ever met a live one. Also, we could learn from what we find there, since other civilization's past can still be more advanced than our civilization's future. Here on Earth, archaeology almost never finds anything we have yet to discover, but that could be different for the remnants of alien civilizations. So, if those discoveries about the past inspires that unlocking of potential you mentioned, then I'm perfectly fine with it. I wonder if they'll write things like this in MEA, or if they continue to pander to the technophobic spirit of the time.
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Post by aoibhealfae on Sept 14, 2016 9:55:10 GMT
I've had a fascination with vigilantes since I was young (especially pedos), but I hear ya. I kind of play both sides of myself when it comes to Garrus. In ME2, I think he's gone too far. And my Shep grew up just as badly as many malcontents. There isn't much I can say to him other than "Doesn't sound like you made any friends with the gangs", which can be interpreted in many ways. He also kind of sees the necessity of Purgatory and it's hard to ignore some parallel with Kuril. Like Garrus could become that, if things got any worse. But I like him. It's his overall casual attitude, I guess. Perhaps I still like vigilantes, but maybe one like that chick Jessica Jones (if you've seen it). She helps out junkies at least. I'm not all against all forms of fictional portrayal vigilantism. I do enjoy Netflix's Jessica Jones, watch The Arrow for a few season, grew up with Batman animated series. I drew parallel with the recent vigilante kills because public opinion are very favorable to it. Majority lost their faith in the system. And yet, none of the victims are proven guilty in the court and are mostly poor but hardly anyone care, they're dead and thus guilty by association. The "ends justify the means" guy who supported this killings are liked by majority and it does work somewhat, crime has decreased. As long as you're charismatic and likable to the audience, it doesn't matter what destructive thing you can do. Unfortunately, this isn't fictitious. The reason I pointed it out is because there are also Garrusmancers who criticize him for his black and white viewpoint and will have Shepards that argue the entire way with him about enforcing a "damn the consequences so long as it gets results mentality". I haven't seen a Garrusmancer say that it's ok to oppress others, nor that every word from Garrus' mouth is gold. Neither have I seen a Garrusmancer say you can't dislike him. We debate because your reasons for hating him was for reasons not considered canon. So if I speak up, it's because I disagree with why you believe people are debating with you on Garrus. Not all of us, if there's any, are blind to his flaws. I'm not saying it because of this forum. I've made similar arguments in BSN, Reddit and even Twitter for this year alone. I've gotten replies ranged from "It's just Garrus being who he is, it wasn't his fault." to "You're just a salty self-hating Garrusmancer, don't be such a snob" to "Garrus put aside his prejudices by spending time with members of those races. He's not racist like Ashley." to "It doesn't matter if he kill babies, Garrus is always my bro." How is his arguments with Wrex and Tali is non-canon? The things the merc leaders said about Garrus attacking them and killing their people and their family for no reason is non-canon? How is it there's no one in Omega praise Archangel for saving their life? Oh, its absolutely non-canon that he would sabotage the cure to Shepard who just did it and immediately joke about Wrex getting poisoned. The stories and dialogues written by all of his writers and voiced by Keener in the trilogy? What is canon with Garrus? No Shepard without Vakarian? Will Mass Effect trilogy implode and Shepard fail everything if he's unrecruited in ME1, died in ME2 and absent in ME3?
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Post by aoibhealfae on Sept 14, 2016 10:18:22 GMT
Mystery isn't a really a sci-fi thing either. Except in a forward moving sense. They write Mass Effect by looking backwards.. much like fantasy. I think their whole mentality in constructing it comes from fantasy. Ancient artifacts and whatnot. Sci-fi is usually about unlocking potential - and the dangers of it at times. Like the pros/cons of cyberpunk themes or even horror like Frankenstein's research, or the varied ways humans evolved in Dune. I don't necessarily want galactic war, but the one thing it has over this it wouldn't have to look towards the past. Sadly, they're doing the same damn thing with Andromeda. "Remnants". More past shit. This time gallivanting around like DAI archaeologists. I meant mysteries in the sense of "we discover something new about the universe", not as in "we open a can and what comes out bites us in the ass". Many important advancements started with such mysteries, with, say, data that didn't want to fit however you adjusted the old theories. I agree that Bioware has, so far, written its SF much as if it were fantasy, up to and including the original endings with its dark age of the galaxy and that damnable Garden Eden symbolism I found so enraging at the time. It's my main source of dissatisfaction with the ME trilogy. The EC attempted to mitigate that impression, though, and that's why I didn't have to disown the story completely. Having said that, dealing with the past needn't be all bad. In fact, were we to explore the stars, I think it rather likely that we would encounter the remnants of past civilizations before we ever met a live one. Also, we could learn from what we find there, since other civilization's past can still be more advanced than our civilization's future. Here on Earth, archaeology almost never finds anything we have yet to discover, but that could be different for the remnants of alien civilizations. So, if those discoveries about the past inspires that unlocking of potential you mentioned, then I'm perfectly fine with it. I wonder if they'll write things like this in MEA, or if they continue to pander to the technophobic spirit of the time. Its part of worldbuilding and fairly a template for bioware games to have some advanced alien civilization in the past which was destroyed suddenly. TOR universe is basically this with Rakata. Elvhenan in DA verse. I think a lot of BW writers have background in playing and writing tabletop RPGs and practically based their stories with fantasy framework. In fact, its one of the requirement to write for them too. Considering they're still doing it with Knights of the Fallen Empire, I'm not surprised we'll be space archeologist in MEA.
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Post by RedCaesar97 on Sept 14, 2016 11:28:50 GMT
I remember this thread. Okay, here's a few of mine: --Pistols are the best weapon in ME1. Is that an unpopular opinion?
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Post by Ieldra on Sept 14, 2016 12:03:10 GMT
I meant mysteries in the sense of "we discover something new about the universe", not as in "we open a can and what comes out bites us in the ass". Many important advancements started with such mysteries, with, say, data that didn't want to fit however you adjusted the old theories. I agree that Bioware has, so far, written its SF much as if it were fantasy, up to and including the original endings with its dark age of the galaxy and that damnable Garden Eden symbolism I found so enraging at the time. It's my main source of dissatisfaction with the ME trilogy. The EC attempted to mitigate that impression, though, and that's why I didn't have to disown the story completely. Having said that, dealing with the past needn't be all bad. In fact, were we to explore the stars, I think it rather likely that we would encounter the remnants of past civilizations before we ever met a live one. Also, we could learn from what we find there, since other civilization's past can still be more advanced than our civilization's future. Here on Earth, archaeology almost never finds anything we have yet to discover, but that could be different for the remnants of alien civilizations. So, if those discoveries about the past inspires that unlocking of potential you mentioned, then I'm perfectly fine with it. I wonder if they'll write things like this in MEA, or if they continue to pander to the technophobic spirit of the time. Its part of worldbuilding and fairly a template for bioware games to have some advanced alien civilization in the past which was destroyed suddenly. TOR universe is basically this with Rakata. Elvhenan in DA verse. I think a lot of BW writers have background in playing and writing tabletop RPGs and practically based their stories with fantasy framework. In fact, its one of the requirement to write for them too. Considering they're still doing it with Knights of the Fallen Empire, I'm not surprised we'll be space archeologist in MEA. I'm not criticizing this as such, except that a formula needs to be put aside once it has become stale. Rather, my primary point is this: In Bioware's SF, society is stagnant. There's really nothing that challenges the current state of the human condition, it's always assumed that things are more or less the same as they are today. Their stories feature some social issues, but apart from that they're deeply conservative, even reactionary at times. Those who would challenge the state of the human condition are usually portrayed as evil, or at the very least, misguided. That may be appropriate in fantasy, but it betrays the spirit of SF as I see it. Yes, ME3's EC endings are most notably not like that (and that's why I like them in spite of everything), but it took an outcry from tens of thousands of players to portray a future not dominated by the dark age and the Garden Eden "let's return to a more innocent pre-technological time and start anew" symbolism, and many people have recognized the fact that the EC endings don't really fit the story that came before. Thus, I maintain my criticism. With ME1, the ME trilogy started ambivalently with regard to this and featured a spirit of exploration and advancement I found very appealing, but even there the roots of what was to come were laid, in things like Vigil's statement that we didn't need to understand the Reapers, just to stop them. ME2 went full retard with its aesthetics but retained some ambivalence in its treatment of some common SF themes, and I highly appreciated the portrayal of Legion and the geth as being different but equally valid, but the stupid handling of the Collector Base decision, the dreadful "I just want to be normal" message in Miranda's plot and Shepard's abysmally stupid dialogue with Harbinger in Arrival foreshadowed how everything would come to be measured by the current human norm in ME3. Real change? Real divergencve? Oh no, that would be against nature (see Padok Wiks in the genophage plot, another mind-numbing stupidity I can't rant about enough). I might have appreciated the story for what it was had there been some in-depth handling of its themes, but instead everything was simplified to the point of stupidity. ME3's main message appeared to be "Yes, I'm stupid, but it doesn't matter because I'm human like you all are, and that's the greatest thing in the universe." *scoffs* OK, this has veered off course a little. Sorry about the rant, but here's the essence of it, another unpopular opinion: "The ME trilogy is reactionary and militaristic". Edit: As a little hint of what might have been, read this. Well, the "higher-paid" decided they wanted the MET to be more like fantasy, and so we ended up with a story that works on some levels and doesn't work on others, but which is definitely not good SF according to my standards.
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Post by Natashina on Sept 14, 2016 12:12:31 GMT
I remember this thread. Okay, here's a few of mine: --Pistols are the best weapon in ME1. Is that an unpopular opinion? <shrug> I've been told more than once that those are fightin' words.
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Post by opuspace on Sept 14, 2016 12:18:58 GMT
I'm not saying it because of this forum. I've made similar arguments in BSN, Reddit and even Twitter for this year alone. I've gotten replies ranged from "It's just Garrus being who he is, it wasn't his fault." to "You're just a salty self-hating Garrusmancer, don't be such a snob" to "Garrus put aside his prejudices by spending time with members of those races. He's not racist like Ashley." to "It doesn't matter if he kill babies, Garrus is always my bro." How is his arguments with Wrex and Tali is non-canon? The things the merc leaders said about Garrus attacking them and killing their people and their family for no reason is non-canon? How is it there's no one in Omega praise Archangel for saving their life? Oh, its absolutely non-canon that he would sabotage the cure to Shepard who just did it and immediately joke about Wrex getting poisoned. The stories and dialogues written by all of his writers and voiced by Keener in the trilogy? What is canon with Garrus? No Shepard without Vakarian? Will Mass Effect trilogy implode and Shepard fail everything if he's unrecruited in ME1, died in ME2 and absent in ME3? I can't speak for those Garrus fans on those other forums. I can say I'd disagree with handwaving off his flaws and mistakes just as I disagree with your statement about a fanbase that has various individuals with different motivations and reasons to like him. If you wish, you can discuss him on his thread just as Kaidan fans were able to discuss with others about their frustrations with Kaidan. As for the rest, I've made no such claims about his comments towards Wrex and Tali being non-canon. We have discussed a great deal of this before (except for Omega) and I've pointed out in game evidence that he grows and has awareness of the consequences of his actions. We can discuss it further in a more related thread if you'd like. While I do support people having a choice in keeping him off their team in ME1 and ME3, I don't agree with judging an entire fanbase by saying you know how they are about their character's flaws. If I said something like, "I know there's a lot of Kaidanmancers who simply headcanon it out from their games and simply laugh it off as him being "Just Kaidan" and worship him as Mr Awkwardly Wonderful" wouldn't you be annoyed?
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Post by themikefest on Sept 14, 2016 13:11:01 GMT
<shrug> I've been told more than once that those are fightin' words. I don't know why since I've only used a pistol for a lot of my playthroughs.in ME1. Even used one for some of my playthroughs in ME2/3
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Post by themikefest on Sept 14, 2016 13:21:08 GMT
Oleg Petrovsky would make for a better leader than Hackett I agree with Shepard saying Have the asari ever won a war? Zaeed has the best epilogue scene. I don't believe that's an unpopular opinion Both squadmates should've died on the beam run no matter what the ems
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Post by straykat on Sept 14, 2016 14:03:48 GMT
<shrug> I've been told more than once that those are fightin' words. I don't know why since I've only used a pistol for a lot of my playthroughs.in ME1. Even used one for some of my playthroughs in ME2/3 I think pistols are still good in 2, since there's so much armor. 3, it doesn't matter to me, I guess. Anything works lol... As much as I like the feel of the combat, there aren't many downsides to whatever I play (classes included).
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Post by aoibhealfae on Sept 14, 2016 14:34:54 GMT
I can't speak for those Garrus fans on those other forums. I can say I'd disagree with handwaving off his flaws and mistakes just as I disagree with your statement about a fanbase that has various individuals with different motivations and reasons to like him. If you wish, you can discuss him on his thread just as Kaidan fans were able to discuss with others about their frustrations with Kaidan. As for the rest, I've made no such claims about his comments towards Wrex and Tali being non-canon. We have discussed a great deal of this before (except for Omega) and I've pointed out in game evidence that he grows and has awareness of the consequences of his actions. We can discuss it further in a more related thread if you'd like. While I do support people having a choice in keeping him off their team in ME1 and ME3, I don't agree with judging an entire fanbase by saying you know how they are about their character's flaws. If I said something like, "I know there's a lot of Kaidanmancers who simply headcanon it out from their games and simply laugh it off as him being "Just Kaidan" and worship him as Mr Awkwardly Wonderful" wouldn't you be annoyed? I do appreciate that you take it upon yourself to defend your fandom. However, I am not a Garrus fan nor I wish to hijack your beloved appreciation threads with salty overcritical things. But I just wrote a length about a character's penchant for casual murder, entitlement over lesser species, racism, genocide... and even you simply accept all these as just "flaws and mistakes" because its a character you're a fan of. This is exactly why this is in an unpopular opinion thread. "Kaiden is boring. Kaiden is unloyal. Kaiden is uninteresting. Kaiden is annoying. Kaiden is whiny. Kaiden accused me of cheating on him but we broke up on Horizon. Kaiden deserve to die. Kaidan is a bitch." Trust me, I've been here long enough to see this is a very very popular opinion. Kaidan is just as universally hated as Jacob.
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Post by Darth Dennis on Sept 14, 2016 14:38:33 GMT
Predator > Carnifex in ME2...
Although pistols are the most powerful in ME1, I never use them because Marksman = Easy mode. Also, assault rifles, shotguns and higher tier sniper rifles are much more fun to use.
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Post by opuspace on Sept 14, 2016 14:53:39 GMT
I do appreciate that you take it upon yourself to defend your fandom. However, I am not a Garrus fan nor I wish to hijack your beloved appreciation threads with salty overcritical things. But I just wrote a length about a character's penchant for casual murder, entitlement over lesser species, racism, genocide... and even you simply accept all these as just "flaws and mistakes" because its a character you're a fan of. This is exactly why this is in an unpopular opinion thread. "Kaiden is boring. Kaiden is unloyal. Kaiden is uninteresting. Kaiden is annoying. Kaiden is whiny. Kaiden accused me of cheating on him but we broke up on Horizon. Kaiden deserve to die. Kaidan is a bitch." Trust me, I've been here long enough to see this is a very very popular opinion. Kaidan is just as universally hated as Jacob. Well when you put it that way...that does sound like I'm speaking on behalf of them! I can't say what they think about him, all I can say is that no, I am not one of those fans that is ok with Garrus making insensitive comments back in ME1. Even said, "Seriously?! Not cool, Garrus, not cool!" When he spoke to Tali that way. That's why I explicitly remember that apology, because it was a long time coming. The entire recruitment mission had me going, "We REALLY need to have a discussion on what this Shepard spoke to you about back in ME1!". I'm fine with people hating him. I even am glad they have the option to keep him permanently off the team. But I will debate if I disagree with a specific reasoning. And one of those is that I disagree that Kaidan is hated as much as Jacob. Kaidan's popularity jumped high in ME3. His content outshines an unromanced Ashley. And Thane. And most ME2 romances in the vanilla game before Citadel came out. I've seen just as much often people say they left Ashley on Virmire because she's racist. Regardless of popularity, I still like the guy no matter what fans say about him and I wish to be respectful to the fans as well. So thank you as well for the courtesy.
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Post by Darth Dennis on Sept 14, 2016 15:24:38 GMT
The Citadel DLC wasn't very good beca...OW! Who threw that?
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Post by straykat on Sept 14, 2016 15:29:28 GMT
The Citadel DLC wasn't very good beca...OW! Who threw that? Well, I don't like the quest very much. But it helped some of us who missed ME2 characters. I don't know what the hell they were thinking.. trying to make the last game an ME1 throwback or something. It should've been a culmination of everything, like Citadel somewhat attempted.
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Post by aoibhealfae on Sept 14, 2016 16:05:52 GMT
I'm not criticizing this as such, except that a formula needs to be put aside once it has become stale. Rather, my primary point is this: In Bioware's SF, society is stagnant. There's really nothing that challenges the current state of the human condition, it's always assumed that things are more or less the same as they are today. Their stories feature some social issues, but apart from that they're deeply conservative, even reactionary at times. Those who would challenge the state of the human condition are usually portrayed as evil, or at the very least, misguided. That may be appropriate in fantasy, but it betrays the spirit of SF as I see it. Yes, ME3's EC endings are most notably not like that (and that's why I like them in spite of everything), but it took an outcry from tens of thousands of players to portray a future not dominated by the dark age and the Garden Eden "let's return to a more innocent pre-technological time and start anew" symbolism, and many people have recognized the fact that the EC endings don't really fit the story that came before. Thus, I maintain my criticism. With ME1, the ME trilogy started ambivalently with regard to this and featured a spirit of exploration and advancement I found very appealing, but even there the roots of what was to come were laid, in things like Vigil's statement that we didn't need to understand the Reapers, just to stop them. ME2 went full retard with its aesthetics but retained some ambivalence in its treatment of some common SF themes, and I highly appreciated the portrayal of Legion and the geth as being different but equally valid, but the stupid handling of the Collector Base decision, the dreadful "I just want to be normal" message in Miranda's plot and Shepard's abysmally stupid dialogue with Harbinger in Arrival foreshadowed how everything would come to be measured by the current human norm in ME3. Real change? Real divergencve? Oh no, that would be against nature (see Padok Wiks in the genophage plot, another mind-numbing stupidity I can't rant about enough). I might have appreciated the story for what it was had there been some in-depth handling of its themes, but instead everything was simplified to the point of stupidity. ME3's main message appeared to be "Yes, I'm stupid, but it doesn't matter because I'm human like you all are, and that's the greatest thing in the universe." *scoffs* OK, this has veered off course a little. Sorry about the rant, but here's the essence of it, another unpopular opinion: "The ME trilogy is reactionary and militaristic". Edit: As a little hint of what might have been, read this. Well, the "higher-paid" decided they wanted the MET to be more like fantasy, and so we ended up with a story that works on some levels and doesn't work on others, but which is definitely not good SF according to my standards. I think it was inevitable considering the game are structurally written around the gameplay by group of people. There's a slide in this GDC presentation where the level designer show a technical breakdown of a scene and list all that was involved. Make sense why there's a lot of creative differences in the course of the trilogy. Mass Effect trilogy itself was written within a confined narrative around Shepard, a special soldier with a focus on a big baddy, the worldbuilding are meant to be just environmental. I've mentioned somewhere in this forum about how the writers simply nitpick bits of themes from pop scifi and then try present some aspects without fully expanding it; the galactic politics, Organics vs Synthetics, varied sentience, transhumanism etc. But I assume this is intentional to find appeal in general market especially for an AAA series rather than the niche. I love genophage arc as it appeal to my science background. Probably the only thing that keep me interested in the series (although I count all digital scales and microscopes just to make it more science-y). The use of biological weapon to control and its devastating effect upon a species over an extended period of time, Mordin's ethical dilemma over his role of the genophage modification project and the decision for the future of a species, clinical biochemistry... sigh. But yes, Padok Wiks suddenly veering to evolutionism and pairing that with Synthesis does seem to come out of nowhere. However, it make more sense and tolerable to accept the series as a Space Opera rather than hard scifi. It have its potential to become something more though. My wishlist for MEA was to include more speculative fiction elements but I'm probably overreaching.
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Post by straykat on Sept 14, 2016 16:11:32 GMT
Wait, what's this about Padok and Synthesis? He was actually in my first ME3 run, but I forgot a lot about him. edit: LOL Damn the quoting on this board.
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Post by aoibhealfae on Sept 14, 2016 16:22:29 GMT
Wait, what's this about Padok and Synthesis? He was actually in my first ME3 run, but I forgot a lot about him. edit: LOL Damn the quoting on this board. Mordin have a redemption arc going on but Padok Wiks's motivation was less personal but more about evolutionary paradox, the power that be have a bigger plan for all. Synthesis carry similar theme but on a bigger scale. Now that you break the barrier between organics and synthetics, you're heading to a future of eternal peace and oneness of all... and transcendence!
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Post by HYR on Sept 14, 2016 16:23:43 GMT
-- TIM's eyes are not a sign of indoctrination. He was not indoctrinated by the Arca Monolith artifact, not indoctrinated until after Sanctuary when he gets the implant. I can prove this beyond reasonable doubt, too, so this is not really even an opinion. You'll have to explain that one. While TIM clearly wasn't under control of the Reapers until late in ME3, I think the events we know of suggest that there was some subtle Reaper influence in his mind ever since the encounter with the Arca Monolith. If you think otherwise, I'd like to see your evidence. You'll have to wait a bit. Stuck at Uni pretty much all day today, and I lost all of the posts I'd archived at BSN (quite a few of which covered this topic).
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Post by straykat on Sept 14, 2016 16:24:16 GMT
Wait, what's this about Padok and Synthesis? He was actually in my first ME3 run, but I forgot a lot about him. edit: LOL Damn the quoting on this board. Mordin have a redemption arc going on but Padok Wiks's motivation was less personal but more about evolutionary paradox, the power that be have a bigger plan for all. Synthesis carry similar theme but on a bigger scale. Now that you break the barrier between organics and synthetics, you're heading to a future of eternal peace and oneness of all... and transcendence! Eww. Must've blocked that out of my mind. I have nothing against peace and transcendence. But it starts on a personal basis. This is just Marxism, wrapped up in pseudo-science.
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Post by aoibhealfae on Sept 14, 2016 16:35:49 GMT
Eww. Must've blocked that out of my mind. I have nothing against peace and transcendence. But it starts on a personal basis. This is just Marxism, wrapped up in pseudo-science. It was my first ME3 ending too. It goes fully into Matrix Revolution territory and I'm not worthy enough to understand.
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Post by straykat on Sept 14, 2016 16:46:43 GMT
Eww. Must've blocked that out of my mind. I have nothing against peace and transcendence. But it starts on a personal basis. This is just Marxism, wrapped up in pseudo-science. It was my first ME3 ending too. It goes fully into Matrix Revolution territory and I'm not worthy enough to understand. Poor Neo. He was so much cooler as a disheveled hacker.
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Post by Ieldra on Sept 14, 2016 18:46:12 GMT
I have nothing against peace and transcendence. But it starts on a personal basis. That's why I said Synthesis betrays the spirit of its main theme even as it intends to embrace it. I attempted to mitigate that in my interpretations, but while I like the future it presents, how we got there leaves a bad taste in my mouth.
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Post by straykat on Sept 14, 2016 23:57:25 GMT
I have nothing against peace and transcendence. But it starts on a personal basis. That's why I said Synthesis betrays the spirit of its main theme even as it intends to embrace it. I attempted to mitigate that in my interpretations, but while I like the future it presents, how we got there leaves a bad taste in my mouth. It's the hallmark of all utopias (I shouldn't just say Marx). Time and individuals become some nebulous thing. It's an end to history. The Asari have been preaching it all along though. "Embrace eternity!" *proceeds to shoot Shiala*
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