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Post by aoibhealfae on Dec 6, 2017 16:09:55 GMT
Asari hoard a fifty thousands years old prothean VI that helped their society advanced longer than anyone else and should know of the reapers existence. Salarian create genocide viruses and performs unethical experiments on various species to justify their own interest. Turians created its own governance of military dictatorship upon its entire species with compulsory military service to retain their citizenship. Krogan nuke each other to oblivion, refused to compromise and got sterilized. Quarians are the most technological advance species as old as the batarians except they screwed up by creating the geth and by being so isolationist that the entire species became immunocompromised in a couple of generations. Humanity is just like every other species trying to survive.
Much of humanity's technological advances came from the prothean ruins on mars.... and in ME2, you're surrounded by human supremacists who have cyanide pills with their own superiority complex and agenda about humanity and they bragged the shit out of their accomplishments which only extends to Lazarus project... And what about this superior genes? Asari and Krogans are practically immortals. Mordin only say humanity have enough genetic variance to be made into convenient lab rats.... reapers only became interested in humanity because of Shepard.. and they're already the first to be reaped enmasse. Shepard is a person who have the potential to affect the events of the galaxy. And the only Sue is you... only if you want to.
If you want to be pro-Aliens as possible, Ryder is best for that. As Pathfinder of Nexus, Ryder's power and influence wasn't restricted or reserved to just favor humanity. Shepard never have that luxury.
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Post by Vortex13 on Dec 6, 2017 16:44:01 GMT
Asari hoard a fifty thousands years old prothean VI that helped their society advanced longer than anyone else and should know of the reapers existence. Salarian create genocide viruses and performs unethical experiments on various species to justify their own interest. Turians created its own governance of military dictatorship upon its entire species with compulsory military service to retain their citizenship. Krogan nuke each other to oblivion, refused to compromise and got sterilized. Quarians are the most technological advance species as old as the batarians except they screwed up by creating the geth and by being so isolationist that the entire species became immunocompromised in a couple of generations. Humanity is just like every other species trying to survive. Much of humanity's technological advances came from the prothean ruins on mars.... and in ME2, you're surrounded by human supremacists who have cyanide pills with their own superiority complex and agenda about humanity and they bragged the shit out of their accomplishments which only extends to Lazarus project... And what about this superior genes? Asari and Krogans are practically immortals. Mordin only say humanity have enough genetic variance to be made into convenient lab rats.... reapers only became interested in humanity because of Shepard.. and they're already the first to be reaped enmasse. Shepard is a person who have the potential to affect the events of the galaxy. And the only Sue is you... only if you want to. If you want to be pro-Aliens as possible, Ryder is best for that. As Pathfinder of Nexus, Ryder's power and influence wasn't restricted or reserved to just favor humanity. Shepard never have that luxury. The Asari should be held accountable for their ignoring of their own laws. The Salarians are morally dubious with their experiments true, but no one was exactly complaining when they recruited the Krogan to fight the Rachni. I wouldn't really call the Turian Hegemony a military dictatorship like it was a bad thing, after all it was their staunch adherence to military discipline that allowed their population to weather an assault by the Reapers that was worse than anything the Humans or Asari had to deal with on their home worlds combined; plus required military service for citizenship would certainly make people appreciate said citizenship more. You're right about the Krogan, they're barbaric savages that brought the Genocide on themselves. And the Quarians' isolation is because the rest of the galaxy cast them out due to the Morning War. They wanted to settle new worlds, to reintegrate with galactic society, but the Council refused; under threat of violence in a couple of cases. None of the other aliens are perfect, and most resort to lying or cheating to gain an advantage. In other words, they're rounded; to a degree. Humanity on the other hand is the golden child of the setting. They aren't screwing the other species out of resources or planets, and any dubious, morally dark grey actions thrown in Cerberus' lap. To put it another way, humanity is 'better' than everyone else, and they are excelling with their "high road" tactics despite the other species resorting to the aforementioned lying and cheating; something quite common in Mary Sue characters. As for the genetic diversity, its more than simple laboratory control groups. Mordin explains how humans, unlike the other aliens, have the potential to excel in any field. Genetically, (at least according to the "science" of Mass Effect) a human can become a master tactician, a renowned scientist, or a successful business owner, while species like the Turians and Volus are locked into a limited niche of potential skills and abilities thanks to their lackluster gene pool. It's also implied that while races like the Asari and Krogan might live longer, humanity is far more capable of adapting to change and is darwinistically superior to all other forms of life in the galaxy. And it's not about being pro-Alien per say. It's about humanity being inordinately "better" than all the other species in all other areas. We're better tacticians than the Turians. Better Scientists than the Salarians. Better businessmen than the Volus. Better Biotics than the Asari. Etc. And everyone defers to our leadership in times of crisis. Even in Andromeda humanity is the strongest of the species that traveled there; indeed it was our superior intellect and ingenuity that made the trip possible in the first place.
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Post by themikefest on Dec 6, 2017 17:44:31 GMT
Humanity is better at everything. We have a better looking homeworld we're a better looking species we have better food better clothing better entertainment. better vacation spots better sports So yeah, humanity is better at everything. Why have an alien do something when a human can do it better? humanity #1
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Post by Vortex13 on Dec 6, 2017 18:24:26 GMT
Humanity is better at everything. We have a better looking homeworld we're a better looking species we have better food better clothing better entertainment. better vacation spots better sports So yeah, humanity is better at everything. Why have an alien do something when a human can do it better? humanity #1 Which makes me wonder why we even bother having aliens in the setting at all some times.
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Post by davesin on Dec 6, 2017 20:39:37 GMT
Humanity is better at everything. We have a better looking homeworld we're a better looking species we have better food better clothing better entertainment. better vacation spots better sports So yeah, humanity is better at everything. Why have an alien do something when a human can do it better? humanity #1 Which makes me wonder why we even bother having aliens in the setting at all some times. Precisely - they're even appropriating our culture! Elcor playing Hamlet, Samara the samurai... and list of references goes on!
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Post by tacsear on Dec 6, 2017 22:01:37 GMT
Humanity is better at everything. We have a better looking homeworld we're a better looking species we have better food better clothing better entertainment. better vacation spots better sports So yeah, humanity is better at everything. Why have an alien do something when a human can do it better? humanity #1 Thessia>Earth
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Post by themikefest on Dec 6, 2017 22:32:14 GMT
Not according to the asari councilor and whoever else knew about the artifact on the planet. If they cared, they would have revealed the artifact earlier.
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Post by Ahriman on Dec 7, 2017 10:48:01 GMT
We're over here making AIs like S.A.M, all the while thumbing our noses at the Council, while races like the Quarians were practically ostracized from galactic society for accidentally creating AI. c diversity'. The rest of your post aside, this one isn't really true. Sam development was illegal right from the start and Alliance had to sweep it under the carpet with haste the moment they heard about it, because of Council restrictions. Later on it's not human project anymore and it still was kept secret. If you want to be pro-Aliens as possible, Ryder is best for that. As Pathfinder of Nexus, Ryder's power and influence wasn't restricted or reserved to just favor humanity. Shepard never have that luxury. I'd disagree. Shepard can go full "love you, guys, and the rest of the Alliance, but I'm Council's guy now so leave me be" if desired, heck, final ME1 choice is all about that. Ryder however never had the option to state whether they are Human or Nexus Pathfinder. The only species-related choice is between krogans and salarians, while humans were most numerous MW species in Heleus at the start of the game. And I personally find it less valuable if I have no choice on the matter, whether I agree with a notion or not.
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Post by Vortex13 on Dec 7, 2017 14:30:15 GMT
We're over here making AIs like S.A.M, all the while thumbing our noses at the Council, while races like the Quarians were practically ostracized from galactic society for accidentally creating AI. The rest of your post aside, this one isn't really true. Sam development was illegal right from the start and Alliance had to sweep it under the carpet with haste the moment they heard about it, because of Council restrictions. Later on it's not human project anymore and it still was kept secret. Sure SAM is kept secret, right up until the Council getting involved, at which point Daddy Ryder and the still human-lead Initiative go: "Oh by the way, here's a fully integrated, self-aware, and highly illegal AI system that we have been developing, with the Alliance's knowledge, that will be running all vital systems on your various arks while you are all in cryo-sleep. Also we are expecting your species' pathfinders to plug said AI into their brains so as to better operate on the ground while in Andromeda."Any other alien race would have been politically and socially crucified for such AI development, especially with the whole proto-synthesis aspect to it. Instead, all the other races merely hang their heads, snap their fingers, and go "Oh shucks" before going along with it, no questions asked. Even if you were to excuse the people on board for the Initiative overlooking such flagrant disregard for Council laws, there is no way that humanity and the Alliance back in the Milky Way wouldn't have been hit with a heavy barrage of sanctions and embargoes from the Council. The Quarians were virtually exiled from the rest of galactic society because VI networks uncontrollably, and spontaneously developed into swarm AI, but humanity gets a pat on the back for specifically creating an AI that was designed to interface with organics and control their bodies (to an extent) in combat.
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Post by Ahriman on Dec 7, 2017 14:54:46 GMT
The rest of your post aside, this one isn't really true. Sam development was illegal right from the start and Alliance had to sweep it under the carpet with haste the moment they heard about it, because of Council restrictions. Later on it's not human project anymore and it still was kept secret. Sure SAM is kept secret, right up until the Council getting involved, at which point Daddy Ryder and the still human-lead Initiative go: "Oh by the way, here's a fully integrated, self-aware, and highly illegal AI system that we have been developing, with the Alliance's knowledge, that will be running all vital systems on your various arks while you are all in cryo-sleep. Also we are expecting your species' pathfinders to plug said AI into their brains so as to better operate on the ground while in Andromeda."Wait wait, when did this happen?
Let's not pretend that Jien is the boss there. Benefactor technically can be human, but since it'll stay a secret forever, there is no point calling it human project.
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Post by Vortex13 on Dec 7, 2017 15:16:34 GMT
Sure SAM is kept secret, right up until the Council getting involved, at which point Daddy Ryder and the still human-lead Initiative go: "Oh by the way, here's a fully integrated, self-aware, and highly illegal AI system that we have been developing, with the Alliance's knowledge, that will be running all vital systems on your various arks while you are all in cryo-sleep. Also we are expecting your species' pathfinders to plug said AI into their brains so as to better operate on the ground while in Andromeda."Wait wait, when did this happen? Let's not pretend that Jien is the boss there. Benefactor technically can be human, but since it'll stay a secret forever, there is no point calling it human project.
When the other species were brought on board with the project and as such were brought up to speed on what to expect with the Initiative. It's not like Ryder and Jien could have kept all the other aliens, especially their pathfinders, in the dark once they were included in the project. And I would also imagine that there had to be some sort of orientation seminar or instructional video explaining what SAM is and what it's supposed to do. Word about what was being done with AI research and development was going to get back to the other races' governments one way or another. And the Benefactor only supplied the funds necessary for the project, all the direction and innovations created for it were human inspired. Plus the whole public side of things was plastered with humanity and an Alliance partnership anyway, so even if some mysterious overlord was pulling the strings everyone else would see the Initiative as a human endeavor. EDIT: There's a definite narrative dissonance when the series approaches the topic of AI creation wherein humanity get's a free pass. For example, most interactions other species have with Quarians can be summed up with: "You dirty suit rat, you created the Geth! How could you be so foolish?" Whereas with humans like Ryder its more like "Oh yeah, you're quite the visionary with your little invention aren't you?"
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Post by Ahriman on Dec 8, 2017 6:29:11 GMT
Wait wait, when did this happen? Let's not pretend that Jien is the boss there. Benefactor technically can be human, but since it'll stay a secret forever, there is no point calling it human project.
When the other species were brought on board with the project and as such were brought up to speed on what to expect with the Initiative. It's not like Ryder and Jien could have kept all the other aliens, especially their pathfinders, in the dark once they were included in the project. And I would also imagine that there had to be some sort of orientation seminar or instructional video explaining what SAM is and what it's supposed to do. Word about what was being done with AI research and development was going to get back to the other races' governments one way or another. And the Benefactor only supplied the funds necessary for the project, all the direction and innovations created for it were human inspired. No, it was Benefactor who recruited Alec. Promising both funds and missing technology pieces. Jien herself admits she wouldn't make it alone despite initial ambitions.
Ok, now you are just talking about in-game ads intended for human audience. So telling how it's "human plastered" is just silly. And what is this Alliance partnership? Future pathfinders weren't in the dark obviously, but the rest didn't need to know. It's not that hard keep a handful of personnel silent. Kandros was sent by Hierarchy and he didn't know a thing about this. Main problem of quarians is that they failed. They not just created an AI, they lost the war with it and Council got hostile AI nation on it's border. If they managed to put things under control it would be whole different story. Council would drown them in fines, but they wouldn't be outcasts.
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Post by dmc1001 on Dec 8, 2017 7:16:05 GMT
Main problem of quarians is that they failed. They not just created an AI, they lost the war with it and Council got hostile AI nation on it's border. If they managed to put things under control it would be whole different story. Council would drown them in fines, but they wouldn't be outcasts. I tend to agree. Humans were working on AI in Mass Effect: Revelation. And despite what Hackett claims, humanity was clearly working on an AI on Luna during or just prior to ME1 - an AI which was used to eventually create EDI. But this stuff was done in secret or, in the case of the Andromeda Initiative (worst shorthand ever, since it makes this discussion confusing), by people who were leaving Council space. So if they were leaving, it wasn't any business of the Council's, or at least they had more important concerns. That said, wasn't Alec Ryder removed from the Alliance for his work on AI?
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Post by Ahriman on Dec 8, 2017 7:59:21 GMT
Main problem of quarians is that they failed. They not just created an AI, they lost the war with it and Council got hostile AI nation on it's border. If they managed to put things under control it would be whole different story. Council would drown them in fines, but they wouldn't be outcasts. That said, wasn't Alec Ryder removed from the Alliance for his work on AI? He was. There are some details about it in latest book, but they aren't relevant in Andromeda anyway.
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Post by Vortex13 on Dec 8, 2017 15:27:27 GMT
When the other species were brought on board with the project and as such were brought up to speed on what to expect with the Initiative. It's not like Ryder and Jien could have kept all the other aliens, especially their pathfinders, in the dark once they were included in the project. And I would also imagine that there had to be some sort of orientation seminar or instructional video explaining what SAM is and what it's supposed to do. Word about what was being done with AI research and development was going to get back to the other races' governments one way or another. And the Benefactor only supplied the funds necessary for the project, all the direction and innovations created for it were human inspired. No, it was Benefactor who recruited Alec. Promising both funds and missing technology pieces. Jien herself admits she wouldn't make it alone despite initial ambitions.
Ok, now you are just talking about in-game ads intended for human audience. So telling how it's "human plastered" is just silly. And what is this Alliance partnership? Future pathfinders weren't in the dark obviously, but the rest didn't need to know. It's not that hard keep a handful of personnel silent. Kandros was sent by Hierarchy and he didn't know a thing about this. Main problem of quarians is that they failed. They not just created an AI, they lost the war with it and Council got hostile AI nation on it's border. If they managed to put things under control it would be whole different story. Council would drown them in fines, but they wouldn't be outcasts. What I mean is that the Benefactor was only there to provide the means for the Initiative to get off the ground, he/she/it didn't have a direct say-so in the minute details of the project nor in how it was presented to the public. What happened with Jien after the Nexus and Arks arrived in Andromeda was a different matter, granted, but during the planning and pre-production phases all the mysterious figure did was grant the necessary resources for the project; with the stipulation that Jien and/or Alec would have to do something to return the favor at a later date. I mean, it's not like the Benefactor intentionally had Jien, Alec and other project leads to leave the Nexus, Arks, Tempest, and Nomad completely without weapons and totally at the mercy of whatever alien civilization the Initiative may encounter in Andromeda. No, that (rather stupid) decision was completely left up to them. And if the Benefactor was that slack in overall direction and micromanagement when it came to the very vital element of defensive armaments than I am sure that he/she/it had no overt influence in Alec Ryder's work with SAM, or the general presentation of the project; which was a very human endeavor. As for the Initiative/Alliance partnership and general human focused nature of the Initiative project I am not talking about the advertisements and recruitment commercials, I am referring to the very obvious support this project had from the Alliance military. Things like caches of Alliance-made weapons being bought in bulk for discount prices, to a great deal of the project's security personnel for the Nexus (the ruling body of government for the Initiative once they arrive in Andromeda) being recruited from Alliance or former Alliance ranks; moronic choices for security chiefs notwithstanding. As for the human focused nature of the project, the ODDESY drives, the Arks, the Nexus, SAM etc. was all proprietary human inventions. Sure the other aliens helped in construction, and some level of funding, but everything was based of a series of human inventions; and all they got out of it was a seat for the trip anyways. As things were presented, it was rather transparent that the Initiative was intending for the project, and eventual Andromeda based society, to be human run; what with Jien being the de-facto ruler, and humans having an inordinately larger presence than the other races when looking at their numbers stationed on both the Nexus and human Ark. Obviously the events at the beginning of the game throw a big monkey wrench into those plans, but if things would have gone off without a hitch humans would have held the majority of power and personnel within the Initiative government. Ergo the project was very much a human endeavor, even when they got the other major races on board. And for keeping things in the dark, sure the Pathfinders might be the only ones with a need-to-know knowledge of what something like SAM entails but how is that any guarantee that said information would not still be leaked; especially considering the radical nature of it all? The galaxy is already cautious of AI in general, and yet here is some human telling them that not only has he invented a highly illegal AI, but he is also expecting them to plug this thing into their brains and allow it to control their non-volunatry biological systems (cardiovascular, respiratory, etc) while on the ground? Other than copious amounts of narrative contrivance and an ungodly application of plot armor there is no way that would have gone over well; especially if you consider that one the Turian Pathfinders was a Spectre, and that one of the others was a Quarian. If any other species in this setting tried this there would be whistle blowers crawling out of the woodwork before the orientation video was halfway finished, but humans get a pass for… reasons.
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Post by Vortex13 on Dec 8, 2017 15:59:53 GMT
Main problem of quarians is that they failed. They not just created an AI, they lost the war with it and Council got hostile AI nation on it's border. If they managed to put things under control it would be whole different story. Council would drown them in fines, but they wouldn't be outcasts. I tend to agree. Humans were working on AI in Mass Effect: Revelation. And despite what Hackett claims, humanity was clearly working on an AI on Luna during or just prior to ME1 - an AI which was used to eventually create EDI. But this stuff was done in secret or, in the case of the Andromeda Initiative (worst shorthand ever, since it makes this discussion confusing), by people who were leaving Council space. So if they were leaving, it wasn't any business of the Council's, or at least they had more important concerns. That said, wasn't Alec Ryder removed from the Alliance for his work on AI? Oh yeah, I completely forgot about the Luna VI; let's be real though, it was a proto-AI at the very least; as well as their projects in the books. If you count SAM, that's three whole times humans have flat out ignored Council Laws regarding AI research and development, and not once does any of that result with them facing repercussions from the Council; no sanctions or hefty fines being levied at them, not even a whiff of external investigations into our activities. You would think that actions like the disregarding of laws regarding genetic tampering (Medi-gel) and AI research, or even the very real ties to Cerberus, what with them being a former Alliance black ops cell and all, would leave humanity under heavy scrutiny from the rest of the galaxy, but no we're completely free of reprisals; we're even allowed to become richer than Volus mega-corps with our medi-gel sales and not a Council taxation or fine to be seen. Yet more evidence to support my initial claim, that humanity never needed some crusading hero fighting for their behalf in order to secure more power or respect. We are already the Mary Sue of the setting. Everything we touch turns to gold, and we can get away with things that other races are raked over the proverbial coals for; being congratulated and patted on the back while we do it.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 8, 2017 23:54:28 GMT
I don't care about squads. I appreciate that in ME games I can largely ignore them (unlike in DA where they're more important). I don't mind that I can't use squad powers in ME:A, because to be honest I don't give a shit. I'm glad if I don't have to bother.
Saying this makes me feel like some stereotypical shooter player who lacks the intelligence/sophistication. But I just like to concentrate on what I am doing.
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Post by Vortex13 on Dec 11, 2017 19:09:53 GMT
The Rachni and the Thorian should have featured much more heavily throughout the story. An alien species virtually immune to indoctrination, and another that can cure it?
These two should have been top of the list on allies to recruit to fight the Reapers seeing as how their greatest weapon was indoctrination. No need to fear picking apart Reaper corpses with a Rachni detail and a Thorian-enthralled managerial crew. The galaxy could have been reverse engineering Reaper tech right and left with allies/assets like that.
It was already criminal at how little time the narrative devoted to the more 'alien' aliens but it was a real shame that two of the galaxy's best methods of completely bypassing the enemies' mind control magic were sidelined and/or flat out ignored.
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Post by dmc1001 on Dec 11, 2017 22:45:17 GMT
The Rachni and the Thorian should have featured much more heavily throughout the story. An alien species virtually immune to indoctrination, and another that can cure it? These two should have been top of the list on allies to recruit to fight the Reapers seeing as how their greatest weapon was indoctrination. No need to fear picking apart Reaper corpses with a Rachni detail and a Thorian-enthralled managerial crew. The galaxy could have been reverse engineering Reaper tech right and left with allies/assets like that. It was already criminal at how little time the narrative devoted to the more 'alien' aliens but it was a real shame that two of the galaxy's best methods of completely bypassing the enemies' mind control magic were sidelined and/or flat out ignored. The Rachni are pretty vulnerable to the "sour song". It's unclear if that came from the Leviathan or the Reapers but I wouldn't be surprised if both were capable. Regardless, the Rachni are not the ones to trust when it comes to fighting Reapers. As for the Thorian, it believes "meat" is worth nothing more than slaves or fertilizer. Not seeing how it would be a useful ally. Now, if ExoGeni research was involved that would be another story.
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Post by Vortex13 on Dec 12, 2017 16:00:15 GMT
The Rachni and the Thorian should have featured much more heavily throughout the story. An alien species virtually immune to indoctrination, and another that can cure it? These two should have been top of the list on allies to recruit to fight the Reapers seeing as how their greatest weapon was indoctrination. No need to fear picking apart Reaper corpses with a Rachni detail and a Thorian-enthralled managerial crew. The galaxy could have been reverse engineering Reaper tech right and left with allies/assets like that. It was already criminal at how little time the narrative devoted to the more 'alien' aliens but it was a real shame that two of the galaxy's best methods of completely bypassing the enemies' mind control magic were sidelined and/or flat out ignored. The Rachni are pretty vulnerable to the "sour song". It's unclear if that came from the Leviathan or the Reapers but I wouldn't be surprised if both were capable. Regardless, the Rachni are not the ones to trust when it comes to fighting Reapers. As for the Thorian, it believes "meat" is worth nothing more than slaves or fertilizer. Not seeing how it would be a useful ally. Now, if ExoGeni research was involved that would be another story. Actually, circumstantial evidence points to Reapers being incapable of controlling the Rachni; short of individually husk-ifiying every single one of them. For starters, there's the whole Ravenger scenario in Mass Effect 3. Why would the Reapers waste time and effort individually converting Rachni troops, creating obvious pawns in the process; that even the most basic of laymen could assume the allegiance of; when it would have been far more efficient, not to mention subversive, to just break the Queen and have her direct the brood to attack allied targets? It would be especially devastating to Shepards who were expecting Rachni aid to have indoctrinated Brood Warriors arrive and then attack the galaxy's combined forces from the rear when they were least expecting it than to just charge in with obvious Reaper husks which can easily be distinguished as hostile. Now why would the Reapers need to keep the Queen, or their frankenstein-ian creation, physically restrained if they could have just controlled Rachni brains like any other species? All the way back in ME 1, we saw Salarian soldiers reduced to gibbering, violent lunatics after only just a week of exposure to Sovereign, yet the Rachni Queen has been held captive by the Reapers for at least six months and she still possesses all of her mental faculties. Why would the Reapers leave such an obviously resisting prisoner with their free will intact, especially if they were only interested in said prisoner as a literal baby factory? Does one really need higher level thought processes in order to squeeze out offspring? The fact that the Reapers didn't reduce the Queen's brain to mush, and kept her chained up would point to them being unable to indoctrinate her and then, through her, control her children. At the very least we can assume that the Rachni have an incredible resistance (if not flat out immunity) to Reaper indoctrination compared to other species of the galaxy. Enough so that it renders the metal-Cuthulu's most powerful and insidious weapon a moot point. Mini-point about the Leviathans: In their DLC the Rachni are specifically mentioned living in areas of space occupied by the Leviathans, or their orbs, so evidence points to them being the "sour yellow note" behind the Rachni Wars, not the Reapers. This hypothesis is further strengthened when you compare how much more potent the Leviathan's mental control of organics is compared to the Reapers; like a focused gamma ray burst versus constant low-level radiation if you'll use the analogy. Leviathans have been shown to be able to take immediate and total control of organic minds on a whim; even resident Space Jesus Shepard was mentally dominated by them instantly upon meeting them. Moving on to the Thorian, sure it might not see much of a use for "meat" outside of tools or fertilizer but then again the codex and background lore also mentioned that it cared for said tools not unlike a professional carpenter who wants his equipment to function properly. It's a bit calloused to think about, but the Thorian doesn't actively want to caused pain and galactic genocide to organics like the Reapers do; and actually lets it's thralls live a facsimile of normal life when they aren't needed. Certainly light years better than being slurpee-ed into Reaper jelly at any rate. But aside from that, the Thorian was obviously intelligent and was even willing to negotiate with organics like Saren before it was ultimately betrayed, so who's to say that it couldn't have been approached with an ultimatum of alliance from the galaxy? A kind of: "We need to work together to stop the Reapers or you will be killed like the rest of us" proclamation? Shepard has been making speeches like that all throughout the trilogy, so it's not like such an exchange would be out of the ordinary. Whats' more, such an interaction would be true. The only reason the Thorian survived was because the Reapers missed it during the last cycle, who's to say it would be so lucky again? Out of the interests of self preservation alone the Thorian should have been willing to work with the allied galaxy once the Reapers arrived in force. As for the corporations like Exo-Geni I'm with you there. They seemed to just cease to be a thing in the setting after the first game, and are only briefly mentioned in passing in ME 3. Why wouldn't samples of the Thorain be kept on file? Why didn't DNA records of the Rachni Queen from her time at Peak 15 show up again? Etc.
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Post by boxofscreaming on Dec 14, 2017 22:53:44 GMT
Wrex should succeed in his attempt to kill Shepard if you sabotage the genophage cure.
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Post by dmc1001 on Dec 15, 2017 4:48:21 GMT
Wrex should succeed in his attempt to kill Shepard if you sabotage the genophage cure. There's some merit to this. I wouldn't have this a direct kill, since that's just a game over way too late in the game from the action that led to it. Instead, maybe a grave injury that makes it impossible to survive the ending, regardless of war assets or ending chosen. Also, maybe the Earth suffers more due to lack of krogan presence. That could make people rethink their replays.
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Post by nougat on Dec 15, 2017 13:01:43 GMT
Hmm, so unwearying guilt-tripping, brutal confrontation and Wrex withdrawing all his war assets (405 points) is not enough punishment, is it? How about Shepard or the Crucible or the Earth being penalized for refusing the Dalatrass deal? That could make people think.
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Post by themikefest on Dec 15, 2017 13:17:07 GMT
Wrex is able to kill Shepard on the Citadel? No
How about removing that scene? Instead of Wrex going after Shepard, he uses that information to his advantage? That can't happen because he's stupid. He would have been better off waiting after the reapers are destroyed, if they're destroyed, to confront the council with the audio file. He can claim he kept his part of the deal while Shepard didn't. He would be in a position to demand almost anything. Of course it would be up to the council to decide what would happen.
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Post by Vortex13 on Dec 15, 2017 14:01:39 GMT
Wrex can kill Shepard only if every single time he/she betrays someone, or backs out on his/her word, the player is given a game over screen.
Side with Morianth? Game over
Side with Samara? Game over
Side with the Quarians? Game over
Side with the Geth? Game over
Etc.
Wrex and the Krogan shouldn't get any special treatment over any of the other choices in the game. Plus, like others have said, the game is already biased in favor of the Krogan anyways and does everything short of actually calling the player a racist asshole for daring to sabotage the cure.
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